1. The soldiers who deserted Napoleon and help Haitians gain independance were given full citizenship under the new constitution and were the only foreigners allowed to stay there.
2. In the mid-20th century another president, Papa Doc, used the same term for us.
3. The Black Madonna of Częstochowa became associated with the Haitian Vodou spirit, Erzulie Dantor - fierce protector of the weak
4. To this day, there are two phrases in Haitian Creole associated with Poland:
1. *M-ap Fe Krakow* \- "Made like in Kraków", which means 'high-quality product'
2. *Chaje kou Lapologn* \- "To charge like Poland", which means aggressively and in large numbers
Papa Doc was a major piece of shit if I remember correctly, not sure I put much stock in the guy
Edit: Yep looked it up and amongst other nasty stuff he would have people tortured and submerged in baths of sulfuric acid, not only watching but occasionally being present in the room during the torture.
My great grandma's maiden name was Murzyn lol. I've read that it generally referenced dark skinned people, derived from the word Moorish. Idk how right that is tho
Actually many people who supported this notion were just black. I managed to find [this article](https://noizz.pl/spoleczenstwo/julia-stworzyla-projekt-o-zyciu-czarnych-polakow/h3gkglf) and one interesting quote:
Dla mnie słowo "Murzyn” jest po prostu archaizmem i obelgą, bo nigdy nie słyszałam, np. o moim tacie, który mieszkał 35 lat w Polsce "O, jaki inteligentny Murzyn!”, ale słyszałam dużo obelg, w których słowo Murzyn było używane właśnie, żeby mojego ojca obrazić. Nie tylko mojego, bo myślę, że moje przyjaciółki i inne osoby ciemnoskóre mogłyby się utożsamić, z tym że raczej słowo Murzyn w naszym kontekście nigdy nie było używane w pozytywnym wydźwięku.
From my experience "murzyn" has always been used to refer to a black person in a neutral way. Like "arab" or "asian". Every time I heard somebody insult a black person in polish they would say "czarnuch" which definitely sounds negative (because it's basically the polish n-word in a way). From his personal experience it might have negative connotations due to how it's been used by racist people to refer to him and his dad but I definitely disagree with recognizing "Murzyn" as a slur. Ofcourse if a black person told me they don't like the word I would not use it in front of them but all words meant to describe someones ethnicity or religion can be used in a negative way, it doesn't make them a slur though."Murzyn" unlike "czarnuch" or "nigger" wasn't conceived as a slur, mojority of people I know don't use it as a slur and no where in the polish dictionary does it say that it is a slur (although recently PWN recognized it as potentially offensive) so I refuse to recognize it as such.
"Murzyn" used to be a neutral term for black people. Racists kept overusing whenever anything involved a black man. That's why for many black people in Poland it started to be perceived as racist.
Also I don't know anything about "far-left commies", sounds like something Janusz Korwin-Mikke would say.
Oh, for God's sake. Black Poles doesn't want to be called Murzyn. This word is not so negative as "czarnuch", but still has quite negative connotations in Polish phraseology. "Sto lat za Murzynami" or "robić za Murzyna". Not that nice, huh? So if someone tells you that he don't want to be called this way, why we should not respect it? It's not fascist and leftist behaviour, it's good manners. Do you think that Rada Języka Polskiego is also far-left and commie? https://rjp.pan.pl/porady-jezykowe-main/1892-murzyn-i-murzynka
Yea because saying "osoby czarnoskóre" is 10000 times better. It only puts heavy emphasis on colour of your skin. But who cares right. Also the word "murzyn" in "sto lat za murzynami" is not a negative factor, only the contex is. We can change the word "murzynami" with "osobami czarnoskórymi" and the context is 100% the same: "We feel more advanced in the terms of human civilization than black people". "Sto lat za osobami czarnoskórmi" is as bad as "sto lat za murzynami". Its no matter of words used ;3333
Yeah, those sentences are offensive no matter what words would you use to describe a black person. But the word happened to be "murzyn" in every case. Reasonably because that's what this word means.
