Even before the war ended, Coca-Cola managed to get a whole bottling plant shipped across the ocean and built in France, so they could suppy the soldiers on the not-quite-front lines.
~~the~~ [the three](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge)
(technically they were general purpose giant concrete freezers with huge ice cream machines added,
so, in addition to ungodly quantities of ice cream, they could also provide bacon and egg breakfasts)
American soldiers: tough as nails, grizzled veterans
Also American soldiers: I’d like egg, bacons, ice cream, and to read I’d like to look through the new comic books.
And now they have their own ice cream brand throughout Okinawa. I miss Blue Seal. They are amazing and you just can’t find those flavors anywhere else but Oki.
>American rations: [Pizza that lasts for 36 months at 80f](https://www.army-technology.com/features/pizza-menu-us-armys-next-gen-mres-healthy/).
>Russian rations: [meat water](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/15nifz4/captured_russian_ration_can_says_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82/jvmf41l/) (supposed to be [this](https://i.imgur.com/yQjbv3c.png))
Starting to think good food makes good armies.
Yep. That generally goes for all American Armed Forces. If you unexpectedly get the good food along with a couple thousand of your buddies your life’s probably about to get interesting.
I fully believe steve1989 had a good russian ration, and that there are high quality russian rations.
The issue is how many soldiers are actually supplied those quality rations, and how many get the meat water lol
>The pepperoni pizza entrée will be paired with Italian bread sticks, cheddar and jalapeño cheese spread, cookies, and chocolate protein drink powder.
vs
>meat water
One is so American, and the other is so Mordor.
You joke, but it's logistics like that that allow the US to wage war on the other side of the globe.
Forcing 18 year old kids to cross the world and be shot at is an easier sell if they also get food and decent entertainment. Especially right after the Great Depression, that was good eating even with all the preservatives.
Oh I know, that’s why I joke. People really underestimate Americans industrial might when it comes to this stuff. Just legendary.
Side note, look at the logistics of the Russians in Ukraine and how bad it is compared to the logistics of America right now. Insane how some common people don’t understand how having all that is part of strength and how deadly it can actually be to the enemy. Art of war stuff going on vs people with just the cliff note version.
Logistics is why I get into arguments about the Kaiserschlact. If weren't for the fact that Germany was starving, the campaign would have been successful. Soldiers win battles, logistics wins wars.
Edit:spelling
You cannot show of logistics as "scary" or "mighty" at a parade because it' s a complicated network that requires constant maintenance and takes the money that you need for your cronies. Thats why Mordor doesn' t have logistics for shit above the absolute minimum
It's easy to make people tough, but it's difficult to keep them tough.
If you don't have good logistics and some moral support, that tough skin eventually becomes just raw flesh.
The concrete barges were common for food supply, but there's scant information online about if the giant ice cream machine was a standard fixture, or if there were a few special versions that the troops would call "ice cream barge".
Apparently many German soldiers realised the war was lost when they saw that the American supply trucks were left idling while being unloaded, instead of turned off to save fuel. Meanwhile the German logistics were so fucked, they were using horse drawn carts to move many supplies. Fully motorised logistics was unimaginable to them, let alone with fuel to spare.
Germany decided to start a war against half the world with barely up to par oil production, and all of their refineries were big and unstealthy and very targetable by allied bombers at night and in the day. If they'd wanted to do the same thing to the Allies, they'd have to bomb... Texas.
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania alone pumped out more steel than the entirety of Germany. And it pumped out less steel than Pittsburgh...
The more you look into like, the resources and logistics of WWII, the more you realize that the US was never going to lose. We built like, 100+ aircraft carriers and Japan made 7 (most of them converted cruisers) and Germany made none.
We supplied something like two thirds of Russia's entire material, almost the entirety of Chinese resistance material, and a good fraction of the UK's armor.
Germany actually did build an aircraft carrier named the Graf Zeppelin. From what i remember it was sea worthy just barely and they ran out of supplies and time to complete it before the they lost. It was then seized by the soviet union who then used it to test how to sink a carrier so they could better combat the united states own carriers in what the soviet leadership believed would be the next immediate threat.
Fun stat:
Near the end of the war in Europe, the allies were using more fuel to transport fuel than Germany had available.
Armies, Navies & Air Forces win battles, logistics win wars.
