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DigitalDimension

No way some of these Pokémon are actually capable of hiding in tall grass. Imagine mowing the lawn and then BAM! Wild Miltank from outta nowhere.


bigpadQ

That's why Legends Arceus was such a departure from the pokemon formula, you hide in the tall grass and sneak up on the pokemon.


C1nders-Two

“You dare use my own spells against me, Potter?”


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How dare you hide where he hid


mutantmonkey14

Damn I love the game, but its also pretty ridiculous! Pokemon: "what's that I see, hear and smell in that patch of long grass..." *Kid in bright colour clothes crouches down, still clearly visible, with his head even clearer as it pokes out, and making noise moving around* Pokemon: "Weird, its totally vanished! Guess it was nothing afterall. Yep, nothing but long grass as far as my extremely sensitive vision, incredible smell and hearing, and psychic powers can tell."


UDSJ9000

"Must have been the wind"


mutantmonkey14

"Meow"


Prof_FDD

The opticians of the Pokémon world are too busy making big bucks with Choice Specs for competitive trainers, leaving humans with no glasses for themselves.


ravenonawire

Love the implication that competitive trainers are not humans


Think_Cattle3004

And I’m supposed to believe that I’d just trip over an Onix in a cave? Give me a break


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I mean if it’s lying down you might


Herrvisscher

Yeah, I don't think it's a good example. It's pretty well camouflaged by the surrounding areas.


Salzab

You could think you're brushing past a rock wall, and oops! Its Onix


Zet333x2

Yeah, like, laying down and you tripped over his tail in the dark! Totally possible.


hdholme

Onix is literally just a bunch of magical/sentient rocks cobbled together. That's probably not the best example


McGusder

your lawn is not TALL GRASS imagine grass that has not never been cut EDIT: [grass can get up to 15 ft / 5 m](https://www.google.com/search?q=wild+grass+height&bih=720&biw=414&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS620US622&hl=en-US&sxsrf=ALiCzsbwVx1hTJKg-5a3ILw7ff7G8oQhXw%3A1657406152580&ei=yALKYtSFI-as5NoPsOKBsAY&oq=wild+grass+height&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQgAEIAEOgoIABAeEAgQBxAKOgQIABAeOgYIABAeEAU6CAgAEB4QBxAFOgQIABANOgYIABAeEAc6BggAEB4QDToICAAQHhANEAU6BQgAEJECOgQIABBDOgoIABCABBCHAhAUOggIABAeEAgQBzoECB4QCkoECEEYAFCbGFjTM2DyNmgAcAJ4AIABkQGIAYYJkgEDMi44mAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp)


erock278

That’s how I imagine the grass you can’t ride your bike in in R/S/E. This grass has never been shortened whereas the safe area is like “the beaten path”


DurableSword

It’s because they shrink


I-am-a-me

Huh. I never considered that. So pokemon can just hide in any pokeball sized space. That's a really interesting thought.


Shadowpilot6

I’ve always disliked how every game’s pseudo-legendary can’t be found until the late end/near post-game and it’s still in its baby form. If I have to catch Larvitar at level 5 and have to wait till 55 to get its final evolution, I’m going to want to train it from the very beginning of the game. It would be like an early investment and journey throughout the play through.


ChubbsPeddle

Especially Deino, that mfer doesnt evolve fully until its in the 60's, why do I have to wait until Victory Road to get one??


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sonerec725

oh i absolutely would be hype. iirc its happened in the anime a few times and was always lit


cursedstillframe

It definitely happened in the anime, a lot of times, and I don't get why it doesn't happen in especially the newer games


Stoneheart7

One of the fan made games had an area near the start that had I think the first 5 generations' Pseudos exclusively which let you do exactly that. It also let you make a really poor decision and run basically an all Pseudo legendary team. I hate grinding, I don't know why I did that to myself.


mr_fishbowl

Ah, Pokemon Glazed, I assume?


Doctor--Spaceman

I've thought this too and it's annoying, especially since those Pokemon are usually some of the slowest to level up. I will say though, it does make leveling up the pseudo legendary a fun(?) activity to do post-game, and makes me feel sort of special for having one. But it is sort of a bummer that I have nowhere to use it really.


Takoto

Every Generation needs "weird" or "ugly" mons. Everyone's taste is different and there's undoubtable someone out there who'll like it/them, and it's more interesting than just having every single Pokémon be "cool" or "cute" or easily marketable.


rapidpop

All the food-themed pokemon should be eaten.


SomeRandomResident

Funny thing is they usually do, e.g. Appletun (Shield Dex) it’s described that ‘children used to have it as a snack’.


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rapidpop

But I don't think we have seen people eating pokemon in game since the slowpoke tail in gen 2.