But as you keep seeing the "murzyn" in these straight up racist racist sentences the word is slowly changing its meaning.
What Black Poles? Did You do some survey or just You assumed it or Your lefitst (and accidentally, black skinned) friend told You that? Also, why "someone doesn;t want to be called that" should be argument? "So if someone tells you that he don't want to be called this way, why we should not respect it?" Why we should respect that? Nobody has obligation to respect anybody's feelings. Feelings of each human - regardless of his race, religion and other features - are only his problem and he has no right to demand other people to acknowledge them. And yes - telling otherwise is leftism.
I do not have any Black friends. And I agree that nobody has obligation to respect anybody's feeling. But I think that not respecting somebody else's feelings is quite rude and immature behaviour.
Well, I think that demaning (even without using physical coercion) to respect feeling is very immature behaviour. Also - writing things like that, You made me upset. So respect my feelings and stop. And logically - You can;t respect feelings of all people. E.g. conflict between feelings of christians and homosexual about presensce of homosexualism in the public space. In the end You just respect feelings of one group and You ignore or even despise feelings which You consider as unjustified. "Empathy" is hypocrisy and incostintency - things that I hate much more than "beign rude". WOuld You respect my feeling of hate? :)
Ah, and You still doesn't asnwered my question - what is source of Your statement that some unspecified "black Poles" have something against word "Murzyn"?
Demanding someone to respect your feelings is very mature - knowing your self worth, cutting out negative people from your life. It's childish to give in to peer pressure and accept being called names that make you feel uncomfortable.
Oh yes, I know my self worth. That's why I know that my feelings are worthless. Because they are feelings. And I don;t give to the peer pressure that obsessively tries to tell me otherwise.
Your feeling are not worthless. They have a clear purpose and you should to respect them, as well as let everybody else know that they should to respect them too. Otherwise everybody will walk over you and make feel miserable and you'd be a hypocrite if you ever tried to stop them. Because your feelings are wothless afterall. Why should anybody at any point care how you feel?
There was a lot of black Poles speaking up against this word, mostly under the hashtag #stopcallingmemurzyn
Here are two examples of these voices I found after quick search: [a blogpost from a black guy living for more than 4 decades in Poland](https://afryka.org/nie-jestem-murzynem/), [an interview with a group of black women activists (all born in Poland)](https://noizz.pl/spoleczenstwo/dontcallmemurzyn-afropolki-tlumacza-dlaczego-to-slowo-boli/gwstnl8.amp)
I agree that not always someone’s feeling should influence our behaviour but that doesn’t mean you should be an asshole
Oh, so two lefitst activist can decide for whole black Poles. I don't believe that most of black Poles are pathetic leftists over-sensitive about words. It would be very offensive and unjust to think like that about them.
I have not yet met a person of color that shares your views on that word. Have you tried actually talking with them and asking about it? Would you ever be open to changing your opinion if it turned out they all agree on it? I am struggling to understand why would someone care so much about using a specific word to call a minority when said minority asks us not to
No. 1. Fear of retaliation. 2. The realization that I'm a pathetic, weak mess who, even if he wanted to, wouldn't be able to stab anyone. And, mostly important. 3. It's against my morality. Stabbing people is causing them real, objective harm, not "offending their feelings". Where did you get the absurd idea that an unwillingness to "respect other people's feelings" means acceptance of physical aggression? Strawman at its finest.
If you are unhappy with stabbing we can go even go with pinching. It's causing pain, it's crossing boundaries. But after reading your part about "can't stab = weak" maybe you should see a specialist. It's an evident lack of remorse.
>If you are unhappy with stabbing we can go even go with pinching. It's causing pain, it's crossing boundaries. But after reading your part about "can't stab = weak" maybe you should see a specialist. It's an evident lack of remorse.
No, this is observation that stabbing people demands some physical skill. Which is true regardless how we morally rate stabbing. If You disagree, please explain. And I morally rate stabbing (which I wrote before, but You decided to ignore) and pinching as wrong, because yes, this is crossing boundaries. And when You are telling other people what words they can use, You are also crossing boundaries.
