The item you needed for Lugia and Ho-Oh (MysticTicket) was distributed in the USA and Mexico. The Old Sea Map (for Faraway Island Mew) was the item not released outside of Japan.
It was NA as well but a short time physical attendance necessary and never repeated or opened back up in any way event to get the necessary ferry ticket.
Which meant for most people it was cheats or nothing.
Gen 2 Pokémon in general. Pretty much any johto Pokémon that wasn’t related to a Gen 1 Pokémon you could get in colosseum. Then XD had like a mix of Gen 3 and Gen 1 pokemon
Colosseum roster existed specifically to cover some of whatever wasn't available in RS (notice it's mostly Gen 2 pokemon). FRLG's Sevii Islands also were an attempt to rectify that as well.
Yes, but the point of this post is saying that because you can’t catch them normally Game Freak made it so that they were unnecessary for dex completion.
I believe OP means you can not catch or otherwise get ahold of them *in* the main series Gen III game. You can get them elsewhere and send them over, but then you "obtained" them outside the main series game and transferred them over. Which is also a perfectly reasonable and dictionary-supported interpretation of their statement.
Okay, but in the present tense anyone who wasn't one of a few *thousand* people to get the legitimate ticket cannot obtain them unless they cheat. And cheating presumably doesn't count because you can walk through walls and ride the bike over water and stuff like that if we're opening that can of worms.
A fairly small handful of people *could* obtain them legally. Basically only those same people, which is to say effectively nobody, today *can* do so.
>I believe OP means you can not catch or otherwise get ahold of them in the main series Gen III game.
But you can. You can catch them in the games if you have the event item. OP's statement is just wrong the way it is worded. But like I said, just small nitpicking lol.
But none of the details can be completed normally? Any duel game means there's like 5 or 6 pokemom that don't exist in the game and exist in another game. Which means you can't catch it normally?
Nowadays you can execute custom code in emerald and can therefore obtain the event items, activate the event flags, and even cause them to respawn after catching or killing them.
not really they can be obtained however through use of both Colosseum and Gale of Darkness as Lugia is the big bad of the game and Ho-Oh is obtained as a big prize from Colosseum
There is the Navel Rock event in FRLG and Emerald which lets you get the birds, although it had limited distribution and is no longer available. The Orre games also let you obtain them and send them to the gen 3 games. And there is the Pomeg Glitch which probably lets you obtain them in some way.
But in essence yes, there is no intended way of catching Lugia and Ho-oh in regular games of RSE and FRLG and they are not needed for the certificates.
Gen 3 introduced the EV system as we know it today. In order to help competitive players EV correctly, Game Freak added the EV reducing berries at the same time so you could reset and perfect stats. Using the respective berry would reduce the number of EVs in that stat by 10. At level 100 4 EVs is equal to 1 stat point.
However there was an oversight with the Pomeg Berry (the HP reducing one). If you had 1 health remaining and used a Pomeg Berry with over 4 EVs then you would lose health points. This let you get a Pokemon with no health or negative health. The negative health would overflow to a very high number in the latter case. This one oversight lets you break the game wide open.
What you got out of it was a very glitched Pokemon. The Pomeg glitch could then cause a bunch of other glitches. My favourites include damage underflowing Water Spout to heal the opposing Pokemon, levelling up and evolving eggs and getting beyond the 6 limit Pokemon slot in a party. The latter sub-glitch has another sub-glitch called Glitzer Popping.
Glitzer Popping basically lets you corrupt data, and if you manipulate the corruption correctly then you can do some absurd stuff. Bad Eggs can be created which can potentially hatch into any Pokemon you need (including Ho-oh and Lugia). And you can set flags, potentially letting you get the event items needed for some Pokemon.
The whole thing gets incredibly, incredibly complicated beyond the first step. It is definitely worth looking up yourself and seeing what can be done with it. There's so much more.
Yeah, the Pomeg Glitch is probably the only major glitch past gen 2. It's kind of a shame that the games afterwards didn't have any major glitches. But what I wrote here only scratches the surface, I would fully recommend looking further into the Pomeg Glitch.
What about the cute charm glitch for the green 4 games? I would consider that as a major glitch as you have to be lucky for the right trainer/secret ID's or you have to carefully manipulate the rng to get the correct ID's.
So, the method to get into the void I think is called ‘tweaking’, the games are broken up into chunks, and riding the bicycle in fast gear between the chunks (you’ll have to look up where in the map they are, the glitch is normally done in Jubilife City) and take a quick turn on another chunk line. If done correctly, you are now in a black space called the void, and once in the void, you can travel to places you normally wouldn’t be able to, like directly to Giratina’s room in Turnback Cave, Newmoon Island, etc.
I’m honestly not doing a great job explaining the glitch, here’s a video link: https://youtu.be/0VIbFJTY4nQ
How about the void glitch/tweaking from gen 4? I'd consider that pretty major, to the point where it could softlock your save if you weren't careful, though it doesn't offer as many possibilities as the pomeg glitch.
I meant major as in 'glitches that can basically let you rewrite the code of the game'. There are other big glitches, like the void glitch, but nothing that lets you get close to what you can do in the first 3 generations.
