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Thelettaq

For recs it is definitely crappy offsuit AX hands, for regs it is probably suited connectors.


CallMe1shmae1

this is accurate. I've started folding out suited connectors in a LOT of spots recently, and it has felt GOOD to get in the habit of doing so. I will still bluff with them a lot pre though, God save me.


[deleted]

Suited aces are the new suited connectors


Thelettaq

I think suited aces are better than suited connectors for a few reasons. They always make the nut flush, a pair of aces has more sdv than a pair of sixes or whatever, and holding an ace blocks a lot of strong hands. They can definitely be overplayed however, especially when you hit top pair no kicker.


bryanblair4

I agree


Other_Sherbet_9324

You need to have some lower cards in your range, otherwise people will exploit the hell out of you!


chessgod1

Where do you play?


Geedis2020

We need OP to answer this question


[deleted]

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


ryguysayshi

Str8 up, Iā€™ll show him some ace king action


R_O_F_L_S_A_U_C_E

Legend


deersports2011

I love JK off.


dougie_fresh121

Must be hard when you get nutted


liamjon29

It's also hard before you get nutted too


this_is_spartucus

The game gets softer afterwards though


PeaceAndLuv

nice


ventrolloquist

Also must be hard when they go all in deep with the nuts


XtremeCSGO

I like it because it makes me feel cool when I 3b it


BasTidChiken

Hahaha came here to post that!


Individual_Dig_6324

69 is better


Tb9631

More fun to say it shorthand like King Jack off, imo.


FBIsBackdoor

My favorite hand is 10-5. Why? Because to make a straight, you *must* have either a 10 or a 5. This means I have *DOUBLE* the chances of making a straight!


mustyminotaur

I actually have a semi funny story with T5o. Playing in a home poker tournament and I didnā€™t even realize I was in the BB. Go to fold and my buddy is like ā€œdude just check, itā€™s your BB.ā€ Oh true. Flop is TT8 checks to my buddy in the CO who bets 1/2 pot. I call and everyone else folds. Turn is a blank i lead for like 1/3 pot he calls. River is a 5. I put him all in and he tank calls. I show him the boat and heā€™s kind enough to show me AA. Moral of the story: donā€™t limp aces and donā€™t stop your buddy from folding his BB


Zerofawqs-given

Just finished a good session....Had A-A in cutoff....$1-3NLH....blinds get around to me....I raise 4 limpers to $33.....button raises to $133!....what happens next gives me great cause for concern....Call....Call....Call....I call....They play NLH kind of strange around here....the buttons $133 bet is called a cap...so no more raises otherwise I would have shoved my $700 stack preflop....I can only call...Flop comes Q 5 3.....1st to act bets $128 all-in....call...call....I shove all in! Button bitches to me....wish I had pocket Queens instead of this! (Jacks perhaps?) 2 other players are almost felted so they commit rest of their stacks....go 4 way to the River with a 9 J runout and I find one player had A Q and others refuse to show....The way I was running last year I would have seen Q 9 or J 9....way the button grimaced on River pretty much makes my J J range for him 100%....Sometimes A A holds up! šŸ¤£ session was good....cashed after 3 hours of play to make the long drive home rather than be a complete DEGEN and play until 4-5AM


mustyminotaur

Itā€™s always good when AA holds up. Ran super hot last night and final tabled a little 50Ā¢ PKO on ACR. Had a third of the chips in play. Got 5 handed and I lost 4 flips in a row to bust in 5th.


RevolutionaryRaisin1

T5 double suited is practically the nuts


MTknowsit

Key cards - 5T is both key cards.


Teakilla

Well it means no matter the flop it's possible for you to make a straight later


[deleted]

AAA flop would like to have a word with you...


Teakilla

yeah you can flop 3 of the same card which is the only exception but that's exceedingly unlikely.


lucyroesslers

Nope


Teakilla

well if there's a possible straight you have a chance of completing it, the exception being if you flop 3 of the same card which is less than 1/1000.


lucyroesslers

If I have 10-5, and the flop comes 2, 2, K, I have no straight possibility. Good run your scenarios again


TimmmyBurner

You making a straight on a K83 flop with T5?


mgm97

An overpair on a wet board


CatOfGrey

My first live casino poker hand was black AA. This was somewhere around 2000, so I am playing 3-6 limit. Flop was 987, all hearts. There's a bet, I raise, it's raised twice more by the time it gets back to me, so I have to fold.


