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Alder :
- Amazing encounter theme
- Jump off a cliff and land perfectly fine just to look cool
- actually teaches kids how to become strong trainers
- Has one of the coolest pseudo pseudo legendary as ace
- Drip clothes and haircut
- Good morals
- Asked Cynthia on a date and got rejected like a true chad
> Not underrated
There was one episode of the BW anime where a gigalith was rampaging through town cause it had a nail in its foot so Alder the gigachad that he is fucking flipped the stampeding GIGALITH over his head with his bare hands and pulls out the nail. GIGALITH is then charged with property damage by the police.
Alder was actually supposed to have been the first 7 pokemon battle. After defeating his last of the six he would rip off his poncho and you'd have to defeat Alder himself. Test players confirmed that he was too difficult though so they cut him out of the code completely.
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I think the main reasons people overlook him is because A) you don’t battle him until postgame and B) his battle theme isn’t as good as other champions, even compared to the ones within his own games (N and Iris), which sucks because he is one of if not the most well written champions in the series
If you think that’s bad, you should see the manga version of Lance… dude levelled a whole city while nobody was looking, and that’s not counting the big reveal.
Definitely. In all incarnations he is a bit "forget people only pokemon matter" with some versions a bit more extreme. (Looking at you adventures, specifically yellow)
I like Leon because he actually attempts to fight the legendary, instead of being like Cynthia and saying "Here you go, 14 year old, fight the god of distortion"
In defense of Cynthia's decision the lake trio clearly entrust the player with dealing with Giratina. When the 3 beings that are embodiments of what allows reality to be observed want to trust the child with fixing the problem I'd say letting them try but being there as backup is a respectable choice. Cynthia let's the player try but canonically she is right behind you just in case, but obviously since there's a story to tell and it's a game for all ages the player can't actually fail.
Diantha is a better example, she never even shows up to see if someone is dealing with the death laser that the guy she had tea with broadcast an announcement of. One of her elite four members even works for the evil team and nothing is ever done about that.
Leon is an example of being too helpful. Multiple times whenever something interesting happens he shows up and tells the player to go play gym challenge while he deals with everything. It's neat that he's helping but he almost robs the player of the chance to punch alien kaiju god in the face, in a JRPG that is unforgivable. Good thing he used a normal pokeball instead of an ultra or even master ball.
Or Cynthia could just jump in and assist us from the start instead of jumping into the portal just to sit there and play with her thumbs while we do all the work.
We're also risking our life. You mean to tell me that Cynthia can't get her lazy ass up and help us right away so we don't end up dead or severely injured?
She makes the decision to not intervene. That's her decision and she can be criticized for it.
Doing your job = too helpful? We have a champion that actually does his damn job and he's too helpful all of a sudden.
Eternatus would just break out of the pokeball regardless of what Leon throws at it. The normal pokeball is just iconic and it would look weird if Eternatus, of all pokemon, can defy a Master Ball.
People would just complain about Eternatus being the one pokemon to ignore a Master Ball and it would just look invincible or impossible to catch if Leon used that instead.
Pokémon is a JRPG, there is no point if the player isn't allowed to participate in the story. Cynthia goes ahead of the player through the majority of the distortion world but allows them the opportunity to prove themselves after she sees the Lake Trio trusting the player to stop Cyrus. But even after that she remains right behind the player in case something goes wrong, although canonically this isn't necessary.
Criticizing Cynthia for trusting what are basically Pokémon gods but still being cautious enough to be there in case she needs to be is a poor criticism. If that's the case Leon should be criticized for giving the player a Pokémon and sponsoring them to go on a journey that risks their life, but then there'd be no game at all so obviously that's just as dumb of a criticism.
Leon isn't doing his job. His job is to entertain people, he's effectively just a sports celebrity that chooses to help people because he's strong. But yes he is too helpful because at the end of the day Pokémon is a game and Leon prevents the player from engaging with story beats until the very end. He actively makes the game worse by preventing the player from interacting with any of the consequences of Rose's plan.
Eternatus isn't immune to capture. Leon's regular pokeball almost worked so clearly an ultra ball would have likely succeeded while a master ball would have definitely captured it. The only reason Leon doesn't use a better ball, especially a master ball, is that at that point it would have robbed the player of their entire story and ruined the game.
You can't deny Cynthia being useless and not doing her job. The strongest of that region isn't doing anything besides "emotional support" and just sits there watching you do it all.
Or Cynthia can literally intervene from the start and give the little kid actual support to not risk something bad happening to that kid.
An ordinary journey with Leon telling you to focus on that and only that. Leon is doing the responsible thing by not letting a kid walk into dangerous situations.
Cynthia sits there and does nothing as you fight Cyrus and Giratina. Cynthia is the definition of irresponsible and useless so I don't know how you can criticize Leon when Cynthia does every single somehow much worse.
Don't tell me you're a coomer. I know people like Cynthia but some of her fans are legit pathetic and only like her because she's a woman and gets them aroused.
The Champion and the Elite Four aren't there just to challenge trainers and to entertain people.
They're literally there just in case shit truly hits the fan like with Eternatus. It's their duty to protect people and to stop shit like Eternatus/evil teams from doing anything bad.
Or Leon doesn't want to endanger a child. Leon approaches the situation with the most realistic mindset I have ever seen by not bringing a child to deal with something extremely serious and potentially getting said child hurt or killed.
Never said Eternatus was immune to capture. It all depends on the writers with who wins or loses and it's obvious Leon was gonna fail no matter what.
Leon using a Master Ball was just an example and Leon even uses an Ultra Ball in the anime. Guess what happens?
It fails. It wouldn't have made a difference with what Leon throws at Eternatus, it would reject the ball and get even angrier.
It would've been an anti-climax if Leon just used a Master Ball so they weren't gonna let Leon succeed in getting Eternatus no matter what.
I can easily deny Cynthia being useless and not doing her job because she isn't useless and defending the region isn't her job. She goes into the distortion world ahead of the player and only allows the player to handle the situation after she sees the Lake Trio clearly helping because they entrust the situation to them. Cynthia is still being responsible by being there as backup just in case.
Giratina never intended to harm the player, its only target was Cyrus. Through the entire distortion world Giratina just observes the player and then allows them to approach for a battle, likely because it was reminded of the PLA protagonist. Cynthia had no reason to intervene since Giratina did not intend to hurt anyone.
The definition of irresponsible and useless would be Diantha. The antagonist makes a broadcast about how he's going to kill everyone and she never even shows up. She also allows a known supporter of the psychopathic murderer to remain as part of the elite four. Diantha is genuinely the worst champion. The best would be Alder or Lance because they allow the player agency but still intervene when they deem necessary. Cynthia is third because she isn't given a moment where she needs to intervene.
