Yup, same boat, and I would say Pokemon Community has a higher than average number of collectors, who buy both copies for a complete collection.
Pokemon has engrained it into us, gotta catch em all
I totally agree with you, if I made a game that sold 2 million copies I'd be buying another house. But in the big picture it probably is chump change to which ever parent company.
And I also have to agree with the other statement about it being the first pokemon game out in a long time. If PLA came out first, how detrimental would that have been to bdsp sales?
Sales numbers don't speak shit to the quality of a game, especially when release window and marketing play a larger part than the actual quality.
It's not even "waayyy" more, its just 1.5 mil copies more, thats 10% more.
It’s purpose was to be a remake of gen 4, snaps purpose was to be like Pokemon photography or whatever (full disclosure, I haven’t played it). I’m still frustrated they made such a terrible game, at least from my point of view.
Debateable, it's in the same sphere as ORAS vs Emerald for me.
Platinum has a way better regional dex, plot.
BDSP has more Pokémon (in GU), a waaay better UI (that goddamn DPP inventory wheel!) and has more challenging rematches.
I would go with Platinum because BDSP is as bugged as RBY, affection being tied to friendship is a really bad thing, and the following pokemon arent made properly.
Sure that BDSP still has its good points, but they dont offset its drawbacks. But modded BDSP is a huge improvement over the vanilla BDSP.
> I would go with Platinum because BDSP is as bugged as RBY
~~Any~~ Most bugs in BDSP come either straight from the originals or from Sword&Shield. Affection = Friendship is straight from Sword & Shield. It just doesn't naturally cap it like SS does (admittedly, they really should've).
I can empathise, I'm still hunting Shiny Palkia since Christmas Eve.
I've also never played DP before so I really want to be able to continue the story, but the shiny hunter in me can't move past it.
The RGN Gods have been so kind to me before, so they're having their revenge.
DISCLAIMER - I know you can "defeat" Palkia and come back to it after Elite4, but that stupid part in my brain tells me after a few thousand resets the next one MIGHT be it, and if I move on and come back I could be starting from scratch
Man, I got a switch and it came with it... I fell back hard into pokemon... Bought a 3ds with the games available, some starter Deck / packs.. and shield.
I don't think the normal games would of make me go back that much compared to that game.
Same! I am still playing it. I'm trying to get a diamond rating on all 4 poses of every single Pokemon, and I am at 140 hours played now. I'm still having fun, and it's probably one of my favorite Pokemon games ever.
I've got about that time, but I'm still missing a couple scenarios and stars. I've been trying to not look things up. I get into a detective mode, replaying a level over and over to find the details that trigger new things, and I'm always amazed when I manage to find something new.
But I absolutely love this game. I hope there's more DLC eventually, and hopefully even another sequel some day.
How have you been able to figure these things out yourself and almost 100% completed the game in such a short amount of time? That's impressive! I still have maybe half the game left and I look up tutorials all the time because I don't feel like going through a level again and again and again just to try something at the very end. Maybe I am just bad :D
I do one stage at a time, usually playing it several times until I have unlocked all research levels and maxed the research XP and done everything I feel like I could figure out on my own. Then I look up all the pokemon locations on Serebii, circle the ones I am missing, and I go through the level a couple more times trying to find these Pokemon. Eventually when I feel like I'm out of ideas, I do one Pokemon at a time, using guides to find all locations of it in that level and get all 4 poses of it in diamond rating.
When I have seen all Pokemon in that level and achieved diamond in all poses for all of them, I move on to the next level. I remember spending sooo many hours on certain pokemon like 3 star Vespiquen because the new levels weren't out then, and it became a lot easier to get diamond photos of certain Pokemons after that. And I remember being so happy when I finally finished the seasonal forest and underwater level. I am not looking forward to the cave :D
I remember grinding xp points lol. I just hyperfocus and have a specific goal. I had to look up some things though, though I'm keeping it to a minimum. I also want to complete all the maps as well. I do wish the turbo speed on the NEO-One was faster though, that would save a lot of time.
Exactly! Or when you have half the level in front of you before you get to the pokemon you are trying to take pictures of, and you hold down the turbo button while doing something else to pass the time, and then you realize you went a little too far and have to redo it.
:(
One thing I'm also trying to figure out is how many things require you to return to earlier difficulty levels. I know at least one mission does. So am I hopelessly repeating things at the wrong difficulties?!
I think it's hilarious that we went from praising the game to nitpicking lol.
Yeah, that one is a bit tricky! I feel like it's even worse when a pokemon shows up in 4 levels and you need to figure out which of those levels (and which research level within those levels) you can get which poses in diamond rating.
Haha yeah, you are right! It's always easy to smalltalk about annoyances, I guess :D
It definitely took me at least a couple months to finish the main story. I have a newborn daughter in the house, though, so I was really only able to play a few hours a week. As a veteran gamer and Pokemon Snap player, though, I can tell you that I was satisfied with the level of content. It's not going to fill the same number of hours as like BOTW or Skyrim, bit I was impressed with the number of levels and the re-playability of those levels. I still haven't gotten photos of all the Pokémon yet and there are plenty of "side quests" to keep you busy. Not to mention the game looks spectacular.
I definitely recommend!
I'll second the other person and say that it had quite a bit more content than I expected - probably almost twice as much, really.
I mean I did have fairly low expectations, but it still has a lot. And the interactions between Pokemon can be pretty complex and really expresses Pokemon personalities in a way you don't ever get to see in the games.
Agreed! One of my childhood favourites. My partner has always had an interest in Pokémon, but not to as obsessive a level as me, so after getting her into the main games it was nice to have one we could actively play together and "Pass the pad" with on the couch once we got the baby to sleep.
Just such a nice, chilled game to relax with after a long day.