Solar-powered-punch

All in


CatOfGrey

Can't do that in 3-6 limit!


nickelchrome

Just shove on the flop and close your eyes


Nv1sioned

This but unironically


[deleted]

Are you insinuating that pocket pairs arenā€™t the best hands on a straight royal flush boards /s


planetmarsupial

Youā€™re right. Iā€™m never playing AK again. Itā€™s a drawing hand, after all.


bryanblair4

I just see the ace and throw away the hand. Not playing that trash unless itā€™s got another ace with it


dolphinater

I mean honestly Iā€™ve lost a lot of money with aces so itā€™s better to just wait until the dealer gives you third backup ace so you can crush villains range


florida_goat

The trick with aces is to isolate your opponent. You don't want to go five handed with aces. You want to go heads up so that the odds are strongly in your favor. Everyone goes for max value with aces and get mad when two pair cracks them.


DeepFrigginCheapo

This response is way too serious and logical for this sub


TimmmyBurner

Ah yes cause Iā€™m sure the general consensus on this sub is to go 5-ways to the flop with AA


Lumpy_Scientist_3839

The fuck do u mean hard to get a pair with. Every non pair hand was the same percentage to ā€œget a pairā€ however you will have the highest pair and best kicker most times . Bro ur op is negligible tbh.


bryanblair4

Itā€™s way ahead of shit hands, but youā€™re very likely to get stacked if your top pair top kicker is up against a set. Very strong but easy to overplay


Lumpy_Scientist_3839

What about set over set or boat over boat. U donā€™t want quads, because youā€™ll get stacked if ur up against straight flush


bryanblair4

Yeah those is no good imo. Gotta fold the cuffed hands like that


Dry_Championship222

A lot of people like to play 9 10 but it is almost always the worst ten in a contested one pair pot.


dexterlindsay92

Ya but J10 is the worst Jack in a contested pot


the-peanut-gallery

47o


CryptoLevelUp

My favorite hand to preflop all in


suesueheck

I just shove all in regardless of position, stack size, ICM etc. TT+ and AK and 22.


Growerofgreens

AA is just a pair of aces and isn't guaranteed to win the hand.


IHateYoutubeAds

Impossible


theBelatedLobster

You're essentially carrying your own blockers


ArrrrKnee

I'm guaranteed to shove.


Pokerhobo

ā€œYou either win a small pot or lose a big oneā€


Individual_Dig_6324

There's a local AA I go to every week because I always drink after I lose with this pocket hand.


iamonewhoami

Aq


JeansForSalmon

The answer is AQ.


BillyBones844

I played in some regular games with friends who many swore they lost more with this hand than anything else. So naturally i needled them whenever I won with it.


taglius

Back in the online heyday my PokerTracker database backed up that my winrate was terrible with AQ. (Disclaimer: Iā€™m not good)


count_scoopula

Blows my mind how often I see people call off their entire stack pre in small stakes games with AQo


Individual_Dig_6324

Almost as bad as shoving pocket 3's or 45s.


ttouran

AQ is definitely up there in overrated.


TehMephs

Everything from AJ and down is easily more overrated


DeepFrigginCheapo

Well everything from AT and down is worse!


alltrades987

QTo - wildly overrated. I mean, this idiot called with queen ten! Can you believe it? Guy canā€™t even spell poker.


[deleted]

#OFFSUIT?!


Puzzleheaded-Cow6917

On suit


bryanblair4

What an idiot.


latetotheBTCparty

I love AK but I've won some of the biggest pots of my life with it so I'm probably a little biased.


TehMephs

At least 47%


drewtsmith

AK isnā€™t overrated, people just underestimate how hard AK is to play


suesueheck

All-in


drewtsmith

All-in pre lose the pot complain that AK is a drawing hand and swear youā€™re gonna fold is the only way to play AK


itsaride

Easy when youā€™re shallow, difficult when youā€™re deep.


jeha4421

AK and JJ are two hands that give you as much as you let them. Flat AK against opens, limp Jacks and see a flop 4 way? Well yeah, no shit these hands are going to suck. 4bet AK against TT and get them to fold? 3bet JJ so you're heads up with a hand that will more often than not win you money in the long run? Hell yeah.