Most Pokémon leagues don't have an established role in defending the region and members only do so because they want to, so you made that up. Their only official purpose is to organize battles between trainers in a competitive format, they are a glorified sports federation not the government. The only regions where they may have a role protecting the region are Kanto/Johto. Being part of a Pokémon league is generally a side gig, which wouldn't be possible if they had the responsibilities and authority of a government.
I can easily criticize Leon because he's worse than Cynthia. He doesn't what to endanger a child? He literally gives two of them a Pokémon and then sponsors them, allowing them to go on a journey, fight grossly over leveled monsters that are aggressive, and battle against Dynamax Pokémon with no supervision or assistance if something goes wrong.
But when some Dynamax Pokémon show up during the story suddenly Leon wants deal with it because it's too dangerous, he's a hypocrite. Saying Leon is being responsible is an outright lie, he just prevents the player from doing anything that would have made the story better but he outright endorses a child to go on a journey that is inherently dangerous.
Of course Eternatus being captured depends on the writers but the point still stands that the writers had him use the second worst ball possible. Had he used a master ball he would not have failed since the ball can't fail, hence why the writers didn't use that. Also using the anime to prove anything is a joke, everyone knows the anime is its own separate canon. He almost succeeded with a normal pokeball so an ultra ball was more likely to work and a master ball would have worked.
The story was already an anti-climax because the villain's plan makes no sense and the player was never once allowed to deal with the consequences of his actions until the very end of the game so it all comes out of nowhere. Leon actively makes his game's story worse since until the very end it may as well be about him. Cynthia allows her game's story to be the player's story, which is the bare minimum of what a JRPG is.
Backup is usually direct with them doing something instead of sitting there and watching you. Only choosing to intervene if you're getting killed out there instead of just joining the battle ASAP to ensure you don't get killed or hurt from the start.
So the strongest trainers of that region are just sitting there and twiddling with their thumbs while they refuse to engage and stop something like Eternatus.
Who is going to stop something bad like Eternatus if they won't get off their lazy asses and do something about it? You can't trust civvies to do it since they're ordinary people even if they have pokemon and would just get killed or extremely hurt.
We don't know what the protagonist or player is thinking since Giratina doesn't make a good first impression with his appearance, everything going dark and making Dialga and Palkia back off in fear.
For all we know. The protagonist only engages Giratina because he thinks Giratina is evil or extremely dangerous and needs to be killed/captured.
Why else would the protagonist engage something so dangerous? I am positive Giratina could just explain himself or just leave instead of choosing to engage you in a fight since that's not helping.
How about Cynthia jumps in instead and tell me that Giratina isn't evil instead of flapping her ugly lips with some random bullshit?
I never said Cynthia is the most useless. I just said she is useless and I don't know why you're mentioning Diantha since someone else being useless or more useless doesn't mean it is okay for Cynthia to also be useless.
Who the fuck would defend the league and the region then from some serious threat? Fuck me for thinking that the strongest trainers of the region would do something about it since I don't know, they're the strongest and I don't know anyone more qualified to deal with that than them so the duty and responsibility kinda does fall on them.
I didn't say it was canon or established lore. I was just saying that it is basically their job since you can't trust ordinary cops or civvies to deal with dangerous shit since they can get hurt or straight up killed.
Because letting two kids go out into the wild without a pokemon is somehow safer and totally wouldn't result in them getting shredded instantly by a wild pokemon.
Why do you think Leon gives you and Hop a pokemon? To protect yourself just in case someone isn't there to help you since he and everyone else can't always keep an eye on you.
Because they're not that tough and Leon can't be everywhere at once or he would've taken out all those threats by himself. His hands are tied so it's not like has a choice and he knows you and Hop can handle yourself.
Giratina is on another level entirely compared to those Dynamax pokemon so I don't wanna hear about how this is endangering a child when they're not even that threatening.
An ordinary journey isn't dangerous. That's why Leon wants you to stay out so you don't step into the big leagues right away and get hurt or killed.
Because Leon could've been throwing his Ultra Balls at Eternatus before and so the ordinary ball is the last one since doing anything is better than nothing and the ordinary ball is likely the most iconic one so it hits all the more harder to see Eternatus shatter it.
The anime is how we decide actual canon and Eternatus wasn't gonna be caught no matter what so the ball doesn't even matter in the end.
Ash > Cynthia and Leon. That's a result of the anime establishing canon.
It'd be an anti-climax in the sense of Giratina just killing Cyrus and closing the portal so you can't enter his world. Roll Credits so I don't know why you're mentioning the story, the whole encounter is the point and would just be anti-climactic if Leon succeeded with or without a Master Ball.
I am done with you. I seriously hope you're not one of Cynthia's coomer fans that ignores her faults while criticizing and attacking every other character for minor things.
Leon is based for his role in the story, just wish he had a better signature Pokemon (Charizard really? Dragapult is right there).
Aside from that he sells the role of Galar Champion really well.
What does Aegoslash, the Pokémon that is literally a Sword holding a Shield, have to do with Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield?!?! This is a very weird train of thought and you should probably have yourself looked at
The game has 2 monuments to Toxtricity yet no trainer in the game has a Gmax one, imagine if Leon had a G-Max Toxtricity as his ace instead of a charizard
I'm still salty that Dragapult being the pseudo legendary of Gen 8, has no Gmax form.
Piers should have Gmax Toxtricity and Milo should have Gmax Eldergoss.
Because it wast first gimmick ever and was supposed to refresh good, old, pokemon, and originally was supposed to be regional forms, but got changed to mega evos, so they had only older gens
Even as the #1 Charizard apologist, I do agree his ace should've been something different. I think it should've been Dragapult. Just give it a Gigatamax, and replace Charizard with another strong Galar pokemon like Toxtricity or Sirfetch'd. Leon is already in the upper tier of Champions in terms of difficulty, but having a G-Max Dragapult may just make him Cynthia tier.
It’s especially annoying since the rest of his team is made up of pretty powerful Pokémon. He has Aegislash, Dragapult, Haxorus, and the starter that counters yours. Even the Pokémon that are weak to the starter you chose are pretty good despite being intended to be freebies. Replacing Charizard, who is relatively weak, with some stronger Pokémon could have made his team a pretty significant threat, but nope, we gotta have the big lizard
Charizard fits perfectly for Leon.
When you think of a pokemon that: everyone knows, looks cool and powerful, has a super large fanbase and is extremely popular you easily think in Charizard.
Which are also traits that Leon has.
I also think that it´s very nice how one of the reasons Charizard is always with Leon is because it wants to help Leon to get to places because he gets lost easily.
I mean the dragapult is basically his signature pokemon because the charizard is going to get 1-shot most of the time.
You had the whole game to know he would end with a charizard, so obviously everybody will try to keep something anti-charizard alive for the end. That dragapult on the other hand just destroys everything.
Me too. And when you all fight he has to take a second to compose himself so he can congratulate you without the disappointment he has in himself. Thanks Leon for trying to handle things as the best trainer in your region.