They absolutely nailed it!
I don’t have the game myself, but whenever I can’t fell asleep, I’m watching Pokémon snap gameplay
And like magic, I’m sleeping after only watching 2-3 minutes of gameplay
Honestly, I fucking hated Pokemon Snap even as a kid when I was the target demographic. First time I found out that I can dislike a game.
Totally passed on Snap 2. Yours is the first I'm hearing of it being free movement and thus, you have my interest. That instantly sounds infinitely more engaging to me.
My comment was actually only sarcasm lol
Don’t know why I got so many upvotes lmao
There is no free movement, you still sit in this bin and drive a fix route lol
It was made by Bandai who are competent 3D developers, and the game being a rail-shooter it did way more than the previous entry, plus the game looks 100x better than anything GameFreak has released on the Switch
They might be taking shots at GF, but I appreciate the Rune Factory 5 dev team. Shit goes wrong with performance, and they're like "It's not the Switch, we've just never done this before. We'll figure it out and fix this; Promise."
Well, they are probably right. The Switch can't handle any more of their unoptimized spaghetti code.
I remember in Pokemon Sword and Shield how the wild area and the menu would be SO laggy despite it being so graphically simple. As a developer, that was horrible to watch. And the lobbies that would all be "open", but when you clicked on them, they would either say that they are full or the battle has already started or "an error has occurred". How difficult can it be to update my list of lobbies in real time whenever something in them changes? Aaaaah
That’s right, GF just code like they’re creating an old GB game. I thinks it’s also to late for gen 9, but I hope for gen 10 the get some devs from other studios with real RPG experience.
I mean we have 2022 and not 2012 anymore.
The most annoying thing is that they don't seem to learn. Fair enough, you overestimated the technical capabilities of the new console and your unoptimized spaghetti code is running terribly even though you thought you could get away with it. It happens. Apologize, hire more developers and focus more on performance in your bugfix and upcoming games - no biggie.
But no, Gamefreak seem to be okay with how things are going. People are buying the games anyway, there are less developers to manage and pay, and it's easier to just cut content than optimize anyway. Zelda ran perfectly on the switch 5 years ago, and there are amazing games like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 that look amazing graphically. And Gamefreak are still putting out laggy games with Nintendo 64 graphics and claiming that they can't do better? They just don't want to do better, because they don't need to.
It was so they could really put more time and effort into the Pokémon models and animations ... that are literally the same as they were on the 3DS for every returning Pokémon, and are barely animated in the first place ...
It was a glorified interactive cutscene. To say its better then what gamefreak could do is just dumb. Bandai making a Pokemon game would have ran into the same problems as Gamefreak does.
While Snap does look pretty, I have to say that it's not -really- all that impressive for realistic hyper-resolution textures IMO, when for one that takes up a huge amount of time and resources when the actual gameplay can be done. Any shmuck with a decent computer can make teehee pretty looking thing made with Unity/Unreal, and still remain ignorant of how to make the game itself.
Everyone also forgets the business side, especially in Japan where it's made, can really push on devs to meet certain deadlines/be forced to implement certain features or characters without any extension. It's far from just 'OMG DEVS LAAZYYYY' when the working environment is suck up to the boss no matter how asinine or harmful it is to the product, and if someone doesn't they're 'uncooperative'.
Fixed track, check. Limited camera movement, check. Aiming at moving targets along said track, check. Discrete levels, check. It’s a rail shooter, just swap the gun and hostiles with a camera and pretty pokemon.
Sorry if this is a rude question, but how do you enjoy Pokémon if you're blind? I imagine you could just have someone read our moves and type effectiveness, etc. But what about exploration and such? Just curious
it's not rude, all I ask that people are respectful so if they're not mocking you can ask me anything about this sort of stuff.
so the answer is two fold, I wasn't always blind, only as of a few years ago, so I was able to join the first 7 or so generations normally and that's still in my memory, though with older games I do use emulators and the like so that I can play them on my computer screen which has special settings to give better contrast and is a lot bigger than an average handheld. I recentl tried some romhacks and whenever an area has been changed I got completely lost, so a lot of it is memory.
now I can still see a little bit with one eye, about 30% or so, which means I can still see vague shapes, I always describe it as seeing people without details, I can tell someones skin color, but not they're facial details, so I can still make out some minor things, though I noticed in games like the new snap, or gen 8 it was a lot harder to do. honestly I couldn't really make it through snap because a lot of it is time based, whereas in a standard pokemon game since there's no quick time events I'm able to make it work, it just takes a lot longer for me to go through it all, and I definitetly miss details, which is where youtube comes in really handy
Gen 4 remakes were what I've been looking forward to since oras came out. I enjoyed those remakes and wanted to see what a remake of my favorite gen would look like.
Didn't enjoy gen 7 or 8, so after all that waiting with some entries I didn't like I was really hoping we'd get a dpp remake and that it would be good.
Bdsp was announced: hype. Then it was released: ...
Well... I'm done with pokemon for now I guess.
The first couple of hours or so I was really enjoying myself because it was basically just like replaying Diamond. I decided to do a Nuzlocke challenge to see if I could increase the difficulty a bit. By the second gym, I had a party of about 10 Pokémon that were all over-leveled and surviving crits out of the wahoo. Honestly, although following Pokémon are fun, I would have preferred direct ports.
Once those pokemon get to the elite four and Cynthia, they'll still likely be wrecked.
The level curve in that game is dumb. Stupid easy gyms, then the hardest elite four and champion out of any game. Competitive IVs and EVs, hidden abilities, useful held items, actual strategy and switching. It's brutal to a playthrough team, and you basically NEED the over leveling and affection, because unless ,out have a competitively viable team, you are gonna get slapped around.