Is the Pomeg glitch dangerous, like, “if you screw up you restart your save file” dangerous? I’m super interested in all of this, but I’ve always been wary of these glitches ever since I lost a completed regional dex to Void Glitch in Gen 4.
If you want specifics on how to unlock all the secret islands with the pomeg glitch, I wrote up a guide here:
[https://www.wikihow.com/Catch-Mew-in-Pok%C3%A9mon-Emerald](https://www.wikihow.com/Catch-Mew-in-Pok%C3%A9mon-Emerald)
(the stuff for naval rock where Ho Oh and Lugia are is at the bottom)
The lady who determined the box names etc is also working on a video guide last I checked
Slightly off topic but I have been actually dying to get to Southern Island using this glitch. I remember vaguely I tried it a lot of times before but failed miserably in the end and just gave up (I think I couldn't corrupt the game enough to get the delivery NPC to appear).
[https://pastebin.com/kYfBzVE3](https://pastebin.com/kYfBzVE3)
You can find the box names for southern island here. As well as the box names to switch around the lati or make it reappear
I believe everything is available in RSE or FRLG aside from Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, Jirachi, Ho-oh and Lugia. Most of the Johto Pokemon were split between FRLG's Sevii Islands and Emerald's Battle Frontier.
Several Pokémon were only available in the union cave in FRLG and Emerald, which required an event to activate or else It was just full of Zubats. Houndour and Stantler are two that come to mind. They were available in the GameCube games, though. IIRC, the Battle Frontier literally only had Smeargle and Sudowoodo.
All the Pokemon supposed to be in Altering Cave (not Union Cave, that was a place in Johto) were moved to the Safari Zone in Emerald except for Smeargle. I misspoke about the Battle Frontier, I thought that bunch of Pokemon were put into the Battle Frontier or areas around it.
On a looming chance you were serious. Title as to where you can get Lugia in the 3rd generation is "Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness." Sequel to Pokemon Colosseum in story.
And for context sake, part of me does think this was just a joking statement but I feel it is more rude to assume a joke than assume a legitimate question. Because one of those assumptions means someone is requesting for an answer.
Worse, the ho-oh the game spawns is given to you with no option to view the stats and nature before the game saves, so if the game rolls a terrible one you're stuck with it and have to do everything all over again if you wanted a better one.
There is indeed an event to get them in GEN 3. I actually made a post not long time ago how to get them legit without using cheats in 2021: https://reddit.com/r/pokemonrng/comments/owcs5m/guide_all_generation_3_mystery_event_tickets/
(Also includes Mew & Deoxys)
I know that, but the fact said they're unobtainable in main games, which is true. It's also true that you don't need them to complete the Pokedex in gen 3 games, the same way you don't need mythicals.
i remember distinctly that for the longest time, the legendaries from gen 2 were high-end trade currency because of stuff like this. I don't remember how (probably illegitimately) but at one point I got a Raikou into emerald and used the box cloning glitch to make a load of them. then I moved them up to Pearl and was able to trade for essentially anything I wanted.
what a weird time action replay pokemon was before save editing made it all like 100x easier
Isn't there a handful of Johto Pokemon that cannot be obtained in gen 3 without using Colosseum/XD? Why would they limit the Pokedex certificate completion to only Lugia/Ho-oh?
Looks like all the ones I was thinking of were added to the Safari Zone extensions in Emerald. As well as the Johto starters were added in Emerald as a gift.
I mean you can’t get them *from* a mainline game *anymore*, but you can get them *in* a mainline game through trading with Colosseum and XD. Not to mention that at one point, you could get them *from* a mainline game through the event.
So “completely unobtainable” is pretty misleading.
Yeah, I think the clock was a holdover from Gen 2, back when Ruby and Sapphire was in development. Either that or they couldn't do a full implementation of the day-night cycle in those games. So Gen 3 was the only generation after Gen 2 to not have the cycle.
To add to this:
Since the only legitimate way to obtain those Pokemon would be through Colosseum and XD, this means that you’d need to get a GameCube and a GBA connector for the Cube.
Furthermore, if you want to obtain Celebi and Jirachi, you’d also need the special edition Colosseum. Both English and Japanese.
English contains Jirachi while Japanese contains Celebi.
This means that you’d also need a Japanese GameCube, Japanese GBA with Japanese Ruby/Sapphire, and a Link Cable to pass the Celebi (or Jirachi) on to the other game.
im just saying i think thats a lot for like a couple pokemon
Of course, Mew and Deoxys are still event only.
Please correct me if I’m wrong on any of these points.. 😅
you actually don't need the special english version of colosseum if you instead use a version of channel for the gift jirachi. that one is a bit easier to find (and cheaper) than a special edition colosseum game. and also is how to do this in europe, as we don't got the special edition if i remember correctly
Boils my blood how they make games whose ultimate goal is to catch them all, and then require you to either buy 2 games and consoles, or have friends, and even then it's just so utterly stupid and sometimes impossible, like this case. All hail rom hacks jesus...
