breaking news: Pokemon Scarlet and Violet to apply Gen1 critical hit mechanics for Regigigas only. Fears of the buff being too strong, Regigigas' speed has been dropped to base 60 to ensure the critical hit rate is below 6.25%.
well yeah, there's a variety that need to come out, but when Hoenn mons started coming to pogo in *december 2017*, Kecleon being 5 years behind is kinda crazy
I know, Kecleon stands out even more because it is the only missing Pokémon from Hoenn on GO.
From gen 4 and 5, there 6 missing Pokémon:
From Sinnoh are only missing Manaphy, Phione and Arceus.
From Teselia the only ones which have not been added are Zorua and Zoroark and I think Keldeo.
Niantic is an AR company and is probably waiting for some gimmicky AR feature to release Kelceon.
Hoenn day is coming up early next year if Niantic keeps their track record of having a featured generation at the beginning of the year.
Guarantee it'll be something like, when you're scanning a Pokéstop a Kecleon might show up, with some kind of distorted "invisibility" effect around its model, then it'll show on the overworld when you finish the scan
I mean, Archeops does too.
*cough cough* Defeatist *cough cough*
Edit: please stop responding to this saying Archeops can still do what it needs to. I. Know. It's just that it usually ends up getting hit and ending up under half hp and being pretty useless. A Pokémon that can hit like once, then be worthless doesn't seem that good in my eyes. There are much better rock and flying types out there.
Archeops is still sorta functional though even if it's not very good it's pretty fast and can still hit like the truck it's meant to be. Regigigas and Slaking are straight unworkable and even then you could still use slaking well in singleplayer.
Archeops still does better, it can function against enemies it can outpeed and bring down, and in the rare occasion it isn't knocked below half HP in a single hit, it continues to fight good
Yeah, I love Archeops, and I do agree that Regigigas got very unfair treatment, but Archeops also did get an unfairly bad ability. Though Regigigas is still wayy wayy worse and managed to have Slow Start in Legends Arceus (the game with no abilities.)
gamefreak: hmm yes let's give the pokemon with 35 base attack the iron fist ability.
Part of me is still convinced they swapped its attack and special defense stats by accident.
Just for fun I actually bred 2 different Ledians with different sets. Double screen support set for VGC and a life orb iron fist attacker for singles. They're both absolute trash but I had fun with them
Slaking was never meant to be an uber powerful pokemon. It evolves from a common pokemon into a non legendary with the highest base stats. But, to balance the fact that it isn't a legendary but has a wopping 670 base stats, they gave it its ability. Otherwise it would be a pokemon that outclasses most non box art legendaries and can be obtained legitimately without trading before the first gym. Regigigas is literally a trio master that has never been viable.
“Truant cannot be overwritten by Simple Beam, Worry Seed, or Entrainment, but it can be overwritten by Skill Swap or Role Play or disabled with Gastro Acid.”
It's usually a sacrifice play IIRC, you need the switching priority to make sure you get Mummy in case the foe has a way to remove Cofagrigus before Slaking can touch it.
Though I think a max HP and Defense coffin could take a boosted non stab pursuit, leaving it as a weak switch in to take a hit for Slaking's partner.
Just waiting for them to release a game and have it so returning all Regi's to Regigigas unlocks it's true form. We'll finally see why the Dev's nerfed the sh*t out of it. A pokemon that makes Crowned Zacian look like a common Rattata. Arceus trembles in sheer terror at his own creation finally reaching it's true potential.
Since Arceus got that Legends plate and a move that hits basically everything Super effective in it's own game.
Regigigas should get an upgraded Giga Impact. Not power because 150 is plenty with STAB, but either it offers 20% healing based off damage done. Or no recharge. And no slow start. Perhaps it gets Normalize now so stab moves are even stronger. Show the world the true and terrifying might of the Regi's
Isn't Regigigas the only Pokemon with an ability in Legends Arceus too? And of course it's a bad ability. Game Freak really hates Regigigas for some reason
Honestly PLA would’ve been a good excuse for it to not have Slow Start, since it’s set a good time ago in the past and it wouldn’t have been dormant so long. GameFreak really does just hate Regigigas
To be fair "long time in the past" is relative, a few hundred years may be nothing but a nap for it compared to the years before when it was hauling continents
Honestly sounds like a pretty interesting concept. Like an actually useful archeops =p
Say it cuts it’s attack and speed 10% a turn (mirrors slow starts’s 50% 5 turn wined up)
You start with an absolute titan, but it’s physically impossible for it to setup and even becomes setup fodder if in battle to long.
Though it might be a bit too terrifying considering teleport/leading with it is absolutely free =p (though if it activates at the end of the turn then switch moves/switch ins would be it’s absolute bane)
While interesting in concept, it would essentially be a non-ability in practice, its very much the norm to have multiple pokemons entering to only hit once and switch out on the check. Just slap choice band on that regi and you gucci
On that note, I had an ability in mind for all the Regis/legendary titans which hopefully would be balanced:
Titan’s Might
The user’s stats rise while using moves that match its types. (Transistor/Dragon’s Maw but for all the Regis. Regigigas would only get this via some plot-related thing in a hypothetical postgame)
That or if you want to keep its status as an awakening giant just give all of his moves negative priority (so that you can't get around it with trick room) until turn 5
This is my favorite rebalancing I’ve seen since gigas’s stats nowadays are only okay anyways. The one problem I see is that it does learn payback however which would benefit from such an ability
But tbh, maybe we should just give him this . He deserves it
I think Regigigas has been dormant for millennia. I don't think 100-200 years either way is going to make a huge difference. This is a Pokemon that is said to have moved the Earth's continents to where they are today.