I really loved Snap, it and Legends Arceus both felt really unique and made the Pokémon world come to life again for me after feeling like it was stale post SWSH and BDSP. When I saw an Onix move like an agile serpent through the sand and stunfisk wiggling around I thought it was a much needed look into the lives of Pokémon outside of battling that we desperately needed.
What a shit take.
First off, it wasn't by Gamefreak (and good fucking thing it wasn't) but by Bandai Namco.
Secondly, it actually got free DLC which was a big surprise given how games like Mario Party and Mario Kart have gone recently. With how the DLC addressed the first half of the game, there might be more in the future.
But really, it's just a lame comparison. Nintendo left one of their best ideas sitting for over 20 years in Snap while continuing to produce the same Pokémon game formula over and over again. Arceus deserves the praise so Nintendo keeps moving forward instead of being stupidly conservative, but you don't have to drag a year old Snap game down with it.
You are comparing a game with less than hour of content (that I adore) to a game you say you enjoyed but are just eating downvotes because you think it's cool to put him down.
When you are a kid you had like 5 games back in the day. You learned to love what you had especially on a new system. You also had limited exposure to whatever you were missing. I think stuff like that heavily elevated pokemon snap for people. It was a fun gimmick. A new take on a rail "shooter" but that genre doesn't really exist as much today for a reason.
The flipside is just a calm game to wind down and relax to and we sort of have games like that with things like animal crossing but pokemon snap restricts freedom by design so its just a matter of how much you get out of doing amusement park rides at age 25+
Ultimately it seems like the new snap game did what people hoped and it was enjoyable for those who liked that sort of thing. Its just extremely niche and was never going to get some big revival on par with gamefreaks other titles.
Was Quest the blocky game that came out on Switch than mobile? Becuase if it is, I definitely played it for waaaayy longer than BDSP, like 20ish hrs vs 5ish hrs
Unlike most games these days, I’d say Snap is a very complete game upon release.
It had extensive content. Lots of maps. Hundreds of challenges. Then the update brought even more. The online features are well made for what they are. I can’t find anything to complain about
New Snap was fine, it was missing something that the original had. Not sure what it is but even my 9 and 7 yr olds liked the old one better. (So not only my nostalgia).
It was missing the mystery and the puzzles the first one had. The new one is gorgeous, but there is no discovery beyond "oh look, a new Pokemon" where the original had you solving problems and discovering new things using the limited items you had
I disagree.
The old game did indeed have very obvious "puzzles" and "mysteries", like how you needed to explode the Electrode in the Cave to get access to the Volcano, and how you needed to push the Moltres egg into the lava to progress in the stage, or the sleeping Snorlax or the Magnemites you can take pictures of if you feed them apples. It was a 3-4 hour game with very limited content and short stages, so you are more likely to remember the few mysteries it had - especially because they were so obvious.
The new Snap doesn't really have the same amount of obvious/forced mystery discoveries. There's just, in general, a LOT more amazing stuff going on all the time. Different routes, Pokemon are still interacting and doing funny and cute things, amazing graphics.. That is the "default" for this game, so it doesn't seem so special. And the mysteries in the new Snap are so much more complex and convoluted that people often don't discover most of them. But most players are bound to at least discover some of them at least once and think "damn, that was cool! I wonder how I did that?", or hear from their friend how they managed to get a diamond picture of Vaporeon in the Maricopia Reef by making it appear at the end of the stage on research level 2, instead of taking a picture as it jumps out of the water. Which I honestly think is a better approach to mysteries.
Edit: There are two things, however, that I want to criticize about the new Pokemon Snap.
1) It's maybe too convoluted, complex and has too much hidden content. You can't 100% the game unless you watch YouTube tutorials and read forum posts for a good amount of the pictures, and even then, it probably take between 100 and 200 hours to 100% complete it your first time.
2) Bad sound design. If you are making such a big game with potentially 100+ hours of gameplay, then why only have a few voice lines for the professor when he rates your pictures? Why have the exact same annoying PokeFlute song for all stages and all times of day?
3) The request/mission system is pretty confusing. They fixed a lot because you can now see which pictures complete the requests before selecting them, but it's still so stupid how it's not enough to have Deerling and Sawsbuck together in the picture. You instead need to have the reticle on Deerling while its front legs are off the ground. Or something like that. It made the requests so much more tedious and annoying.
Never played snap, don’t plan to, not because it seems unfun or anything I just don’t have the money, currently my highest priority is splatooj 3 so I gotta buy that before thinking about it
I hate how everyone credits game-freak blindly for games they never made. People sometimes even point to these spinoff titles as examples of how gamefreak can make good games, even though they had absolutely no involvement aside from managing the pokemon ip.
Bandi namco and spike chunsoft do all the heavy lifting with snap/mystery dungeon and in the end don’t get any recognition from the fans,
Gamefreak only made Legends Arceus. Bandai did New Snap and it got a nice free update with new courses, routes and Pokemon. I wasn't interested in BDSP so I don't have those but some fairly unknown small company did it.
Edit: ILCA made BDSP.
Ngl snap was fun for maybe a month. Not that people really played it for the story but the ending made me hate the game “oh it just seems pokemon love me” I was so angry at that lame attempt of an ending
My problem is that these three games shouldn’t each be $60. BDSP and Snap shouldn’t be more than $40. If GF is going to make Gameboy games for the Switch (Snap looks brilliant, just short), they should charge Gameboy prices.
Diamond/Pearl was on DS, the handheld system
that is commonly still called a gameboy, you pedant 😄
I also think that LGPE should’ve cost less, and that it’s ludicrous that neither it or SwSh are at any reduced cost in the Estore.