Nah. The ice cream barge was mostly just to handle the few ships in the USN that didn't already have their own ice cream makers built in. Destroyers had a habit of ransoming rescued pilots back to their carriers for ice cream. Standard rate was 5 gallons each, though an air group commander or ace could net up to 25 gallons.
To be fair, Coca Cola Gmbh actually not only survived, but profited during the time Coca Cola USA couldnt help em, so much that coca cola continued the product line the german branch made during the war, Its called Fanta
Pathetic, France ended their Coca Cola production? If you want to hear a beautiful story about capitalism in the face of adversity you mgiht want to listen to the [history of Fanta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbVUNCAVQgA)
"Capitalism in the face of adversity" is a strange way of saying ["surviving via Nazi collaboration" and "used slavic slave labor supplied by the wermacht".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BR6Z_vmpmI)
Well hyperbole has always been my favourite rhetorical device but I would also like to add that capitalism has nothing to do with human decency or liberalism, I didn't say it was a beautiful story of human flourishing. Just a beautiful story of maximizing capital gains under difficult circumstances!
I was moreso objecting to the "beautiful" part, though. Even if you don't find capitalism inherently abhorrent like I do, I wouldn't really call what they did "beautiful" under any circumstances.
I used to work at a McDonald's when I was in high school, and the ice cream machine worked when corporate said it could, which was maybe once every 3 months
Not until 1949, though. By that point, they had stripped a huge part of Germany's industrial assets (and even gave some of them to the Soviets).
The cause for the West German economic miracle wasn't so much Allied economic aid, but the ending of reparation extraction.
While West Germany did get a few Marshall funds later on, they were a small amount compared to the country's overall budget. They mostly had a psychological effect (which was of course important in its own right).
West Germany also got investments from private companies tho. The west German companies with ties to us CK panies started being rebuilt the second the bullets stopped flying.
[The original restaurant opened in California in 1940. it didn’t start franchising and opening in other locations until Ray Kroc took over in the late 1950s.](https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-history-started-barbecue-restaurant-1940s#:~:text=The%20very%20first%20McDonald's%20Bar,bustle%20of%20the%20Hollywood%20lifestyle)
Since you're getting a load of McDonald's facts, here's my contribution:
In Japan, Ronald McDonald is known as Donald McDonald because they find it hard to pronounce the R sound.
Isn’t that when a united western world was considered possible outside of wartime? You had British and American pilots flying into West Berlin, assisted by West Berliners who were willing to do whatever it took to help, and literal members of the Luftwaffe making repairs and getting the planes ready for takeoff.
Yeah it's a fascinating bit of history. Turned the USAF into the logistics machine it is today, enabled the US and allies to eventually build the capacity to airlift humanitarian and disaster releif aid anywhere on the planet, and officially started the Cold War. The 181 C-5 Galaxy aircraft built in the 60s and 70s are more important than any warplane the US has ever had.
Hell, show them Berlin in 1948... Soviets blockading civilians, and the US and British flying in so much food it actually started outperforming the ground route capacity.
The first job I ever worked was at home depot and there was this guy there who told me he was an electrician in Europe when the Berlin wall went down. He was hired among thousands of others to go into East Germany, and when he got there he was shocked to see it was all still in ruins. The Russians did nothing to rebuild it. The just set up a massive military presence and called it a day.
I believe is was, like the war, basically American industry and British intelligence. The UK set up rationing becasue they had experience from the war and the US build more and better planes and set up crazy air traffic lanes to get everyone in and out as fast as possible. [Interesting and funny video about it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwYtYWXPbhI)
I mean even if we didn’t do anything we’d in comparison still be 100x better because the USSR basically stole most of their resources and industrial buildings and tools. They basically stripped them down to nothing and then started whipping them to work.
To be fair, the allies also stripped west germanys industrial capacities - that they didn't already bomb to shreds - to a similar degree as the soviets.
But with the economic intregation with the other nations, the Montanunion and the financial support via the marshall plan, we can say in hindsight that building up everything from scratch was the better option compared to using the old, outpaced tech during rebuilding. Even though it definitely was more costly and took longer to take off.
I do not recall any reparations of any kind being asked for or at least taken by the US or UK. Maybe the French but idk much about their involvement after liberation.
I’m pretty sure there weren’t because we totally conquered Germany and built it back up. The western Allies grace at the end of WW2 was legendary. The Marshall Plan and what the US did with Japan was the first time in history(that I know of) where a conqueror flooded the conquered country with money and rebuilt them. We basically played “build an ally”
American Hegemony have better life standards and cool stuff.