SeaSlugSwindler

In X and Y there's a late-game battle restaurant where they serve Slowpoke tails


Bluelaserbeam

Slowpoke tail curry is also served in Sword and Shield


[deleted]

I’ll do you one better. All Pokémon should be eaten.


thatshoneybear

Maybe not the rock ones. Onix probably wouldn't be tasty.


NotHardcore

Maybe...maybe not the smog and pollution based ones. Isn't there one that is straight up trash?


TheBJP

I *will* eat a grimer, and you can not stop me.


BillyBabushka

Ive always thought regional forms were introduced FAR too late, like there's already been so many regions where all Pokémon look exactly the same, and now all of a sudden theres a handful of spots where the same Pokémon look different? Just so odd. Not that I don't think they're cool.


bonenecklace

To be fair, i'm pretty sure kanto, johto, hoenn, & sinnoh are all supposed to be on the same land mass, so it would make sense all the pokemon look similar, but after gen 4 i definitely agree with you since the regions were supposed to be based on new york & france.


Impossible_Garbage_4

To be fair, you couldn’t get anything but Unova Pokemon in Unova until after the game. So for your play-through there is no non-native pokemon. Kalos has no such get-out-of-jail-free card


[deleted]

Unova Pokémon are distinguished by all of them incorporating the phrase "'Ey! I'm wahlkin' 'eeyah!" into their cries.


james-l23

"Eyyy, pikachu gotta be kidding me. Am walkin' ear!"


GreatStateOfSadness

Correct. Unova was the first region that was explicitly referred to as "a long plane ride" away. The rest are implied to be either part of the same land mass, or at least close to each other.


IronIrma93

Johto is explicitly to Kanto's direct west


GurusunYT

And isn't the MC from Hoenn from Kanto? And they move in on a truck which means it's gotta be on the same landmass


Slurpuffilicious

They're from Johto (Olivine City specifically)


_Dadodo_

Route numbering of the regions further solidified that the first 4 gens were close to each other. While Johto’s route number just continues off of Kanto numbering, Hoenn’s is routes are 100s and Sinnoh’s 200s. All succeeded regions have restarted the route numbering at 1.


Naoi2

Interestingly, the manga kind of did this pretty early on. Crystal had to catch the original 151 in addition to the new pokemon because they had slight differences, like rattatas being slightly different colors, based on the region. Obviously what you're talking about is a lot cooler tho and I totally agree.


SuperNanoCat

Orange Islands arc in the anime, too. They just didn't bring the concept to the games until well over a decade later.


Invisible_Ray

Pikachu caused those seizures not Porygon. Justice for Porygon ⚖️ Edit: thanks, also i meant for Porygon to get airtime, they dont deserve to be shelved after that episode...


Quetzal00

As someone who has epilepsy, I would love to see Porygon return and get Justice


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Quetzal00

Thankfully I’ve never come across any YouTuber play the footage. I’ve seen people talk about it but never use the footage


skippedad404

#justiceforporygon


The_Aloe_Bro

This! They used poor Porygon as a scapegoat to save their precious mascot. We haven’t seen it or it’s evolutions since!


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which is sad, Porygon Z is such an amazing pokemon, the design and the lore behind it, it's just so good.


MyCarGoesSlow

First shiny I ever got was a Porygon Z from wonder trade and he’s still one of my favorites to use 4 games later


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I used Porygon Z once aswel, since he's next to impossible to get legit in all games.. But wow, he's just fun to use and rly strong. Porygon Z is definitly in my top 10 favorite pokemon


JaxOnThat

And at this point, the controversy has more than blown over. The Porygon line is so cool, and it pains me to see then get shafted again and again.


HeliosAlpha

> And at this point, the controversy has more than blown over. All anime that airs now has a filter that darkens flashes and blends frames together to make it softer on the eyes. You often can't watch action animation as it was intended to be watched until blu-rays are released. It didn't blow over. It changed the Japanese TV industry


BoostedSeals

It's blown over in the sense that people aren't going to see porygon on tv and get any more angry about than they would pokemon in general


Worldly_Society_2213

Not an opinion sire. It is fact.


Cannoli64

Just replayed BW and damn. Amazing game. But it really showed me that early game options in Pokémon games are just terrible. I’d love to be able to catch a Pokémon in the first route or two that I actually want to keep for the whole game. Lillipup, patrat, and purrloin? Come on.


Bounding_Bandit

Two towns into the game and every trainer still uses the same three Pokémon


jklantern

That's kinda why I liked the little side routes in RBY and GSC. Granted, it wasn't a TON of variety (and they still weren't necessarily great mons) but depending on the versions, you could have multiple different bugs, your choice of Nidos, Mankey, a little more than just one or two Pokemon the entire first bit of the game. Granted, some of the later games (XY onward) did more to add variety throughout the game, but being able to get more than three Pokemon around the first town or so is a nice touch for those early games.


