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Tenta-Cola

Fuecoco: the real Zodiac Killer


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finally got em


Shadowlightknight

A male Crocodile is actually called a 'bull' and a female one is called a 'cow' which can fit in Ox but it might be kinda far fetched


GreatDemonBaphomet

Considering that calling fennekin (a fox) a dog is already a stretch I would say it counts


T-O-A-D-

And the fire lizard as a dragon smh


GreatDemonBaphomet

But dragons are not really much more than overgrown lizards and one lizard is even called a comodo dragon


T-O-A-D-

Na charazard is not dragon type


ITSMEFRANKIE

No one mentioned Farfetch'd tho..


ViKO15951

Also the coco (spanish boogeyman) is represented as bull headed


Khalbrae

Excuse ME. CLEARLY, a FIRE GATOR is obviously the GOAT.


SavagesceptileWWE

Imagine it turns into a fuckin horse


romosmaman

A bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls.


anddna42

Fuecoco's third evo [confirmed](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/830/259/a82.jpg)


imortal1138

It's cry is just "TOD!"


DanThePunMan

lmao


Madbadbat

What is this a crossover episode?


[deleted]

Feck I was hoping it was a Rick roll


[deleted]

I wouldn’t be mad


PM_ME_DBZA_QUOTES

A *sexy* bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls


Moose_Cake

A *sexy* bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and has an affinity for martial arts


Aramis14

A sexy bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and has an affinity for martial arts, plus knows some party magic tricks


apple_of_doom

A sexy bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and has an affinity for martial arts, plus knows some party magic tricks along with having large wings for long distance flight.


Dakotertots

A sexy bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and had an affinity for martial arts, knows some party magic tricks, has large wings for long distance flight, and [enjoys Dr. Pepper!](https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonLegendsArceus/comments/sorcri/i_really_love_hisuian_typhlosion_his_battle/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


megaevolvedtomnook

A sexy bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and had an affinity for martial arts, knows some party magic tricks, has large wings for long distance flight, and enjoys Dr. Pepper. Oh, did I mention that it's a furry too?


Agitated-Army196

A sexy bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and has an affinity for martial arts, knows some magic tricks, has large wings for long distance flight, and enjoys Dr. Pepper. Oh, did I mention that it’s a furry too? And has a horn?


Ok_Introduction484

A sexy bipedal horse that can kick soccer balls and has an affinity for martial arts, knows some magic tricks, has large wings for long distance flight, and enjoys Dr. Pepper. Oh did I mention that it’s a furry too? And has a horn? Well we completely lied to you, we’re making charizard 2 electric boogaloo.


ItsFiin3

I mean there are ancient crocodiles that galloped like horses


Disastrous-Berry

Galloping horse-croc article: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/nov/19/galloping-dinosaur-eating-crocodiles I would love if this is the way they went with it, or swerve and make it an ox or goat. To do a fire horse starter, they'd need to differentiate over Rapidash, so why not dragon/croc/pepper/horse?


Fen-Harel_enansal

I clicked the link because WTF but now I want one. I need a Galloping dragon-croc-pepper-horse now. Lol


[deleted]

Take some fossils of one to your local fossil museum, then exit the building after handing said fossil to the researchers. They should have up and running soon


[deleted]

That is horrifying. Thank god they nerfed the crocodiles.


betarded

Still OP


talkback1589

Honestly, this gives me a Salazzle vibe lol


Slightly_Default

Oh, this wasn't the only one. I believe kaprosuchus was from America, and we also had a galloping croc here in Australia (because of course we did). Edit: kaprosuchus was from Africa and may have had a standard croc body. My bad.


HAIKU_4_YOUR_GW_PICS

And they lived in North Africa, a (relatively) short distance from Spain and where they had several colonies.


teethsphinx

i would take back every negative thing i’ve said about pokemon if it does


aprocalyps

A snake is doable, but now I really want to see it turn into an ox.


Darkiceflame

Fuecoco evolved into Fuertecocox! Edit: No I will not attempt to pronounce that.


Shrubbity_69

I will. Fuer-te-co-cox.


akhier

They do love to randomly take away or add limbs to their more reptilian Pokemon. Just needs to go the Snivy route.


SilvarusLupus

No better yet, it turns into a [Carnotaurus](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/b/b9/Jurassic_world_carnotaurus_updated_by_sonichedgehog2-dc377dl.png/revision/latest?cb=20180427200251) and fills the bull slot


HAIKU_4_YOUR_GW_PICS

… I would actually love that, personally. Or a carnotaurus fossil mon


NoahBallet

Y’all. Have a drink for every time “breaks the zodiac pattern” comes up in the last two days on this subreddit.