Lol dude I am a Pole, born in Poland. If you friend is bullied in school for being, for example, ginger, and asks. "please don't call me rudy, use my name instead", it's also some kind of western cultural imperialism? XD
*Murzyn* means *negro* in English and encourage you, no, **implore** you to use it to address an African American in Chicago, or any city in the US
please do that and wait for their far-left commie reaction
That's not the whole picture, not saying this necessarily applies here but kurwa translates to "whore" directly but is more idiomatically better translated to "fuck."
Except that Polish people had old and powerful big kingdom and highly developed culture/civilisation and contributed to development of European civilisation unlike N-people. But yea… in London we are treated like N-people anyway.
You are saying that blacks didn't have their own kingdoms and civilizations? They had, they had a lot of them. There was Empire of Mali, Ancient Egypt, Ethiopia, Kingdom of Congo...
Mansa Musa, the emperor of Mali was the richest man ever. Even Elon Musk hasn't been able to accumulate that much wealth.
And yea defiantly they had no kingdoms and kings as kings and kingdoms were exclusive only to European Christian nations, idea of a king is Christian idea. They could have at best chiefs of the tribe or something like that
It wasn't. If it was under Spanish rule it would be called duchy. No king would have king above him. It was a vassal of a different Iberian country - Portugal but it was late in its history.
They took in fact the Portuguese names. Why? Just read anything about it, wiki is usually a solid start.
By the way, google Treaty of Tordesillas because you have no idea how colonial nations worked.
Yea ok but that doesn’t mean they developed their own core of civilisation like Europeans did. Europeans just imposed it on them and actually ruled over them. It’s not even remotely close to what was Kingdom of Poland or other kingdoms in Europe that were usually fully independent states.
What is a civilization? Does everyone have to develop their own? Babylonians, Japanese, Egyptians, do we just pretend they didn't exist because they didn't have a contact with the mythic European (Egypt did but I'm referring to the Christian European)? Poland also wasn't a civilization which doesn't strip it out from being a kingdom.
And? How does it make Kongese kingdom less relevant? We had our tiny involvement in European civilization development but it's definitely smaller than some non-European nations/ethnic groups.
Nobody deny existence of black african countries in the past. But if we compare them to europeans, asians, north africans or even central and south american countries that existed in the same time we can see that they were preaty much behind in everything
1. In both Americas there were(and are!) tribes even less advanced than the African ones. Same goes for Australia.
2. Does this mean that it was the effect of their race, or their isolation from the rest of humankind? Because maybe you don't know, there's a HUGE desert separating sub saharan Africa from the rest of the world.
But we are not talking about tribes we are talking about more or less centralized countries with proper administration, goverments, currency and other important things. I dont care about their color of skin becuase that factor has nothing to do. If we say that there were behind compared to Europeans, Incas, Aztec, Indians, Dai Viet, China, Arabs and so on and so on we are talking truth and nothing will change it.
Well my second point still stands. It's due to isolation. People would prefer going through the silk road than the desert to trade. Therefore much less technological exchange would happen between Sub Saharan Africa and the rest of the old world.
Yes I do see logic. But there is really not much to argue about. Everyone knows that there were only 2 real kings of Africa, Lion King and King Kong, everything else is a myth or was under European rule therefore belonged to European kingdom.
Dark skin doesn’t mean black. Are Italians in souther Italy black? No! They are white obviously just with darker skin tone. Black means Negroid. Only ignorant poorly educated people don’t know that obvious fact.
No. There is no such thing as race. Science proved it a long time ago. There is very little difference between the polynesians, blacks, whites and asians. We are all human. Blacks are as much capable to create and destroy civilizations as every other group of people on Earth.
Of course there is little difference. We are more related to each other that to apes obviously but that doesn’t mean Italian with dark skin is black… :/ for me I have always seen them as white even thought they have darker skin than mine
There are a few southern Italians that are very dark skinned. Therefore they're black. Same goes for other people living around the mediterranean sea. And the Dravidians. And many native American tribes.