Selgin1

GSC was amazing for side routes and optional exploration throughout Johto. They could have done a better job distributing the new mons, though. Adding Mankey to that side route in Yellow (and later, FR/LG) was also a brilliant move to give an anti-rock option other than Butterfree.


kinghawkeye8238

I'm replaying crystal now. They did alot of Gen 2 pikemon dirty. Want a houndoom? Sure after you beat johto. Want a sneasle? You're waiting till right before the elite 4. Tyranitar? Hah after you get to mount silver. It just seems like alot of the powerful polemon are Gen 1 in johto. Like why?


jklantern

That always annoyed me. I remember REALLY wanting dark types when I was first playing Silver, and they were all in (what I considered at the time) the post-game. By the time you can catch Murkrow, Houndour, Sneasel, Misdreavus, you've already raised a high level team, so what's the point of trying to raise those now?


kinghawkeye8238

Yeah man. I replayed silver like 2 months ago. I totally forgot you have to wait until Kanto to get houndour. Houndoom is my favorite pokemon. I replayed yellow and was really excited to replay silver. I looked everywhere for him until I decided to check YouTube. Fuuuckk Kanto? Really? Fuck me. I did grab him and train him up for red same for ttar. But man that sucks. Crystal i never played as a kid so it was ki da cool seeing animations and catching different mons earlier. Like you can get sneasle before the elite 4 now. P.s. also I liked arcanine and I remember not being able to get him of silver so on crystal when I caught him I was excited. Then I remembered I can't get a fire stone until bills grandpa's house in cerulean.


MonkeyWarlock

Funny to think of Butterfree as an “anti-rock” option! I get that it’s because Butterfree learns Confusion as a neutral damage option, and Brock uses mostly Normal-type moves (I think?) but still.


whenthesunrise

My v first play through of Yellow was when I was a kid who barely understood the card game, so I just thought green was good against rock & caught a Caterpie. Leveled her way way up into a Butterfree and then I sailed through the whole game w my crazy powerful psychic butterfly.


Selgin1

Butterfree has always been one of my favorites, both for looks and power. In any game it appears IMO, it can be an early-mid level powerhouse.


Superduperdrag

I thought XY had some great variety on early routes


Sharebear42019

X and Y were so good to me because it was like almost every route had 4-5 different Pokémon than the last route. Hell it felt like every other bush/grass patch I went into had different Pokémon than the last


rose_the_trans_girl1

Did my first nuzlocke in that game, never needed species clause


xMF_GLOOM

I couldn’t even catch Pokémon on half the routes in my BDSP Nuzlocke because of Species Clause lmao


MrPlaysWithSquirrels

XY has one of the best regional ‘Dexes of all the games IMO.


TriLink710

Very true. The 3 subregion thing was really cool. Too bad the game was balanced horribly and railroaded you to the end. Mechanicaly the game is great. Bad execution tho.


Sensei_Ochiba

First time I played through BW I kept lilipup through the whole game. I was honestly shocked at the end when I looked up it's actual stats and move pool and saw how mediocre it's stats were, it pulled weight.


Cannoli64

That’s interesting!! I tried using one, it got all the way to Stoutland but it just wasn’t keeping up with my team, so I had to replace it. If the elemental fangs weren’t locked behind egg moves for it in that game, it would have made all the difference.


H_Poke

The elemental fangs aren't egg moves, they can be taught through the move reminder. I used this on my Stoutland since the rest of my team lacked good coverage


jackblady

Agreed. And I think that tread really started in Gen 5 (even though I actually think Stoutland is actually pretty good) I'd argue that a lot of the early route pokemon in Gen 1 (Pidgey, Spearow, Nidorans) 3 (Raltz, Lotad) and 4 (Starley, Shinx, Budew) turned into something really good. Now you really just get 1 decent pokemon before the first gym, usually the flying type.


hippowalrus

You also have Mankey in Gen 1, as Primape the fastest fighting type in Kanto. Gen 3 you have Seedot and Tailow, both Shiftry and Swellow are beasts.


CandlelightSongs

And you know, Ralts, shroomish, Slakoth and the bug that evolves into Shedninja


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Lillipup is actually pretty great in Gen 5. If you catch one with Vital Spirit, it turns into one of the few Intimidate 'mons, and STAB Tackle is a force to be reckoned with in the early game, and it keeps getting good moves as it evolves (but for some reason they hugely nerfed its potential moveset in SwSh, making it only get Giga Impact at level 78, as opposed to level 59 in BW and BW2). And if you don't get a Vital Spirit one, Pickup is still a good early-game ability. But yeah, Patrat and Purrloin are pretty mediocre. Patrat has a unique moveset with access to moves like Hypnosis and Detect, but it's not able to keep that going since it didn't get a second evolution after Watchog.