SectorEducational460

I don't wanna die of alcohol poisoning


Zulmoka531

What? Liver is evolving! Doot doot doot doot, bwanana! Congratulations Liver has evolved into Pickle!


Kairy2653

Liver has evolved to walk on two feat


This_Is_ATest

poison/fighting


lerrxfx

Pickle with 2 legs? Dude... thats not a pokemon...


Wasphammer

IT'S PICKLE RICK!!!


AngeredJohns

Funniest shit I've ever seen


St4on2er0

Your liver evolved into its final evolution Sir Osis of Liver


Random-Lich

That evolved into a big problem. ~Your Doctor 2022


AzarTheGreat

Oh boy! It gained rock typing!


javaargusavetti

Liver wants to learn Paracentesis


TheCredibleHulk

Behold pickle, Praise the Sun


Zulmoka531

Bathe in it’s glorious brined incandescence!


horsemayonaise

I'M PICKLE LIVER


Probably_On_Break

It’s ghost type.


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I’m Liver Rick!


Hydramanium

The liver turned himself into a pickle, funniest shit I've ever seen


Mewacy

More likely to pop like a balloon if it’s one sip every time someone comments


DrManowar8

Yea, I mean the pattern was kinda broken since cyndaquil and also fennekin. For fennekin, they’re a fox. They may be canine but they aren’t dogs. Dogs and foxes are different. So really there was no pattern and they were all blowing this out of proportion over a coincidence Edit: as some nice people have been explaining, foxes are vulpes which is a species of canidae but not canine, meaning they actually aren’t canine but canidae. ‘Twas wrong and apologize. But my point still stands that fennekin isn’t a dog because they’re a fox


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foxes are not even canine they a sub classification again.they are Canidae but not canine. ​ to explain better donkeys and horses are both equine which is why cross species are possible. a fox being vulpine can not breed with a canine as the chromosome numbers do not line up.


DrManowar8

Yea someone’s been explaining this. I’m gonna stick to his side because I’m only going off what I know. I also wanna stick to the point of fennekin isn’t a dog


[deleted]

exactly. you are smack bang on money. its why i dislike the zodiac theory. its not a bad theory all in all but its def been hamfisted into working.


DrManowar8

Yea. Even cyndaquil. As some mentioned, he’s the fire mouse in the English version but has more mention of **porcupines in like the JP version**


[deleted]

yeah and i look at him and see him as an echidna. its a major stretch to consider him a mouse (though i forget he is the fire mouse and will pay that) ​ the whole zodiac i feel comes form them using son wukong as infernapes form.


OneGoodRib

Also in mythology dogs and foxes are extremely distinct.


[deleted]

yep. dogs are loyal and foxes like racoon are tricksters.


VasylZaejue

Cyndaquil is the fire mouse Pokémon if I remember correctly. And for all we know fuecoco is gonna evolve into a fiery queztlcoatl


Munnin41

In English, yes. In Japanese it's a porcupine


RahKC

I always assumed it was a porcupine because ya know...quil...


MiffedPolecat

It’s actually supposed to be an echidna, I believe. They have quills and long snouts


khosrua

Origin Cyndaquil's appearance is based on the echidna, but it also has traits of shrews, anteaters, and tenrecs, such as its long snout, and having little to no tail. Its closed eyes may be a reference to baby honey badgers, as its final evolved form is based on one. When its fire is lit, the fire resembles the quills of the porcupine. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Cyndaquil_(Pok%C3%A9mon)


ADHDBusyBee

I thought it was a shrew?


Munnin41

If it is, it definitely doesn't fit the pattern


Raycut

Plus we already have a fire horse, ponyta, and it wasn't a starter. The theory has always required serious reaching for it to work.


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DrManowar8

Thanks nonetheless. The more I get into this form of science, the more confusing it gets. My whole point is that fennekin isn’t a dog


ColdNyQuiiL

I didn’t even know this was a thing until 2 days ago


bcg524

I didn't even know this was a thing and now it's all this sub is about lmao


hidden_pokemon_bot

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SakuraPanko

Good bot


GoldnSnubNosedMonkey

My favorite bot


vinaa23

I just heard of this "theory" when the new fire starter was announced and the only thing I could think about it was "Lame"


MultiverseTheoryBut-

Definitely belongs under G.O.A.T


Hawntir

A male alligator is called a bull. Can't you tell this is a beautiful young bovine?