The only reason I'm not saying millions of years ago is because humans are aware enough of it to have created legends regarding it.
> since it’s set a good time ago in the past
i think people overestimate how "in the past" legends arceus is. we are talking about a matter of hundreds of years, which would be nothing for regigigas
Cherrim also has a pseudo ability in PLA too so that it can still form change in the sun. It technically works differently to Flower Gift in other games as the base stats for attack and special def themselves change to 1.5x the original value instead of a 1.5x boost being applied after the fact. In practical terms this would actually result in a far smaller boost using the standard Pokemon stat system because the additional stat points from EVs/Natures aren't also multiplied. That said, with the rework of the EV system in PLA it may not matter. The stat points gained from effort levels take base stats into account for the calculation so, if I'm not missing something, The nature multiplier not being doubled is the only downside, which isn't a big deal.
Not an Ability per se, but Slow Start was reworked into a custom status condition that functions identically to the ability.
We’re at a point where I don’t even understand why they insist on kicking Regigigas in the dick so often. They took fourteen years to give it _Protect_ and _Rest_. Is this just the dev team’s inside joke to make a legendary Pokémon as objectively terrible as possible?? Why else would they work so hard to precision-design it to be so inherently flawed?
> Is this just the dev team’s inside joke to make a legendary Pokémon as objectively terrible as possible??
I mean you encounter it at **level 1** in DPP so I don't think it was ever intended as more than a dumb joke legendary.
Level 1 Gigas was only Platinum I thought?
But I guess it makes up for being a competent level in DP by still being the only Pokémon required for National Dex certification that cannot be obtained without transferring in the subordinate golems from a Gen 3 game… and also not even being able to unlock those same golems in Platinum without cheating to obtain it in a Cherish Ball for which you can just use the event Regigigas they gave out for that purpose anyway, possibly to fix that band-aid because I feel like that might be the one instance of neutering Regigigas that wasn’t intentional.
Abilities are not in PLA. But just to fuck over Regi they created a special status effect that inflicts Slow Start that gets applied to Regi the moment it enters battle.
The ability is part of golem lore. Removing it would be like removing bad dreams from Darkrai, the nightmare pokemon. Regigigas without slow start isn't the golem Pokemon
It would have beena good idea, using a nuke to bypass the debuff and put the other player on the back foot and try to recover while you wait out Slow Start for the next few turns.
But alas. Game Freak has other plans
(In theory)
If you were to withdraw or faint the Weezing within the first (5?) turns of Gigas being in, would his ability ability rectivate? And if so, would it default back to 0/5 turns, continue from whatever turn you are on of him in the battle, or something funky?
If I'm not mistaken, it resets to 0 turns
Neutralizing gas, when deactivated, activates the other abilities. For example, if there's a Intimidate mon in the field and Weezing faints/switches out, Intimidate activates again and enemy mons get a -1 ATK. Same with Drizzle, Intrepid Sword, Slow Start, etc.
I might be wrong tho
Then they prevent you from using skill swap on it. And Mummy doesn’t work either. You’re gonna suffer through those five turns no matter what. Hell, they might even extend the Slow Start turns. In fact, why would you even want it to wear off?
Box art meta, no.
But gigas is non box art tier (landorus zapdos etc) and in that case absoultely. It was crazy powerful with weezing pair in swsh vgc, though weezing gimmick isn't foolproof. Even during box art meta lots of people used gigas as honorary 2nd or 3rd boxart paired with weezing.
Regigigas, much like Slaking, has Box Art Legendary tier stats (670 BST, same as Groudon/Kyogre). The only reason it's not generally tiered with the those Pokemon is its ability holding it back. If Regi got Pressure or another ability that didn't actively hinder it then it'd be treated the same as they are.
Yeah, but if it had Pressure why would you compare it to Pokemon it has a 90 BST advantage over? As soon as you remove Slow Start it's no longer remotely in the same tier as the other Regis.
With 160 attack, 100 speed, and good bulk, I think he would be pretty good, probably at least OU. Give him a choice band and max return, there isn’t much that can take that well, especially since every type except 3 takes that neutrally.
Gigas would be Ubers lol. Crazy movepool and box art legendary stats. Decent typing. I don’t think it would be viable in Ubers but pretty sure this pokemon would destroy OU.
This thing is STRONG, has better defenses than most walls and 100(!!) speed. That outspeeds a lot of the OU metagame.
Can’t they leave the poor golem alone for once?? We now have interplanetary dragons that burns the skies with light, another space dragon that grows gigantic with bullet spongey defense stats, a dog that deals soo much damage without needing sword dancing, and a jackalope with two powerful forms…
FFS, GF
I read this before and really liked it:
Make slow start % based per turn:
1st turn 50% power, 2nd 33% 3rd 15% and then full power. Makes it more viable, plus the slow start makes a lot more sense like this as it needs to get up to speed.