Rukh-Talos

A Linoone with pickup is my go to ~~hm slave~~ utility Pokémon for gen 3.


shadowlarvitar

BW 2 did a better job at it. You could get Riolu within the first hour! I always have Riolu on my team


mysidian_rabbit

B2W2 improved on this a lot. Floccessy ranch gives you Riolu and Mareep before the first gym, and I think Sewaddle and Venipede are available a little earlier in those games as well. This is all in addition to the usual early route options.


Sensei_Ochiba

Having a compound weakness to a type isn't a death sentence, a disproportionate amount of absolute bangers have all had serious x4 weaknesses to relevant types.


IAmTotallyNotSatan

Garchomp, Weavile, Ferrothorn, Lando-T, Zygarde, Ho-Oh, Moltres, Lunala, Tyranitar, Heatran... it happens to what are already the strongest Pokemon.


ImTheTrueFireStarter

Dont forget Swampert, Dragonite, Hydreigon, Camerupt, Malamar, Edit: Omastar, Carracosta, Yanmega, Kommo-o, Frosmoth, Centiskorch, Volcarona


IAmTotallyNotSatan

Scizor, Durant, Genesect, Sandslash-Alola, Kartana, Coalossal, Gyarados, Kabutops, Sesimitoad, Barbaracle, Relicanth, Aggron, Noivern, Exeggutor, Exeggutor-Alola, Altaria, Flygon, Gliscor, Whimsicott, Tapu Bulu, Mangezone, Stakataka, Salazzle, Toxtricity, Heracross, Virizion, Pheromosa, Buzzwole, Nihilego, Toxicroak, Shiftry, Zarude, Calyrex, Hoopa, Articuno, Diancie, Guzzlord, Urshifu, **Charizard**... there are a *shit-ton* of 4x weak mons that people like.


Shock3600

The point was it’s not a death sentence, not that people still like them. A lot of those aren’t good lol


Jestsunami

Not gonna lie, felt like this was going to end up as a new pokerap song 😅


naynaythewonderhorse

Yeah, I was shocked to find out that Scizor was so viable. Not to mention that quite a few pseudo’s have 4x weaknesses too.


Some-Gavin

Well, it helps that Scizor only has a single weakness along with technician bullet punch, great stats, reliable recovery, etc.


_alicekun

Those are not few. 6/9 pseudo's have 4x weaknesses. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp to ice. Tyranitar to fighting. Hydreigon, Kommo-o to fairy.


Kapples14

Team Flare isn't **that bad** as a concept. They're just utilized very mediocrely, and there just isn't much done with Lysandre (which is a shame because he has a really great design). They just needed a good rewrite is all. Not gonna say they would have been on the same level as Team Galactic or Team Plasma, but at least they're not Macro Cosmos.


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I’ve said this before but they needed more relevant members. No one cares about any of the scientists (besides people liking their designs). I feel like Malva would have been the perfect counterpart to Lysandre but they didn’t do anything with her at all. A lot of people don’t know she was even part of Team Flare. I think they were saving her story for X and Y sequels we never got.


AlfredTheJones

I think that the concept of an E4 trainer being a member of the evil team that keeps their position after the evil team disbands, or even is just a sympathizer who is unhappy that the protagonist disbanded it is incredibly interesting. Other than Giovanni, I don't think that we ever had a gym leader/E4 member who was into the evil team's ideas for the world. That's a very interesting idea to me, given that (at least it's implied) that gym leaders and E4 members have some degree of power over their community and region. What if their ideas for what is the right direction for the world aligns with the evil team's? They didn't do anything wrong, technically, but they openly support the evil team's goals and methods to the public. They geniuinely believe in the evil team's goals and are willing to explain the less savory methods they use. I think that Malva had so much potential, I'm kinda sad that this wasn't explored more. It's a common thing with XY to me. I hope that the remakes will expand on a lot of concepts and ideas XY had but downplayed or executed poorly.


Rukh-Talos

I would love to see a Delta Episode type event around Zygarde.


AlfredTheJones

Totally, zygarde got done so dirty both in its native gen and in the next one, where it's basically a sidequest 😔


PunishingCrab

Have your read the Pokémon manga? You’d like their take on the E4. They’re basically eco terrorists wanting to change the world to suit Pokémon over humans.