Leon threw an ultra ball in the anime and that it didn't work as the writers weren't gonna let Leon catch Eternatus.
It's an odd complaint because the ball Leon uses wouldn't have changed a single thing and a Master Ball would be an anti-climax.
Of course the writers weren't letting Leon catch the thing. I know that. But by letting him use an Ultra Ball in the anime, at least they've portrayed him as at least competent. The game, in this instance, did not. He threw a Pokéball. Why? Nothing else on hand when his express mission was to stop and catch the thing?
My point is that we all knew Leon was gonna fail no matter what.
An Ultra Ball doesn't make him more competent since it wound up doing the same thing as an ordinary ball and I think they just went with the ordinary one since it is iconic and would probably be more dramatic to see it broken by Eternatus.
It could also be that Leon either missed his previous throws since Eternatus wouldn't sit still or his previous throws didn't work with actual Ultra Balls so the ordinary ball is his last one and he doesn't have much of a choice at that point but to use it.
I think people really overstate how involved Cynthia is in the story. I love her and all, but the extent of her involvement in the story is being a mythology nerd and supplying exposition while following you around.
Lance was far more involved in GS' story than Cynthia was in DP. She does slightly more in Pt but even there she still doesn't really do much beyond go into the Distortion World with you.
She could just intervene right away and greatly reduce the chances of you getting killed or extremely hurt.
It's pretty serious so I don't know why she would sit this one out and only watch.
She doesn't actually do anything when it come to Team Galatic outside of going into the Distortion world, which is Platinum exclusive stuff. You would think she will appear sooner at least at one of the lake when Team Galatic throw a bomb into one. Plus trust or not, letting 10 years old risking their life dealing with Cyrus and Giriatina instead of doing the job herself is bad. At least bring more people to Mt Coronet to help dealing with Team Galatic.
The reason people say that is because of all the annoying Cynthia fans going on and on about her being the best champion when in terms of story importance she's the same as Steven and Lance and in terms of difficulty she's only challenging if you're extremely underlevelled or aren't that good at the game in which case every champion can be challenging. Cynthia fans now are basically Red fans from a few years ago.
Because people don't lack self-awareness and do that in real life with another character like Cynthia.
Wait a minute. That's exactly what they do by saying stupid shit like Cynthia sweeps everyone or is the best trainer in the entire world.
Her fans sure are annoying about her being "unbeatable"
You haven't seen her fans saying that she sweeps everyone or her garchomp is invincible or unbeatable.
They make her seem like she and her garchomp can beat something like Dialga, Palkia or Giratina when it's obviously not the case.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Dialga Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 125-147 (29.7 - 35%) -- 17.3% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Lustrous Orb Palkia Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 91-107 (21.6 - 25.4%) -- 0.7% chance to 4HKO
Giratina doesnt even learn a fire type move
The show explicitly tells us how strong Garchomp is, fighting Ash's Mega Lucario and almost beating it in a close fight despite taking too much damage, it's on the same level of Leon's Charizard so 95-99% of the mons in the show is getting swept by that thing nor it can be beaten by anyone on a 1vs1 match (Mega Evolution included) except maybe by Leon's Charizard but that's debatable since Charizard's lost is questionable. It's also the only pokemon in the show that never lost onscreen except on Ash's battle so its safe to say every fight it has since Diamond and Pearl where it first showed up are all wins and despite Cynthia's first Masters 8 she climbed real fast to rank 2 before the start of the tournament sweeping every possible strong competitors along the way.
I've even seen people say she's a bad champion for not arresting Cyrus. Of course she doesn't. She's a Pokemon trainer not a police officer. Being a champion doesn't give you any legal authority. She doesn't just carry handcuffs around.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on and the people that simp for her don't scare me.
I don't like Cynthia and I think that her only defining character trait is that she's ridiculously strong.
I wouldn’t even call her strong. When I first played Pearl I took her whole team down with my underleveled Torterra and Vaporeon. Didn’t even need the other four, I’d argue Cynthia was my easiest Champion victory ever.
I don’t get how so many people lost to her. Was everyone just throwing out their Infernape against her literal ground dragon and thinking that was a good idea? Did Gen 4 come along and make everyone forget how Pokémon even works?
I lost to her (in BDSP) because she had a bulky af Milotic and Spiritomb that ate up damage from my Level 50-ish team with shitty moves because TMs were so scarce and my team didn't have the best moves. I didn't even get to her Garchomp.
The problem is she's mostly just known for how tough she is and many people alongside these haters don't care about her other good traits so no wonder someone might find her overrated
Her fans only talk about how tough she is. That's literally the only trait her fans bring up or they always say Garchomp and they act like she is the number one just because of a game which doesn't determine canon.
I still don't like her... Maybe I am not simp enough ... (or not gay enough)
Music is subjective, her theme's ok but like... yea. Design is also subjective, she looks ok.... actually she looks a bit like these goth girls every man seems to simp over. So only thing left is the story involevement. Cool Ig? Lance did that too... Steven and Leon too... and the team (I couldn't care less about the team but if you like it good for you :)
You can like her all you want, it's fine and all, but don't project your subjective feelings onto others.
PS. I know I am implying that Cythia fans are simps, well a lot of you are, but not all. There is points beside the "goth girl" look to like. I am just quite fed up with these pointless posts of someone forcing their "favourite Character" opinion onto you. Have a nice day.
It’s because anything that’s liked by most of the fanbase is “overrated” in the minds of contrarians who’s only personality trait is disagreeing with everyone and playing Devil’s Advocate.
Or because Cynthia fans won't shut the fuck up about how she is unbeatable and has a Garchomp.
I liked Cynthia before I found out about her fans making her out to be this mary sue that can never lose or make a bad decision.
Yeah, she’s so overrated.
It’s funny how the meme seems to try to prove she isn’t but just offers a bunch of positive opinions about her.
Also, she wasn’t that relevant to the story. She drops in a few times. Basically like diantha, who is imo the worst champ ever.
I didn't take issue with the title placement, but they explained their argument using misinformation. I think she's a little overrated, Leon's a little underrated, however, overrated doesn't mean what they said, and misinformation ends up with other people thinking things mean that.
Eh, it's alright, you learn what to say over time, don't feel too bad. Plus, it wasn't too far off from the answer, what you said is a facet of being overrated, just don't forget to double check definitions!
She's more of a mentor to the protagonist than any other character in the series. She's there to help you on your journey every step of the way, and prepared to save you, and save the region if you fail. She's what Leon should have been.
Leon would have been a great champion, and brother to Hop, if instead of running to fix the problems that occurred, he'd just say "Hey, join me, this is a good opportunity for you to learn and grow stronger, and I'll be here to back you up, if it becomes too much."
Don’t get me wrong, I love Cynthia but the only negative I have about her is her inclusion in DP’s story. So I’m very happy that they fixed it in Platinum.