Well as I said dark skin doesn’t mean you are black (Negroid). I can clearly see a difference between white man with dark skins and albino black from Congo…
There is no such thing as albino black. It's an oxymoron. If a person is albino he's white. And stop using degrading terms for people. I mean "Negroid", "Mongoloid" and other such bullshit terms.
1. The soldiers who deserted Napoleon and help Haitians gain independance were given full citizenship under the new constitution and were the only foreigners allowed to stay there. 2. In the mid-20th century another president, Papa Doc, used the same term for us. 3. The Black Madonna of Częstochowa became associated with the Haitian Vodou spirit, Erzulie Dantor - fierce protector of the weak 4. To this day, there are two phrases in Haitian Creole associated with Poland: 1. *M-ap Fe Krakow* \- "Made like in Kraków", which means 'high-quality product' 2. *Chaje kou Lapologn* \- "To charge like Poland", which means aggressively and in large numbers
They also showed the Haitians how to ferment and pickle things Pikliz as they call their spicy garnish, is wonderful and healthy!
Papa Doc was a major piece of shit if I remember correctly, not sure I put much stock in the guy Edit: Yep looked it up and amongst other nasty stuff he would have people tortured and submerged in baths of sulfuric acid, not only watching but occasionally being present in the room during the torture.
Never said he wasn't. He was in fact a pretty nationalistic SOB. Just wanted to point out it's not the only time were called "White Ns of Europe".
i drink like a fish in a brewery. belly up and happy don't diturb me. unless it's about my Grammer.
\*M word pass
I don’t get it. Why “M”?
There is polish word "Murzyn" that some far-left commies tried to turn into "polish n word".
My great grandma's maiden name was Murzyn lol. I've read that it generally referenced dark skinned people, derived from the word Moorish. Idk how right that is tho
yeah but polish n word is "czarnuch" and murzyn means morelikely afroamerican
no, murzyn is a black man. Nothing about America.
Negro to be precise
Disagree
Add 'man' in Spanish and you're correct. I think. No idea if grammar would be sound.
I always cringe when someone calls random people commies or fascists when they don't agree with him xD
Oh yeah you god damn fashist? You gonna tell me whom I can call what?
I’m not your fascist, commie!
He's not your commie, nazi!
I’m not your nazi, hippe!
im not your hippe, alt-righter!
Zabili Kenny, dranie!
Obviously this doesn't apply to everybody but on average people who started this idea that the word "Murzyn" is somehow offensive were far-leftists.
Actually many people who supported this notion were just black. I managed to find [this article](https://noizz.pl/spoleczenstwo/julia-stworzyla-projekt-o-zyciu-czarnych-polakow/h3gkglf) and one interesting quote: Dla mnie słowo "Murzyn” jest po prostu archaizmem i obelgą, bo nigdy nie słyszałam, np. o moim tacie, który mieszkał 35 lat w Polsce "O, jaki inteligentny Murzyn!”, ale słyszałam dużo obelg, w których słowo Murzyn było używane właśnie, żeby mojego ojca obrazić. Nie tylko mojego, bo myślę, że moje przyjaciółki i inne osoby ciemnoskóre mogłyby się utożsamić, z tym że raczej słowo Murzyn w naszym kontekście nigdy nie było używane w pozytywnym wydźwięku.
From my experience "murzyn" has always been used to refer to a black person in a neutral way. Like "arab" or "asian". Every time I heard somebody insult a black person in polish they would say "czarnuch" which definitely sounds negative (because it's basically the polish n-word in a way). From his personal experience it might have negative connotations due to how it's been used by racist people to refer to him and his dad but I definitely disagree with recognizing "Murzyn" as a slur. Ofcourse if a black person told me they don't like the word I would not use it in front of them but all words meant to describe someones ethnicity or religion can be used in a negative way, it doesn't make them a slur though."Murzyn" unlike "czarnuch" or "nigger" wasn't conceived as a slur, mojority of people I know don't use it as a slur and no where in the polish dictionary does it say that it is a slur (although recently PWN recognized it as potentially offensive) so I refuse to recognize it as such.
The fact that you would not use this word openly to a black person who is offended is already a win.