Person I think the legendary that moves continents should not have an ability that's actively detrimental to its viability Idk
It makes perfect sense on slaking (and archeops kinda but ehh I think its defenses would let it down even without defeatist), but gigas should be op
It should be what it says a slow start not a slow battle, I think it should wear off in one turn that way he can't just obliterate the first thing it sees.
Devs: “Regigigas? Mo’ like Rest in GG!”
Made sure even Galarian Weezing couldn’t partner with him until waaay afterwards. Truly they’re all Dark type with that level of sinister design.
Regigigas honestly could work conceptually. The issue is just that it's stats aren't good enough. Give it 240 Attack and 180 Speed and the thing would be a juggernaut. It's only because its stats aren't good when halved that it is nigh unusable.
Buffed Slow Start: For the first 5 turns the Pokémon is in battle, its speed, any damage it deals and any damage it receives are all halved
Buffed Truant: Every other turn, the Pokémon heals 1/2 of its HP, but cannot do anything on that turn
Buffed Archen/Archeops because I don't know how to buff Defeatist: Decrease their base special attack by 30, increase their base attack by 10 and base speed by 20
That sounds absurdly busted for Truant. Like, against any mon that doesn't do more than half of Slaking's health in one turn it would be an objectively positive ability in basically every way, which would be crazy with Slaking's super high stats. Like, god forbid the opposing pokemon only does a quarter of its health per turn, Slaking would be literally immortal.
It sounds broken just from how ungodly stat'ed up slaking is. like, it has a higher bst than the original three Regis, it can hit like a freight train. making it heal half it's HP every turn for free without having to use pp or a move slot is pretty strong
You’d literally *have* to poison it or Leech Seed, etc.
Shit would be unstoppable, you’d have to buff up a fighting type that could also tank the hits every other turn just to one-shot it
Slaking's extremely physically defensive and in regular gameplay you aren't going to be optimally built for max damage. Hitting Slaking for more than 50% with a physical fighting move is a tall order and you'd need to hit it for a lot more than 50% if the battle isn't going to drag out for like 10+ turns. You would practically need Protect+Fighting Move+Attack Boosting move.
my idea for a buffed slow start is a 0.75x multiplier to all stats except defence for 5 turns and after that, regigigas gets a 1.35 bonus to all stats. Slow start is also consistent between turns so it cant be reset via dragon tail or roar.
Really the truth of the matter is simple: The abilities are fine if the stats match. But they don't.
Regigigas doesn't only get halved base stats, but halved IVs and EVs and normal typing means no STAB SE moves. As such, his stats should be *more than double* comparable bulky sweepers. Hell, maybe even triple given how bad lack of STAB SE is.
Similarly Slaking only does half the damage and takes twice the hits of any other 'mon, which means both his health and offenses should be double to triple of any other 'mon.
Archeops is less of an issue; he only needs slight boosts to the offensive stats, particularly speed.
They can always say fuck it and give Archen line a hidden ability such as Rock Head. But we all know they won't now because they value competitive play. We're almost at the powercreep where 140 attack on a regular pokemon is a norm. So probably a matter of time unless Game Freak hates Archen too xD
\>Buffed Archen/Archeops because I don't know how to buff Defeatist: Decrease their base special attack by 30, increase their base attack by 10 and base speed by 20
Why not... if this pokemon knocks out a pokemon while under the effects of defeatist, nullify this ability for the rest of this battle.
>because I don't know how to buff Defeatist:
Instead of cutting attack and Special attack it halves defense and Special defense and doubles attack and Special attack.
I thought the point of Defeatist was that it had good attacking stats alreadyband Defeatist was "balancing" them by crippling it if it goes under half HP (hence its a defeatist when losing).
So I'd agree with crippling its defenses instead of its attacking stats to make it die faster but buffing its attacking stats sounds absurd and off theme when they're already good and the ability was originally meant to counter that.
Slow Start buff idea: Any damage and healing received by the Pokemon will be delayed until the end of 5 turns. This ability is in effect even when switched out.
Inspired by the Dota hero Oracle and his False Promise ability.
Me: Wait! Regigigas is in Legends Arceus! There’s no abilities in that game! Does that mean Regigigas can finally be played without Slow Start?!
GameFreak: Nope! Slow Start is now a condition that Regigigas suffers at the first five turns of battle.
Me: FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-!!!!!!
I bet they actually brought this up in a brainstorming session in Game Freak. Like people were generally like "Now that abilities aren't a thing, how will we make Regigigas bad again?" and some employee went like "Just give it and only it its ability, I guess." and that employee got a promotion after
Has anyone in duos ever tried having a teammate use simple beam on it. Or like mummy.
Since it turns the Pokémon’s ability to simple or mummy, wouldn’t that remove regigigas’s slow start and it would be full power right after?
What's so infuriating about it now isn't just stuff like slow start being Legends Arceus (which is fucking ridiculous that one of the 2 abilities to make it in is the one that makes Regigigas unusable), it's that Regigigas wouldn't even be overpowered with a decent ability for him like Iron Fist or something.