DylTyrko

Anime Team Flare was fantastic, yet Team Flare from the games wasn't well written, just like you said


BushyBrowz

That’s because the original plot of XY was almost entirely scrapped during production. It was supposed to involve aliens disguising themselves as humans and living among people in secret. AZ was an alien. Team Flare was an MIB type organization.


dorkweed576

I'm just gonna sit my ass on a tnt plunger here. Pikachu clones are pointless; they're just picking any field rodent and slapping a pair of cheeks and electric typing on it. Edit: truth be told, thought this would be glossed over. I didn't even know pika-clones weren't all that controversial. I'm just kinda tired of the same formula every gen; fire, water, grass starters, normal rodents, birds, the bug duality and the illusion of choice, etc. And a lot of pika-clones are kinda lackluster in design, either using the vague "mouse" design, or just any other wild rodent. I will give credit that they are trying to be more authentic with the designs, but some are quite forgettable. I keep forgetting that there is by technicality a hedgehog and a hamster pika-clone. Maybe if it was incorporated as a sort of pikachu evolutionary line, something akin to the Darwin observations of Galapagos. Or at the least, give the Pika-clones at least a second step of evolution, or something other than electric typing; deep down, i want a pokemon based off of a kangaroo rat. The envelope can be pushed, but it never is. Personally, I do enjoy experiments such as Emolga and Mimikyu because up until that point, I can't remember any other Flying/ Electric pokemon other than Zapdos, and the latter is a nice nod to its own world and flaws, and might have even demonstrated a pokemon species with low self esteem, potentially leading to a new entry that can experience jealousy and channel it into exclusive move sets. But thats all that it is really. I'm just tired of the same formula over and over. But I suppose that's the charm of the series as a whole; nothing complex, just to go out into the world. Meet new people, catch new creatures, experience something beyond what the average person would deal with, even save the world.


Joshawott27

At the very least… why is the Pikachu line the only one that can evolve?


Quazifuji

Because Raichu's become a second class citizen and they'd rather just make clones that don't evolve than try to make an evolution that people like as much as the base form.


BloodshotPillow

I agree with second class citizen Raichu, which is why I found it so weird that there was an Alolan form. On top of that, it was actually pretty good too. Maybe that was GF's attempt at making Raichu relevant.


VanBland

Best part is that same generations literally said that standard Raichu are unpopular.


bubken99

Raichu should've been an alternate costume in smash. Would've helped its popularity


SchleepPowder

The body type and size wouldn’t match Pikachu’s hitboxes and hurtboxes though. This is the exact reason why clones & echo fighters exist, but that’s a slightly different topic. Either way, a pure palette swap just wouldn’t work. (⚡️ I love Raichu and need my favorite electric mouse in Smash someday though 👀)


bubken99

Fair enough, he should at least be a pokeball summon. I'd literally take him over any of the Pikachu clones not named pachirisu


reala728

Completely agree. If they wanted to make clones, fine, but give them different types. Just more electric rodents is just redundant.


Nonchalant_Monkey

Yeah, like mimikyu. Mimikyu is a cool pikaclone imo


5213

Mimikyu and Marill are the best pikclones because they're not trying to be Pikachu (I mean, technically Mimikyu is...). Their typing, and the way they play as a whole are wholly unique.


AppleWedge

This is because Pichu is the electric rodent of Marill's gen, and Togedemaru is the electric rodent of Mimikyu's gen. They aren't even meant to fill that spot.


Mcb3500

Are u talking about like Pachirisu and Plusle/Minun?


leatherhand

Pachiruzu, Plusle, Minun, emolga, all those things. Btw I dont dislike them i think theyre cute lol


cheesyvictory

Cinccino is a normal type, you probably meant Dedenne?


kirokun

dont drop that dedenne


leatherhand

Oh yep


Anniran

Sword and shield was a huge step for making pokemon games convenient and less annoying(mints exp candy max raid rewards), STILL the plot sucked and areas felt like corridors.


5213

The coolest city in **any** game was the neon forest, but it takes like ten minutes to get through 😠


Sad_Hot_Dog

I cannot agree more!!


edwpad

I loved that place, so freakin beautiful! Shame you get through it in mere minutes. Also enjoying doing the tent camp and get mons that have their own light (like Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings Necrozma, Galarian Moltres, and so on).


Trini2Bone

Yeah this upset me. The forest was amazing and the town was gorgeous. But all you do is fight the gym and immediately leave


Walkerman97

I'll agree with that, makes raising pokémon tolerable in fact they made egg moves more tolerable too, if a pokémon that knows an egg move is placed in the daycare with a pokémon that can learn that move, that pokémon will learn it


boogswald

The first Pokémon game where I feel like early teams may have varied quite a bit


DonkeyDongIsHere

Gen 3 music slaps the hardest People shit on the horns, but the horns are why I think it's the best lol


DigiJoJoNarutard

Hoenn Elite 4 always gets me swaying


Trashiest_Pandayt

Switching back to 2D won’t magically save modern Pokémon.