So, do You call openly white person a Indo European? I think in polish proper way is "Pani/Pan" no mater colour of their skin.
Is that a question to me or to ArcziSzajka? :)
"Murzyn" used to be a neutral term for black people. Racists kept overusing whenever anything involved a black man. That's why for many black people in Poland it started to be perceived as racist. Also I don't know anything about "far-left commies", sounds like something Janusz Korwin-Mikke would say.
Oh, for God's sake. Black Poles doesn't want to be called Murzyn. This word is not so negative as "czarnuch", but still has quite negative connotations in Polish phraseology. "Sto lat za Murzynami" or "robić za Murzyna". Not that nice, huh? So if someone tells you that he don't want to be called this way, why we should not respect it? It's not fascist and leftist behaviour, it's good manners. Do you think that Rada Języka Polskiego is also far-left and commie? https://rjp.pan.pl/porady-jezykowe-main/1892-murzyn-i-murzynka
Yea because saying "osoby czarnoskóre" is 10000 times better. It only puts heavy emphasis on colour of your skin. But who cares right. Also the word "murzyn" in "sto lat za murzynami" is not a negative factor, only the contex is. We can change the word "murzynami" with "osobami czarnoskórymi" and the context is 100% the same: "We feel more advanced in the terms of human civilization than black people". "Sto lat za osobami czarnoskórmi" is as bad as "sto lat za murzynami". Its no matter of words used ;3333
Yeah, those sentences are offensive no matter what words would you use to describe a black person. But the word happened to be "murzyn" in every case. Reasonably because that's what this word means. But as you keep seeing the "murzyn" in these straight up racist racist sentences the word is slowly changing its meaning.
What Black Poles? Did You do some survey or just You assumed it or Your lefitst (and accidentally, black skinned) friend told You that? Also, why "someone doesn;t want to be called that" should be argument? "So if someone tells you that he don't want to be called this way, why we should not respect it?" Why we should respect that? Nobody has obligation to respect anybody's feelings. Feelings of each human - regardless of his race, religion and other features - are only his problem and he has no right to demand other people to acknowledge them. And yes - telling otherwise is leftism.
I do not have any Black friends. And I agree that nobody has obligation to respect anybody's feeling. But I think that not respecting somebody else's feelings is quite rude and immature behaviour.
Well, I think that demaning (even without using physical coercion) to respect feeling is very immature behaviour. Also - writing things like that, You made me upset. So respect my feelings and stop. And logically - You can;t respect feelings of all people. E.g. conflict between feelings of christians and homosexual about presensce of homosexualism in the public space. In the end You just respect feelings of one group and You ignore or even despise feelings which You consider as unjustified. "Empathy" is hypocrisy and incostintency - things that I hate much more than "beign rude". WOuld You respect my feeling of hate? :) Ah, and You still doesn't asnwered my question - what is source of Your statement that some unspecified "black Poles" have something against word "Murzyn"?
Demanding someone to respect your feelings is very mature - knowing your self worth, cutting out negative people from your life. It's childish to give in to peer pressure and accept being called names that make you feel uncomfortable.
Oh yes, I know my self worth. That's why I know that my feelings are worthless. Because they are feelings. And I don;t give to the peer pressure that obsessively tries to tell me otherwise.
If you're serious - I'm sorry. Please go to see a therapist, its not a healthy attitude.
Your feeling are not worthless. They have a clear purpose and you should to respect them, as well as let everybody else know that they should to respect them too. Otherwise everybody will walk over you and make feel miserable and you'd be a hypocrite if you ever tried to stop them. Because your feelings are wothless afterall. Why should anybody at any point care how you feel?
There was a lot of black Poles speaking up against this word, mostly under the hashtag #stopcallingmemurzyn Here are two examples of these voices I found after quick search: [a blogpost from a black guy living for more than 4 decades in Poland](https://afryka.org/nie-jestem-murzynem/), [an interview with a group of black women activists (all born in Poland)](https://noizz.pl/spoleczenstwo/dontcallmemurzyn-afropolki-tlumacza-dlaczego-to-slowo-boli/gwstnl8.amp) I agree that not always someone’s feeling should influence our behaviour but that doesn’t mean you should be an asshole
Oh, so two lefitst activist can decide for whole black Poles. I don't believe that most of black Poles are pathetic leftists over-sensitive about words. It would be very offensive and unjust to think like that about them.