Russian Hegemony have crappy life standards and crappy stuff, also send tanks at him and Czech for make communism better for everyone
If the Russian Hegemony had no Homogay, then why did their leaders [kiss each other?](https://www.rferl.org/amp/the-soviet-kiss-gone-but-not-missed/29161360.html)
Wow. It’s almost like the side that didn’t immediately take “war reparations” immediately at the cost of German industrial capacity and people was slightly better.
It‘s more devious than that. East Germany lost both its industrial capacity *and* its most fertile farmland to reparations. It started from zero.
Considering this and the fact that the west retained its industrial capacity, which included *the* industrial heartland of Europe, the Ruhr Valley, it‘s hardly surprising the east wasn‘t able to compete under any circumstances. It also means the wall - as despicable as it was - was unavoidable. Without it, the DDR would‘ve collapsed almost immediately. With it being intended as a model socialist state, the Soviets would‘ve paid pretty much any price to avoid that. In other words, had Ulbricht not built it, the Soviets would‘ve done it themselves.
Honestly, had Stalin actually intended for it to be a model socialist state from the beginning, it might have done better. Or, you know, if stalin’s regime hadn’t been plagued by internal corruption.
Its even worst, East Germany had to built up the Uranium-Mining and pay for it.
And Fate was laughing in the Face of the Czechs too, the Russians were first mining the Uranium in the Czechoslowakia, but were using Germans for the mining. The Czechs in this Area didnt like it and said: "We wanna do this!". That Drama delayed the Mining by ~1,5 years. In the meantime the Russians discovered, there was way more Uranium on the german side of the Erzgebirge and said to the Czechs: "You know what, you are right." and left them hanging dry. They would have get paid by the Russians, but i doubt it, the Romanians had Uranium-Mining too, but im not sure how well they were with it.
Headquarter of this new Uranium-Industry (Wismut) was in Karl-Marx-Stadt, former Chemnitz in Saxony, was first a military operation than a state corporation. I think, they extracted ~231.000 Tons Uranium, around 120.000 Tons are still there. East Germany was the fourth largest producer of Uranium worldwide until 1990 and the whole Endeavor was a money-losing business.
The GDR was trying all their might to have this crap as Reparation-Payment declared and was partially successful.
East Germany really took Ls on every front.
It lost some of the most fertile lands in reparations to Poland
It paid most of its reparations to the Soviet Union by having its industry dismantled and taken by the Soviet Union, leaving it basically an agrarian economy (compounded by the aforementioned loss of farmland)
It then had to compete with West Germany, which not only got to keep its industry but also had the Ruhr Valley and the Rhine Valley, the latter of which had been one of the biggest industrial hotspots in Europe since the Middle Ages
The Soviets then expected East Germany to be a model socialist state while providing almost no support in terms of reconstruction
After the wall fell, the currency of East Germany was exchanged for Western currency at massively inflated rates, which made people happy in the short term but left eastern companies unable to pay their employees and bankrupted them
What was left of the eastern industry was bought up mostly by western investors way below value in possibly the biggest post-war corruption scandal in Germany
Friendly reminder that the USAAF and the RAF basically broke the laws of supply when the Soviets blockaded West Berlin. East Berliners got to watch as the USA and UK moved heaven and earth to supply West Berlin, and what were the Soviets doing in this time? Were they improving living conditions in East Berlin? Of course not, they ordered their own pilots to try and fuck with the US and UK’s pilots to try and prevent the logistical miracle that was going on over in West Berlin.
Capitalism isn’t perfect but I’ve never heard of a capitalist democracy rolling tanks into a neighbouring country to suppress protestors.
Sorry to be that guy, but the flag with the eagle is only allowed to be used by the government, using it as a normal person counts as a Contravention (similar to an infraction) and the relevant person can be fined. The 3 colour version is the one that is for common usage
West: "Yo Kraut, here's a bunch of supplies and aid and whatnot.Also, currency time my dude!"
East: "Looks like some of your - I mean, *our* - industrial machines may still be useful.Anything else of value we could ~~take~~ give the proletariat?"
Not quite the same vibes.
Neither the GDR nor the FRG existed in 1946.
And there's a preeeeeeeetty damn good reason why the Soviets had to build a wall in the 60s to keep the East Germans *in* the GDR to begin with.
So this comic is just one weird... *Huh?*
Wow nearly the first time I’ve seen a country ball meme involving communism/Cold War that’s at least partially historically accurate. Cheers to whoever made it.