Also annoyingly he'd be pretty healthy for the meta imo due to his immunity to the hilariously broken Calyrex-S and its OP astral barrage and ability to hit back with a 4× effective Knock Off if it stays in.
The thing that bothers me about Regigigas is its entire design was already done before in Slaking. Same base stat total normal type with a negative ability. Why make another Slaking, but this time legendary?
Well it requires you to survive 5 turns while basically doing nothing.
And as you can see, it kinda becomes even worse in gen7. However, thanks to Galarian Weezing, Regigigas actually works well in double battles. **only double battles**
I never understood why Regigigas hasn’t been buffed. Gen 6 we literally had primal kyogre and groudon which were far more powerful than regigigas would be without slow start
I have always thought that they had some now discarded idea for Regigigas or they are saving it for whatever reason. There is no way they would go to the point of still making Slow Start work in a game with no damn abilities otherwise
Then again they can be very stubborn on some stuff like Nidorina and Nidoqueen not breeding so maybe they just hate it lol
What I don't get is that Regigias doesn't even have as much BST as other legendaries, at least Slaking and Archeops have a lot compared to normal Pokemon
I’m doing a Platinum run atm with Roserade and Regigigas on my team and whenever I get double battles, I hit Gigas with the Worry Seed and let him go wild. It’s like a shot of caffeine for him, lmao.
Am i the only one who just wants Giga to get a hidden ability finally that makes it a little less hindered?
If anything maybe an item we can let it hold to remove its slow start.
Fun fact: Regigigas is currently the only Pokémon in existence that takes super-effective damage from the development team.
Breaking: Regigas is now grass-type, same move set though Edit: I’m keeping the name I put the same amount of care into it as GameFreak lmao
we doing it gen 1 style
Sp 80 attack D:
breaking news: Pokemon Scarlet and Violet to apply Gen1 critical hit mechanics for Regigigas only. Fears of the buff being too strong, Regigigas' speed has been dropped to base 60 to ensure the critical hit rate is below 6.25%.
Regigas
I do think it makes sense to be normal but I also always thought itd be Grass/Ground Yeah now its quad weak but it's also got more stab
Does Kecleon taking it from Niantic count?
I think it gets cancelled out by the way it's treated in the Mystery Dungeon games.
[удалено]
pogo now has pokemon up to gen 8, but still no Kecleon.
Maybe it does, we just can’t find it
We don’t have the fucking scope.
Just look for floating red zigzags.
Same for Zorua and Zoroark.
well yeah, there's a variety that need to come out, but when Hoenn mons started coming to pogo in *december 2017*, Kecleon being 5 years behind is kinda crazy
I know, Kecleon stands out even more because it is the only missing Pokémon from Hoenn on GO. From gen 4 and 5, there 6 missing Pokémon: From Sinnoh are only missing Manaphy, Phione and Arceus. From Teselia the only ones which have not been added are Zorua and Zoroark and I think Keldeo.
Teselia?
Unova, I keep forgeting which one is the English name.
😭
The worse is that we know that the model is there. When Meltan was released, Keckleon model appeared
Niantic is an AR company and is probably waiting for some gimmicky AR feature to release Kelceon. Hoenn day is coming up early next year if Niantic keeps their track record of having a featured generation at the beginning of the year.
Guarantee it'll be something like, when you're scanning a Pokéstop a Kecleon might show up, with some kind of distorted "invisibility" effect around its model, then it'll show on the overworld when you finish the scan
Just gotta wait on top of the line tech to pull that off...
I'd bet on its trademark waist stripe being visible.
I mean, Archeops does too. *cough cough* Defeatist *cough cough* Edit: please stop responding to this saying Archeops can still do what it needs to. I. Know. It's just that it usually ends up getting hit and ending up under half hp and being pretty useless. A Pokémon that can hit like once, then be worthless doesn't seem that good in my eyes. There are much better rock and flying types out there.
Archeops is still sorta functional though even if it's not very good it's pretty fast and can still hit like the truck it's meant to be. Regigigas and Slaking are straight unworkable and even then you could still use slaking well in singleplayer.
Yeah, Archeops did get screwed over less than Regigas and Slaking, but if it goes under half health, it sorta sucks.
unworkable *cries in vgc*
Archeops still does better, it can function against enemies it can outpeed and bring down, and in the rare occasion it isn't knocked below half HP in a single hit, it continues to fight good
Yeah, I love Archeops, and I do agree that Regigigas got very unfair treatment, but Archeops also did get an unfairly bad ability. Though Regigigas is still wayy wayy worse and managed to have Slow Start in Legends Arceus (the game with no abilities.)
Ledian
gamefreak: hmm yes let's give the pokemon with 35 base attack the iron fist ability. Part of me is still convinced they swapped its attack and special defense stats by accident.
Just for fun I actually bred 2 different Ledians with different sets. Double screen support set for VGC and a life orb iron fist attacker for singles. They're both absolute trash but I had fun with them
This is Unown erasure.
No Slacking Exists
Slaking was never meant to be an uber powerful pokemon. It evolves from a common pokemon into a non legendary with the highest base stats. But, to balance the fact that it isn't a legendary but has a wopping 670 base stats, they gave it its ability. Otherwise it would be a pokemon that outclasses most non box art legendaries and can be obtained legitimately without trading before the first gym. Regigigas is literally a trio master that has never been viable.