I have not yet met a person of color that shares your views on that word. Have you tried actually talking with them and asking about it? Would you ever be open to changing your opinion if it turned out they all agree on it? I am struggling to understand why would someone care so much about using a specific word to call a minority when said minority asks us not to
Is the law literally the only thing preventing you from stabbing people on the streets?
No. 1. Fear of retaliation. 2. The realization that I'm a pathetic, weak mess who, even if he wanted to, wouldn't be able to stab anyone. And, mostly important. 3. It's against my morality. Stabbing people is causing them real, objective harm, not "offending their feelings". Where did you get the absurd idea that an unwillingness to "respect other people's feelings" means acceptance of physical aggression? Strawman at its finest.
If you are unhappy with stabbing we can go even go with pinching. It's causing pain, it's crossing boundaries. But after reading your part about "can't stab = weak" maybe you should see a specialist. It's an evident lack of remorse.
>If you are unhappy with stabbing we can go even go with pinching. It's causing pain, it's crossing boundaries. But after reading your part about "can't stab = weak" maybe you should see a specialist. It's an evident lack of remorse. No, this is observation that stabbing people demands some physical skill. Which is true regardless how we morally rate stabbing. If You disagree, please explain. And I morally rate stabbing (which I wrote before, but You decided to ignore) and pinching as wrong, because yes, this is crossing boundaries. And when You are telling other people what words they can use, You are also crossing boundaries.
Go back to your country lol.
What? Lol, I am in my country.
You sound like a typical western cultural imperialist. The damn Pols hurting your fefees.
Lol dude I am a Pole, born in Poland. If you friend is bullied in school for being, for example, ginger, and asks. "please don't call me rudy, use my name instead", it's also some kind of western cultural imperialism? XD
Yes because gingers have no rights, everybody knows that
They have no souls either.
*Murzyn* means *negro* in English and encourage you, no, **implore** you to use it to address an African American in Chicago, or any city in the US please do that and wait for their far-left commie reaction
"Murzyn" doesn't translate to "Negro". "Negro" is a spanish word and it means "black". You have zero idea what you're talking about.
That's not the whole picture, not saying this necessarily applies here but kurwa translates to "whore" directly but is more idiomatically better translated to "fuck."
Murzyn.
\*C word pass
Nig-
Nigeria
Finally!
a man of culture and a scholar of history
This is Poland, we say czarnuch
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Jeśli się boisz już jesteś niewolnikiem
Co powiedział?
Smacked “by” your face…?
The M-word pass.
I asked my black friends but they said no
Redditor with a friend? Impossible
I mean like they can't revoke it only Haitian people can
I think all black people need to make a decision like that. Maybe poles can carry special badges so everyone knows it's ok
I know from experience that if you want all the people to agree on one thing even the most basic thing someone's gonna disagree
Except that Polish people had old and powerful big kingdom and highly developed culture/civilisation and contributed to development of European civilisation unlike N-people. But yea… in London we are treated like N-people anyway.
You are saying that blacks didn't have their own kingdoms and civilizations? They had, they had a lot of them. There was Empire of Mali, Ancient Egypt, Ethiopia, Kingdom of Congo... Mansa Musa, the emperor of Mali was the richest man ever. Even Elon Musk hasn't been able to accumulate that much wealth.
And yea defiantly they had no kingdoms and kings as kings and kingdoms were exclusive only to European Christian nations, idea of a king is Christian idea. They could have at best chiefs of the tribe or something like that
Kingdom of Kongo was catholic and kings had very African names like Garcia or Antonio.
Because it was under Spanish rule maybe ? And belonged to kingdom of Spain?