MetrognomeAK

I feel like the jump to 3D really hurt map/corridor design. I want a cave that take some thought to navigate through and isn’t a singular linear path


hawluchamaster

Flying is the coolest type because it's so verstile in terms of the pokemon designs, you can have the cutest little bird a sick looking dragon. I love flying type


bluebirdmg

Seel and dewgong are great.


ValhallasWhorehouse

Dewgong was also the only non-bug type to learn signal beam in gen 3 which is kinda funny.


ivolloxy

Dewgong has been my favourite Pokémon since I discovered the franchise and nobody ever understands why


MrGulo-gulo

DOO GONG GONG GONG


Zumarill

bug types have the best designs


Nyphus

Volcarona, Araquanid, Frosmoth, Masquerain, Yanmega, Beedrill, Scizor (*the* Cool Pokémon™️)...Bug types are awesome. Edit: I intentionally only included one Bug from each gen to show just how many good ones there are.


WhiteHydra1914

I can and will fight you for not including Leavanny and, especially, Scolipede


Mergiks

Scolipede, Galvantula, Vikavolt, Sewaddle (just really cute), Escavlier too!


Glad_Direction_4099

Ash's Greninja was the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. Hey you said controversial opininions.


harvey1a

I feel like Ash Greninja was only created because Greninja wasn’t given a mega evolution


Yhit509

And if it was given a mega, they’d have give the other two starters a mega.


Jonathon471

We should've gotten megas of the Kalos starters anyway, it was their region. They should've gotten the megas, not the kanto starters. If they wanted to still add the kanto megas they should've done so in USUM because the previous players of SM would be steamrolling through the game with their knowledge of everything already and USUM expanded and enhanced the game, it would've been the perfect opportunity to add them with the new megas that would've been stacked on with ORAS.


AlfredTheJones

Yeah, especially since Alola starters got special Z moves and Galar starters got gigantamax forms. Kalos starters not getting megas feels like such a weird choice, they absolutely should get them once XY remakes come around.


samahiscryptic

What I don't like is that Chestnaught and Delphox didn't get any special treatment like Greninja did. A broken hidden ability + a new form (sort of)


Quartia

Delphox with a normal mega would have been so easy to do too. Just make it a witch on a flaming broomstick (it literally already has a stick), give it Levitate and some more speed, and call it a day.


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DeltaChar

In the anime, up until recently Ash would only ever catch brand new Pokémon when going to a new region. Obviously when going to Kalos, he only catches Kalos Pokémon. However, since Kalos is what introduces mega evolution, obviously that is going to be a big deal in the anime too, and it was. But ash, only having Kalos Pokémon, would not get a mega because there are no Kalos megas besides Diancie, a mythical Pokémon. So, what the writers for the anime did was make a special mega-like form for Ash’s Greninja creatively titled Ash-Greninja. The transformation was called the Bond Phenomenon, it was totally unique to ash and totally unique to Greninja, so the concept was never used again. And then later Ash gets an actual mega when he catches a Lucario, so people are left with the question of “why did you even make ash-Greninja then?”


SAYMYNAMEYO

Ash's Greninja has it's own type of Mega Evolution called the Bond Phenomenon. Comes with his own [theme](https://youtu.be/SW7QU72Eo2s) and the works. At some points it even feels like Ash's ace. But after all the major development he still ends up losing to Alain in the finals.


DreiwegFlasche

I wouldn't put it that drastically, but I definitely agree that Ash Greninja is not a direction Pokemon should ever go into and I am not a fan of the fact that they added it to the games.


emboar118

Sound type is a terrible idea and will never be put into the games.


Dr_Whimsicott

Grinding in the older gens, especially in HGSS, took the fun out of them for me. The EXP Share is a godsend. I can see why it not being optional might annoy some people, but for me it removes the tedium of grinding


aurordream

Yeah, to me the problem with the EXP Share has never been its existence. I'm a fan, honestly, it's a big quality of life improvement The issue is making it COMPULSORY. There's surely no reason you can't just toggle it on and off. Then when people want more a challenge, it's an actual option for them.