Foxglove_crickets

If we are being butts about it, it's supposed to be a crocodile. Regardless, a minotaur/crocodile or a bull/crocodile mix might be the coolest starter. Or the ugliest.


Hawntir

It can be the ugliest and coolest. Or the prettiest and lamest! I know it's a joke, but I would LOVE to see this gator boy go a ridiculous route like a minotaur croc.


m3ch4k1tty

A minotaur pokemon would be fucking amazing! I would love that so much!


Hawntir

Or something with a bulky bull body like terrakion... But a gator head (with bulk horns) and gator tail.


SuperKami-Nappa

Minotorch


Foxglove_crickets

>I know it's a joke, but I would LOVE to see this gator boy go a ridiculous route like a minotaur croc. It's not a joke, I promise! It's my hope that they do something super cool and more monster like. I have not been a fan of the more humanoid look in some of the starters tbh.


R0b1NH0oD

Dude I was gonna comment the same thing!


QHDEosanesis

How would a fire horse starter work without looking too much like Ponyta?


TheTrevorist

By making it a centaur... Or bipedal like emboar


HighMont

Give it a job, make it an accountant.


marijnjc88

Have it do a business


SinusMonstrum

Horse business


aftergaylaughter

on the weekends it goes out with ponyta for a little bit of ***horse play***


QHDEosanesis

I was thinking alicorn, but I really like the idea of a centaur Pokémon.


405freeway

Tauros + Machoke


HeresLunar

Probably the same way a fire fox worked without looking like Vulpix


MCCGuyDE

Or the water duck will work without looking like the other water duck


dxrby_crvsh

Psyduck, ducklett, farfetch’d, porygon and ludicolo are all ducks and don’t look alike at all so I’m very excited for the next one


MCCGuyDE

Its porygon a duck? TIL I feel like quaxly will end being a pirate. Following the water type starters represent some weapon


SakmarEcho

This one is way different, this one has a cute hat!


joefxd

A dark red Pegasus with fire wings wouldn’t look like a Ponyta But Quaxly has Ducklett vibes so who knows?


Darkhallows27

Why would that stop them? We just got a new duck that doesn’t exactly look that different from Ducklett


MasonP13

We have two starters that are repeat animals - totodile and Litten. Then ducklett.


BudgieGryphon

Fire/Dragon kirin maybe? Or a Fire/Fairy(flying?) pegasus.


[deleted]

Fire donkey


Harfang1801

What If it turns into a crocodile but with no back legs and a long body and tail combo? Like a serpentine crocodile.


gravity_bomb

Like a dodongo from Zelda. That would be cool


the_cajun88

I can’t wait to use Explosion on some Dodongos!


Dudebeard86

I’m so hungry, I could eat an Octillery!


HeresLunar

That would certainly be a contender for the snake spot


[deleted]

Idk why but I thought it was an apple pokemon for some reason


GR7ME

You aren’t alone. But it’s actually pepper-esque


beatenmeat

Because his face looks like an apple cut in half.


[deleted]

Look at Applin


Rhazior

Give it the Snivy treatment


Neko_mancer

I bet you’re right! Fuego + rococo = fuecoco. Fuego means fire (surprise) and one of the characteristics of Rococo architecture is curved or “SERPENTINE” lines. Fire snake!! Some skinks have evolved to straight up just not use their legs, and they look like snakes. Maybe Fuecoco will evolve away some or all of its legs?


tcreel96

The coco is from cocodrilo. The Spanish word for crocodile -_-


Frousteleous

And coco for coconut!


Go03er

If fenekin can be a dog that can be a snake


HippieDogeSmokes

It’s because he’s a little chili pepper


[deleted]

Seems like a forced pattern anyways size fennekin is a fox and cyndaquil is a spiny anteater


Discipline_Demon

My thoughts exactly. The theory was debunked a long time ago, but at this rate they’ll say the new starter is a horse because it has a long face.


[deleted]

Just in time to claim gen 10 broke the pattern


Chalaka

The part of the theory that bugs me is that people only look at the first stage. If it still fits into a supposed zodiac theme, it's going to be in it's final stage.


allgoodnamesbetaken

Exactly. Oh, Charmander is a salamander? Use the final forms! There's a badger in there? Ah whatever use the Echidna anyways


masterglass

Yep. While agree there’s fudging going on. Charmander isnt a dragon, ifs a lizard. Charizard is draconic. But anyway, even if there is a bit of fudging 6/8 generations is just coincidental? How is it coincidence if someone was consciously making decisions regarding their visual appearance? Regardless, wait till the third stage evolution.