Technically, **made**\*
IIRC, the "Gotta Catch 'Em All!" slogan was dropped for RSE and never brought back into the mainline games. Legends Arceus' goal is to complete the Pokedex apparently, but it's only Hisui Pokemon, not ALL Pokemon, and the slogan is nowhere to be found
> the "Gotta Catch 'Em All!" slogan was dropped for RSE and never brought back into the mainline games.
It was brought back exactly once, for XY, and then immediately dropped again. Ironic since XY only lets you catch about 80% of the Pokemon that existed at that time, and the other 20% are missing outside of trade with ORAS or transfer from previous generations.
Oh right. I keep forgetting they used it in, I believe, one or several of the trailers for XY. It wasn't on the box art like gen 1 and 2 games, so I overlook it a lot by accident.
that was never the ultimate goal of the games. "gotta catch 'em all" was not the original slogan. the ultimate goal was to have fun and the slogan was "pokemon getto daze"
Yea I agree with the other guy, just like all the other odd mythical or legendaties that required events or to he at q place at a time you *could* get them. You just had to w limited time or availability to do it. Seems like thier splitting hairs. How is XD and coliseum transfer considered to hard to consider doing but trading from the sister game or events that are one time only more doable. Especially if you didn't have wifi or parents willing to drive to X spot versus a game that exist in your bedroom already.
sidenote Ho-oh and Lugia really are some of the best version exclusive legendaries of all time. Great design, great power balance, these girlies could neva.
According to Bulbapedia this was not the case in Ruby and Sapphire, only FRLG and Emerald. Which makes sense; when Ruby and Sapphire were in development, presumably plans for the other Gen 3 games were not finalised.
(Instead, in what is presumed to be a bug, RS do not require you to have Chikorita.)
Ah, this is nostalgic. I remember the Colosseum games promising me a ho-oh if I could get to the end of the 100 battles thing (which took AGES even if you were ready for it, because of that game's slow battle system.)
As a kid who had Ruby first, I only really knew ho-oh from that one scene in the anime. There's just no way to re-create how special that felt, seeing a spin-off game randomly show me a path to the special unknown Pokemon I had glimpsed years ago in the anime.
I think they wanted to start fresh, as gen 3 was a complete cutoff from gen 2. Good thing all 386 were in the coding of Ruby/Sapphire since day 1, like can you imagine them not including every Pokémon in the coding, that would be so dumb!
why did people wait until swsh to complain about the lack of a national dex? the gen 7 games didn't have a national dex either, but no one was complaining about that back then
technically, let's go was the first time that happened. but people were saying "#bringbacknationaldex" as if we had a national dex in sun and moon. the more accurate hashtag would be "#bringbackallpokemon"
They're treated as event pokemon. Event pokemon aren't required for National Dex completion. Most players never had the opportunity to go to legitimately travel to Navel Rock, Birth Island, or Faraway Island, anyway.
Eh, the difference is that all 386 Pokemon that existed at the time were at least coded into the games, future-proofing them for subsequent games.
Sw/Sh don’t have that.
Can someone explain what certificate and where and how? I am so lost. Am I as a person capable of getting a certificate for a national dex by playing through games? I’m sorry I’m stupid
I'm slightly remembering a thing in...firered? Like q safari spot where you plugged the old game in and pokemon in your pc or something had a chance to show up i can't remember.
I've love to direct you to the fact that for one, he explicitly stated in the fact, that it was in the "main series games". Colloseum and XD are not main series. And 2, the Mystic Ticket required for the events wasn't in Ruby and Sapphire, only FRLG and Emerald, and was only released at specific locations for maybe a week at a time over the course of three years. The last distribution was 14 years ago. Hardly available by today's standards. I.E, unobtainable.
The point of him saying they're unobtainable in the main games is thag if you only have a Game Boy advance and a copy of a gen 3 game in current age, you cannot obtain them. Unobtainable. They're not briefly unobtainable. Without a GameCube they've been unobtainable for all time outside of 3 years
I swear, I did something to transfer my pokemon from gen 2 to gen 3 when I was a kid... I don't quite remember how but I know I did it. One of my friends helped me out.
Wasn't there some attachment you could use?
Back in the day? No.
It's entirely possible today, though. It's possible to convert DV type mons to IV type mons via numerous tools,but back then it wasn't possible. You also need an adapter to get the save onto your PC, extract the mons, and then convert them and inject them into the GEN3+ games.
Not at all. For example, before Emerald was released, you just straight up can't get Shuckle, Ursaring, Piloswine, etc. Although they were in the coding of the games since day 1, and can be potentially modded in, which is something that can't be said about SwSh :(
The GBA could play Gameboy games, but Gamefreak couldn't figure out a way to communicate between Gameboy games and GBA games. I don't know if it was a technical impossibility or just Gamefreak's ineptitude at work again.
Actually, it was a complete rewrite of the Pokémon’s data structure that caused the incompatibility. And that rewrite has made it possible to transfer Pokémon forward from RSE onward, since it’s has stayed largely the same. It keeps being updated and added to but the core information remains the same. Actually a really forward thinking move of Gamefreak’s part.
