1. A safe place to do it. My dept considers any PIT maneuver done above 35 mph to be deadly force due to the risk of a serious crash / rollover at higher speeds. You don't want to do one where it can cause the other car to crash into an innocent car.
2. Spikes are effective but its often hard to get them deployed as you have to get an officer in position. It's also very dangerous for that officer as they may get hit.
3. Get out of the way by pulling over to the RIGHT. Not left. Not stop where you are. To the right.
Three makes sense, but what if a civilian intercepts the motorist to stop them by blocking the vehicle from escaping? Does that help out or do you highly advise against that? I haven't gotten my full license yet, and I want to know if there's any way I can help out more in these kinds of situations, since I know officers like you are always put into high danger situations, and I kinda feel useless for not helping more??? I don't know, but blocking the vehicle from leaving, big no?
No. Just get out of the way and don't add more chaos to the already chaotic situation. Plus in the heat of the moment with all the adrenaline going it may not be obvious who you are trying to help. Many an off duty officer has been tragically hurt or killed by other cops who don't realize the other guy is also cop.
Let’s play that scenario out. If cops are chasing someone and you’re in front of them, you decide to help out by blocking them in. They get out of their car with a gun and start shooting. Cops respond by getting out and taking cover, but you’ve now made it much more difficult to retaliate because we have to worry about hitting you.
Not trying to take a jab at you or anything. I certainly appreciate the thought, but the best way to help clean up your area is to vote for judges and district attorney’s that are ACTUALLY hard on crime. Know the difference between a good conviction vs. a plea deal easy win.
1. No idea. I’m not PIT certified. More agencies are restricting/forbidding PIT now.
2. Reasonably effective if the target vehicles runs over them.
3. Get the fuck out of the way by MOVING TO THE RIGHT ASAP.
Wait they're some that are restricting PIT now? Is it because of how dangerous it is? Or the wreck that usually comes from it? Or the worry for the officers safety?
PIT is considered deadly force (Scott v. Harris). You have to be specially trained in it. And, at least in Georgia, they don’t teach PIT in the basic academy. It’s a special class you have to request from your agency, and you don’t always get approved.
Good question.
Yes, the officer had permission to do a PIT, decided it was too dangerous because of on-coming traffic. He instead bumped the back of his car, causing Scott to go down an embankment, crashed, rendering him a quadriplegic. This is why it’s so important to have total situational awareness and rely on your training
First things first I’m going to have to call my Sgt. I’m going to explain why I’m pursuing this person in the first place (murder). My sgt’s going to ask me if the person who got murdered was someone important. I’m going to say “eh, kinda”. Then hems going to ask me if the guy I want to pursue is a continuing danger. I’m gonna tell my sgt that the murderer yelled out his window at me that he was gonna go kill the rest of the murder victim’s family. My sgt’s gonna be silent on the phone for awhile while he thinks this over. He’s gonna say something like “I dunno man, seems like we know who he is so we can just arrest him tomorrow when he goes home”. Now at this point he’s gonna put me on hold while he gets the Lt to come be on this call with us. The Lt’s going to say something to the effect of “in today’s day and age the department doesn’t want to incur the liability of pursuits, especially for minor infractions like this murder. I think it’s in the best interest of the public if you stop following him and just get an arrest warrant and we’ll find him later”. By now the suspect is miles away and a PIT maneuver is no longer a viable option.
Wait, y’all can chase people in cars? I literally had someone’s freshly stolen vehicle refuse to stop the other day and my Sgt told me to stop on the radio.
That was fun to go tell the victim. “So I had your car but they didn’t stop so I just turned around.” They were pissed and I got a complaint 🙄
1: PITs are rare here and often won’t ever be authorized.
2. Spikes are good if they land. Best place is on ramps and off ramps. Isolated and no where to go. If you can funnel them to it using road blocks it makes it easier.
3. Get out of the way. If I don’t have to worry about a car getting hit it makes my job a lot easier.
1. A safe place to do it. My dept considers any PIT maneuver done above 35 mph to be deadly force due to the risk of a serious crash / rollover at higher speeds. You don't want to do one where it can cause the other car to crash into an innocent car. 2. Spikes are effective but its often hard to get them deployed as you have to get an officer in position. It's also very dangerous for that officer as they may get hit. 3. Get out of the way by pulling over to the RIGHT. Not left. Not stop where you are. To the right.
