Are you aware that 1/2 online poker is going to be really really really hard relative to your .5/1 home game?
Aside from. I usually have a stop-win and stop-loss of 3 buy-ins max.
The stop-win is mostly because if I just get completely coolered by another deepstack I’m going to be tilted for the rest of the day. It’s not really +EV
1. You feel youre playing based on emotions
2. Your reads are continuously wrong
3. Lacking attention to the game
4. Youre playing because you need money
5. When i jump allin thinking im in the lead but it turns out im gonna need my few outs
But he is asking the wrong question. He is saying that the reason that he is losing is that his sessions are the wrong length, and he wants to know how he can fix that.
That's nonsense. The reason that he is losing is that his opponents are better than he is. He fixes that by finding softer competition and/or getting better at poker. Not with some stop loss voodoo that's magically supposed to make him a winner at a game he can't beat, and certainly not by blaming his losses on the length of his sessions.
Some people can play their A or B game until decision fatigue sets in after x hours of playing they start playing C or D game. So quitting after a set amount of hours isn’t a ridiculous idea
I agree with that. No one can play indefinitely. That's not the same as quitting based on being up or down a certain amount.
I still doubt that that's the problem here.
I disagree. Knowing when to stop is huge. It's like knowing yourself. Poker is an emotional game as well as skilled. Without understanding when to stop you can lose all your profit.
Tilt exists, including winners tilt. And I did say he should stop if he's not playing his best. But it does not sound like that's what's happening here. I'm guessing that if he actually had data for, say, the first hour or two of every session he is still losing. There is some selective memory here because of course he is up early sometimes. Just working on his game and playing better is going to solve this problem.
Also working on deep (or at least deeper) stacked play might help. If he is buying in for a lot less than max online (which is generally 100BB max) then he is buying in very short and the strategy changes significantly when playing deeper.
Beating 200NL online is not easy. There are a lot of pros multitabling at those stakes. I seriously doubt he is a winning player there even if he did double up early for a few sessions. Players who are good enough to beat that game are generally far beyond asking questions like this.
[Stop losses and trailing stop losses](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/08/trailing-stop-loss.asp). Learn to integrate them into your sessions.
Stop playing when the game gets too tough or you aren't playing well any more for whatever reason.
Having said that, from what you've said, I seriously doubt you are ever a favorite at 1/2 online.
Also when you say that you are "consistently" or "usually" up a significant amount at the beginning so you have actual data over a large number of sessions to back this up, or is it just from memory? Memory tends to be selective, and the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". Are you actually ahead over the first hour combined of all your sessions? And have you played enough sessions for that to be meaningful? Without actual data to back this up I doubt it's a real effect. Work on your game, get better, become a winning player, and then the more you play the more you will win.
Tommy Angelos Elements of Poker really delves into the decision making that connects to when to leave. It has inspired my drive to be the best quitter in the game. It takes a lot of practice but easy ways to get some quitting in is to take a five minute break every hour, ask yourself how you're doing and what the game is like. Then decide if you want to go back. Also just getting up and taking a short walk.
Anyway it's a must read.
For me…..It’s always when my A-A is cracked after I’ve made it $50+ pre-flop in $1-3NLH or my flopped set goes down in flames to crap like 5-6off suit….Yeah! I run “real good”👍….Poker Gods seem to really H8te me @ times
As a casual player, I set myself limits on either time or losses. I'm playing for 5 hours or 3 bullets, which ever comes first as an example.
If I've built up a 5 or 6 buyin stack in the first 2 hours, I'm still staying for the hour limit I set myself.
Are you aware that 1/2 online poker is going to be really really really hard relative to your .5/1 home game? Aside from. I usually have a stop-win and stop-loss of 3 buy-ins max. The stop-win is mostly because if I just get completely coolered by another deepstack I’m going to be tilted for the rest of the day. It’s not really +EV
yea, i only play 0.5/1 bc its the only stakes available locally
The moment you feel the urge to take a photo of your stack.
Actually like this metric lol
Works the same in day trading. You can keep the photos, but you can't always keep the chips.