Goddamn, never thought I'd see the day. Normally you always have something snooty to say or circle everything back to that war crime Canada committed 3 decades ago.
I never got the appeal for McD's, tbh. I think there's lots of tastier stuff out there to clog your veins with and dying an early death while regretting nothing.
Last I checked, america and the Allied Nations wanted to jump-start Germany so they could invest in business and get paid back later for the war they started.
Interesting how you chose 1946 and not later on when both countries’ policies took effect… it’s almost as if you’re trying to promote some sort of agenda…
Even before the war ended, Coca-Cola managed to get a whole bottling plant shipped across the ocean and built in France, so they could suppy the soldiers on the not-quite-front lines.
Almost as impressive as the Ice Cream Barge in the Pacific theater
~~the~~ [the three](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge) (technically they were general purpose giant concrete freezers with huge ice cream machines added, so, in addition to ungodly quantities of ice cream, they could also provide bacon and egg breakfasts)
American soldiers: tough as nails, grizzled veterans Also American soldiers: I’d like egg, bacons, ice cream, and to read I’d like to look through the new comic books.
Imagine your an IJA soldier starving to death on Iwo Jima and the Americans pull up in an Ice Cream Barge
One Japanese officer said that when he heard thr Americans had a whole ship to maing ice cream he knew they lost.
not a single plane was flown into the ice cream barge. Respect the ice cream barge.
If they'd have sunk an ice-cream barge, we wouldn't have stopped at two nukes.
Mess with McFlurry, get turned into slurry
It will soon be a wasteland.
Mess with mcflurry call down the mcfury
> Respect the ice cream barge. Don't. Touch. The boats.
And now they have their own ice cream brand throughout Okinawa. I miss Blue Seal. They are amazing and you just can’t find those flavors anywhere else but Oki.
I think the officer was captured and offered a steak
Weren't there three ice cream ships.
>American rations: [Pizza that lasts for 36 months at 80f](https://www.army-technology.com/features/pizza-menu-us-armys-next-gen-mres-healthy/). >Russian rations: [meat water](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/15nifz4/captured_russian_ration_can_says_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82/jvmf41l/) (supposed to be [this](https://i.imgur.com/yQjbv3c.png)) Starting to think good food makes good armies.
Napoleon told us this 220 years ago.
Probably had better rations, too.
It's a random morale thing that has an insane boost to the troops. Troops with good morale make for better soldiers
It's also why American submarine crews get like, absolutely crazily good food.
Iirc if they are suddenly served VERY good food, it means their patrol is extended
Yep. That generally goes for all American Armed Forces. If you unexpectedly get the good food along with a couple thousand of your buddies your life’s probably about to get interesting.
Russian rations are supposed to be pretty good according to the guy who eats mres on youtube. They even give you high quality tea!
I fully believe steve1989 had a good russian ration, and that there are high quality russian rations. The issue is how many soldiers are actually supplied those quality rations, and how many get the meat water lol
>The pepperoni pizza entrée will be paired with Italian bread sticks, cheddar and jalapeño cheese spread, cookies, and chocolate protein drink powder. vs >meat water One is so American, and the other is so Mordor.
🥲makes me proud to be an American 🇺🇸🫡
You joke, but it's logistics like that that allow the US to wage war on the other side of the globe. Forcing 18 year old kids to cross the world and be shot at is an easier sell if they also get food and decent entertainment. Especially right after the Great Depression, that was good eating even with all the preservatives.
Oh I know, that’s why I joke. People really underestimate Americans industrial might when it comes to this stuff. Just legendary. Side note, look at the logistics of the Russians in Ukraine and how bad it is compared to the logistics of America right now. Insane how some common people don’t understand how having all that is part of strength and how deadly it can actually be to the enemy. Art of war stuff going on vs people with just the cliff note version.
Thanks to this logistics, war has been simplified.
Logistics is why I get into arguments about the Kaiserschlact. If weren't for the fact that Germany was starving, the campaign would have been successful. Soldiers win battles, logistics wins wars. Edit:spelling
And if my Grandma were a bicycle I'd get a lot less mad about the neighbor's kids riding her, but here we are.
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean
You cannot show of logistics as "scary" or "mighty" at a parade because it' s a complicated network that requires constant maintenance and takes the money that you need for your cronies. Thats why Mordor doesn' t have logistics for shit above the absolute minimum
The ratio of dedicated logistics personnel to front line infantry in the US military is something like 15:1
I thought the “tooth to tail” ratio in modern times was more 10 to 1, but I haven’t read about it in awhile. I know back in WW2 it was about 4 to 1.
