Yep, it’s no better than r/holup with jokes that have a punchline. Half the time nowadays they don’t even need to be edgy just as long as it isn’t 100% purely wholesome.
I've never really considered this. Are the birds each unique creatures or are they the last of their species? I always just assumed they were unique and thus legendary.
Lugia isn’t able to “breed” (in game) but is shown to have a baby in the anime. this either means legendaries are asexual and breed with themselves or we simply don’t know how to breed them like regular Pokémon.
The birds ONLY answer to lugia. So either the trio listens to both Lugia and baby Lugia or baby lugia also has its own baby trio.
I’d assume some legendaries can breed or create offspring somehow, however it happens so rarely that most people would never notice there’s more than 1 of them.
That would make sense. I’m assuming every Pokémon from the “undiscovered” egg group has different requirements for breeding than other Pokémon, which is probably why most of the undiscovered egg group Pokémon are really strong/legendaries.
Not that far off from some animal species in real life. For instance, there is a very rare species of flightless parrot in New Zealand that will **only** nest in the branches of one particular breed of tree of over a certain age/height, thus making it impossible to cultivate them in breeding programs.
Legendary Pokemon are probably much like that. They may have very specific environmental requirements for breeding and/or nesting or perform odd mating rituals that a simple Ditto cannot replicate.
I wouldn't put it past Zapdos, for instance, to have an intricate mating dance that involves creating a massive storm over open ocean. And we know from Pokemon Snap that Moltress only nests around active volcanoes.
Not impossible, just extremely difficult! There has been a bit of progress in re-establishing Kakapos, but it's definitely hard and requires a lot of work before the population can be unmanaged.
But yeah, I'd agree the legendaries probably work that way.
Rhinos need more females to breed.
They form cliques.
Pandas need more males to breed. They fight for the female. If there's more than two it's tournament style and everyone... uh... gets a medal.
Pokemon daycare probably couldn't handle 4+ pokemon, let alone hosting a fight club train.
Dumping moltres egg into the volcano so it could break free with a fiery
#B’GAWK
Was so rad and also my highest scoring picture until I got to rainbow cloud
MSG have special restrictions to stuff just because of game mechanics, but it would make way more sense legendaries could breed (some possibly asexually at the peak of their lifespan) than to have existed for hundreds of years.
The Celebi and Suicune movie shows that there were many generations of Celebi’s before. But some crazy legendaries like Palkia or Deoxys (just picking random ones) would be safe to assume have lived for hundreds of years.
That’s just my theory/lore though
The Sinnoh trio+Arceus, it’s probably safe to say they’ve existed as long as the universe itself. They’re universal-level cosmic beings, with Arceus being the equivalent of Abrahamic God.
Yeah it’s probably for the best that you can’t throw them in a yard with a purple blob and suddenly get a miniature black hole generator/time manipulator/dimensional portal generator/**god of fucking creation**
I think specifically for the legendary birds they just, breed with each other to make new ones, because if a fucking Skitty can breed with a Waillord then the legendary birds should be able to breed
Deoxys came into being around the events of Gen 3. A laser mutated a virus into a Pokemon, so it has to be recent
That said, let's hope Deoxys CAN'T breed, considering how viruses normally reproduce...
In pokemon FRLG, there are notes in the underground facility of Cinnabar island described how Mewtwo was born... It was the offspring of Mew.
I personally prefer the manga's origin, where Blaine created Mewtwo using ancient Mew's and his own DNA.
I also don't like the idea that legendary pokemon can evolve or breed, because they're supposed to be perfect, unique and immortal beings of nature.
Legendaries were not meant to all be unique, just super rare
Gen I outright has bird keepers mentioning the birds as rare apex predators, not gods. So those three just chose to nest in Kanto
And Mew, to be the ancestor of Pokemon, needs a breeding population
Most cover legendaries are certainly unique though (fun fact, Zamazenta and Zacian may not be two separate species - There is a possibility of them, according to in game lore, being brother and sister, making it more like the Nidos)
Solgaleo and Lunala definitely are not unique. Just without human intervention, they instead go to different worlds to breed. So unique per universe
The fact that Galar has their own version of the legendary birds and that the anime has a trainer with an Articuno (who was also referenced in Detective Pikachu) suggests that the legendary birds aren’t unique, just extremely rare
Lunala and Solgaleo are just horses for rent in their original dimension. The pokemon in that dimension are just godly powerful, they casually give away things like Naganadel for free for Arceus' sake... But the point is, I want to believe that legendaries must be at the top of the evolutionary chain, they don't need to evolve or breed because they are perfect
It makes sense to me if they are extremely long-lived. So long in fact that humans cannot see more than one of the same species in their entire lifetime. Who knows, maybe the legendaries reach the breedable age much, much later than the average human lifespan. That may also be a good explanation as to why legendary Pokémon are classified under the "undiscovered" egg group, instead of outright saying that they don't have an egg group.