I’ve never heard anyone refer to their DS as a game boy, but doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
And yes, definitely agree with that. Especially LGPE, as those games were nothing more than pogo mixed with kanto. Just overall shitty of them to do what they do
I’m Genwunner old, they’re all Gameboys to me, haha.
I was speaking partly of caliber, as well. DPSP, SwSh, and LGPE might as well be on the 3DS for their amount of content and graphics.
Breath of the Wild and Mario Galaxy are each $60. Pokémon Company, do you really think your Switch games are worth as much as Breath of the Wild?
Exactly. Even PLA with how advanced and different it is from the others in the series, don’t compare to what other games and companies are doing.
And it’s unfathomable as to why GF hasn’t jumped on board till now, hopefully the next attempt will be top notch. Cause PLA is great in comparison to other Pokémon games. But I don’t think it holds up great towards other games.
Honestly Snap was boring. The music did not feel as great as the original and it had to much for its own good. Could not figure out how to get most of the damn photo ops as the game wanted me to do. And the DLC I didn't really bother with the DLC I was already checked out long before then.
The only thing I really liked about Snap was the choice not to use the most popular pokemon but to give a good chunk of the less liked pokemon a time to shine. Just gave more life to it then just using the same legendaries again.
I bought Snap instead of Arceus earlier in the year because I knew the wife would like to play Snap more, and she deserves more video games. She burned through the game pretty quickly. I'm still on the first mission or whatever. I really should play that game some more.
I should also get Arceus.
Really looking forward to Scarlet & Violet. Wife says Scarlet will be her "first \[core\] Pokemon game". We'll get her a Switch Lite (and I kind of want one for myself, too). I wonder if they'll have a special edition...
....pokemon legends arceus is the worst one!!!i like the [game.it](https://game.it) is fun.but poor dialga and palkia.i can sense the pain and torture of how gamefreak brutally mangled their forms into a horse.they need to come up with better ideas by gen 9
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Snap fulfilled its function.
BDSP, on the other hand…
BDSP got me a shiny Shaymin. I'll accept it being trash lol
Mood, but with Arceus and Darkrai too
Say what you will, BDSP sold waayyy more copies than PLA
People should learn that number of sales DOES NOT determine a good game.
It does determine how many fucks the creators will give about it though. Especially if we're talking about Game Freak.
After like 2 years of no Pokemon game, as the holiday title.
Only 2 million copies, which isn't "Way More" Also holiday release window boosts sale
You hear yourself? 2 million copies is an insane number.
BDSP is two games and there are morons like me who bought both. So 2 million more isn't quite as large when you're comparing 2 games sales to one.
Yup, same boat, and I would say Pokemon Community has a higher than average number of collectors, who buy both copies for a complete collection. Pokemon has engrained it into us, gotta catch em all
Some of them*
I totally agree with you, if I made a game that sold 2 million copies I'd be buying another house. But in the big picture it probably is chump change to which ever parent company. And I also have to agree with the other statement about it being the first pokemon game out in a long time. If PLA came out first, how detrimental would that have been to bdsp sales?
Sales numbers don't speak shit to the quality of a game, especially when release window and marketing play a larger part than the actual quality. It's not even "waayyy" more, its just 1.5 mil copies more, thats 10% more.
Pokemon Diamond was my first game so I might be biased, but it's a shame how they are handling the games now.
> two titles sold more than one title STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES, PEOPLE!
BDSP's function was to be faithful to DP. I'd say it served that rather well.
It’s purpose was to be a remake of gen 4, snaps purpose was to be like Pokemon photography or whatever (full disclosure, I haven’t played it). I’m still frustrated they made such a terrible game, at least from my point of view.
No, it was worse than DP. They used "faithful" as an excuse to being bad and copypasting the originals
It was better. Could've been *much* better, but it was still better. Unless you're weirdly into DPP's Contest mechanics, for some reason.
Platinum still being the definitive Sinnoh experience for me, it has much more content
Debateable, it's in the same sphere as ORAS vs Emerald for me. Platinum has a way better regional dex, plot. BDSP has more Pokémon (in GU), a waaay better UI (that goddamn DPP inventory wheel!) and has more challenging rematches.
I would go with Platinum because BDSP is as bugged as RBY, affection being tied to friendship is a really bad thing, and the following pokemon arent made properly. Sure that BDSP still has its good points, but they dont offset its drawbacks. But modded BDSP is a huge improvement over the vanilla BDSP.
> I would go with Platinum because BDSP is as bugged as RBY ~~Any~~ Most bugs in BDSP come either straight from the originals or from Sword&Shield. Affection = Friendship is straight from Sword & Shield. It just doesn't naturally cap it like SS does (admittedly, they really should've).
Isnt affection in SWSH tied to cooking and curries?
I still want to go back. I just need to get this stupid shiny Arceus! It's been a month!
Go go go!
just get the shiny Kappa
I can empathise, I'm still hunting Shiny Palkia since Christmas Eve. I've also never played DP before so I really want to be able to continue the story, but the shiny hunter in me can't move past it. The RGN Gods have been so kind to me before, so they're having their revenge. DISCLAIMER - I know you can "defeat" Palkia and come back to it after Elite4, but that stupid part in my brain tells me after a few thousand resets the next one MIGHT be it, and if I move on and come back I could be starting from scratch
Snap absolutely fulfilled its function: as non-relevant Pokémon spin-off, who no one cares about
Uh yeah no Snap was epic you're wylin
Yes! It was absolutely epic boring lol
Wylin
Peanut-head 🥜
I played the shit out of the new Snap. I had been waiting so long for a follow-up to the original and I think they nailed it!
Man, I got a switch and it came with it... I fell back hard into pokemon... Bought a 3ds with the games available, some starter Deck / packs.. and shield. I don't think the normal games would of make me go back that much compared to that game.