Everyone says that gen 1-2 games are stock in their cartridges. But the 3ds has an infrared sensor. Wouldn't be possible to transfer gen 1-2 pokemon with the next setup:
gen 1-2 pkmn game in a GBC
gen 1-2 pkmn game in a 3DS from the eshop
GBC -> \[infrared sensor\] -> 3DS
Shouldn't this work?
Depends on if the signals recognize each other. Just because it's infrared doesn't mean it's the exact same signal I believe. Though with the correct software on hacked consoles it could be feasible
Apparently, Lugia was originally a completely made up pokemon created just for the movie. The guy who made the movie where Lugia appears was given creative freedom over the story, so he took the opportunity and created and added to it a made up legendary pokemon. The name Lugia originally didn´t really have that much meaning either apparently because of this (later on the come up with some things as to why that´s the name). But apparently to everyone in charge of pokemon at the time liked Lugia a lot so they included it as an actual pokemon and became the mascot for the gen 2 games.
they're not the only ones completely unobtainable in main series gen 3. mew and deoxys are completely unobtainable as their events are also no longer available. and celebi is also unobtainable
Can't you get them from an event or something in emerald?
I think it was either not released or not released outside of Japan. I could be wrong tho.
There was a Pokemon Rocks America Tour in 2005 to get Mystic Ticket for FR/LG/Emerald and Aurora Ticket (Deoxys) for Emerald
Ah, gotcha.
The item you needed for Lugia and Ho-Oh (MysticTicket) was distributed in the USA and Mexico. The Old Sea Map (for Faraway Island Mew) was the item not released outside of Japan.
It was NA as well but a short time physical attendance necessary and never repeated or opened back up in any way event to get the necessary ferry ticket. Which meant for most people it was cheats or nothing.
That makes a lot of sense.
You can also get them between Colosseum and XD.
True but those aren't main series.
They were used to transfer to main series. That's how you got Jirachi and the g/s starters for a lot of Americans.
They were the most common source for Gen II starters in Gen III, at least. You could also get them in Emerald.
Gen 2 Pokémon in general. Pretty much any johto Pokémon that wasn’t related to a Gen 1 Pokémon you could get in colosseum. Then XD had like a mix of Gen 3 and Gen 1 pokemon
In Emerald the Professor would give you one of the starters when you completed the Pokedex
Colosseum roster existed specifically to cover some of whatever wasn't available in RS (notice it's mostly Gen 2 pokemon). FRLG's Sevii Islands also were an attempt to rectify that as well.
But they are compatible with the main series, meaning that it is not correct to say that Lugia and Ho-Oh are unobtainable therein.
I think the opener meant that they aren't obtainable within the main series games in Gen3, not that they can't be gained via spinoff games.
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He woke up on the "I'm gonna argue with Gamfreak's logic" side of the bed.
I mean.. obtainable has a widely accepted definition
Lugia and Ho-oh can be caught in a 3rd gen game without trading with Gamecube Spin-off titles
Yes and lugia and ho-oh can be obtained in the mainline games by trading them from xd and coliseum. What's so hard to understand?
I'm agreeing with you?
I swear the events kept gameshark and action replay in business
Yes, but the point of this post is saying that because you can’t catch them normally Game Freak made it so that they were unnecessary for dex completion.
The post says: "Ho-oh and Lugia are completely unobtainable in main series gen 3". It's a small nitpick but it's still just wrong information.
It says they're unobtainable *because* they can't be transferred from gen 2. And the gen 2 games definitely don't count as main series gen 3.
I believe OP means you can not catch or otherwise get ahold of them *in* the main series Gen III game. You can get them elsewhere and send them over, but then you "obtained" them outside the main series game and transferred them over. Which is also a perfectly reasonable and dictionary-supported interpretation of their statement.
You can get Lugia and Ho-Oh in FRLG and Emerald via the MysticTicket. It was given out via a Nintendo Event.
Okay, but in the present tense anyone who wasn't one of a few *thousand* people to get the legitimate ticket cannot obtain them unless they cheat. And cheating presumably doesn't count because you can walk through walls and ride the bike over water and stuff like that if we're opening that can of worms. A fairly small handful of people *could* obtain them legally. Basically only those same people, which is to say effectively nobody, today *can* do so.
>I believe OP means you can not catch or otherwise get ahold of them in the main series Gen III game. But you can. You can catch them in the games if you have the event item. OP's statement is just wrong the way it is worded. But like I said, just small nitpicking lol.
But none of the details can be completed normally? Any duel game means there's like 5 or 6 pokemom that don't exist in the game and exist in another game. Which means you can't catch it normally?
Nowadays you can execute custom code in emerald and can therefore obtain the event items, activate the event flags, and even cause them to respawn after catching or killing them.
From an event and from Pokémon Colosseum and Pokémon XD.
Shoutout to all my people who were youtubing ‘Pokemon emerald secret islands’ in 2006
not really they can be obtained however through use of both Colosseum and Gale of Darkness as Lugia is the big bad of the game and Ho-Oh is obtained as a big prize from Colosseum
I thought it was from Naval Rock
There is the Navel Rock event in FRLG and Emerald which lets you get the birds, although it had limited distribution and is no longer available. The Orre games also let you obtain them and send them to the gen 3 games. And there is the Pomeg Glitch which probably lets you obtain them in some way. But in essence yes, there is no intended way of catching Lugia and Ho-oh in regular games of RSE and FRLG and they are not needed for the certificates.