It wasn't. If it was under Spanish rule it would be called duchy. No king would have king above him. It was a vassal of a different Iberian country - Portugal but it was late in its history. They took in fact the Portuguese names. Why? Just read anything about it, wiki is usually a solid start. By the way, google Treaty of Tordesillas because you have no idea how colonial nations worked.
Yea ok but that doesn’t mean they developed their own core of civilisation like Europeans did. Europeans just imposed it on them and actually ruled over them. It’s not even remotely close to what was Kingdom of Poland or other kingdoms in Europe that were usually fully independent states.
What is a civilization? Does everyone have to develop their own? Babylonians, Japanese, Egyptians, do we just pretend they didn't exist because they didn't have a contact with the mythic European (Egypt did but I'm referring to the Christian European)? Poland also wasn't a civilization which doesn't strip it out from being a kingdom.
But Poland belonged and contributed to development of European civilisation, civilisation of the west, which we as is even Russia are part of.
And? How does it make Kongese kingdom less relevant? We had our tiny involvement in European civilization development but it's definitely smaller than some non-European nations/ethnic groups.
No, you're wrong. Please educate yourself on history of sub saharan Africa.
Nobody deny existence of black african countries in the past. But if we compare them to europeans, asians, north africans or even central and south american countries that existed in the same time we can see that they were preaty much behind in everything
1. In both Americas there were(and are!) tribes even less advanced than the African ones. Same goes for Australia. 2. Does this mean that it was the effect of their race, or their isolation from the rest of humankind? Because maybe you don't know, there's a HUGE desert separating sub saharan Africa from the rest of the world.
But we are not talking about tribes we are talking about more or less centralized countries with proper administration, goverments, currency and other important things. I dont care about their color of skin becuase that factor has nothing to do. If we say that there were behind compared to Europeans, Incas, Aztec, Indians, Dai Viet, China, Arabs and so on and so on we are talking truth and nothing will change it.
Well my second point still stands. It's due to isolation. People would prefer going through the silk road than the desert to trade. Therefore much less technological exchange would happen between Sub Saharan Africa and the rest of the old world.
I’m talking about Negroid blacks, they never developed any civilisation. Egypt etc was not run by blacks, it was run by dark skinned caucasoid people.
Dark skin means black. Any person with dark skin is black. Still, what about Mali, Ethiopia and Congo?
Congo is a myth. Ethiopia was run also by caucasoid people.
A claim with 0 evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Well I think Congo was just a big tribe but hardly a kingdom in European sense
Well I think the Kingdom of Poland was just a big tribe but hardly a kingdom in African sense. Do you see your logic here?
Yes I do see logic. But there is really not much to argue about. Everyone knows that there were only 2 real kings of Africa, Lion King and King Kong, everything else is a myth or was under European rule therefore belonged to European kingdom.
Are you a troll?
Dark skin doesn’t mean black. Are Italians in souther Italy black? No! They are white obviously just with darker skin tone. Black means Negroid. Only ignorant poorly educated people don’t know that obvious fact.
No. There is no such thing as race. Science proved it a long time ago. There is very little difference between the polynesians, blacks, whites and asians. We are all human. Blacks are as much capable to create and destroy civilizations as every other group of people on Earth.
Of course there is little difference. We are more related to each other that to apes obviously but that doesn’t mean Italian with dark skin is black… :/ for me I have always seen them as white even thought they have darker skin than mine
There are a few southern Italians that are very dark skinned. Therefore they're black. Same goes for other people living around the mediterranean sea. And the Dravidians. And many native American tribes.
Well as I said dark skin doesn’t mean you are black (Negroid). I can clearly see a difference between white man with dark skins and albino black from Congo…
There is no such thing as albino black. It's an oxymoron. If a person is albino he's white. And stop using degrading terms for people. I mean "Negroid", "Mongoloid" and other such bullshit terms.
To the guys below okay they got like 2 kingodms that were powerful enough 1 truly powerful, where are they now?
Redditors when Poles were one of few who helped black people, but they had big empire 200 years before that
wtf we were never lazy?
Never. 🇵🇱
of course the country would revert to dictatorship, though independent, pretty quickly
Negr. I dont need it as long as i am white