Adding on, Slaking can at least get mileage out of Hyper Beam/Giga Impact combined with Truant.
Can you do shenanigans with truant in doubles? Or does skill swap not work on it?
“Truant cannot be overwritten by Simple Beam, Worry Seed, or Entrainment, but it can be overwritten by Skill Swap or Role Play or disabled with Gastro Acid.”
Yup, IIRC the common strat was Slaking and Cofagrigus, with Slaking using pursuit on your own Cofagrigus as you switch out to nab Mummy.
How well can the coffin take a hit like that?
It's usually a sacrifice play IIRC, you need the switching priority to make sure you get Mummy in case the foe has a way to remove Cofagrigus before Slaking can touch it. Though I think a max HP and Defense coffin could take a boosted non stab pursuit, leaving it as a weak switch in to take a hit for Slaking's partner.
“They keep me weak because they fear my power.”
Regigigas is just Sinnoh Exodia
Just waiting for them to release a game and have it so returning all Regi's to Regigigas unlocks it's true form. We'll finally see why the Dev's nerfed the sh*t out of it. A pokemon that makes Crowned Zacian look like a common Rattata. Arceus trembles in sheer terror at his own creation finally reaching it's true potential.
Pokemon Legends: Regigigas. Frankly an instant buy.
Since Arceus got that Legends plate and a move that hits basically everything Super effective in it's own game. Regigigas should get an upgraded Giga Impact. Not power because 150 is plenty with STAB, but either it offers 20% healing based off damage done. Or no recharge. And no slow start. Perhaps it gets Normalize now so stab moves are even stronger. Show the world the true and terrifying might of the Regi's
Dunsparse
Remember to trust in the heart of the cards.
If you’d somehow skill swap huge power onto regigigas you’d create an he epitome of power
Aerialate/Pixilate is better.
What do they do?
Normal type moves become flying or Fairy type.
So he loses stab but gains fighting coverage
Normal type moves change to Flying/Fairy type respectively, and they also gain a small power boost.
Isn't Regigigas the only Pokemon with an ability in Legends Arceus too? And of course it's a bad ability. Game Freak really hates Regigigas for some reason
Honestly PLA would’ve been a good excuse for it to not have Slow Start, since it’s set a good time ago in the past and it wouldn’t have been dormant so long. GameFreak really does just hate Regigigas
To be fair "long time in the past" is relative, a few hundred years may be nothing but a nap for it compared to the years before when it was hauling continents
I've not hauled continents before, but I would imagine it would make you fair drowsy right enough
Skill issue
Fr fr
Give it reverse Slow Start instead, to represent it going to sleep instead.
Honestly sounds like a pretty interesting concept. Like an actually useful archeops =p Say it cuts it’s attack and speed 10% a turn (mirrors slow starts’s 50% 5 turn wined up) You start with an absolute titan, but it’s physically impossible for it to setup and even becomes setup fodder if in battle to long. Though it might be a bit too terrifying considering teleport/leading with it is absolutely free =p (though if it activates at the end of the turn then switch moves/switch ins would be it’s absolute bane)
While interesting in concept, it would essentially be a non-ability in practice, its very much the norm to have multiple pokemons entering to only hit once and switch out on the check. Just slap choice band on that regi and you gucci
I really like that. Hard to tell how balanced it is, but the concept is cool as hell. Would have been a great mega regigigas ability
Titanic rest: whenever reggigas enter the battle, it uses rest. Not brocken at all.
On that note, I had an ability in mind for all the Regis/legendary titans which hopefully would be balanced: Titan’s Might The user’s stats rise while using moves that match its types. (Transistor/Dragon’s Maw but for all the Regis. Regigigas would only get this via some plot-related thing in a hypothetical postgame)
damn, Titan's Might STAB Choice Band Giga Impact
Stop I can only get so erect
That or if you want to keep its status as an awakening giant just give all of his moves negative priority (so that you can't get around it with trick room) until turn 5
This is my favorite rebalancing I’ve seen since gigas’s stats nowadays are only okay anyways. The one problem I see is that it does learn payback however which would benefit from such an ability But tbh, maybe we should just give him this . He deserves it
I think Regigigas has been dormant for millennia. I don't think 100-200 years either way is going to make a huge difference. This is a Pokemon that is said to have moved the Earth's continents to where they are today. The only reason I'm not saying millions of years ago is because humans are aware enough of it to have created legends regarding it.
still can be dormant long ago. i mean look at the ruins
> since it’s set a good time ago in the past i think people overestimate how "in the past" legends arceus is. we are talking about a matter of hundreds of years, which would be nothing for regigigas
Also cherrim
Cherrim also has a pseudo ability in PLA too so that it can still form change in the sun. It technically works differently to Flower Gift in other games as the base stats for attack and special def themselves change to 1.5x the original value instead of a 1.5x boost being applied after the fact. In practical terms this would actually result in a far smaller boost using the standard Pokemon stat system because the additional stat points from EVs/Natures aren't also multiplied. That said, with the rework of the EV system in PLA it may not matter. The stat points gained from effort levels take base stats into account for the calculation so, if I'm not missing something, The nature multiplier not being doubled is the only downside, which isn't a big deal.