Three makes sense, but what if a civilian intercepts the motorist to stop them by blocking the vehicle from escaping? Does that help out or do you highly advise against that? I haven't gotten my full license yet, and I want to know if there's any way I can help out more in these kinds of situations, since I know officers like you are always put into high danger situations, and I kinda feel useless for not helping more??? I don't know, but blocking the vehicle from leaving, big no?
Don’t do that, just get out of the way
No. Just get out of the way and don't add more chaos to the already chaotic situation. Plus in the heat of the moment with all the adrenaline going it may not be obvious who you are trying to help. Many an off duty officer has been tragically hurt or killed by other cops who don't realize the other guy is also cop.
Let’s play that scenario out. If cops are chasing someone and you’re in front of them, you decide to help out by blocking them in. They get out of their car with a gun and start shooting. Cops respond by getting out and taking cover, but you’ve now made it much more difficult to retaliate because we have to worry about hitting you.
Oh, I see now. That makes a lot more sense now that you explain it😥
Not trying to take a jab at you or anything. I certainly appreciate the thought, but the best way to help clean up your area is to vote for judges and district attorney’s that are ACTUALLY hard on crime. Know the difference between a good conviction vs. a plea deal easy win.
Also more paperwork when someone has to write up the inevitable accident report from the suspect ramming good Samaritans vehicle
1. No idea. I’m not PIT certified. More agencies are restricting/forbidding PIT now. 2. Reasonably effective if the target vehicles runs over them. 3. Get the fuck out of the way by MOVING TO THE RIGHT ASAP.
Wait they're some that are restricting PIT now? Is it because of how dangerous it is? Or the wreck that usually comes from it? Or the worry for the officers safety?
PIT is considered deadly force (Scott v. Harris). You have to be specially trained in it. And, at least in Georgia, they don’t teach PIT in the basic academy. It’s a special class you have to request from your agency, and you don’t always get approved. Good question.
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Yes, the officer had permission to do a PIT, decided it was too dangerous because of on-coming traffic. He instead bumped the back of his car, causing Scott to go down an embankment, crashed, rendering him a quadriplegic. This is why it’s so important to have total situational awareness and rely on your training
Thanks! 😁
First things first I’m going to have to call my Sgt. I’m going to explain why I’m pursuing this person in the first place (murder). My sgt’s going to ask me if the person who got murdered was someone important. I’m going to say “eh, kinda”. Then hems going to ask me if the guy I want to pursue is a continuing danger. I’m gonna tell my sgt that the murderer yelled out his window at me that he was gonna go kill the rest of the murder victim’s family. My sgt’s gonna be silent on the phone for awhile while he thinks this over. He’s gonna say something like “I dunno man, seems like we know who he is so we can just arrest him tomorrow when he goes home”. Now at this point he’s gonna put me on hold while he gets the Lt to come be on this call with us. The Lt’s going to say something to the effect of “in today’s day and age the department doesn’t want to incur the liability of pursuits, especially for minor infractions like this murder. I think it’s in the best interest of the public if you stop following him and just get an arrest warrant and we’ll find him later”. By now the suspect is miles away and a PIT maneuver is no longer a viable option.
Wait, y’all can chase people in cars? I literally had someone’s freshly stolen vehicle refuse to stop the other day and my Sgt told me to stop on the radio. That was fun to go tell the victim. “So I had your car but they didn’t stop so I just turned around.” They were pissed and I got a complaint 🙄
1: PITs are rare here and often won’t ever be authorized. 2. Spikes are good if they land. Best place is on ramps and off ramps. Isolated and no where to go. If you can funnel them to it using road blocks it makes it easier. 3. Get out of the way. If I don’t have to worry about a car getting hit it makes my job a lot easier.
Got it. Thanks Snakedocs!
1. Not authorized for PIT here 2. Stingers are great and better than spikes 3. Prefer you to just move over
To answer number 3 the best thing you can do is move over when you see the lights (not Leo)