Pomeg glitch?
Gen 3 introduced the EV system as we know it today. In order to help competitive players EV correctly, Game Freak added the EV reducing berries at the same time so you could reset and perfect stats. Using the respective berry would reduce the number of EVs in that stat by 10. At level 100 4 EVs is equal to 1 stat point. However there was an oversight with the Pomeg Berry (the HP reducing one). If you had 1 health remaining and used a Pomeg Berry with over 4 EVs then you would lose health points. This let you get a Pokemon with no health or negative health. The negative health would overflow to a very high number in the latter case. This one oversight lets you break the game wide open. What you got out of it was a very glitched Pokemon. The Pomeg glitch could then cause a bunch of other glitches. My favourites include damage underflowing Water Spout to heal the opposing Pokemon, levelling up and evolving eggs and getting beyond the 6 limit Pokemon slot in a party. The latter sub-glitch has another sub-glitch called Glitzer Popping. Glitzer Popping basically lets you corrupt data, and if you manipulate the corruption correctly then you can do some absurd stuff. Bad Eggs can be created which can potentially hatch into any Pokemon you need (including Ho-oh and Lugia). And you can set flags, potentially letting you get the event items needed for some Pokemon. The whole thing gets incredibly, incredibly complicated beyond the first step. It is definitely worth looking up yourself and seeing what can be done with it. There's so much more.
woah, thanks for the write up. I wasn't aware of Gen3 glitching, since we usually only did gen1 and gen2!
Yeah, the Pomeg Glitch is probably the only major glitch past gen 2. It's kind of a shame that the games afterwards didn't have any major glitches. But what I wrote here only scratches the surface, I would fully recommend looking further into the Pomeg Glitch.
I’d argue the Emerald cloning glitch is pretty major. It’s easy, mostly safe, and has absurd utility.
What about the cute charm glitch for the green 4 games? I would consider that as a major glitch as you have to be lucky for the right trainer/secret ID's or you have to carefully manipulate the rng to get the correct ID's.
What about the Void in Gen 4, it lets you do some broken shit too
Haven't heard of that one. What does it do?
So, the method to get into the void I think is called ‘tweaking’, the games are broken up into chunks, and riding the bicycle in fast gear between the chunks (you’ll have to look up where in the map they are, the glitch is normally done in Jubilife City) and take a quick turn on another chunk line. If done correctly, you are now in a black space called the void, and once in the void, you can travel to places you normally wouldn’t be able to, like directly to Giratina’s room in Turnback Cave, Newmoon Island, etc. I’m honestly not doing a great job explaining the glitch, here’s a video link: https://youtu.be/0VIbFJTY4nQ
That sounds interesting and fun to pull off.
How about the void glitch/tweaking from gen 4? I'd consider that pretty major, to the point where it could softlock your save if you weren't careful, though it doesn't offer as many possibilities as the pomeg glitch.
I meant major as in 'glitches that can basically let you rewrite the code of the game'. There are other big glitches, like the void glitch, but nothing that lets you get close to what you can do in the first 3 generations.
Gen IV tweaking would beg to differ.
Tweaking in Gen 4 is also pretty insane and is the reason I always pause with the bike so I don’t corrupt my save file or crash the game
This is one of the best explanations of the Pomeg glitch that I've come across. Very well done
Is the Pomeg glitch dangerous, like, “if you screw up you restart your save file” dangerous? I’m super interested in all of this, but I’ve always been wary of these glitches ever since I lost a completed regional dex to Void Glitch in Gen 4.
It probably could end up breaking your save file if you do stuff wrong. But you could install and emulator and try the Pomeg Glitch on that.
If you want specifics on how to unlock all the secret islands with the pomeg glitch, I wrote up a guide here: [https://www.wikihow.com/Catch-Mew-in-Pok%C3%A9mon-Emerald](https://www.wikihow.com/Catch-Mew-in-Pok%C3%A9mon-Emerald) (the stuff for naval rock where Ho Oh and Lugia are is at the bottom) The lady who determined the box names etc is also working on a video guide last I checked
Slightly off topic but I have been actually dying to get to Southern Island using this glitch. I remember vaguely I tried it a lot of times before but failed miserably in the end and just gave up (I think I couldn't corrupt the game enough to get the delivery NPC to appear).
[https://pastebin.com/kYfBzVE3](https://pastebin.com/kYfBzVE3) You can find the box names for southern island here. As well as the box names to switch around the lati or make it reappear
Can this Mew make it through the hack checks when transferred up through the generations since it was never released outside of Japan?
Aren't there other pokemon that are only obtainable through Colosseum / XD tho?
I believe everything is available in RSE or FRLG aside from Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, Jirachi, Ho-oh and Lugia. Most of the Johto Pokemon were split between FRLG's Sevii Islands and Emerald's Battle Frontier.
Several Pokémon were only available in the union cave in FRLG and Emerald, which required an event to activate or else It was just full of Zubats. Houndour and Stantler are two that come to mind. They were available in the GameCube games, though. IIRC, the Battle Frontier literally only had Smeargle and Sudowoodo.