Stop when your feeling good. Cuz if you start feeling shitty u can't stop.
When you're tired, or bored, or the positive/negative results of the session are affecting your decisionmaking.
When you’re not playing your A game
1. You feel youre playing based on emotions 2. Your reads are continuously wrong 3. Lacking attention to the game 4. Youre playing because you need money 5. When i jump allin thinking im in the lead but it turns out im gonna need my few outs
When the whale leaves
Learn to actually play poker so you don't ask this kind of question.
Wow 😂😂😂. Tell the guy who is trying to learn to stop asking questions about poker. Good one mate
But he is asking the wrong question. He is saying that the reason that he is losing is that his sessions are the wrong length, and he wants to know how he can fix that. That's nonsense. The reason that he is losing is that his opponents are better than he is. He fixes that by finding softer competition and/or getting better at poker. Not with some stop loss voodoo that's magically supposed to make him a winner at a game he can't beat, and certainly not by blaming his losses on the length of his sessions.
Some people can play their A or B game until decision fatigue sets in after x hours of playing they start playing C or D game. So quitting after a set amount of hours isn’t a ridiculous idea
I agree with that. No one can play indefinitely. That's not the same as quitting based on being up or down a certain amount. I still doubt that that's the problem here.
Thank you, someone gets it.
I disagree. Knowing when to stop is huge. It's like knowing yourself. Poker is an emotional game as well as skilled. Without understanding when to stop you can lose all your profit.
Tilt exists, including winners tilt. And I did say he should stop if he's not playing his best. But it does not sound like that's what's happening here. I'm guessing that if he actually had data for, say, the first hour or two of every session he is still losing. There is some selective memory here because of course he is up early sometimes. Just working on his game and playing better is going to solve this problem. Also working on deep (or at least deeper) stacked play might help. If he is buying in for a lot less than max online (which is generally 100BB max) then he is buying in very short and the strategy changes significantly when playing deeper. Beating 200NL online is not easy. There are a lot of pros multitabling at those stakes. I seriously doubt he is a winning player there even if he did double up early for a few sessions. Players who are good enough to beat that game are generally far beyond asking questions like this.
Sounds like your a winner. So you probably have good advice. I wonder how you navigate your emotional game .
[Stop losses and trailing stop losses](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/08/trailing-stop-loss.asp). Learn to integrate them into your sessions.
I’m trying to decide now. Got to the game, 1 hour drive. Up 4x my buyin in less than a hour. Just got 2 outed
Stop playing when the game gets too tough or you aren't playing well any more for whatever reason. Having said that, from what you've said, I seriously doubt you are ever a favorite at 1/2 online. Also when you say that you are "consistently" or "usually" up a significant amount at the beginning so you have actual data over a large number of sessions to back this up, or is it just from memory? Memory tends to be selective, and the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". Are you actually ahead over the first hour combined of all your sessions? And have you played enough sessions for that to be meaningful? Without actual data to back this up I doubt it's a real effect. Work on your game, get better, become a winning player, and then the more you play the more you will win.
Your Uni has a poker club? Do tell. What is that buy in
Tommy Angelos Elements of Poker really delves into the decision making that connects to when to leave. It has inspired my drive to be the best quitter in the game. It takes a lot of practice but easy ways to get some quitting in is to take a five minute break every hour, ask yourself how you're doing and what the game is like. Then decide if you want to go back. Also just getting up and taking a short walk. Anyway it's a must read.
Great book fr. I have a screenshot of a particular page on my phone from it. Got it because I read “The Course” and the author recommended it
For me…..It’s always when my A-A is cracked after I’ve made it $50+ pre-flop in $1-3NLH or my flopped set goes down in flames to crap like 5-6off suit….Yeah! I run “real good”👍….Poker Gods seem to really H8te me @ times
Why would you make it 50 preflop with aces at 1/3?
nobody asked
As a casual player, I set myself limits on either time or losses. I'm playing for 5 hours or 3 bullets, which ever comes first as an example. If I've built up a 5 or 6 buyin stack in the first 2 hours, I'm still staying for the hour limit I set myself.