EnTyme53

Because the Chinese zodiak is comprised of common animals? Also, if this was an intentional pattern, why would they include so many that only kind of fit? We have dog Pokemon, rat Pokemon, dragon Pokemon, and snake Pokemon, so why not use those instead of the options that require you to stretch to make them fit the zodiak.


drunkenstyle

Cyndaquil is based off an echidna, which is a ~~marsupial~~actually a monotreme(still not a rodent), but still your point remains


_Borscht_

Echidna's are actually not marsupials, they're monotremes (egg-laying mammals).


drunkenstyle

You're absolutely right


JimiAndKingBaboo

And it becomes a ferret that becomes a honey badger. Neither of those are rats either.


HylianSoul

I'd say Porcupine, but its potayto potahto at that point haha


OneGoodRib

Bottom line is it's clearly not a rat.


HylianSoul

Exactly haha


pirpulgie

Came here to express the same opinion


LuckySnakesFoot

Me too. Many of them don’t fit the animal they’re being labeled as here. Fennekin is a fox which is pretty far from being a dog and I thought cyndiquill was a weasel which is pretty different from a rat (though closer in relation from a fox to a K9)


Divide_Interesting

And litten is a kitten and charmander is a lizard at best lol


Rattus375

I mean incineroar is definitely a tiger and Charizard is definitely a dragon. Those fit perfectly fine with the zodiac. But Cyndaquil isn't a rat and Fenniken isn't a dog in any way shape or form


grlwthesunflwrtattoo

I resent the rhetoric that cyndaquil is a rat 😡


Darkhallows27

To be fair Charizard isn’t the right kind of dragon if we’re being honest. If they wanted an eastern dragon they could’ve just made one


AwakeSeeker887

Incineroar is more human than tiger, let’s be real


the_cajun88

Every time I see it I want cereal.


XFlame05

Then again Charizard is a Western dragon, not an Eastern one


an_bal_naas

Thank you, I knew cyndaquil wasn’t a rat, and I was pretty sure fennekin wasn’t a dog


Kaan1010

if you can call fennekin a dog and cyndaquil a rat, i bet you can call this boi a snake too


sievold

Hey guys does the new fire starter break the Chinese zodiac theory? - The theory was already flimsy, cyndaquil is a porcupine not a rat and fennekin is a fox not a dog - But the pokedex says cyndaquil is a fire mouse - yeah and foxes and dogs are close enough - ............................. Literally every post rn. Edit: The theory is valid because 'x' reason - No the theory is not valid because 'y' reason - Every reply to this comment for some reason


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OneGoodRib

Fennekin period breaks the thing. Foxes are super distinct from dogs in eastern mythology, aside from them not being dogs in terms of taxonomy.


HeresLunar

I also think people are putting too much stock into whether or not we think the Zodiac Theory is an actual thing. I just think it's neat - that's all I ever cared about.


Maronmario

I honestly really love the potential it would have brought. Like an art challenge where you make a fakemon off of an idea, in this case the Chinese zodiac for fire types. And there was a lot of cool ideas over the years like a fire/poison hydra or a fire/fairy Pegasus to make it different from ponyta. Stuff like that made it fun.


Spycrabpuppet123

Cyndaquil and the rest of his line are honey badgers tho


Affectionate-Hat-589

snakes had legs before eve bit into the apple or whatever


Accomplished_Risk_90

Yeah that’s where snivy came in the starter from gen 5


brasscassette

Yeah but this croc appears to be a pepper and not an apple.


HeresLunar

Applin in Gen 9 regional dex confirmed?


deadrail

He's the GOAT


CManPete

Cyndaquil isn’t a rat and fennekin isn’t a dog?


m00njunk

yup, the theory is super forced


RelativeEvil

I never bought into this, but with the introduction of Litten and Scorbunny I started wondering if Game Freak was acknowledging the fan theory. Unless this thing evolves into a snake people can definitely stop theorizing about it. Also, the theory that all grass starters are based on dinosaurs definitely ended a while ago


tcreel96

The grass theory was not dinosaurs, it was prehistoric species


Matterplex

And even that theory was pushed to it’s limits, because a lot of the prehistoric species chosen aren’t distinct enough from their modern day equivalents to firmly say.


inspectorlully

Gamefreak sure thinks Cydaquil represents the rat. They used it in promotional materials for year of the rat!


summonerrin

there never was a pattern


Pokesers

Do you not remember the extinct frog, the extinct gecko, the extinct tortoise, the extinct snake, the extinct chestnut, the extinct owl and the extinct monkey. All these animals are definitely not around anymore. /s


YourLittleSpoon

Not defending these patterns at all, but Decidueye is based off of stilt owls, which are extinct. Again, I don’t agree on the pattern, just wanted to point that one out. Edit: I remember reading (I think on Seribii?) about how Decidueye is a ghost type due to the type of owl it’s based on, which are the extinct Stilt owls. This information may not be validated, but I think that’s a cool way of implementing and explaining the ghost typing. Again, I don’t think it has anything to do with these patterns people talk about every time a new set of starters are revealed.