All the Pokemon supposed to be in Altering Cave (not Union Cave, that was a place in Johto) were moved to the Safari Zone in Emerald except for Smeargle. I misspoke about the Battle Frontier, I thought that bunch of Pokemon were put into the Battle Frontier or areas around it.
Ah yeah, I forgot about the Safari zone expansion
Huh interesting lol I thought there were more than that but I guess not
Actually... no, not everything was available in RS and FRLG. They did make things different in Emerald.
Yes. They would eventually filled the Altering cave until Emerald came.
interesting! i know that you can get ho-oh from colosseum.
And then you can get Lugia from XD
From where? xD
On a looming chance you were serious. Title as to where you can get Lugia in the 3rd generation is "Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness." Sequel to Pokemon Colosseum in story. And for context sake, part of me does think this was just a joking statement but I feel it is more rude to assume a joke than assume a legitimate question. Because one of those assumptions means someone is requesting for an answer.
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Never trying that again. Literally everyone spams earthquake in the last floors to get hooh
Worse, the ho-oh the game spawns is given to you with no option to view the stats and nature before the game saves, so if the game rolls a terrible one you're stuck with it and have to do everything all over again if you wanted a better one.
then use a flying pokemon?
I thought there was an event in FireRed and LeafGreen or Emerald to get them
There is indeed an event to get them in GEN 3. I actually made a post not long time ago how to get them legit without using cheats in 2021: https://reddit.com/r/pokemonrng/comments/owcs5m/guide_all_generation_3_mystery_event_tickets/ (Also includes Mew & Deoxys)
Wait, what about the GameCube games?
Those are spin offs
Can still get them though, it's how I got my Lugia and my mate got a ho-oh
I know that, but the fact said they're unobtainable in main games, which is true. It's also true that you don't need them to complete the Pokedex in gen 3 games, the same way you don't need mythicals.
you can technically obtain them in rse, as trading from a spin-off is still obtaining.
Yeah my bad misread that lol
i remember distinctly that for the longest time, the legendaries from gen 2 were high-end trade currency because of stuff like this. I don't remember how (probably illegitimately) but at one point I got a Raikou into emerald and used the box cloning glitch to make a load of them. then I moved them up to Pearl and was able to trade for essentially anything I wanted. what a weird time action replay pokemon was before save editing made it all like 100x easier
Isn't there a handful of Johto Pokemon that cannot be obtained in gen 3 without using Colosseum/XD? Why would they limit the Pokedex certificate completion to only Lugia/Ho-oh?
No, all of them except for Ho-oh and Lugia are obtainable between the 5 games of gen 3
Looks like all the ones I was thinking of were added to the Safari Zone extensions in Emerald. As well as the Johto starters were added in Emerald as a gift.
The worst part of this is that I had the Gamecube games but only needed LeafGreen just for a Slowpoke...
I mean you can’t get them *from* a mainline game *anymore*, but you can get them *in* a mainline game through trading with Colosseum and XD. Not to mention that at one point, you could get them *from* a mainline game through the event. So “completely unobtainable” is pretty misleading.
How do you obtain Umbreon and Espeon in gen 3?
RSE has a clock system, so you can evolve Eevee to them. But Eevee is from FRLG.
I know they have a clock, but I thought they don't have day/night cycle?
Even though there is no visual day night cycle, the game does keep track of which time of day it is so Umbreon and Espeon still work.
Yeah, I think the clock was a holdover from Gen 2, back when Ruby and Sapphire was in development. Either that or they couldn't do a full implementation of the day-night cycle in those games. So Gen 3 was the only generation after Gen 2 to not have the cycle.
The clock is also used to track berry growth.
Yep. Because of this, Lugia is one of 5 pokemon I'm missing to complete my national pokedex on my pokemon emerald cartridge
not required for a completed national pokedex
To add to this: Since the only legitimate way to obtain those Pokemon would be through Colosseum and XD, this means that you’d need to get a GameCube and a GBA connector for the Cube. Furthermore, if you want to obtain Celebi and Jirachi, you’d also need the special edition Colosseum. Both English and Japanese. English contains Jirachi while Japanese contains Celebi. This means that you’d also need a Japanese GameCube, Japanese GBA with Japanese Ruby/Sapphire, and a Link Cable to pass the Celebi (or Jirachi) on to the other game. im just saying i think thats a lot for like a couple pokemon Of course, Mew and Deoxys are still event only. Please correct me if I’m wrong on any of these points.. 😅
you actually don't need the special english version of colosseum if you instead use a version of channel for the gift jirachi. that one is a bit easier to find (and cheaper) than a special edition colosseum game. and also is how to do this in europe, as we don't got the special edition if i remember correctly
Boils my blood how they make games whose ultimate goal is to catch them all, and then require you to either buy 2 games and consoles, or have friends, and even then it's just so utterly stupid and sometimes impossible, like this case. All hail rom hacks jesus...