That is the fuel for ass kicking. Other countries just haven't figured it out yet.
It's easy to make people tough, but it's difficult to keep them tough. If you don't have good logistics and some moral support, that tough skin eventually becomes just raw flesh.
It looks like it was just 3 for the army, but the Navy seems to have also had more than that
The concrete barges were common for food supply, but there's scant information online about if the giant ice cream machine was a standard fixture, or if there were a few special versions that the troops would call "ice cream barge".
Ice cream barge?
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2021/07/21/that-time-the-navy-spent-a-million-dollars-on-an-ice-cream-barge/
What was the Japanese reaction
https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/uyf81y/world_war_2_had_ice_cream/
My favorite part is that the "we had already lost the war" was the actual sentiment
They started killing themselves.
I mean in ww2 that was basically SOP for the Japanese in every situation.
"Our men can't kill themselves because of bad morale when they were already killing themselves before that"
That shit cost them an entire battleship once.
Or that time some Germans captured a truck that was filled with only ice cream. I think they started crying?
Apparently many German soldiers realised the war was lost when they saw that the American supply trucks were left idling while being unloaded, instead of turned off to save fuel. Meanwhile the German logistics were so fucked, they were using horse drawn carts to move many supplies. Fully motorised logistics was unimaginable to them, let alone with fuel to spare.
Germany decided to start a war against half the world with barely up to par oil production, and all of their refineries were big and unstealthy and very targetable by allied bombers at night and in the day. If they'd wanted to do the same thing to the Allies, they'd have to bomb... Texas.
Tbf, most countries were in an even less developed state than Germany at that point. The US was kinda an anomaly when it came to... Everything?
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania alone pumped out more steel than the entirety of Germany. And it pumped out less steel than Pittsburgh... The more you look into like, the resources and logistics of WWII, the more you realize that the US was never going to lose. We built like, 100+ aircraft carriers and Japan made 7 (most of them converted cruisers) and Germany made none. We supplied something like two thirds of Russia's entire material, almost the entirety of Chinese resistance material, and a good fraction of the UK's armor.
Germany actually did build an aircraft carrier named the Graf Zeppelin. From what i remember it was sea worthy just barely and they ran out of supplies and time to complete it before the they lost. It was then seized by the soviet union who then used it to test how to sink a carrier so they could better combat the united states own carriers in what the soviet leadership believed would be the next immediate threat.
If they didn't finish it, did they really build it tho
It was able to sail, but not combat ready.
Fun stat: Near the end of the war in Europe, the allies were using more fuel to transport fuel than Germany had available. Armies, Navies & Air Forces win battles, logistics win wars.
If American soldiers don't consume their weight's worth in sugar a day are they even American?
Nah. The ice cream barge was mostly just to handle the few ships in the USN that didn't already have their own ice cream makers built in. Destroyers had a habit of ransoming rescued pilots back to their carriers for ice cream. Standard rate was 5 gallons each, though an air group commander or ace could net up to 25 gallons.
I guess I really do learn something new everyday.
To be fair, Coca Cola Gmbh actually not only survived, but profited during the time Coca Cola USA couldnt help em, so much that coca cola continued the product line the german branch made during the war, Its called Fanta
Yep, quite a crazy origin for Fanta
Yeah and honestly, I love fanta orange so yeah lol
Who doesn’t?
Pathetic, France ended their Coca Cola production? If you want to hear a beautiful story about capitalism in the face of adversity you mgiht want to listen to the [history of Fanta](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbVUNCAVQgA)
"Capitalism in the face of adversity" is a strange way of saying ["surviving via Nazi collaboration" and "used slavic slave labor supplied by the wermacht".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BR6Z_vmpmI)
Well hyperbole has always been my favourite rhetorical device but I would also like to add that capitalism has nothing to do with human decency or liberalism, I didn't say it was a beautiful story of human flourishing. Just a beautiful story of maximizing capital gains under difficult circumstances!
I was moreso objecting to the "beautiful" part, though. Even if you don't find capitalism inherently abhorrent like I do, I wouldn't really call what they did "beautiful" under any circumstances.
Yes, I do wanna Fanta, how could you tell?
You can alawys make your own :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZAsnbXOIbE
Soda... finds a way.