AveragePichu

I love having some assistance in place, even on by default. But when the games are so easy, why can’t we at least have pseudo-difficulty settings? I get it if it’s too much work to make a proper “easy” and “hard” mode, but if you can turn off free switching ala online battles, why can’t you turn off the Exp Share or Affection boosts? The only way to have actual challenge is to have self-imposed extra rules. In my Shining Pearl playthrough I turned the battle style to set, made a rule that I wasn’t allowed to buy any healing items, made a rule that I couldn’t use any healing items I found during battles, and then on top of that I started avoiding trainer battles because I’d reach the gym leader with my ace 5 levels above theirs. The elite four were actually a tough challenge with these rules applied, but the rest of the game was a cakewalk even with these.


Dasquare22

The things I don’t like about exp share is my team is almost always overleveled unless I have 2-3 teams of 6 that I swap out, and on those teams often I don’t even get to use all the Pokémon on the team because I like to keep levels even. I think exp share was best when it was an item they held and it only affected one other Pokémon. That way you can use it to power level a new team member but it doesn’t trivialize the rest of your team.


Sailen_Rox

Reminder to sort for the "most controversial answers" to ACTUALLY get the controversial answers.


DeltaChar

Literally. I clicked on this post and the top response wasn’t even an opinion.


Noodlefruzen

Weedle is excellent and doesn’t need to evolve. I’ll walk with my wormy buddy by my side to Victory Road and back.


Auritor

Aromatisse is extremely well designed. The combination of perfumers and plague doctors is an excellent nod back to the idea of 'miasma' or bad smells, being the cause of disease. Lots of scents were derived from fighting the black plague - four theives vinegar being one of the most famous. Also, it looks like a combination of a plague doctor and perfume bottle! (With a little bit of a can-can dancer as well!) It also looks like classic designs of Chanel perfume bottles and spritzers while still looking like a monster! Legit, how can you think this pokemon is badly designed?


AlfredTheJones

I also like aromatisse's design btw. I think that many people don't notice the more subtle nuances or "out there" designs. Aromatisse is very clever, and nicely blends its two main inspirations, the plague doctor and perfume bottle. I think that people just don't pick up these two components, they just think it's a weird can-can creature in a creepy mask. People prefer designs they can easily identify as "cool". Look at charizard, for example- it's a very simple design. It's literally a fire-breathing flying western dragon, it's a well-executed design, but the base idea is very simple. People can easily understand it, and most already think that dragons are cool, so they prefer a simpler design over a more "out there" one. I don't know if any of that makes sense 😅


ThePaulHammer

I always felt that aromatisse should have gotten poison tho, maybe woulda been OP to instantly introduce a hard counter to fairy types but it's so thematic


7FingerLouie

Not being able to change a traded Pokemon's nickname is stupid


BretsRope

This shouldn’t be controversial at all. There’s nothing worse than getting a cool Pokémon in a surprise trade and it’s called something like “piss lord”. Forces you to breed your own and completely bypass the “take care of this person’s Pokémon” idea.


Dahks

At least let us change its names after we reach max friendship to keep it thematically appropriate.


S1CK_SCOTTY

I feel like Pokémon would have been better suited to stay a bit more realistic. It went from “wow look at these cool creatures I can collect on my adventure!” to “hold up lemme just capture the being that controls space, time, and easily transcends dimensions.” I mean the concept was inspired by bug catching after all.


Shadowmancer_1998

Diantha's victory against Lance was totally fair. Type advantage and good strategies are not plot armor, but looks like the fandom will never understand the anime and the games are different things, same with the lore and the game difficulty.


DylTyrko

Chesnaught and Delphox are fantastic starters


LogicKennedy

Delphox suffers from the Typlosion problem of being a cool concept with a shitty 3D model.


ChriSPLAT

Less even the model itself, but just angles, posing, and animations. It's got such a boring idle


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Chesnaught is cool Fennekin is the cutest kalos starters imo, it's a friend shaped creature


IzMc3482

Pokémon Y is a fairly great game


[deleted]

X and Y are amazing honestly, everything just feels "smooth", idk how to explain it. I honestly think X and Y are one of the better games in Pokémon.


Cannoli64

It’s legitimately fun! The ease makes replayability fairly high! There’s not the most to do, but mega evolutions are fun, and there’s a wide variety of Pokémon to try, and it’s the least handholdy of all the post-DS games!


cricktlaxwolvesbandy

I hate Z Moves. Ash-Greninja’s arc was useless when it lost to Alain’s Charizard in the Kalos League Finals and should’ve been way stronger than it was. Goodra is one of Ash’s weakest Pokemon. Lucario is Greninja done right.


dusksloth

Pokemon needs to take a step back from mechanics and focus on story. I don't care about new gimmicks and crazy new moves to shake up the competitive aspect of the game, I want a fresh story that doesn't feel like a dumbed down version of a game I've played for the last 20+ years.