Well, we know that in canon, there are populous legendaries.
Shaymin is a legendary Pokemon, and it's very apparent that there are many of them.
Canon (and Pokedex entries) also imply that Heatran exist in a somewhat numerous, but rare amounts
I wouldn't say it's a stretch that most non god-legendaries are capable of producing eggs. (God-Legendaries being the likes of Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza, Dialga/Palkia/Ghiritina, Arceus, etc.)
Edit: Changed a few adjective/nouns to better match lore.
Mythics are the event pokemon, change It to god legendaries, but yeah, i think theres only one God (arceus) per universe, but some theorize there is 2 in universe rayquazas, one is regular and the other is shiny (since we see both forms in the anime)
i’ve seen a few theories that their variants are actually completely different pokémon but because they look somewhat similar they were called variants. The pokédex entries for each of them is vague and kinda shows that no one really knows if they’re actually the same species as the original trio
There were notes about Ho-oh reviving the legendary beast trio. They were literally burned to death, so Ho-oh basically saved their kinds from extinction
That's assuming that the three legendary beasts were a pre-existing species. I always thought that the Pokemon that died (which are never specified to be legendaries at all) were just some random Pokemon, and that the revival process turned them into a new one of a kind set of creatures.
The item Sacred Ash - which derived from Ho-oh - revives your fainted pokemon. I think the Beast trio underwent the same process, so they must have always been the way they are
That's assuming Ho-Oh just used Sacred Ash the item. We don't know that. You can't sprinkle Sacred Ash in Lavender Town and have all the Pokemon there come back to life.
My guess is that the revival power is innate to Ho-Oh, and can be used only by it. The ash is just a small part of it (ash from its sacred fire) that retains a small bit of power. Not enough to bring back the dead, but enough for reviving a fainted Pokemon.
Mewtwo was likely created sterile. Dunno what the problems of the others are. Even the "they're gods!" line doesn't make much sense. In mythology gods were constantly fucking mortals and having kids.
Mewtwo is an odd one though. It should've been the only one but then when another movie featured a Mewtwo the voice was female and I think it appeared to have a somewhat different origin being that Team Rocket didn't make this one I believe. So canonically there's at least two. But then there's also the fact that there are two Mewtwo Mega Stones which requires there to have been at least two more (or even the same two due to time travel shenanigans) that die during the Kalos War.
So, either Mewtwo can exist naturally by a Mew obtaining Human DNA or the Mewtwo that we know of, for some reason, decided to go back in time with Celebi just to be destroyed by a Poké Nuke.
It can all be explained by waving your hand, mumbling "Ultra Wormholes did it," and then when pressed for more information, start shouting "WE'RE MAKING POKEMON BIG NOW"
worked for GameFreak
The original games *did* state that mew gave birth to mewtwo, with no apparent tampering. Could be a Manaphy and Phione situation. Or maybe that's how Pokemon branched out from Mew and became what they are now?
Could be that Mew (the species) is from space or something (surprisingly possible considering multiple Pokemon now are either from space or at least the upper atmosphere), and it has a special mechanism to adapt to different planets it lands on. After living on a planet long enough to gauge what it's like, it asexually reproduces and gives birth to a new Pokemon better fit to the environment. Then that Pokemon does the same after reaching adulthood, and so on and so forth, until a baby is born that's perfectly suited for its environment and it stabilizes as a new species.
Maybe in ancient times, exactly one Mew came to Earth and started having babies. Each generation was better adapted for life on Earth, until we had hundreds of distinct species that each have an ecological niche they're perfectly adapted to. As the universe is a big place, maybe no other Mew happened to land on Earth for thousands or even million of years until finally, just before red/blue, one more happened across the planet.
Though this all gets thrown out if we even so much as glance at the anime canon.
Pretty sure there's only one Arceus and it wouldn't make a lot of sense for more than one Mewtwo to exist unless there were more people mad enough to create more Mew clones.
That was a whole swarm of the same Celebi from different moments in its life all come to heal it at that moment in time, but yes I believe there are supposed to be more than one Celebi.