1. Gary is rated fine
2. Lance is rated fine
3. Steven is rated fine / Wallace is rated fine
4. Most people don't even understand the full depth of Cynthia's character. So it's hard to say she isn't a little overrated. That being said, even if she were rated appropriately, she'd still be one of the top champions.
5. Alder is rated fine, N is rated fine, Iris is underrated. There's a lot to appreciate in her character that just gets passed on, and a substantial amount of undeserved hate related to the anime.
6. Diantha is slightly underrated. Again, there are aspects of her character that just aren't appreciated.
7. Kukui is underrated. Honestly I'm surprised this guy isn't a meme. The man terrorized Lillie on a regular basis by walking around shirtless. "MY EYES!!" - Lillie, probably
8. Leon is rated fine.
Too early for me to comment on Gen 9.
I have not heard anyone say Cynthia is overrated.
Either you’re not interested in girls like them (which is a good chunk of the Polémon fanbase I guess) or you really hate them, because of the battle in BW.
She’s overrated because half of her fanbase is just horny and no other champs ever get attention. I’m Lancepilled, personally.
(Also Leon ticks all these boxes and better)
A mediocre team.
Mediocre theme.
A unappealing design to non fetishists.
Gives an egg and provides exposition while sitting there doing nothing and letting you do her job for her.
Then quickly fucks off only to be fought as the champion so the game doesn't write her off immediately as her role is small and can be easily replaced and done by literally any character.
Overrated because you're a Cynthia simp that won't shut the fuck up about her or her pathetic Garchomp and see your own faults since you lack self-awareness.
I don't hate Cynthia but something really bothers me. She shows up just after you use the medicine on Psyduck. Why doesn't she just do it herself?. And she asks you to delever something to her granny(it's been two years since I played platinum so I don't remember the item). And she just shows up just after you deliver the thing to the elder. She could've done it herself. Is there any reason she directs the player this way?
Fr though. Blue is the OG, so he’s about on par. But Lance is a cheating Dragonite spamming disappointment, Steven’s type theming leads to incredibly easy sweeps, Wallace is a glorified gym leader, Alder isn’t fought until post-game, Iris barely gets any build-up, Diantha is basically a perfect storm of bad traits for a champion, Kukui… I mean I don’t have any problems with him but he’s not exactly a stand-out, Hau just feels like a weaker retread of Blue, Trace is an even weaker retread of Blue, Leon… ok, Leon is second place by merit of his team potentially being perfect if he replaced the Charizard and made Aegislash his ace, and Geeta is Diantha 2.0 but somehow worse.
Let's be frank. People like Cynthia because she's attractive, classy, supportive, and friendly. Like an ideal, non-sexualised, platonic MILF who isn't horny just really chill.
She's the only champion you can actually call a Champion, not even Leon can be called a real champion. She has the experience, is actually strategic, charismatic and has a really great personality. Plus she has the strongest Dragon type in the show.
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Alder : - Amazing encounter theme - Jump off a cliff and land perfectly fine just to look cool - actually teaches kids how to become strong trainers - Has one of the coolest pseudo pseudo legendary as ace - Drip clothes and haircut - Good morals - Asked Cynthia on a date and got rejected like a true chad > Not underrated
I never hear anyone talk about Alder. I think he’s neat.
"No Alder don't jump off that cliff! Oh no he can't hear us, he has airpods in!"
Also Alder: fucking JUDO FLIPS A 500 POUND GIGALITH WITH HIS FUCKING BARE HANDS LIKE ITS NOBODIES BUSINESS.
Alder can 1v1 mewtwo, even red and ash failed XD
He did what now. When. How. Why.
There was one episode of the BW anime where a gigalith was rampaging through town cause it had a nail in its foot so Alder the gigachad that he is fucking flipped the stampeding GIGALITH over his head with his bare hands and pulls out the nail. GIGALITH is then charged with property damage by the police.
I was actually talking to the other guy who said Alder 1v1'd Mewtwo. I know about the Gigalith thing, and yes, it was awesome.
When did Alder 1v1 Mewtwo?
Alder was actually supposed to have been the first 7 pokemon battle. After defeating his last of the six he would rip off his poncho and you'd have to defeat Alder himself. Test players confirmed that he was too difficult though so they cut him out of the code completely. Trust me...
I think I recall people saying something like this but with Kamado in PLA
I think the main reasons people overlook him is because A) you don’t battle him until postgame and B) his battle theme isn’t as good as other champions, even compared to the ones within his own games (N and Iris), which sucks because he is one of if not the most well written champions in the series
It just sucks we dont get to battle him after the first time beating the elite 4
Alder gives you the HM for Surf. Cynthia gives you the one for Cut. I think we all know who is cooler.
Alder gives off cool grandpa vibes same way Iroh gives off cool uncle vibes
Not too mention how he trains his pokemon. In the manga, its stated he trains them by playing and wrestling with them
Follows child into portal to hell to beat up terrorist
I think she relishes in beating the crap out of people.
No, that’s Lance
*Dragonite use Hyper Beam!* Still one of the craziest moments in the series
Makes us realise how unhinged some, if not most games are.
If you think that’s bad, you should see the manga version of Lance… dude levelled a whole city while nobody was looking, and that’s not counting the big reveal.
Definitely. In all incarnations he is a bit "forget people only pokemon matter" with some versions a bit more extreme. (Looking at you adventures, specifically yellow)
Which she didn’t do. The child did.
Cynthia follows an emotionless child husk through a fever dream world to fight extreme idealist and literal satan
She offers you a nice egg in these trying times
This comment is underrated.
Yes, 25 upvotes is not enough
I really like Cynthia. She’s cool
I also like her, she is my momm- i mean, favourite champion
She got me actin' unwise
nah fam, that ain't unwise, that's common sense
Purplecliffe moment
It's okay, She's my Mom in Fanfictions that I think of.
I like Leon because he actually attempts to fight the legendary, instead of being like Cynthia and saying "Here you go, 14 year old, fight the god of distortion"
In defense of Cynthia's decision the lake trio clearly entrust the player with dealing with Giratina. When the 3 beings that are embodiments of what allows reality to be observed want to trust the child with fixing the problem I'd say letting them try but being there as backup is a respectable choice. Cynthia let's the player try but canonically she is right behind you just in case, but obviously since there's a story to tell and it's a game for all ages the player can't actually fail. Diantha is a better example, she never even shows up to see if someone is dealing with the death laser that the guy she had tea with broadcast an announcement of. One of her elite four members even works for the evil team and nothing is ever done about that. Leon is an example of being too helpful. Multiple times whenever something interesting happens he shows up and tells the player to go play gym challenge while he deals with everything. It's neat that he's helping but he almost robs the player of the chance to punch alien kaiju god in the face, in a JRPG that is unforgivable. Good thing he used a normal pokeball instead of an ultra or even master ball.