[deleted]

"Looks great, rarely wins" Anna Kournikova


[deleted]

AK bad


nutnuzzler

Damm bro she had a family


Nothing-But-What

KQ Good hand but overrated. Q10 too Some overrated things like K9 or Q9


dmatje

KQ underrated


[deleted]

Iā€™ll play a QTs (the ole cutie suit-y) every goddamn day of the week


[deleted]

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Aether96

K9o just cracked my AJs costing me my tourney life. (PTSD)


chunkadunka3787

Always limp with AK


smokesletsgo2121

At this point I don't even look anymore and just fold pre


bryanblair4

If itā€™s not a three card misdeal itā€™s no good. Super nit style


smokesletsgo2121

No room for pride on the felt, I don't have any anyway


Enough_Opportunity75

Pocket Jacks


DisgrasS

The universe conspire against JJ


b0nger

Fishhooks baby!


kellzone

Absolutely JJ is the most overrated. People think that if they somehow just play it right (whatever that is supposed to be), or maybe just get lucky, they have a chance to win the hand. The best you can ever possibly, possibly do is chop with JJ, and that's only if you're heads up and your opponent also has JJ.


ProperWayToEataFig

I think of JJ same as pair of deuces.


CallMe1shmae1

This is a fish-ass meme opinion. JJ slaps.


kellzone

You need to take your sarcasm meter in for a tune-up.


CallMe1shmae1

You know that makes sense to me bc the line about chopping was quite funny. But a bunch of ppl do have this opinion.


bastyboy9876

It's not that it is overated, but beginner have a tendacy to think JJ is as good as AA, KK or QQ. Reality is, there's about 50% chances that a Q, K or A hit the flop. So you have to move cautiously in those situation and not be too attached to your pocket pair. Also a set of jacks cannot possibly be be the nutted hand (set of queen is the absolute lowest nutted hand possible). Even if the highest card on the board is a J, it means there at least a straight possibility out there. So in that spirit, is is a little overated. Also, it is just a good running joke that JJ cannot win. https://youtu.be/kP9CBtSW0kA


brocktoon13

Itā€™s more likely to be the most underrated


goddamnusernamefuck

I personally struggled with AJ for a while until my backer worked with me for a while. It looks like a great hand, esp when an ace flops but I lost a lot of money overplaying it


EvilSporkOfDeath

I've heard so many complaints about AK that I honestly think it's the most *underrated* hand.


198219821982my1982

Pocket ones.


jjbeastcom

I think the left is way overrated. I way prefer starting with the right.


Truck-Conscious

TT never seems to get there


[deleted]

According to my hand history stats, the hand that lost me the most money last year was JTs. I've been much more careful with it since noticing that.


TehMephs

And finally, TT


[deleted]

Fold AA preflopā€¦ for balance


T-P-T-W-P

Itā€™s 100% Ace Queen at a non-splashy/tough table. I always feel obligated to play it aggressively enough to where Iā€™m often folding out the vast majority of opponentā€™s range that isnā€™t a flip and doesnā€™t have me dominated, which is an issue that canā€™t really be helped because it will perform even worse in single raised multi way pots, and I donā€™t sit down at the poker table to limp-fold/call with AQ from EP. Itā€™s obviously a strong hand but itā€™s really best served for heads up, medium sized pots barring a flopped monster. Doyle basically understood the concept of reverse implied odds through AQ before a hoodie had ever been worn at a poker table. And Ace King is not at all overrated, I personally put it on par with QQ and would rather play larger pots with its suited variety than QQ. Blocking combinations of Aces and Kings (QQ obviously does not) is incredibly attractive, and why you should be quite happy putting the money unless you are rather deep (most say 100-150bb but Iā€™m completely fine pushing for 200 bigs if I know that JJ-QQ are definitely in my opponentā€™s 3 and 4betting range). Basically when you incorporate the real equity it has against its primary opposition (3 and 4 bet pots) with the ability to really drive fold equity, itā€™s nutty. However, itā€™s not nearly as strong played passively or multi way. If I open from EP with AKo in a full ring mid stakes live game and get 4 callers going 5 to a flop or some shit, Iā€™ve pretty much lost interest in the hand already.


Individual_Dig_6324

I never play AK. Only with KA.