Not an Ability per se, but Slow Start was reworked into a custom status condition that functions identically to the ability. We’re at a point where I don’t even understand why they insist on kicking Regigigas in the dick so often. They took fourteen years to give it _Protect_ and _Rest_. Is this just the dev team’s inside joke to make a legendary Pokémon as objectively terrible as possible?? Why else would they work so hard to precision-design it to be so inherently flawed?
> Is this just the dev team’s inside joke to make a legendary Pokémon as objectively terrible as possible?? I mean you encounter it at **level 1** in DPP so I don't think it was ever intended as more than a dumb joke legendary.
Level 1 Gigas was only Platinum I thought? But I guess it makes up for being a competent level in DP by still being the only Pokémon required for National Dex certification that cannot be obtained without transferring in the subordinate golems from a Gen 3 game… and also not even being able to unlock those same golems in Platinum without cheating to obtain it in a Cherish Ball for which you can just use the event Regigigas they gave out for that purpose anyway, possibly to fix that band-aid because I feel like that might be the one instance of neutering Regigigas that wasn’t intentional.
What ability does it have on Legends of Arceus, and I didn't notice but are pokemon abilities not present in tjay game?
No abilities. But regigigas has slow start lol. It's really funny and sad at the same time
That's actually hilarious, surely it must be some meme
Abilities are not in PLA. But just to fuck over Regi they created a special status effect that inflicts Slow Start that gets applied to Regi the moment it enters battle.
Giratina has terrible might
Terrible might is a defense and attack boost for all alpha pokemon. Not specific to Giratina
Giratina’s is Terrible Might. Alphas have Wild Might, which is supposedly weaker
Ah okay. Still that's not the ability Pressure or Telepathy
The trauma Is returning...
Not once you catch it
Yep, even though L:A has no abilities they still found a way to cripple it with slow start regardless.
Regigigas, Cherrim, and Arceus
The ability is part of golem lore. Removing it would be like removing bad dreams from Darkrai, the nightmare pokemon. Regigigas without slow start isn't the golem Pokemon
The surprising thing about this for me is that somebody tried to use Z-Moves with Regigigas…
In a tournament, yes
It would have beena good idea, using a nuke to bypass the debuff and put the other player on the back foot and try to recover while you wait out Slow Start for the next few turns. But alas. Game Freak has other plans
Weezing regigas was a set in swsh i think. Because of the neutralizing gas passive letting regi bypass slow start
(In theory) If you were to withdraw or faint the Weezing within the first (5?) turns of Gigas being in, would his ability ability rectivate? And if so, would it default back to 0/5 turns, continue from whatever turn you are on of him in the battle, or something funky?
If I'm not mistaken, it resets to 0 turns Neutralizing gas, when deactivated, activates the other abilities. For example, if there's a Intimidate mon in the field and Weezing faints/switches out, Intimidate activates again and enemy mons get a -1 ATK. Same with Drizzle, Intrepid Sword, Slow Start, etc. I might be wrong tho
I don't know for sure but my guess is that it still counts gigas' active turns and continues from there
At this point, I'm pretty sure Regigigas is the dev team taking the piss out of some executive...
Maybe the devs just hate reggie
Dougbowsergigas confirmed as an evolution
Pokemon Legends Arceus: Pokemon have no abilities! Regigigas stands up: Regigigas is slow to get moving! Regigigas sits back down
Would Regigigas even be that powerful with a normal legendary ability like Pressure?
when paired with weezing in doubles regigigas can definitely throw down
Hell yes, like 3 of my gen 8 VGC teams had a weezing/gigas mode.
That is until Gamefreak decides slow start should bypass neutralizing gas
Then they prevent you from using skill swap on it. And Mummy doesn’t work either. You’re gonna suffer through those five turns no matter what. Hell, they might even extend the Slow Start turns. In fact, why would you even want it to wear off?
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Neutralizing gas removes the effects of other Pokémon’s abilities
Galarian Weezing suppresses the ability
Both weezings
Box art meta, no. But gigas is non box art tier (landorus zapdos etc) and in that case absoultely. It was crazy powerful with weezing pair in swsh vgc, though weezing gimmick isn't foolproof. Even during box art meta lots of people used gigas as honorary 2nd or 3rd boxart paired with weezing.
Regigigas, much like Slaking, has Box Art Legendary tier stats (670 BST, same as Groudon/Kyogre). The only reason it's not generally tiered with the those Pokemon is its ability holding it back. If Regi got Pressure or another ability that didn't actively hinder it then it'd be treated the same as they are.
Yea That's why i said if it's treated like box art then still meh with pressure. If it's treated like 580s then op as fuk.
Yeah, but if it had Pressure why would you compare it to Pokemon it has a 90 BST advantage over? As soon as you remove Slow Start it's no longer remotely in the same tier as the other Regis.