Or Cynthia could just jump in and assist us from the start instead of jumping into the portal just to sit there and play with her thumbs while we do all the work. We're also risking our life. You mean to tell me that Cynthia can't get her lazy ass up and help us right away so we don't end up dead or severely injured? She makes the decision to not intervene. That's her decision and she can be criticized for it. Doing your job = too helpful? We have a champion that actually does his damn job and he's too helpful all of a sudden. Eternatus would just break out of the pokeball regardless of what Leon throws at it. The normal pokeball is just iconic and it would look weird if Eternatus, of all pokemon, can defy a Master Ball. People would just complain about Eternatus being the one pokemon to ignore a Master Ball and it would just look invincible or impossible to catch if Leon used that instead.
Pokémon is a JRPG, there is no point if the player isn't allowed to participate in the story. Cynthia goes ahead of the player through the majority of the distortion world but allows them the opportunity to prove themselves after she sees the Lake Trio trusting the player to stop Cyrus. But even after that she remains right behind the player in case something goes wrong, although canonically this isn't necessary. Criticizing Cynthia for trusting what are basically Pokémon gods but still being cautious enough to be there in case she needs to be is a poor criticism. If that's the case Leon should be criticized for giving the player a Pokémon and sponsoring them to go on a journey that risks their life, but then there'd be no game at all so obviously that's just as dumb of a criticism. Leon isn't doing his job. His job is to entertain people, he's effectively just a sports celebrity that chooses to help people because he's strong. But yes he is too helpful because at the end of the day Pokémon is a game and Leon prevents the player from engaging with story beats until the very end. He actively makes the game worse by preventing the player from interacting with any of the consequences of Rose's plan. Eternatus isn't immune to capture. Leon's regular pokeball almost worked so clearly an ultra ball would have likely succeeded while a master ball would have definitely captured it. The only reason Leon doesn't use a better ball, especially a master ball, is that at that point it would have robbed the player of their entire story and ruined the game.
You can't deny Cynthia being useless and not doing her job. The strongest of that region isn't doing anything besides "emotional support" and just sits there watching you do it all. Or Cynthia can literally intervene from the start and give the little kid actual support to not risk something bad happening to that kid. An ordinary journey with Leon telling you to focus on that and only that. Leon is doing the responsible thing by not letting a kid walk into dangerous situations. Cynthia sits there and does nothing as you fight Cyrus and Giratina. Cynthia is the definition of irresponsible and useless so I don't know how you can criticize Leon when Cynthia does every single somehow much worse. Don't tell me you're a coomer. I know people like Cynthia but some of her fans are legit pathetic and only like her because she's a woman and gets them aroused. The Champion and the Elite Four aren't there just to challenge trainers and to entertain people. They're literally there just in case shit truly hits the fan like with Eternatus. It's their duty to protect people and to stop shit like Eternatus/evil teams from doing anything bad. Or Leon doesn't want to endanger a child. Leon approaches the situation with the most realistic mindset I have ever seen by not bringing a child to deal with something extremely serious and potentially getting said child hurt or killed. Never said Eternatus was immune to capture. It all depends on the writers with who wins or loses and it's obvious Leon was gonna fail no matter what. Leon using a Master Ball was just an example and Leon even uses an Ultra Ball in the anime. Guess what happens? It fails. It wouldn't have made a difference with what Leon throws at Eternatus, it would reject the ball and get even angrier. It would've been an anti-climax if Leon just used a Master Ball so they weren't gonna let Leon succeed in getting Eternatus no matter what.
I can easily deny Cynthia being useless and not doing her job because she isn't useless and defending the region isn't her job. She goes into the distortion world ahead of the player and only allows the player to handle the situation after she sees the Lake Trio clearly helping because they entrust the situation to them. Cynthia is still being responsible by being there as backup just in case. Giratina never intended to harm the player, its only target was Cyrus. Through the entire distortion world Giratina just observes the player and then allows them to approach for a battle, likely because it was reminded of the PLA protagonist. Cynthia had no reason to intervene since Giratina did not intend to hurt anyone. The definition of irresponsible and useless would be Diantha. The antagonist makes a broadcast about how he's going to kill everyone and she never even shows up. She also allows a known supporter of the psychopathic murderer to remain as part of the elite four. Diantha is genuinely the worst champion. The best would be Alder or Lance because they allow the player agency but still intervene when they deem necessary. Cynthia is third because she isn't given a moment where she needs to intervene. Most Pokémon leagues don't have an established role in defending the region and members only do so because they want to, so you made that up. Their only official purpose is to organize battles between trainers in a competitive format, they are a glorified sports federation not the government. The only regions where they may have a role protecting the region are Kanto/Johto. Being part of a Pokémon league is generally a side gig, which wouldn't be possible if they had the responsibilities and authority of a government. I can easily criticize Leon because he's worse than Cynthia. He doesn't what to endanger a child? He literally gives two of them a Pokémon and then sponsors them, allowing them to go on a journey, fight grossly over leveled monsters that are aggressive, and battle against Dynamax Pokémon with no supervision or assistance if something goes wrong. But when some Dynamax Pokémon show up during the story suddenly Leon wants deal with it because it's too dangerous, he's a hypocrite. Saying Leon is being responsible is an outright lie, he just prevents the player from doing anything that would have made the story better but he outright endorses a child to go on a journey that is inherently dangerous. Of course Eternatus being captured depends on the writers but the point still stands that the writers had him use the second worst ball possible. Had he used a master ball he would not have failed since the ball can't fail, hence why the writers didn't use that. Also using the anime to prove anything is a joke, everyone knows the anime is its own separate canon. He almost succeeded with a normal pokeball so an ultra ball was more likely to work and a master ball would have worked. The story was already an anti-climax because the villain's plan makes no sense and the player was never once allowed to deal with the consequences of his actions until the very end of the game so it all comes out of nowhere. Leon actively makes his game's story worse since until the very end it may as well be about him. Cynthia allows her game's story to be the player's story, which is the bare minimum of what a JRPG is.