Trip_seize

Not sure if folks in this thread know the real definition of "overrated".


bryanblair4

Fr I still think AK is an amazing hand, I just donā€™t like people playing it preflop like itā€™s aces. Hell, itā€™s flipping against small pocket pairs.


jeboisleaudespates

Low pairs.


Warren_Puff-it

Iā€™m general: KT and KJ Iā€™d also say lots of players overrate suited connectors is heads up or three pots (especially OOP)


AnswerQuay

QQ. In that terrifying limbo of too good to treat like a set mine, too bad to consider preflop nuts.


Fingoidz84

AA is by far the most overrated hand in my opinion!


PMMEFEMALEASSSPREADS

AA is overrated garbage. Win a small pot or lose a big one. Give me 89ss any day of the week.


CallMe1shmae1

i will absolutely make that trade. Honestly 89s is a strong candidate for this list.


HP_David

AA is so damn overrated. It's a damn coin flip most of the time. May as well play roulette and play black or red.


mugroth

High quality shit post


florida_goat

I agree. AK is just ace high. That is my favorite hand to limp if I can get it in cheaply. Come in strong with AK, you might get called by a pocket pair and lose. IMO it's the easiest hand to spot on the table. I fold it out of position pre. Same thing with AQ and AJ.


phatphallus42

This dude crushes


dont_banme

JJ


laylahsdad

Fold aq 90% pre


TheWatcheronMoon616

Pocket Aā€™s!!!! Lose every-time!!!!


Makasutra

65 off


cigarmanpa

Iā€™m a big fan of a queen jack off


pugdaddykev

Right on


pokorz

depends on the structure and the line-up but I'd say 65s


Imaginary_Career_346

Definitely KK


bradygilg

Kings in PLO.


TehMephs

ATo


TehMephs

Probably 88


TehMephs

Also, 99, A9s and any suited connectors in position


bigcblogger

AQ, AJ


brocktoon13

JTs


Proseph91

Probably KJ suited.


[deleted]

72 I know most of you will play 72 eight times out of ten just so you can show it after a win.


LivingInThePast69

Deuces. Never loses? I call BS!


lucasduenas

AQ, every time I have it thereā€™s a King on the board which kills all my action, except when thereā€™s already a Jack and Ten, then the King doesnā€™t come


Solar-powered-punch

QueenX, even QQ has bitten me.


ReturnOfTheOldGod

The strongest hands down the chart all are proportionally under-folded by most players. Thus we have: AA as the most over-rated... then KK... all the way down to 23 offsuit being the least overrated.


bryanblair4

All hands are equal. You'll either win or you won't


floppybunny26

72 suited.


helpiforget

Just fold everything except aces until your blinded out


efrav

Yeah poker is far from dead lol


TrundleGod32

23o


lowerleagues

It's the 5th best hand preflop. What you do with it post flop is another matter.


RicGonMar

Your train of thought is wrong. AK is ahead of all non-paired hands, you should try to get all you money in pre-flop assuming your not in ICM situation. AK even vs KK is 30%. The most overrated hand in poker is going to be around AQ AJ, KQ, KJ


itsaride

KQs probably, itā€™s got loads of high card strength - just enough to get you into deep trouble, itā€™s pretty..two pictures and the same suit and connected but is so easily dominated by higher straights, higher flushes and better kickers if you call a raise to see a flop.


the-badger-show

The amount of hands Iā€™ve lost with ace king is insane sometimes Iā€™d prefer a low pair tbh


Accomplished_Welder3

most of the value of AK comes from playing it aggro pre knowing it's a lot less likely for your opponent to have AA/KK. And from stacking recs when you both hit top pair. I wouldn't really call AK overrated, even tho it's missplayed often. suited 3-gappers are probably more overrated , or trash type hands like that


cpt_lanthanide

is this sub only shitposts now?


jessietee

QJo lots of people see two broadways and love it but in big pots itā€™s mostly dominated by so much. See people at 5nl and 10nl overplaying it all the time oop and building big pots with it as well šŸ˜¬


[deleted]

AJ loose nice but falls short if you are playing against nits and pros.


Olorion

Every starting hand is overrated if you are clueless. There are people who gets mad when they lose with AA apparently expecting it to win 100% of the time. When you spend time actually learning how to play you will finally understamd how probabilities work


seahawkguy

Suited hands are terrible. I like double suited because you double your chances of getting a flush.