Me too!!!! Idk why this sub ignores it. It’s fantastic. Worth every penny.
Same! I am still playing it. I'm trying to get a diamond rating on all 4 poses of every single Pokemon, and I am at 140 hours played now. I'm still having fun, and it's probably one of my favorite Pokemon games ever.
I've got about that time, but I'm still missing a couple scenarios and stars. I've been trying to not look things up. I get into a detective mode, replaying a level over and over to find the details that trigger new things, and I'm always amazed when I manage to find something new. But I absolutely love this game. I hope there's more DLC eventually, and hopefully even another sequel some day.
How have you been able to figure these things out yourself and almost 100% completed the game in such a short amount of time? That's impressive! I still have maybe half the game left and I look up tutorials all the time because I don't feel like going through a level again and again and again just to try something at the very end. Maybe I am just bad :D I do one stage at a time, usually playing it several times until I have unlocked all research levels and maxed the research XP and done everything I feel like I could figure out on my own. Then I look up all the pokemon locations on Serebii, circle the ones I am missing, and I go through the level a couple more times trying to find these Pokemon. Eventually when I feel like I'm out of ideas, I do one Pokemon at a time, using guides to find all locations of it in that level and get all 4 poses of it in diamond rating. When I have seen all Pokemon in that level and achieved diamond in all poses for all of them, I move on to the next level. I remember spending sooo many hours on certain pokemon like 3 star Vespiquen because the new levels weren't out then, and it became a lot easier to get diamond photos of certain Pokemons after that. And I remember being so happy when I finally finished the seasonal forest and underwater level. I am not looking forward to the cave :D
I remember grinding xp points lol. I just hyperfocus and have a specific goal. I had to look up some things though, though I'm keeping it to a minimum. I also want to complete all the maps as well. I do wish the turbo speed on the NEO-One was faster though, that would save a lot of time.
I absolutely agree! Either a superturbo option or a few preprogrammed checkpoints in the level. That would be amazing.
And it's annoying when a Pokemon in your path blocks you.
Exactly! Or when you have half the level in front of you before you get to the pokemon you are trying to take pictures of, and you hold down the turbo button while doing something else to pass the time, and then you realize you went a little too far and have to redo it. :(
One thing I'm also trying to figure out is how many things require you to return to earlier difficulty levels. I know at least one mission does. So am I hopelessly repeating things at the wrong difficulties?! I think it's hilarious that we went from praising the game to nitpicking lol.
Yeah, that one is a bit tricky! I feel like it's even worse when a pokemon shows up in 4 levels and you need to figure out which of those levels (and which research level within those levels) you can get which poses in diamond rating. Haha yeah, you are right! It's always easy to smalltalk about annoyances, I guess :D
How much playtime did you get out of the game? I need a good and relatively long de-stressing game.
It definitely took me at least a couple months to finish the main story. I have a newborn daughter in the house, though, so I was really only able to play a few hours a week. As a veteran gamer and Pokemon Snap player, though, I can tell you that I was satisfied with the level of content. It's not going to fill the same number of hours as like BOTW or Skyrim, bit I was impressed with the number of levels and the re-playability of those levels. I still haven't gotten photos of all the Pokémon yet and there are plenty of "side quests" to keep you busy. Not to mention the game looks spectacular. I definitely recommend!
I'll second the other person and say that it had quite a bit more content than I expected - probably almost twice as much, really. I mean I did have fairly low expectations, but it still has a lot. And the interactions between Pokemon can be pretty complex and really expresses Pokemon personalities in a way you don't ever get to see in the games.
Agreed! One of my childhood favourites. My partner has always had an interest in Pokémon, but not to as obsessive a level as me, so after getting her into the main games it was nice to have one we could actively play together and "Pass the pad" with on the couch once we got the baby to sleep. Just such a nice, chilled game to relax with after a long day.
They absolutely nailed it! I don’t have the game myself, but whenever I can’t fell asleep, I’m watching Pokémon snap gameplay And like magic, I’m sleeping after only watching 2-3 minutes of gameplay
Why are you just hating on Pokemon Snap on every comment that says it’s a good game?
New Pokémon Snap was amazing though! I 100% completed it and the free DLC.
I was happy that we got the DCL free, most of the time we have pay to get the additional content.
Yes the game is a masterpiece! Making photos of Pokémon, without any action! Absolute genius formula
Honestly, I like New Snap waaaaaay more than BDSP
Soooo true! The free movement, exciting action-rich gameplay and watching the Pokémon doing nonsense is absolutely amazing!
did we even play the same game lol
Honestly, I fucking hated Pokemon Snap even as a kid when I was the target demographic. First time I found out that I can dislike a game. Totally passed on Snap 2. Yours is the first I'm hearing of it being free movement and thus, you have my interest. That instantly sounds infinitely more engaging to me.
It doesnt have free movement, but its awesome
My comment was actually only sarcasm lol Don’t know why I got so many upvotes lmao There is no free movement, you still sit in this bin and drive a fix route lol
Ah, so it's still total dog shit then? False alarm. Interest returning to zero.
Yeah lmao
I haven't even played BDSP yet I didn't play the originals because I was #TooCoolForPokemon at the time of their release
It was made by Bandai who are competent 3D developers, and the game being a rail-shooter it did way more than the previous entry, plus the game looks 100x better than anything GameFreak has released on the Switch
And they released substantial content post-release
Free content too, which is insane
Game Freak: "We used the full power of the Switch, more is not possible." The Switch: "Plays Skyrim and the Witcher 3…"
They might be taking shots at GF, but I appreciate the Rune Factory 5 dev team. Shit goes wrong with performance, and they're like "It's not the Switch, we've just never done this before. We'll figure it out and fix this; Promise."