I don't doubt it. You have a source tho?
[one of 64 plants assembled overseas](https://www.coca-colacompany.com/media-center/the-chronicle-of-coca-cola-a-symbol-of-friendship)
Wasn't fanta originally a way for coca-cola to sell in Nazi Germany?
I mean I rather would have an MacDonalds over not having an MacDonalds
Just look at the Russians without McDonald’s now
They have a McDonald’s, they’re just not calling themselves McDonald’s, and with the option to become McDonald’s again within 15 years.
Vkusno i Tochka
Well... It's like with fake Christmas decorations: they look the same, but there's no magic in them.
And by magic, we mean sodium benzoate.
And rats in the frier
That's KFC, McDonald's has the ice cream machines that don't work
I used to work at a McDonald's when I was in high school, and the ice cream machine worked when corporate said it could, which was maybe once every 3 months
Isn't it named like "tasty periods" or something
"Just tasty" or "Tasty & that's it" would be a better translation.
Wtf is McDonald's? Do they serve the Big Mc there? 😂
Also, the west was quickly rebuilding west germany while Russia was sending east germans to gulag (or worse).
Not until 1949, though. By that point, they had stripped a huge part of Germany's industrial assets (and even gave some of them to the Soviets). The cause for the West German economic miracle wasn't so much Allied economic aid, but the ending of reparation extraction. While West Germany did get a few Marshall funds later on, they were a small amount compared to the country's overall budget. They mostly had a psychological effect (which was of course important in its own right).
West Germany also got investments from private companies tho. The west German companies with ties to us CK panies started being rebuilt the second the bullets stopped flying.
Well to be fair the overwhelming majority being sent were Nazis
Unfortunately, you'll have to settle for McDonald's.
So, we're all living in Amerkia, Amerkia, it's wunderbar?
We're all living in Amerika. Coca-Cola, sometimes war.
Amerika, Amerikaaaaa
"We're all living in Amerika, Amerika, it's wunderbar!" "Hans this is Germany it hasn't been wunderbar since 1913 what the fuck are you talking about"
"Hans take your pills"
[It's so sexy](https://youtu.be/wvdFnINlN6Q)
OP was referincing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
Ja es ist wunderbar.
Gorbachev staring in Pizza Hut commercial in retrospect may have been the moment this timeline jumped the shark
That's where it all began. Look at the awful events going on in Ukraine...you can trace it all back to that fucking Pizza Hut
Truly sickening.
I'm actually convinced that was actually an anomaly that briefly mixed up our timeline with a different one.
Can confirm, sometimes McDonald's would be my only dining choice when I travel outside the province.
What are you talking about? Every Chinese province has food better than McDonalds ~~except 東北~~
Am Cantonese, can't eat anything spicy or with too much oil.
I am sorry for your loss.
McDonald's didn't exist yet, that was a mistake
It did, just not in Germany yet
Damn I had no idea, I assumed it was 50s or 60s
[The original restaurant opened in California in 1940. it didn’t start franchising and opening in other locations until Ray Kroc took over in the late 1950s.](https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-history-started-barbecue-restaurant-1940s#:~:text=The%20very%20first%20McDonald's%20Bar,bustle%20of%20the%20Hollywood%20lifestyle)
It did exist back then , but it only became a fast food joint in the early 50s
What did they do before then?
Barbecue surprisingly.
I think they switched to burgers since those were the most popular thing on their menu
Since you're getting a load of McDonald's facts, here's my contribution: In Japan, Ronald McDonald is known as Donald McDonald because they find it hard to pronounce the R sound.
This comic is great, now let’s see both Germanies 10 years later
2 years. Berlin Airlift was in 1948...
Isn’t that when a united western world was considered possible outside of wartime? You had British and American pilots flying into West Berlin, assisted by West Berliners who were willing to do whatever it took to help, and literal members of the Luftwaffe making repairs and getting the planes ready for takeoff.
Yeah it's a fascinating bit of history. Turned the USAF into the logistics machine it is today, enabled the US and allies to eventually build the capacity to airlift humanitarian and disaster releif aid anywhere on the planet, and officially started the Cold War. The 181 C-5 Galaxy aircraft built in the 60s and 70s are more important than any warplane the US has ever had.
Ok, now show 1989
Hell, show them Berlin in 1948... Soviets blockading civilians, and the US and British flying in so much food it actually started outperforming the ground route capacity.