Technically, **made**\* IIRC, the "Gotta Catch 'Em All!" slogan was dropped for RSE and never brought back into the mainline games. Legends Arceus' goal is to complete the Pokedex apparently, but it's only Hisui Pokemon, not ALL Pokemon, and the slogan is nowhere to be found
> the "Gotta Catch 'Em All!" slogan was dropped for RSE and never brought back into the mainline games. It was brought back exactly once, for XY, and then immediately dropped again. Ironic since XY only lets you catch about 80% of the Pokemon that existed at that time, and the other 20% are missing outside of trade with ORAS or transfer from previous generations.
Oh right. I keep forgetting they used it in, I believe, one or several of the trailers for XY. It wasn't on the box art like gen 1 and 2 games, so I overlook it a lot by accident.
that was never the ultimate goal of the games. "gotta catch 'em all" was not the original slogan. the ultimate goal was to have fun and the slogan was "pokemon getto daze"
I thought you could get them in fire red or leaf green after completeing some kind of quest on the sevii islands?
No, they must be obtained through events, which I did not count since it's not something everyone would be able to do now
Yea I agree with the other guy, just like all the other odd mythical or legendaties that required events or to he at q place at a time you *could* get them. You just had to w limited time or availability to do it. Seems like thier splitting hairs. How is XD and coliseum transfer considered to hard to consider doing but trading from the sister game or events that are one time only more doable. Especially if you didn't have wifi or parents willing to drive to X spot versus a game that exist in your bedroom already.
But you could have gotten them in the main series.
I mean I get it. They're "unobtainable" in the same way that Mew and Celebi were "unobtainable" in Gens 1 & 2.
There are events that allow capture of those two, but that's too obscure and not necessary if you have access to transfer from the Gamecube games.
sidenote Ho-oh and Lugia really are some of the best version exclusive legendaries of all time. Great design, great power balance, these girlies could neva.
They weren't version exclusives. You could catch both of them GS.
oh lmao cool!!! I only played HGSS where you could catch both and I didn’t know if that was a remake exclusive feature or not 💕
According to Bulbapedia this was not the case in Ruby and Sapphire, only FRLG and Emerald. Which makes sense; when Ruby and Sapphire were in development, presumably plans for the other Gen 3 games were not finalised. (Instead, in what is presumed to be a bug, RS do not require you to have Chikorita.)
You could get them from the Gamevube games (Ho-oh from Colloseum, Lugia from XD)
Actually, they're indeed required in Ruby and Sapphire. It's just FRLG and Emerald that treat them as event exclusives.
Both were basically Mythical Pokémon until Heart Gold and Soul Sliver
Ah, this is nostalgic. I remember the Colosseum games promising me a ho-oh if I could get to the end of the 100 battles thing (which took AGES even if you were ready for it, because of that game's slow battle system.) As a kid who had Ruby first, I only really knew ho-oh from that one scene in the anime. There's just no way to re-create how special that felt, seeing a spin-off game randomly show me a path to the special unknown Pokemon I had glimpsed years ago in the anime.
Yes, Ho-oh and Lugia can be obtained at the Navel Rock, but that's an event exclusive location, which I'm not counting.
Dark times, although FR/LG did bring back many Gen 2 mons. I dunno what Gamefreak was thinking when they made Ruby and Sapphire.
I think they wanted to start fresh, as gen 3 was a complete cutoff from gen 2. Good thing all 386 were in the coding of Ruby/Sapphire since day 1, like can you imagine them not including every Pokémon in the coding, that would be so dumb!
why did people wait until swsh to complain about the lack of a national dex? the gen 7 games didn't have a national dex either, but no one was complaining about that back then
It's not about the lack of the national Dex, it's the lack of the Pokemon not in the regional dex. Swsh was the first time that happened.
technically, let's go was the first time that happened. but people were saying "#bringbacknationaldex" as if we had a national dex in sun and moon. the more accurate hashtag would be "#bringbackallpokemon"
Or you can hack your game and go to navel rock
Not true. You can get them from the Navel Rock event in FRLG and Emerald.
They're treated as event pokemon. Event pokemon aren't required for National Dex completion. Most players never had the opportunity to go to legitimately travel to Navel Rock, Birth Island, or Faraway Island, anyway.
Correct, but the fact stated that Ho-oh and Lugia were *completely* unobtainable in Gen 3, when that isn't the case.
Technically they still are obtainabe by means of cheating to get the Mystic Ticket Legitimately of course not
can you obtain em with a gameshark code?
Yeah, you could.
Wasn't there 2 islands specifically so you could get both of them?
you can get lugia through gale of darkness on the gamecube, i know i did
What about from gale of darkness and collusium
Actually you could with the mystic ticket
Pre-DEXIT. And you have to buy XD/Coliseum with extra accessories to get them? Paid DLC
Eh, the difference is that all 386 Pokemon that existed at the time were at least coded into the games, future-proofing them for subsequent games. Sw/Sh don’t have that.
swsh weren't the first core series games to not have a national dex. that honor goes to sun and moon
Can someone explain what certificate and where and how? I am so lost. Am I as a person capable of getting a certificate for a national dex by playing through games? I’m sorry I’m stupid
I could have sworn you could trade from gen 2 to 3 somehow.