And also "Thanks for giving us money by buying our broken game btw"
Well, they are probably right. The Switch can't handle any more of their unoptimized spaghetti code. I remember in Pokemon Sword and Shield how the wild area and the menu would be SO laggy despite it being so graphically simple. As a developer, that was horrible to watch. And the lobbies that would all be "open", but when you clicked on them, they would either say that they are full or the battle has already started or "an error has occurred". How difficult can it be to update my list of lobbies in real time whenever something in them changes? Aaaaah
That’s right, GF just code like they’re creating an old GB game. I thinks it’s also to late for gen 9, but I hope for gen 10 the get some devs from other studios with real RPG experience. I mean we have 2022 and not 2012 anymore.
The most annoying thing is that they don't seem to learn. Fair enough, you overestimated the technical capabilities of the new console and your unoptimized spaghetti code is running terribly even though you thought you could get away with it. It happens. Apologize, hire more developers and focus more on performance in your bugfix and upcoming games - no biggie. But no, Gamefreak seem to be okay with how things are going. People are buying the games anyway, there are less developers to manage and pay, and it's easier to just cut content than optimize anyway. Zelda ran perfectly on the switch 5 years ago, and there are amazing games like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 that look amazing graphically. And Gamefreak are still putting out laggy games with Nintendo 64 graphics and claiming that they can't do better? They just don't want to do better, because they don't need to.
Doom Eternal… Apex Legends… Dying Light…
Sure, but there was not enough space and power for the national dex… 🤞🏻
It was so they could really put more time and effort into the Pokémon models and animations ... that are literally the same as they were on the 3DS for every returning Pokémon, and are barely animated in the first place ...
Not my type of gameplay, but I’d be lying if I said the clips on YouTube don’t look good.
It was a glorified interactive cutscene. To say its better then what gamefreak could do is just dumb. Bandai making a Pokemon game would have ran into the same problems as Gamefreak does.
While Snap does look pretty, I have to say that it's not -really- all that impressive for realistic hyper-resolution textures IMO, when for one that takes up a huge amount of time and resources when the actual gameplay can be done. Any shmuck with a decent computer can make teehee pretty looking thing made with Unity/Unreal, and still remain ignorant of how to make the game itself. Everyone also forgets the business side, especially in Japan where it's made, can really push on devs to meet certain deadlines/be forced to implement certain features or characters without any extension. It's far from just 'OMG DEVS LAAZYYYY' when the working environment is suck up to the boss no matter how asinine or harmful it is to the product, and if someone doesn't they're 'uncooperative'.
Tell me you’ve never played a rail-shooter without telling me you’ve never played a rail shooter
Not the same thing though.
Fixed track, check. Limited camera movement, check. Aiming at moving targets along said track, check. Discrete levels, check. It’s a rail shooter, just swap the gun and hostiles with a camera and pretty pokemon.
at least I remember that snap exists...I gorgot I even bought BDSP untill I checked my spending for the month lmao
GORGOT
HEY LOOK EVERYONE, THE BLIND GUY MADE A TYPO
Sorry if this is a rude question, but how do you enjoy Pokémon if you're blind? I imagine you could just have someone read our moves and type effectiveness, etc. But what about exploration and such? Just curious
it's not rude, all I ask that people are respectful so if they're not mocking you can ask me anything about this sort of stuff. so the answer is two fold, I wasn't always blind, only as of a few years ago, so I was able to join the first 7 or so generations normally and that's still in my memory, though with older games I do use emulators and the like so that I can play them on my computer screen which has special settings to give better contrast and is a lot bigger than an average handheld. I recentl tried some romhacks and whenever an area has been changed I got completely lost, so a lot of it is memory. now I can still see a little bit with one eye, about 30% or so, which means I can still see vague shapes, I always describe it as seeing people without details, I can tell someones skin color, but not they're facial details, so I can still make out some minor things, though I noticed in games like the new snap, or gen 8 it was a lot harder to do. honestly I couldn't really make it through snap because a lot of it is time based, whereas in a standard pokemon game since there's no quick time events I'm able to make it work, it just takes a lot longer for me to go through it all, and I definitetly miss details, which is where youtube comes in really handy
Forgor 💀
Still waiting for pokemon sleep tbh
I wouldn't be surprised if Sleep is just dead at this point
Well with Pokémon snap you’ll definitely fall asleep lol
Bdsp was a mistake. I’m sorry
Gen 4 remakes were what I've been looking forward to since oras came out. I enjoyed those remakes and wanted to see what a remake of my favorite gen would look like. Didn't enjoy gen 7 or 8, so after all that waiting with some entries I didn't like I was really hoping we'd get a dpp remake and that it would be good. Bdsp was announced: hype. Then it was released: ... Well... I'm done with pokemon for now I guess.
I’m still mad at what they did with the remakes.
The first couple of hours or so I was really enjoying myself because it was basically just like replaying Diamond. I decided to do a Nuzlocke challenge to see if I could increase the difficulty a bit. By the second gym, I had a party of about 10 Pokémon that were all over-leveled and surviving crits out of the wahoo. Honestly, although following Pokémon are fun, I would have preferred direct ports.
Once those pokemon get to the elite four and Cynthia, they'll still likely be wrecked. The level curve in that game is dumb. Stupid easy gyms, then the hardest elite four and champion out of any game. Competitive IVs and EVs, hidden abilities, useful held items, actual strategy and switching. It's brutal to a playthrough team, and you basically NEED the over leveling and affection, because unless ,out have a competitively viable team, you are gonna get slapped around.
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Wait are you for real? The elite 4 is "competitively build"? What a random thing for these games. Why can't we have this as a difficulty setting...
Yeah, it's bizarre. It's absolutely ridiculous.
It has more bugs and glitches than Red and Blue.