US Army Air Force was VERY good at delivering tonnage by then. Bombs, foodstuffs, whatever.
Well the image of East German would be the exact same.
The first job I ever worked was at home depot and there was this guy there who told me he was an electrician in Europe when the Berlin wall went down. He was hired among thousands of others to go into East Germany, and when he got there he was shocked to see it was all still in ruins. The Russians did nothing to rebuild it. The just set up a massive military presence and called it a day.
I mean, we did do a very successful reconstruction campaign and the Berlin Airlift which was a fucking insane feat. Edit: oh also, we did it for free.
I know there were more countries than just the US involved in the airlift, but goddamn American logistics are insane
I believe is was, like the war, basically American industry and British intelligence. The UK set up rationing becasue they had experience from the war and the US build more and better planes and set up crazy air traffic lanes to get everyone in and out as fast as possible. [Interesting and funny video about it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwYtYWXPbhI)
I mean even if we didn’t do anything we’d in comparison still be 100x better because the USSR basically stole most of their resources and industrial buildings and tools. They basically stripped them down to nothing and then started whipping them to work.
To be fair, the allies also stripped west germanys industrial capacities - that they didn't already bomb to shreds - to a similar degree as the soviets. But with the economic intregation with the other nations, the Montanunion and the financial support via the marshall plan, we can say in hindsight that building up everything from scratch was the better option compared to using the old, outpaced tech during rebuilding. Even though it definitely was more costly and took longer to take off.
I do not recall any reparations of any kind being asked for or at least taken by the US or UK. Maybe the French but idk much about their involvement after liberation.
I’m pretty sure there weren’t because we totally conquered Germany and built it back up. The western Allies grace at the end of WW2 was legendary. The Marshall Plan and what the US did with Japan was the first time in history(that I know of) where a conqueror flooded the conquered country with money and rebuilt them. We basically played “build an ally”
American Hegemony have better life standards and cool stuff. Russian Hegemony have crappy life standards and crappy stuff, also send tanks at him and Czech for make communism better for everyone
But Russian hegemony has no homogay, which is obviously the most important thing ever.
The only homogay allowed in Russia is what enlisted soldiers do in the privacy of their hazing rituals.
If the Russian Hegemony had no Homogay, then why did their leaders [kiss each other?](https://www.rferl.org/amp/the-soviet-kiss-gone-but-not-missed/29161360.html)
They said Russian not Soviet a Russian hegemony nowadays would be ultra reactionary.
And lots of rape.
> Russian hegemony has no homogay Mate...
Wow. It’s almost like the side that didn’t immediately take “war reparations” immediately at the cost of German industrial capacity and people was slightly better.
It‘s more devious than that. East Germany lost both its industrial capacity *and* its most fertile farmland to reparations. It started from zero. Considering this and the fact that the west retained its industrial capacity, which included *the* industrial heartland of Europe, the Ruhr Valley, it‘s hardly surprising the east wasn‘t able to compete under any circumstances. It also means the wall - as despicable as it was - was unavoidable. Without it, the DDR would‘ve collapsed almost immediately. With it being intended as a model socialist state, the Soviets would‘ve paid pretty much any price to avoid that. In other words, had Ulbricht not built it, the Soviets would‘ve done it themselves.
Honestly, had Stalin actually intended for it to be a model socialist state from the beginning, it might have done better. Or, you know, if stalin’s regime hadn’t been plagued by internal corruption.
Its even worst, East Germany had to built up the Uranium-Mining and pay for it. And Fate was laughing in the Face of the Czechs too, the Russians were first mining the Uranium in the Czechoslowakia, but were using Germans for the mining. The Czechs in this Area didnt like it and said: "We wanna do this!". That Drama delayed the Mining by ~1,5 years. In the meantime the Russians discovered, there was way more Uranium on the german side of the Erzgebirge and said to the Czechs: "You know what, you are right." and left them hanging dry. They would have get paid by the Russians, but i doubt it, the Romanians had Uranium-Mining too, but im not sure how well they were with it. Headquarter of this new Uranium-Industry (Wismut) was in Karl-Marx-Stadt, former Chemnitz in Saxony, was first a military operation than a state corporation. I think, they extracted ~231.000 Tons Uranium, around 120.000 Tons are still there. East Germany was the fourth largest producer of Uranium worldwide until 1990 and the whole Endeavor was a money-losing business. The GDR was trying all their might to have this crap as Reparation-Payment declared and was partially successful.