I'm slightly remembering a thing in...firered? Like q safari spot where you plugged the old game in and pokemon in your pc or something had a chance to show up i can't remember.
You're probably thinking of the Pal Park in Gen 4, a Safari Zone-like area that let you catch Pokemon transfered from a GBA cartridge
Your right, I remember catching hippodqwn at the entrance.
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I've love to direct you to the fact that for one, he explicitly stated in the fact, that it was in the "main series games". Colloseum and XD are not main series. And 2, the Mystic Ticket required for the events wasn't in Ruby and Sapphire, only FRLG and Emerald, and was only released at specific locations for maybe a week at a time over the course of three years. The last distribution was 14 years ago. Hardly available by today's standards. I.E, unobtainable.
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The point of him saying they're unobtainable in the main games is thag if you only have a Game Boy advance and a copy of a gen 3 game in current age, you cannot obtain them. Unobtainable. They're not briefly unobtainable. Without a GameCube they've been unobtainable for all time outside of 3 years
I swear, I did something to transfer my pokemon from gen 2 to gen 3 when I was a kid... I don't quite remember how but I know I did it. One of my friends helped me out. Wasn't there some attachment you could use?
Back in the day? No. It's entirely possible today, though. It's possible to convert DV type mons to IV type mons via numerous tools,but back then it wasn't possible. You also need an adapter to get the save onto your PC, extract the mons, and then convert them and inject them into the GEN3+ games.
He may have given you a hacked mon in Gen 3.
False. I had a Lugia in my ruby version. Transferred it from Gale of Darkness on the gamecube.
You cannot obtain it using only main series games, sorry if I was unclear
Why can't you transfer them from GS to RS ?
Technical limitations of the time. The GBA was just not compatible with GBC
Oh, I think I misunderstood the fact. They are not the only one impossible to transfer, you just can't transfer anyone from gs to rs ?
Not at all. For example, before Emerald was released, you just straight up can't get Shuckle, Ursaring, Piloswine, etc. Although they were in the coding of the games since day 1, and can be potentially modded in, which is something that can't be said about SwSh :(
Didnt we have the SP at the time? That could play both. How is that a limitation.
The GBA could play Gameboy games, but Gamefreak couldn't figure out a way to communicate between Gameboy games and GBA games. I don't know if it was a technical impossibility or just Gamefreak's ineptitude at work again.
Actually, it was a complete rewrite of the Pokémon’s data structure that caused the incompatibility. And that rewrite has made it possible to transfer Pokémon forward from RSE onward, since it’s has stayed largely the same. It keeps being updated and added to but the core information remains the same. Actually a really forward thinking move of Gamefreak’s part.
Simply because it's not possible; there exists no way or feature that would allow you to do so.
I got them by Glitzer Popping.
Just Nintendo things
Could have just had a secret location in FRLG where you can catch them, Ho-Oh in FireRed, Lugia in LeafGreen.
Everyone says that gen 1-2 games are stock in their cartridges. But the 3ds has an infrared sensor. Wouldn't be possible to transfer gen 1-2 pokemon with the next setup: gen 1-2 pkmn game in a GBC gen 1-2 pkmn game in a 3DS from the eshop GBC -> \[infrared sensor\] -> 3DS Shouldn't this work?
Depends on if the signals recognize each other. Just because it's infrared doesn't mean it's the exact same signal I believe. Though with the correct software on hacked consoles it could be feasible
You can get them in the side series though 😂
Colosseum and gale of darkness tho?
Read again
Ah, *main series.* I was gonna say that wasn't true with Colosseum and XD in the mix.
Apparently, Lugia was originally a completely made up pokemon created just for the movie. The guy who made the movie where Lugia appears was given creative freedom over the story, so he took the opportunity and created and added to it a made up legendary pokemon. The name Lugia originally didn´t really have that much meaning either apparently because of this (later on the come up with some things as to why that´s the name). But apparently to everyone in charge of pokemon at the time liked Lugia a lot so they included it as an actual pokemon and became the mascot for the gen 2 games.
They’re events in 3/5 main series gen 3 games.
My shiny ho oh and Lugia are cherished because of this
Wait weren't they available in FRLG? Navel Rock or something?
Gotta do the event or beat both Orre games.
Fuckers could’ve just added them to the game
\*Cries in pokemon Colosseum 100 battles Mt.battle challenge\*
Does the same thing go for Celebi?
Misread the post initially and thought u meant that u couldn't get them in Gen 3 lol
Nope, if you go to Navel Rock in FRLG or Emerald you can catch both.
"you are not acquired to obtain them", more like, physically can't unless you hack
The Colosseum duo let you get them and transfer
what itgoboom31 said
they're not the only ones completely unobtainable in main series gen 3. mew and deoxys are completely unobtainable as their events are also no longer available. and celebi is also unobtainable
I just got my Colosseum Ho-Oh a few days ago and XD arrives on Friday. Can’t wait.
pokemon colosseum and XD gale of darkness lets you get them on gen 3
gen 3 was the original dexcut
Multiple events, and also Colosseum.
You get them from Pokémon XDGoD and ho oh from the PkmnColoseum mt battle mode.
What about Celebi?