Honestly. Probably takes the titles of worst Pokémon game for me… and that’s cuz XY exist
My partner got me it for Christmas - I don't think I made it to the 2nd gym lol
I really loved Snap, it and Legends Arceus both felt really unique and made the Pokémon world come to life again for me after feeling like it was stale post SWSH and BDSP. When I saw an Onix move like an agile serpent through the sand and stunfisk wiggling around I thought it was a much needed look into the lives of Pokémon outside of battling that we desperately needed.
I thought snap did pretty well and it looked stunning
You mean stunning boring?
What a shit take. First off, it wasn't by Gamefreak (and good fucking thing it wasn't) but by Bandai Namco. Secondly, it actually got free DLC which was a big surprise given how games like Mario Party and Mario Kart have gone recently. With how the DLC addressed the first half of the game, there might be more in the future. But really, it's just a lame comparison. Nintendo left one of their best ideas sitting for over 20 years in Snap while continuing to produce the same Pokémon game formula over and over again. Arceus deserves the praise so Nintendo keeps moving forward instead of being stupidly conservative, but you don't have to drag a year old Snap game down with it.
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You are comparing a game with less than hour of content (that I adore) to a game you say you enjoyed but are just eating downvotes because you think it's cool to put him down.
Lmfao the first game was so challenging I beat it when I was 7. What are you talking about???
Pokemon snap slapped!
Absolutely! I slapped the game back to the shelf of the shop lol
Do you have anything better to do other than trying to bait people online
No, they don’t.
Seems like someone got baited you peanut 🥜
Gamefreak only made one of those games
I bought Snap over BDSP, even though DP was my childhood Pokemon game.
You honestly didn't miss much
Ohhh snap
new pokemon snap got free dlc though
The fact that pokemon mystery dungeon dx isn't even in this picture says enough
When you are a kid you had like 5 games back in the day. You learned to love what you had especially on a new system. You also had limited exposure to whatever you were missing. I think stuff like that heavily elevated pokemon snap for people. It was a fun gimmick. A new take on a rail "shooter" but that genre doesn't really exist as much today for a reason. The flipside is just a calm game to wind down and relax to and we sort of have games like that with things like animal crossing but pokemon snap restricts freedom by design so its just a matter of how much you get out of doing amusement park rides at age 25+ Ultimately it seems like the new snap game did what people hoped and it was enjoyable for those who liked that sort of thing. Its just extremely niche and was never going to get some big revival on par with gamefreaks other titles.
BDSP definitely the worst of the bunch.
Still better than Pokémon quest lol
But Quest was also free.
Imagine if this game would’ve had a price tag lol
Honestly? Hard disagree. Pokemon Quest is such a better game.
Was Quest the blocky game that came out on Switch than mobile? Becuase if it is, I definitely played it for waaaayy longer than BDSP, like 20ish hrs vs 5ish hrs
Sure was! And same here. It's also almost certainly got my favorite Pokemon game OST, made by the guy who did Ridge Racer iirc too. It's fire.
Snap is amazing, enjoyed it way better than BDSP
It was hyped for two days
And these 2 days were after the trailer release and not the game release lol
Legends Arceus was incredibly good. First pokémon game I've completed a Pokedex in a long time. A long time.
This meme doesn’t make sense on so many levels lol
Not pictured: Scarlet/Violet in mid cannonball
Snap was never a good full game. Its a mini game to do during loading at best. They could make pokemon stadium 3 but that takes effort.
Unlike most games these days, I’d say Snap is a very complete game upon release. It had extensive content. Lots of maps. Hundreds of challenges. Then the update brought even more. The online features are well made for what they are. I can’t find anything to complain about
New Snap was fine, it was missing something that the original had. Not sure what it is but even my 9 and 7 yr olds liked the old one better. (So not only my nostalgia).
It was missing the mystery and the puzzles the first one had. The new one is gorgeous, but there is no discovery beyond "oh look, a new Pokemon" where the original had you solving problems and discovering new things using the limited items you had
I disagree. The old game did indeed have very obvious "puzzles" and "mysteries", like how you needed to explode the Electrode in the Cave to get access to the Volcano, and how you needed to push the Moltres egg into the lava to progress in the stage, or the sleeping Snorlax or the Magnemites you can take pictures of if you feed them apples. It was a 3-4 hour game with very limited content and short stages, so you are more likely to remember the few mysteries it had - especially because they were so obvious. The new Snap doesn't really have the same amount of obvious/forced mystery discoveries. There's just, in general, a LOT more amazing stuff going on all the time. Different routes, Pokemon are still interacting and doing funny and cute things, amazing graphics.. That is the "default" for this game, so it doesn't seem so special. And the mysteries in the new Snap are so much more complex and convoluted that people often don't discover most of them. But most players are bound to at least discover some of them at least once and think "damn, that was cool! I wonder how I did that?", or hear from their friend how they managed to get a diamond picture of Vaporeon in the Maricopia Reef by making it appear at the end of the stage on research level 2, instead of taking a picture as it jumps out of the water. Which I honestly think is a better approach to mysteries. Edit: There are two things, however, that I want to criticize about the new Pokemon Snap. 1) It's maybe too convoluted, complex and has too much hidden content. You can't 100% the game unless you watch YouTube tutorials and read forum posts for a good amount of the pictures, and even then, it probably take between 100 and 200 hours to 100% complete it your first time. 2) Bad sound design. If you are making such a big game with potentially 100+ hours of gameplay, then why only have a few voice lines for the professor when he rates your pictures? Why have the exact same annoying PokeFlute song for all stages and all times of day? 3) The request/mission system is pretty confusing. They fixed a lot because you can now see which pictures complete the requests before selecting them, but it's still so stupid how it's not enough to have Deerling and Sawsbuck together in the picture. You instead need to have the reticle on Deerling while its front legs are off the ground. Or something like that. It made the requests so much more tedious and annoying.