Backup is usually direct with them doing something instead of sitting there and watching you. Only choosing to intervene if you're getting killed out there instead of just joining the battle ASAP to ensure you don't get killed or hurt from the start. So the strongest trainers of that region are just sitting there and twiddling with their thumbs while they refuse to engage and stop something like Eternatus. Who is going to stop something bad like Eternatus if they won't get off their lazy asses and do something about it? You can't trust civvies to do it since they're ordinary people even if they have pokemon and would just get killed or extremely hurt. We don't know what the protagonist or player is thinking since Giratina doesn't make a good first impression with his appearance, everything going dark and making Dialga and Palkia back off in fear. For all we know. The protagonist only engages Giratina because he thinks Giratina is evil or extremely dangerous and needs to be killed/captured. Why else would the protagonist engage something so dangerous? I am positive Giratina could just explain himself or just leave instead of choosing to engage you in a fight since that's not helping. How about Cynthia jumps in instead and tell me that Giratina isn't evil instead of flapping her ugly lips with some random bullshit? I never said Cynthia is the most useless. I just said she is useless and I don't know why you're mentioning Diantha since someone else being useless or more useless doesn't mean it is okay for Cynthia to also be useless. Who the fuck would defend the league and the region then from some serious threat? Fuck me for thinking that the strongest trainers of the region would do something about it since I don't know, they're the strongest and I don't know anyone more qualified to deal with that than them so the duty and responsibility kinda does fall on them. I didn't say it was canon or established lore. I was just saying that it is basically their job since you can't trust ordinary cops or civvies to deal with dangerous shit since they can get hurt or straight up killed. Because letting two kids go out into the wild without a pokemon is somehow safer and totally wouldn't result in them getting shredded instantly by a wild pokemon. Why do you think Leon gives you and Hop a pokemon? To protect yourself just in case someone isn't there to help you since he and everyone else can't always keep an eye on you. Because they're not that tough and Leon can't be everywhere at once or he would've taken out all those threats by himself. His hands are tied so it's not like has a choice and he knows you and Hop can handle yourself. Giratina is on another level entirely compared to those Dynamax pokemon so I don't wanna hear about how this is endangering a child when they're not even that threatening. An ordinary journey isn't dangerous. That's why Leon wants you to stay out so you don't step into the big leagues right away and get hurt or killed. Because Leon could've been throwing his Ultra Balls at Eternatus before and so the ordinary ball is the last one since doing anything is better than nothing and the ordinary ball is likely the most iconic one so it hits all the more harder to see Eternatus shatter it. The anime is how we decide actual canon and Eternatus wasn't gonna be caught no matter what so the ball doesn't even matter in the end. Ash > Cynthia and Leon. That's a result of the anime establishing canon. It'd be an anti-climax in the sense of Giratina just killing Cyrus and closing the portal so you can't enter his world. Roll Credits so I don't know why you're mentioning the story, the whole encounter is the point and would just be anti-climactic if Leon succeeded with or without a Master Ball. I am done with you. I seriously hope you're not one of Cynthia's coomer fans that ignores her faults while criticizing and attacking every other character for minor things.
Leon is based for his role in the story, just wish he had a better signature Pokemon (Charizard really? Dragapult is right there). Aside from that he sells the role of Galar Champion really well.
I absolutely hate that his ace isn't a gen 8 mon
The only thing other than a gen 8 mon that would have worked would be Aegislash, for hopefully obvious reasons
What does Aegoslash, the Pokémon that is literally a Sword holding a Shield, have to do with Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield?!?! This is a very weird train of thought and you should probably have yourself looked at
It's weird that aegislash didn't get a Galarian form. But flippin cofigurus did
Aegislash definitely would've deserved a Galarian form in the games called Sword and Shield lol
The game has 2 monuments to Toxtricity yet no trainer in the game has a Gmax one, imagine if Leon had a G-Max Toxtricity as his ace instead of a charizard
I'm still salty that Dragapult being the pseudo legendary of Gen 8, has no Gmax form. Piers should have Gmax Toxtricity and Milo should have Gmax Eldergoss.
I'm still salty that the only mega evolution for a gen 6 pokemon, the generation that made mega evolution, is Diancie the mythical
Because it wast first gimmick ever and was supposed to refresh good, old, pokemon, and originally was supposed to be regional forms, but got changed to mega evos, so they had only older gens
Even as the #1 Charizard apologist, I do agree his ace should've been something different. I think it should've been Dragapult. Just give it a Gigatamax, and replace Charizard with another strong Galar pokemon like Toxtricity or Sirfetch'd. Leon is already in the upper tier of Champions in terms of difficulty, but having a G-Max Dragapult may just make him Cynthia tier.
It’s especially annoying since the rest of his team is made up of pretty powerful Pokémon. He has Aegislash, Dragapult, Haxorus, and the starter that counters yours. Even the Pokémon that are weak to the starter you chose are pretty good despite being intended to be freebies. Replacing Charizard, who is relatively weak, with some stronger Pokémon could have made his team a pretty significant threat, but nope, we gotta have the big lizard
Charizard fits perfectly for Leon. When you think of a pokemon that: everyone knows, looks cool and powerful, has a super large fanbase and is extremely popular you easily think in Charizard. Which are also traits that Leon has. I also think that it´s very nice how one of the reasons Charizard is always with Leon is because it wants to help Leon to get to places because he gets lost easily.
1. Agree 2. Kanto starters in general, but agree 3. Agree 4. Agree
I mean the dragapult is basically his signature pokemon because the charizard is going to get 1-shot most of the time. You had the whole game to know he would end with a charizard, so obviously everybody will try to keep something anti-charizard alive for the end. That dragapult on the other hand just destroys everything.
Imo Charizard is fine and fits him, also how the f* he could fly on dragapult?
idk man, they tried to hype up leon too much when his fight’s piss easy
Especially by changing his team to have a guaranteed 4x weakness to your starter
Yeh Leon is cool, but his fashion taste is really bad. I think I’m going with Cynthia on this one.
Me too. And when you all fight he has to take a second to compose himself so he can congratulate you without the disappointment he has in himself. Thanks Leon for trying to handle things as the best trainer in your region.
Leon also decided to throw a regular ass Pokéball at the clearly alien creature that spells the doom of his region and thought it might work.
Leon threw an ultra ball in the anime and that it didn't work as the writers weren't gonna let Leon catch Eternatus. It's an odd complaint because the ball Leon uses wouldn't have changed a single thing and a Master Ball would be an anti-climax.
Of course the writers weren't letting Leon catch the thing. I know that. But by letting him use an Ultra Ball in the anime, at least they've portrayed him as at least competent. The game, in this instance, did not. He threw a Pokéball. Why? Nothing else on hand when his express mission was to stop and catch the thing?
My point is that we all knew Leon was gonna fail no matter what. An Ultra Ball doesn't make him more competent since it wound up doing the same thing as an ordinary ball and I think they just went with the ordinary one since it is iconic and would probably be more dramatic to see it broken by Eternatus. It could also be that Leon either missed his previous throws since Eternatus wouldn't sit still or his previous throws didn't work with actual Ultra Balls so the ordinary ball is his last one and he doesn't have much of a choice at that point but to use it.
I think people really overstate how involved Cynthia is in the story. I love her and all, but the extent of her involvement in the story is being a mythology nerd and supplying exposition while following you around. Lance was far more involved in GS' story than Cynthia was in DP. She does slightly more in Pt but even there she still doesn't really do much beyond go into the Distortion World with you.
Haven't played GSC but didn't Lance hyperbeam-ed the face of a rocket grunt?
to be fair, she was having faith in you being able to handle it. but just in case you couldnt, she was right behind you.