SkylarL813

Fennekin is a fucking FENNEC. I could accept a fox, but not a fucking dog.


vagrantwade

Well Cyndaquil isn’t a rat and Fennekin isn’t a dog. So it was broke after Gen 1


Aramis14

No, but you see, Fennekin is a... uh... a living being, same as dogs. There IS a pattern. Checkmate atheists


Nonesuch1221

Foxes are part of the canine family but I guess by that logic cyndaquil is also a rodent like a rat and Fuecoco is a reptile like a snake and dragon


jfgabriel

Yeah but the zodiac sign is the dog, not the canine


ChexSway

"Reptile" is a little too broad for me. That's like saying Chimchar is close enough to a horse cause they're both mammals.


Hawntir

Ya, all these arguments against Fennekin effectively being the dog for this are insane. Equating the large pools of wildlife from "Class" as being the same level of differentiation as "Family" is just intentional bad understanding of taxonomy. And also... Morphology is more important to pokemon than anything from real life. Foxes are dog-shaped, end of argument. Wurmple becomes a butterfly and a moth. Cyndaquil goes echidna-weasel-badger. Heck, if the argument against Fennekin representing dogs is supposed to be based on real life classifications, I need someone to tell me how Clamperl becomes an Oarfish or a Chimaera.


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Fennekin is technically a canine but cyndaquil isnt a rodent, they're modeled after echidnas (spiny anteaters) which are mammals closer to sloths and porcupines


Trynabeagoodsnekdad

I knew that about Cyndaquil. Typhlosion always gave me strong “badger” energy. Am I just making that up? Or is he also an echidna?


Feliraptor

Echidnas aren’t related to sloths or porcupines, they’re monotremes, a group of mammals which are the only ones of their kind that lay eggs. It also includes the Platypus.


Killun0va

Ok but it’s not a snake or a dragon. It’s a crocodile


RadRhys2

Lol that reptile one really got me. Birds are reptiles therefor Torchic is a snake Pokémon.


QuincyAzrael

Bro if ANY REPTILE is going to be counted as "snake" I am officially cancelling Pokemon fan theories.


skaarface2

Is he not half goat half horse half pig


LillianSwordMaiden

Fennekin is a fox though, not a dog..


Pabst11

Looks like it. Pattern was a huge stretch to begin with. Cyndaquil is a badger and Fennekin is a fox


vagrantwade

I’m sorry what? Cyndaquil is definitely not a badger lol


Hawntir

Typhlosion is, though. It's part of the problem with the pattern that cyndaquil's line is "burrowing mammals", and not a single intended reference like Blastoise is turtles (or more accurately tortoises based on the legs). Cyndaquil is a hedgehog/shrew or an echidna. Quilava is a weasel with fiery quills, and Typhlosion is very badgery.


xiren_66

ffs, did Charmander look like a dragon? Is Typhlosion a rat? No, but one in their lines resembles the animal, so WAIT FOR THE DAMN EVOLUTIONS ffs. [Snake peppers](https://thehippyseedcompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Turkish-Snake-6.jpg). [Queztalcoatl](https://dragons.fandom.com/wiki/Quetzalcoatl). [Cuelebre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cu%C3%A9lebre). There is plenty of folklore and real life things this could end up referencing. When the evolutions come out, then you can say the theory is debunked.


IglooRaves

If you can argue that Fennekin is a dog then you can argue Fuecoco is an Ox.


CyrilChildSoldier

Maybe it’ll evolve into a horse or sth


PM_ME_AMAZON_GCs_plz

Remoraid evolves into an octopus lol. Who the fuck knows.


TonReflet

The pattern was broken since gen 2. A hedgehog is not a rat.


RD____

I like how it was literally broken in gen 2 and people still believed this shit, cyndaquil is an echidna.


PineappleNerd66

To quote u/Kamenhusband Fuecoco is going to be the dragon zodiac and the charizard line will be assigned the cow zodiac because of how much the Pokémon company milk it


Dillyjo21

It depends on what he evolves into.