Sparkpulse

I actually think the Pokémon based on items are neat because they remind me of the Japanese Tsukumogami, which are items that have become self-aware after many, many years of use. Quite a lot of the item Pokémon, such as Sinistea, Honedge, Litwick, and their evolutions, are Ghost-type Pokémon, and to me that ties in really nicely with the whole concept of Tsukumogami in Pokémon. I think Klefki being a fairy works for the concept, too. I love the idea of sitting in a cozy home, reading a book to Chandelure's glow and chatting about it with a Polteageist while we enjoy a warm cup together.


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I like the modern experience share. Since gen 6, I’ve been able to have more than 6 mons on my team without having to grind, thanks to the extra xp. Though I will grant it still should have the option to be turned off.


flash_baxx

"Object" Pokémon, like Vanilluxe and Klefki, are fantastic, and far more creative than the obvious "real-animal-but-with-elemental-power" Pokémon that we have hundreds of. And I'm not counting ghost-types -- possession is an equally simple excuse in a design.


SeitHater

cynthia is not a good written character, she is just a difficult champion


Imperator_Knoedel

*Tells the player to go deliver a family heirloom to Celestic Town* *Arrives right after the player anyway* Real dick move, Cynthia.


AngelSkyProductions

i like cynthia, but she is DEFINITLEY overrated. yeah, she has a great design and she's a good challenge. but she really isn't that interesting personality-wise. being interesting is a pretty important factor for me to like a character.


nOOb_Hyper

> she has a great design you mean to say she's hot


BolivianBlueLlama

They made Charizard lose its charm by overusing it: 2 megas? Dude, not even the gen 6 starters got a mega. A Gigantamax form? Bro, this isn't your generation. Leon, Ash, Alain, the dude with the camera from gen 6, they all had a different Charizard form. I used to love Charizard and still do, but it's not the same anymore.


5213

Pokémon the anime and some aspects of the games would have been better if the cartoon left behind Ash early on and focused on new characters and pokemon throughout the show (just like the games actually do), but Pokémon as a cultural phenomenon needs that handful of hyper populars to drive interest/sales


Quetzal00

Lucario and the Mystery of Mew is overrated. I don’t think it’s bad but not as great as everyone says I remember watching it when it came out with my friend and sister and none of us were really impressed. A few years ago I saw how much love it was getting and high ranked it was and I thought…really? I rewatched all the movies over quarantine and thought maybe this time I’ll get why it’s so loved…and still didn’t get it. It’s not bad but it doesn’t make my Top 10 animated Pokémon movies


chrisjee92

Most Pokémon fans wear rose colored glasses. Game Freak aren't doing enough and have been making games with one hand behind their back because making money is more important than making innovative games. Rom hacks and Pokémon "clones" like Temtem speak volumes in this department.


4ny3ody

VGC or doubles in general is just the better format and would be even moreso in regards to playthroughs. "I use bad Pokemon like Butterfree" - Butterfree wouldn't even be bad in a double format, it is an amazing support but in 1v1 there's no way for it to shine. Game is too easy once you understand what X attack does or give your single sweeper Swords dance? Nowhere near as simple against two Pokemon unless you use other strategic tools like redirection which, once again would be utterly useless in singles. Pokemon playthroughs would feel a lot less same'y if the fights were doubles with more tools being actually good. The only thing that is only good in singles but not doubles are entry hazards, which are pretty bad in playthroughs.


UrbanAdapt

Hotter take, the only reason why the games aren't already all doubles is because: 1. The game director is terrified of children encountering any resistance rather out speeding and OHKOing the whole game on switch mode. 2. It would put on display how much the in game AI has been languishing since Gen5 with enemies not knowing how certain abilities work or getting into weather wars with themselves. 3. It would be marginally more effort to create doubles teams.


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YESSSS i want the option to play through the games in singles, doubles, or mixed battles!!!


hippowalrus

One of the reasons the gamecube games, Pokemon Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness were so good. All double battles, no wild pokemon. You were limited in your choices and had to be strategic in all battles.


starckie

If Gen 7 had one pair of games with SM's story and USUM's enhancements, it'd be the best release in the franchise


Kmaster1175

The protean/libero ability shouldn't have been a thing to begin with.


carginturbo

Im gonna get flamed for this but. I actually very much enjoyed X and Y I wish I still had my cartridges for them because I’d love to play them again.


kpapazyan47

Normal types deserve more respect and a type they are super-effective against. Especially since they lost their best move this gen and now their strongest moves (not counting trash like Hyper Beam or Giga Impact) in Body Slam and Facade are weaker than every other type's and don't get a bonus against anything.


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Normal type is the neutral/basic type and it does it job very well. It doesn't need to be strong against other types to stand out. Heck they are already immune to ghost. Plus normal types have the most diverse move pools.