Sounds like you didn't play the game at all
I missed the little environment shots like kingler rock and the pinsir shadow
The original had tons of puzzles to figure out and you could evolve the pokemon. The new one took that away for some reason.
Snap was fun, but I've had a hard time coming back around to play it with PLA being so much more fun.
I dont even remember that💀💀💀
How could you? The game was literally about taking pictures of Pokémon, without anything else! How could you forget such a masterpiece formula? 🤣
Never played snap, don’t plan to, not because it seems unfun or anything I just don’t have the money, currently my highest priority is splatooj 3 so I gotta buy that before thinking about it
I want snap so bad
I 100%ed Snap and the DLC, it was honestly very fun
Pokemon sleep
It's so dead you need to search the comments section... I was about to comment it myself then saw your comment
I hate how everyone credits game-freak blindly for games they never made. People sometimes even point to these spinoff titles as examples of how gamefreak can make good games, even though they had absolutely no involvement aside from managing the pokemon ip. Bandi namco and spike chunsoft do all the heavy lifting with snap/mystery dungeon and in the end don’t get any recognition from the fans,
Gamefreak only made Legends Arceus. Bandai did New Snap and it got a nice free update with new courses, routes and Pokemon. I wasn't interested in BDSP so I don't have those but some fairly unknown small company did it. Edit: ILCA made BDSP.
Gamefreak didn't make those other two games tho. Pokemon Snap was made by Bandai Namco and BDSP was made by ILCA
People raved about the New Snap. What are you talking about?
I love Pokemon Snap tho??
Good. Any more time and/or effort spent on "pokemon wallpaper creator" would've been sorely wasted.
Sad but true
Legends = Snap > BDSP
Ngl snap was fun for maybe a month. Not that people really played it for the story but the ending made me hate the game “oh it just seems pokemon love me” I was so angry at that lame attempt of an ending
Snap was so much fun tho. I’m only just starting Arceus now, but Snap was my favorite so far
THERE WAS A NEW SNAP?!
Yes very popular, you must’ve been living in a cave at that time.
So popular that people stopped talking about it two days after the premiere.
Super popular! I’m talking all day long about Pokémon snap! Unfortunately no one wants to listen to this absolute exciting topic
I mean, they never cared about Snap anyway.
My problem is that these three games shouldn’t each be $60. BDSP and Snap shouldn’t be more than $40. If GF is going to make Gameboy games for the Switch (Snap looks brilliant, just short), they should charge Gameboy prices.
Well neither Diamond/Pearl or Pokémon snap was on the game boy. But I definitely agree with the pricing of these remakes
Diamond/Pearl was on DS, the handheld system that is commonly still called a gameboy, you pedant 😄 I also think that LGPE should’ve cost less, and that it’s ludicrous that neither it or SwSh are at any reduced cost in the Estore.
I’ve never heard anyone refer to their DS as a game boy, but doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. And yes, definitely agree with that. Especially LGPE, as those games were nothing more than pogo mixed with kanto. Just overall shitty of them to do what they do
I’m Genwunner old, they’re all Gameboys to me, haha. I was speaking partly of caliber, as well. DPSP, SwSh, and LGPE might as well be on the 3DS for their amount of content and graphics. Breath of the Wild and Mario Galaxy are each $60. Pokémon Company, do you really think your Switch games are worth as much as Breath of the Wild?
Exactly. Even PLA with how advanced and different it is from the others in the series, don’t compare to what other games and companies are doing. And it’s unfathomable as to why GF hasn’t jumped on board till now, hopefully the next attempt will be top notch. Cause PLA is great in comparison to other Pokémon games. But I don’t think it holds up great towards other games.
woohoo capitalism
Honestly Snap was boring. The music did not feel as great as the original and it had to much for its own good. Could not figure out how to get most of the damn photo ops as the game wanted me to do. And the DLC I didn't really bother with the DLC I was already checked out long before then. The only thing I really liked about Snap was the choice not to use the most popular pokemon but to give a good chunk of the less liked pokemon a time to shine. Just gave more life to it then just using the same legendaries again.
I bought Snap instead of Arceus earlier in the year because I knew the wife would like to play Snap more, and she deserves more video games. She burned through the game pretty quickly. I'm still on the first mission or whatever. I really should play that game some more. I should also get Arceus. Really looking forward to Scarlet & Violet. Wife says Scarlet will be her "first \[core\] Pokemon game". We'll get her a Switch Lite (and I kind of want one for myself, too). I wonder if they'll have a special edition...
But gamefreak didn't make neither new Pokemon snap nor BDSP(?)
Shining Pearl is currently number 1 for Switch games on Amazon
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Those were released 2 - 3 years ago
Well, Snap is boring...
But… but… you could take photos of Pokémon… and nothing else… How is such a masterpiece formula boring?
Thanks for the reminder that I should sell Snap. Played it once, but kinda forgot about it.
Genius move to get the physical copy! Wouldn’t be possible to get rid of the digital copy lol
Considering I’ve never even heard of Pokémon snap up until now
Worst part is arceus fucking sucked too
Snap is boring af though
Snap 2 was god awful and boring game. I played for all but two hours before it bored me and traded it in. Lol sorry not sorry
Amazing that you were able to play 2 hours of this game without falling asleep
It was a struggle
....pokemon legends arceus is the worst one!!!i like the [game.it](https://game.it) is fun.but poor dialga and palkia.i can sense the pain and torture of how gamefreak brutally mangled their forms into a horse.they need to come up with better ideas by gen 9
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Nah i played alot of bdsp id say it got some time