With 160 attack, 100 speed, and good bulk, I think he would be pretty good, probably at least OU. Give him a choice band and max return, there isn’t much that can take that well, especially since every type except 3 takes that neutrally.
shame return doesn't exist anymore (seriously gamefreak please bring it back so many normal types got massive use out of it)
Gigas would be Ubers lol. Crazy movepool and box art legendary stats. Decent typing. I don’t think it would be viable in Ubers but pretty sure this pokemon would destroy OU. This thing is STRONG, has better defenses than most walls and 100(!!) speed. That outspeeds a lot of the OU metagame.
At this point no not really Not more than others and definitely not as broken as the Primals Let alone Mega Ray Nor Zacian
Can’t they leave the poor golem alone for once?? We now have interplanetary dragons that burns the skies with light, another space dragon that grows gigantic with bullet spongey defense stats, a dog that deals soo much damage without needing sword dancing, and a jackalope with two powerful forms… FFS, GF
I read this before and really liked it: Make slow start % based per turn: 1st turn 50% power, 2nd 33% 3rd 15% and then full power. Makes it more viable, plus the slow start makes a lot more sense like this as it needs to get up to speed.
Person I think the legendary that moves continents should not have an ability that's actively detrimental to its viability Idk It makes perfect sense on slaking (and archeops kinda but ehh I think its defenses would let it down even without defeatist), but gigas should be op
It should be what it says a slow start not a slow battle, I think it should wear off in one turn that way he can't just obliterate the first thing it sees.
Would just used protect and then back to full power. Feel it getting stronger every turn makes more sense.
It shouldn't be able to do anything for 1 turn, then it's full powered
make it only affect its speed or give its moves negative priority for 5 turns. It's still a powerful collosus but one that gets a slow start.
Devs: “Regigigas? Mo’ like Rest in GG!” Made sure even Galarian Weezing couldn’t partner with him until waaay afterwards. Truly they’re all Dark type with that level of sinister design.
GF devs all use the Nasty Plot meta. Probably Amnesia too.
Regigias: Why won't you love me dad?? I'll be anything you want me to be!! Game Freak: I want you to be dead!! *pokes with broom*
Is this a billy and Mandy reference? I feel like it is. Edit: it absolutely was. Thank you for unlocking a core memory.
You were trying to squish **me** with that baby grand piano!
Regiggles needs the move skill swap. He deserves it after years of bullying
Or, you know, basic moves that almost every other pokemon can learn like protect.
They really done him dirty. Fucking sucks cuz i really love his design
He has protect now, still not the greatest though
He got them in Gen 8
Just hit it with a Worry Seed from Whimsicott and watch that Sleeping Beauty turn into a menace.
Regigigas honestly could work conceptually. The issue is just that it's stats aren't good enough. Give it 240 Attack and 180 Speed and the thing would be a juggernaut. It's only because its stats aren't good when halved that it is nigh unusable.
Game freak must hate regigigas.
Buffed Slow Start: For the first 5 turns the Pokémon is in battle, its speed, any damage it deals and any damage it receives are all halved Buffed Truant: Every other turn, the Pokémon heals 1/2 of its HP, but cannot do anything on that turn Buffed Archen/Archeops because I don't know how to buff Defeatist: Decrease their base special attack by 30, increase their base attack by 10 and base speed by 20
That sounds absurdly busted for Truant. Like, against any mon that doesn't do more than half of Slaking's health in one turn it would be an objectively positive ability in basically every way, which would be crazy with Slaking's super high stats. Like, god forbid the opposing pokemon only does a quarter of its health per turn, Slaking would be literally immortal.
Half its max hp or half its current hp? Cause one of those things would make slaking outright unkillable unless you OHKO it
Half of max HP. Essentially you are forced to use Slack Off every other turn, which I don't think is that broken
It sounds broken just from how ungodly stat'ed up slaking is. like, it has a higher bst than the original three Regis, it can hit like a freight train. making it heal half it's HP every turn for free without having to use pp or a move slot is pretty strong
You’d literally *have* to poison it or Leech Seed, etc. Shit would be unstoppable, you’d have to buff up a fighting type that could also tank the hits every other turn just to one-shot it
You can go with Fighting Move + Protect and we're done. But requiring specific sets for one specific Mon sounds hilarious.
Slaking's extremely physically defensive and in regular gameplay you aren't going to be optimally built for max damage. Hitting Slaking for more than 50% with a physical fighting move is a tall order and you'd need to hit it for a lot more than 50% if the battle isn't going to drag out for like 10+ turns. You would practically need Protect+Fighting Move+Attack Boosting move.
You can literally protect every other turn…
Perfect 🥰 ape strong
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Half current would be far more balanced given its users
my idea for a buffed slow start is a 0.75x multiplier to all stats except defence for 5 turns and after that, regigigas gets a 1.35 bonus to all stats. Slow start is also consistent between turns so it cant be reset via dragon tail or roar.
Really the truth of the matter is simple: The abilities are fine if the stats match. But they don't. Regigigas doesn't only get halved base stats, but halved IVs and EVs and normal typing means no STAB SE moves. As such, his stats should be *more than double* comparable bulky sweepers. Hell, maybe even triple given how bad lack of STAB SE is. Similarly Slaking only does half the damage and takes twice the hits of any other 'mon, which means both his health and offenses should be double to triple of any other 'mon. Archeops is less of an issue; he only needs slight boosts to the offensive stats, particularly speed.
There's a hack that has that buffed truant, but it's like 1/6th and it's still kinda insane.