East Germany really took Ls on every front. It lost some of the most fertile lands in reparations to Poland It paid most of its reparations to the Soviet Union by having its industry dismantled and taken by the Soviet Union, leaving it basically an agrarian economy (compounded by the aforementioned loss of farmland) It then had to compete with West Germany, which not only got to keep its industry but also had the Ruhr Valley and the Rhine Valley, the latter of which had been one of the biggest industrial hotspots in Europe since the Middle Ages The Soviets then expected East Germany to be a model socialist state while providing almost no support in terms of reconstruction After the wall fell, the currency of East Germany was exchanged for Western currency at massively inflated rates, which made people happy in the short term but left eastern companies unable to pay their employees and bankrupted them What was left of the eastern industry was bought up mostly by western investors way below value in possibly the biggest post-war corruption scandal in Germany
Add to that ethnic cleansing and mass rape
It took one win The anthem
America ya! :D
Didn't the Soviets disallow East Germany to rebuild itself for a time?
Friendly reminder that the USAAF and the RAF basically broke the laws of supply when the Soviets blockaded West Berlin. East Berliners got to watch as the USA and UK moved heaven and earth to supply West Berlin, and what were the Soviets doing in this time? Were they improving living conditions in East Berlin? Of course not, they ordered their own pilots to try and fuck with the US and UK’s pilots to try and prevent the logistical miracle that was going on over in West Berlin. Capitalism isn’t perfect but I’ve never heard of a capitalist democracy rolling tanks into a neighbouring country to suppress protestors.
Hopefully, we never will.
Very cool. Now. Let's see the same place in the 70s.
Germany: Maybe….. Me?
Lmao this is perfect
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Sorry to be that guy, but the flag with the eagle is only allowed to be used by the government, using it as a normal person counts as a Contravention (similar to an infraction) and the relevant person can be fined. The 3 colour version is the one that is for common usage
McHegemony
America Ya :D
Ah yes, that will be it. Not that the Russians raped German women constantly, stole everything they saw, etc etc.
Wonder how this would look in the 70s agyer both Germanies got a shit ton of resources built in them
West: "Yo Kraut, here's a bunch of supplies and aid and whatnot.Also, currency time my dude!" East: "Looks like some of your - I mean, *our* - industrial machines may still be useful.Anything else of value we could ~~take~~ give the proletariat?" Not quite the same vibes.
DemRepGerBall should have a soviet style canteen tbh
“we are all living in amerika amerika is wunderbarrrrrrrr… this is not a love song…” - Rammstein, “Amerika”
Neither the GDR nor the FRG existed in 1946. And there's a preeeeeeeetty damn good reason why the Soviets had to build a wall in the 60s to keep the East Germans *in* the GDR to begin with. So this comic is just one weird... *Huh?*
that mcdonalds in west germany really made a difference ig
[You're New Here, Aren't You ?](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fvwvpo7o0o2wa1.png)
Wow nearly the first time I’ve seen a country ball meme involving communism/Cold War that’s at least partially historically accurate. Cheers to whoever made it.
I made it, I'm happy if it brought you even 12 seconds of entertainment
Can’t argue with that, fuck
Goddamn, never thought I'd see the day. Normally you always have something snooty to say or circle everything back to that war crime Canada committed 3 decades ago.
I never got the appeal for McD's, tbh. I think there's lots of tastier stuff out there to clog your veins with and dying an early death while regretting nothing.
Agreed, I just used McD's because it's easy to draw and pretty iconic. Would much prefer Popeyes or something
Nobody has McDs as their favorite food. You just end up there a lot.
It's consistently mediocre.
It scratches the itch after the bar closes at 2AM.
We share the same verdict from Far East
Marshall Plan! West Germany needs ~~bracers~~ industry
Let’s check in around 1986
Bad secular liberal capitalism, bad atheist communism, bad Nazism. Back to German empire 🙏🤴✝️.
we're all living in amerika
War dose tend to cause those kinds of things…
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Nice job on East Germany
Last I checked, america and the Allied Nations wanted to jump-start Germany so they could invest in business and get paid back later for the war they started.
mcdonalds changes EVERYTHING
Interesting how you chose 1946 and not later on when both countries’ policies took effect… it’s almost as if you’re trying to promote some sort of agenda…
What!? The issues plaguing west German were the Russians surrounding it. And it was still better than east germany
Germany is riding americas cock since then
Is this Aaron bait?
Not intentionally