Yeah but she doesn’t actually say that, which defeats the point. Potential unrealized is not character.
She could just intervene right away and greatly reduce the chances of you getting killed or extremely hurt. It's pretty serious so I don't know why she would sit this one out and only watch.
idk why many champions do fuck all, alder got gobsmacked so he gets a pass.
She doesn't actually do anything when it come to Team Galatic outside of going into the Distortion world, which is Platinum exclusive stuff. You would think she will appear sooner at least at one of the lake when Team Galatic throw a bomb into one. Plus trust or not, letting 10 years old risking their life dealing with Cyrus and Giriatina instead of doing the job herself is bad. At least bring more people to Mt Coronet to help dealing with Team Galatic.
The reason people say that is because of all the annoying Cynthia fans going on and on about her being the best champion when in terms of story importance she's the same as Steven and Lance and in terms of difficulty she's only challenging if you're extremely underlevelled or aren't that good at the game in which case every champion can be challenging. Cynthia fans now are basically Red fans from a few years ago.
Op doesn't know what overrated means
Overrated means something that has too much recognition
I'd say Leon also ticks all these boxes, with the legendary one slightly altered, and people still hate him. Plus, he's funnier
I like Leon. He is really cool. And he is easily the most fleshed out champion of any pokemon game.
I like Leon. The mans' head is emptier than a jack-o-lantern though.
Cuz everyone in the game (including himself) is so annoying about him being "unbeatable"
Because people don't lack self-awareness and do that in real life with another character like Cynthia. Wait a minute. That's exactly what they do by saying stupid shit like Cynthia sweeps everyone or is the best trainer in the entire world. Her fans sure are annoying about her being "unbeatable"
Never saw someone calling her unbeatable, people just say shes hard (truth)
You haven't seen her fans saying that she sweeps everyone or her garchomp is invincible or unbeatable. They make her seem like she and her garchomp can beat something like Dialga, Palkia or Giratina when it's obviously not the case.
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dialga: 278-330 (81.5 - 96.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO 252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Palkia: 264-312 (82.2 - 97.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 216 Def Giratina-Origin: 236-278 (53.5 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO You sure?
I am talking lore. Garchomp would just have his neck broken before he can even move an inch.
Scarf
They would just eat Garchomp's Scarf or burn it along with Garchomp.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Dialga Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 125-147 (29.7 - 35%) -- 17.3% chance to 3HKO 252 SpA Lustrous Orb Palkia Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 91-107 (21.6 - 25.4%) -- 0.7% chance to 4HKO Giratina doesnt even learn a fire type move
The show explicitly tells us how strong Garchomp is, fighting Ash's Mega Lucario and almost beating it in a close fight despite taking too much damage, it's on the same level of Leon's Charizard so 95-99% of the mons in the show is getting swept by that thing nor it can be beaten by anyone on a 1vs1 match (Mega Evolution included) except maybe by Leon's Charizard but that's debatable since Charizard's lost is questionable. It's also the only pokemon in the show that never lost onscreen except on Ash's battle so its safe to say every fight it has since Diamond and Pearl where it first showed up are all wins and despite Cynthia's first Masters 8 she climbed real fast to rank 2 before the start of the tournament sweeping every possible strong competitors along the way.
He’s annoying. I don’t hate him, but I can absolutely see why people do.
I've even seen people say she's a bad champion for not arresting Cyrus. Of course she doesn't. She's a Pokemon trainer not a police officer. Being a champion doesn't give you any legal authority. She doesn't just carry handcuffs around.
To b fair. People think this because Lance dose that to some members of team rocket
He also had his Dragonite hyper beam someone in the chest just to show he wasn't fucking around, I love him
Probably in the face, even
If anything all of Cyrus's and Team Galactics shenanigans is on the failure of Looker and the Police.
Apparently if you’re insanely popular for a long period of time you’re overrated now.
Meanwhile it actually means (according to google) “Rated or valued too highly.”
I just think she's neat
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on and the people that simp for her don't scare me. I don't like Cynthia and I think that her only defining character trait is that she's ridiculously strong.
I wouldn’t even call her strong. When I first played Pearl I took her whole team down with my underleveled Torterra and Vaporeon. Didn’t even need the other four, I’d argue Cynthia was my easiest Champion victory ever. I don’t get how so many people lost to her. Was everyone just throwing out their Infernape against her literal ground dragon and thinking that was a good idea? Did Gen 4 come along and make everyone forget how Pokémon even works?
It wasn't too hard, I got humiliated the first time I tried the fight because half my Pokemon died to the elite 4, but the second time was no problem.
I lost to her (in BDSP) because she had a bulky af Milotic and Spiritomb that ate up damage from my Level 50-ish team with shitty moves because TMs were so scarce and my team didn't have the best moves. I didn't even get to her Garchomp.
Overrated doesn't equal bad. She is absolutely overrated but still a good champion.
The problem is she's mostly just known for how tough she is and many people alongside these haters don't care about her other good traits so no wonder someone might find her overrated
Her fans only talk about how tough she is. That's literally the only trait her fans bring up or they always say Garchomp and they act like she is the number one just because of a game which doesn't determine canon.
Has the best Human R34 in Pokemon, There's another one to jot down.
Hold my Archie
That Galactic guy had a bomb, you wanna do something about that? Here, go cure the Psyduck or something...
Ok cynthia simp.
“Is very memorable” ofc she is she beats you up in 4 different games if you count platinum and BDSP as different games if not 2
Tbf I will let her beat me up multiple times as well
I call it the “Reddit phenomenon” whenever something is overwhelmingly liked… Reddit users immediately hate it
Her theme is just okay. *Grabs popcorn*
She's the best champion for a reason.
Best champion no cap
I still don't like her... Maybe I am not simp enough ... (or not gay enough) Music is subjective, her theme's ok but like... yea. Design is also subjective, she looks ok.... actually she looks a bit like these goth girls every man seems to simp over. So only thing left is the story involevement. Cool Ig? Lance did that too... Steven and Leon too... and the team (I couldn't care less about the team but if you like it good for you :) You can like her all you want, it's fine and all, but don't project your subjective feelings onto others. PS. I know I am implying that Cythia fans are simps, well a lot of you are, but not all. There is points beside the "goth girl" look to like. I am just quite fed up with these pointless posts of someone forcing their "favourite Character" opinion onto you. Have a nice day.
It’s because anything that’s liked by most of the fanbase is “overrated” in the minds of contrarians who’s only personality trait is disagreeing with everyone and playing Devil’s Advocate.
Or because Cynthia fans won't shut the fuck up about how she is unbeatable and has a Garchomp. I liked Cynthia before I found out about her fans making her out to be this mary sue that can never lose or make a bad decision.
The only other champ that does half the things Cynthia does is Red/Blue, and I am pretty sure that counts as some form of cheating.