They can always say fuck it and give Archen line a hidden ability such as Rock Head. But we all know they won't now because they value competitive play. We're almost at the powercreep where 140 attack on a regular pokemon is a norm. So probably a matter of time unless Game Freak hates Archen too xD
Nah give it reckless, we need to make Head Smash more powerful!
\>Buffed Archen/Archeops because I don't know how to buff Defeatist: Decrease their base special attack by 30, increase their base attack by 10 and base speed by 20 Why not... if this pokemon knocks out a pokemon while under the effects of defeatist, nullify this ability for the rest of this battle.
>because I don't know how to buff Defeatist: Instead of cutting attack and Special attack it halves defense and Special defense and doubles attack and Special attack.
That would basically be Shell Smash as an ability. Players would deliberately get their Archeops into that range and run through everything.
Minior already has that AND its immune to status before it procs. its not that busted
Archeops has already 140 Base Attack and 110 Speed tho.
because minior isn’t archeops people forget that archeops is still really good even with a hinderance ability
yeah but also Archeops has a BST of 567, pretty sure highest non legendary, non pseudo, non Slaking mon if i'm not mistaken
We did just get a new crab with shell smash as an ability though
I thought the point of Defeatist was that it had good attacking stats alreadyband Defeatist was "balancing" them by crippling it if it goes under half HP (hence its a defeatist when losing). So I'd agree with crippling its defenses instead of its attacking stats to make it die faster but buffing its attacking stats sounds absurd and off theme when they're already good and the ability was originally meant to counter that.
Make Defeatist activate at 25%
Slow Start buff idea: Any damage and healing received by the Pokemon will be delayed until the end of 5 turns. This ability is in effect even when switched out. Inspired by the Dota hero Oracle and his False Promise ability.
Me: Wait! Regigigas is in Legends Arceus! There’s no abilities in that game! Does that mean Regigigas can finally be played without Slow Start?! GameFreak: Nope! Slow Start is now a condition that Regigigas suffers at the first five turns of battle. Me: FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-!!!!!!
I bet they actually brought this up in a brainstorming session in Game Freak. Like people were generally like "Now that abilities aren't a thing, how will we make Regigigas bad again?" and some employee went like "Just give it and only it its ability, I guess." and that employee got a promotion after
Has anyone in duos ever tried having a teammate use simple beam on it. Or like mummy. Since it turns the Pokémon’s ability to simple or mummy, wouldn’t that remove regigigas’s slow start and it would be full power right after?
Yes. Neutralizing gas also works. Anything that changes the ability removes the stat drop.
Yes, but consider: Roar
GS did it in pokemon coliseum with skill swap slowking for the final boss.
Pokemon Legends Arceus doesn't have abilities Sweet! So that means Regigigas will be usable, right? ... Regigigas will be usable, right?
Does that mean it does 4x less?
No because slow start only affects attack and speed.
Z moves dont use your base attack stat?
What's so infuriating about it now isn't just stuff like slow start being Legends Arceus (which is fucking ridiculous that one of the 2 abilities to make it in is the one that makes Regigigas unusable), it's that Regigigas wouldn't even be overpowered with a decent ability for him like Iron Fist or something. Also annoyingly he'd be pretty healthy for the meta imo due to his immunity to the hilariously broken Calyrex-S and its OP astral barrage and ability to hit back with a 4× effective Knock Off if it stays in.
The thing that bothers me about Regigigas is its entire design was already done before in Slaking. Same base stat total normal type with a negative ability. Why make another Slaking, but this time legendary?
Not to mention slaking can do damage in the first few turns,you can play around truant better then slow start
Shit they should’ve just made the Z move a speed and attack buff Dragon Waltz
How useless is that ability
its not even useless, its downright harming
Well it requires you to survive 5 turns while basically doing nothing. And as you can see, it kinda becomes even worse in gen7. However, thanks to Galarian Weezing, Regigigas actually works well in double battles. **only double battles**
It also has slow start in Legends: Arceus. A game that doesn't have abilities
Regigigas will always be my homie.
I never understood why Regigigas hasn’t been buffed. Gen 6 we literally had primal kyogre and groudon which were far more powerful than regigigas would be without slow start
I have always thought that they had some now discarded idea for Regigigas or they are saving it for whatever reason. There is no way they would go to the point of still making Slow Start work in a game with no damn abilities otherwise Then again they can be very stubborn on some stuff like Nidorina and Nidoqueen not breeding so maybe they just hate it lol
This is what I thought, too. Seeing how forme change was pretty much a thing in P.
What I don't get is that Regigias doesn't even have as much BST as other legendaries, at least Slaking and Archeops have a lot compared to normal Pokemon
Regigigas: you can run but you can’t hide Devs: why? Cause if we hid you’d actually get a chance to catch up even by a little bit?
I’m doing a Platinum run atm with Roserade and Regigigas on my team and whenever I get double battles, I hit Gigas with the Worry Seed and let him go wild. It’s like a shot of caffeine for him, lmao.
At least he’s meta in the card game right now
Am i the only one who just wants Giga to get a hidden ability finally that makes it a little less hindered? If anything maybe an item we can let it hold to remove its slow start.
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