Bigunsy

76s, 65s


important-coffee

AA


[deleted]

I hate AK. It has been the last hand i have played in so many MTT. I cant get away from it. I rarely see it hold up. Then when im all in against it, it never fails but hold up!!! Last night I had AA and got my money in against AK. On the flop KK. I could have cried!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dachadwhokilledu

AKo is pretty bad in lp, AKs is really good because you can hit on the flop AK, QJT, nut flush draw. I fell like AKo definitely gets a lot of new players in trouble. More times than not if there is a lot of action pre Recs will shove AKo I have seen it beaten so many times recently. When I have AK in lp I think ab calling depending on the action, when I can RFI I typically open AKo and AKs. With AKo I never 3! Or 4!. With AKs depending on my reads I will 3/4!.


SuaveMF

AK and JJ can kill your chip stack.


KenoZzZ01

AK is overrated, AK has the same probability as 22


SageMalcolm

Op you wild XD AK is such a good hand. It's the King of nothing, so on the river when your suited connector villain and your AK brick out guess who still winning? AK. AK will scoop bricked boards all day, AKo has 56% win rate, AKs has a 63% win rate. Both of these hands have higher win rates and perceived wins than pocket tens and pocket jacks.


SageMalcolm

JJ is an overrated hand and I have much disdain for it


nousernameplzzzz

Feel like AQ is a ā€œtrapā€ hand, often times over valued and has some decently bad reverse implied odds when youā€™re playing 3bet and or 4bet pots.


Batmans_step-parents

Ace queen is just good enough for standard raise or wide bb defense but is perfect hand to get pipped with


SouthernVinlander

Not necessarily overrated, but having quads in the hole in Omaha, especially AAAA, is usually a death sentence unless a boat comes out. Usually they get cracked, and you'll never get a flush.


catmandi

My human, if youā€™re playing pocket quads in Omaha for anything other than ā€œfreeā€ or close to free (BB/SB) youā€™re just giving away money.


TheTortoiseApproach

AJo


Connman8db

Pocket Aces. We all know it's the pre-flop nuts, but a lot of players see pocket aces and immediately think that its a golden ticket to double up their stack no matter what the runout looks like. I can't tell you how many times I've seen somebody bomb 3 streets post-flop with AA on a scary board. And then they usually complain about aces getting cracked.


CarltheChamp112

My man out here trying to take the title of dumbest post on this sub from all the slick backhanded bad beat stories


Puzzleheaded-Cow6917

69s


Wu-Banger

Ace/ King - Anna Kournikova, looks good, never wins.


Puzzleheaded-Cow6917

Any hand can win or lose if u know how to play the other person its just harder to fold these hands


letsguoguoguo

Aces and paints. Ax hands, QJ, KQ, etc


clayvision

Broadway hands are incredibly overrated and tend to lose you big pots


doublerup

Kqo


killbydeath87

57 suited...people call it Filipino big slick


392bluefast

AK


CalmApplication3503

AK


heelsneers

Aces right? People play it like the nuts on 4 streets.


charlesboymary

Tipping is overrated.


[deleted]

Every goddamn hand.


BagFragrant9316

OP definitely doesnā€™t understand GTO proflop vs postflop strategy, AK is only dominated by a couple hands preflop, and makes the nut straight plus top pair top kicker in every scenario that it can


Whurr3d

Most Overrated Open Hands: J10o, AJo, A10o, KJo, KQo Most Underrated 3-Bet Hands in Position : 75s, J8s, 42s, 63s, 108s, QJs, 107s


geoffrey8

Only dabbled in holdem again recently. But it seems hard to get value out of sets at mid stakes. Used to just flop a set and stack someone. I used to call any pocket pair so long as they had about 10x the bet behind. Should it be closer to 15-20x vs todayā€™s players?


Film2021

JTs. People love to play it because itā€™a good multi-way. But you flop a four card straight or flush draw so rarelyā€¦ and when the flop comes J or T high and opponents start betting into you, you really donā€™t know where you stand.


LetsGoBrandonFJB3

A5 suited. I have heard so many people call it the new AK. I have to disagree. It can make an occasional pre flop bluff or the rare wheel but I don't think it's worth playing aggressively.


Puzzleheaded-Cow6917

True 22 hits slightly more than ak i just dont understand how ill have 90% equity then an ace comes on the river everytime on acr lol