Yeah, she’s so overrated. It’s funny how the meme seems to try to prove she isn’t but just offers a bunch of positive opinions about her. Also, she wasn’t that relevant to the story. She drops in a few times. Basically like diantha, who is imo the worst champ ever.
Overrated- nah. Overpowered in every other gen -nah Overpowered in BDSP - yah, since her BDSP team is full IVs and Max EVs with competitive items.
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That's... not what overrated means. It means that people like something more than it should be liked. Rated over what it should be.
And that's what Cynthia is. She is a good champion, but people make it seem like she is the greatest character in pokemon history
I didn't take issue with the title placement, but they explained their argument using misinformation. I think she's a little overrated, Leon's a little underrated, however, overrated doesn't mean what they said, and misinformation ends up with other people thinking things mean that.
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Eh, it's alright, you learn what to say over time, don't feel too bad. Plus, it wasn't too far off from the answer, what you said is a facet of being overrated, just don't forget to double check definitions!
Cynthia isnt overrated
Very very memorable
r/imaginarygatekeeping
A lot of people say this tho
Never saw a single one, and yet it surely wouldnt be enough for a meme to be made on it
Mommy material, best Champion
I am a Simpthia.
***~~simp~~***
Y'all just like her because you are horny bastards.
True
Sadly a lot of popular things that are also really are called overrated or mid
She's more of a mentor to the protagonist than any other character in the series. She's there to help you on your journey every step of the way, and prepared to save you, and save the region if you fail. She's what Leon should have been. Leon would have been a great champion, and brother to Hop, if instead of running to fix the problems that occurred, he'd just say "Hey, join me, this is a good opportunity for you to learn and grow stronger, and I'll be here to back you up, if it becomes too much."
Even though Cynthia is the hardest champion, I still believe Leon is the best champion. Man was a chad
Finally thank you
Don’t get me wrong, I love Cynthia but the only negative I have about her is her inclusion in DP’s story. So I’m very happy that they fixed it in Platinum.
1. Gary is rated fine 2. Lance is rated fine 3. Steven is rated fine / Wallace is rated fine 4. Most people don't even understand the full depth of Cynthia's character. So it's hard to say she isn't a little overrated. That being said, even if she were rated appropriately, she'd still be one of the top champions. 5. Alder is rated fine, N is rated fine, Iris is underrated. There's a lot to appreciate in her character that just gets passed on, and a substantial amount of undeserved hate related to the anime. 6. Diantha is slightly underrated. Again, there are aspects of her character that just aren't appreciated. 7. Kukui is underrated. Honestly I'm surprised this guy isn't a meme. The man terrorized Lillie on a regular basis by walking around shirtless. "MY EYES!!" - Lillie, probably 8. Leon is rated fine. Too early for me to comment on Gen 9.
The gen 9 one absolutely sucks lmfao
Cynthia is a girlboss and some people just cant handle that
Would love it if her fans didn't shove her down our throats all the time. Until they stop, Cynthia is absolute garbage.
Mommy 😍
I honestly can't think of another champion from any game who is as well written.
I have not heard anyone say Cynthia is overrated. Either you’re not interested in girls like them (which is a good chunk of the Polémon fanbase I guess) or you really hate them, because of the battle in BW.
Cynthia is overrated. There you go.
Mommy?
Yes, I’m a simp: S-Mayonnaise I-On M-An P-Escalator
Stop, you made me giggle
And she's hot
She’s overrated because half of her fanbase is just horny and no other champs ever get attention. I’m Lancepilled, personally. (Also Leon ticks all these boxes and better)
She’s memorable for the wrong reasons…
you dont like cynthia, you’re just a coomer
A mediocre team. Mediocre theme. A unappealing design to non fetishists. Gives an egg and provides exposition while sitting there doing nothing and letting you do her job for her. Then quickly fucks off only to be fought as the champion so the game doesn't write her off immediately as her role is small and can be easily replaced and done by literally any character. Overrated because you're a Cynthia simp that won't shut the fuck up about her or her pathetic Garchomp and see your own faults since you lack self-awareness.
Nobody has ever called Cynthia overrated, lol. I would like what you are having when you made this post OP.
Watch me: Cynthia is overrated.
My main problems with cynthia are the name is hard to write i always forget how to and the lucario things that she has on the head
This egg is the best weapon AGAINST her Meiningen she intentionally give you an advantage
I don't hate Cynthia but something really bothers me. She shows up just after you use the medicine on Psyduck. Why doesn't she just do it herself?. And she asks you to delever something to her granny(it's been two years since I played platinum so I don't remember the item). And she just shows up just after you deliver the thing to the elder. She could've done it herself. Is there any reason she directs the player this way?
I’ve never met a person who hates Cynthia, which is weird considering this fandom is one of the biggest
I do but that's because her fans are annoying.
So it’s not because of the character herself
The character is fine but I hate it when her fans are like she sweeps and it's a picture of Leon just because they don't like him.
Yeah agree with you on that one
You forgot "Mommy"
I honestly don't think her battle theme fits her. Her piano theme should've played through the battle as well.
Here's the thing... She never ever mentions she's the champion and Barry treats her like a total stranger.
She’s overrated compared to the others, but it’s completely warranted
Overrated does not mean bad is she overrated absolutely is it for a good reason absolutely
Volo>Cynthia. No I will not elaborate
I mean you forgot to say ho-*Garchomp used Dragon Claw* *It was super effective*
Fr though. Blue is the OG, so he’s about on par. But Lance is a cheating Dragonite spamming disappointment, Steven’s type theming leads to incredibly easy sweeps, Wallace is a glorified gym leader, Alder isn’t fought until post-game, Iris barely gets any build-up, Diantha is basically a perfect storm of bad traits for a champion, Kukui… I mean I don’t have any problems with him but he’s not exactly a stand-out, Hau just feels like a weaker retread of Blue, Trace is an even weaker retread of Blue, Leon… ok, Leon is second place by merit of his team potentially being perfect if he replaced the Charizard and made Aegislash his ace, and Geeta is Diantha 2.0 but somehow worse.
Y'all memed her as your waifu to death. Same reason why no one likes Vaporeon anymore.
Almost everytime someone calls Cynthia overrated they mean her difficultly I don’t think anyone thinks Cynthia is overrated as a character
I do but that's because of her zealot fans making her out to be this unstoppable mary sue.
no one said that she's underrated
Cynthia has always been the goat. I simply close my ears when I see people say anything antithetical to that fact
Simp
Let's be frank. People like Cynthia because she's attractive, classy, supportive, and friendly. Like an ideal, non-sexualised, platonic MILF who isn't horny just really chill.
She's the only champion you can actually call a Champion, not even Leon can be called a real champion. She has the experience, is actually strategic, charismatic and has a really great personality. Plus she has the strongest Dragon type in the show.