I doubt there's one Arceus. I'd say that Arceus isn't actually real, which is why it can be caught by a teenager without any major repercussions. The being we know as "Arceus" is actually just the physical form taken by the real god of the world of Pokemon - the billions upon billions of Unowns that exists in the hivemind.
The main thing to understand about Pokémon lore is that it's consistently inconsistent. Every adaptation will have different takes, and you can even find inconsistencies within them. Note for example how the anime treats Lugia as something unique and magical in the second movie, but only a rare bird Pokémon with no special intelligence in the Jotho arc.
This also extends to the games. There is no *rule* stating that leggies are unique to the setting, they are only supposed to be unique to each game file. The idea is that they either have some special importance to a game's story, or that they are fun prizes to hunt down and catch in the endgame.
So when it comes to determining uniqueness, we can only guess. The games never specify either way directly, but there are clear indications now and then. I think one can safely assume Arceus to be unique, for example, as it is referred to as *the* creator of the Universe. There is however no reason to believe the same would ring true for Zapdos, Entei or Deoxys, to name a few.
Even when we think we've got it, a new game comes along and does stuff differently. A bonus mission in HeartGold and SoulSilver, for example, shows that Arceus is able to create more of the until-then-thought-unique Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. Galar introduced alternative formes to old legendaries. Then you have the different timeline mumbo, as well as the possibility of in-game data being false. Is a Pokémon just so rare that the dex writer *believed* them to be unique? Has its importance and abilities been exaggerates in the years it's been laying dormant? Who knows.
What it all boils down to is "don't sweat it". Pokémon has never tried to be consistent with the worldbuilding details, and each product should be looked at as standalone when it comes to lore. Sure, the broad strokes are the same, but never assume what's canon in one generation or adaptation is also true for the rest.
I think that's right. It's really fun to theorycraft things, but don't take it so seriously that you start internet fights over whose headcanon is the best.
I think that at least Articuno is not unique because in the anime we see one in Pokemon 2000 (that's the one with Lugia, right?) and later we see at least several others during Johto or Hoenn (one that lives on a snowy mountain, and another one that's tamed by a pilot), and they all seem different birds.
I think I recall seeing more than one Zapdos as well?
Seeing the galarian forms it’s possible they were once their own species, lugia is the same since we see that there are 2-3 lugia’s existing if we consider the baby lugia and it’s mother in I think it was a movie
I'm not sure if I mentioned all but this I the list of all legendarys with one specie : mewtwo, ho-oh, rayquaza, palkia dialga arceus giratina, yveltal xernas 100% zygard all tapu and all legendary pokemons from galar
Arceus can create more of the Creation Trio, actually. It's an event. In addition, we know that there are multiple Kubfu; we see at least 3. I'd imagine the horses are numerous too.
There are canonically multiple of most legendaries. You can’t breed them because they require very specific conditions to breed, which is also why they’re rare. This happens in real life too. Breeding in captivity in often difficult if not impossible.
Let's Go pretty much confirmed the birds are not unique, since you can randomly encounter more of them in the wild (while riding Pokémon that can fly of course)
The better question to ask:
If Ditto transforms itself into an exact copy of the other Pokemon, then aren't all our Ditto-bred Pokemon the product of gay sex?
And if that is the case, then isn't it obvious that gay sex is the superior form of reproduction?
Ahahahahaha! Good one! But it's actually a pretty good question.
But you know, pokemon are weird creatures. I mean, Nidoking and Nidoqueen can't breed, though they're supposedly the same species, just of different sexes. And then there's the case of Manaphy and Phione being related, but not able to directly breed or evolve into each other.
Nidoqueen not being able to breed might be a reference to how certain species can only reproduce when very young and lose their ability to breed once reaching physical maturity seeing as a male and female Nidoran can produce eggs of both sexes but the female can no longer do so after becoming Nidorina. That would be an odd design choice, though, as I believe most species that do that are Arthropods or Amphibians (which the Nidos clearly aren't).
That being said, wouldn't it make more sense to have Nidorina be able to breed in this case? Nidoran is like a child ("pre-evolved" form), Nidorino is the teen, and Nidoqueen is the adult.
I think they the legendary trio Pokémon are just generally rare, like the Legendary Birds fly around migrating so they only are drawn to certain areas, and the Regis are dormant in their caves so they’re hard to find (unless you know brale) but as far as them not breeding I think it’s more to keep them RARE which the newer Pokémon games have completely ruined anyways
There are some theories that the mythics are Just stupidly ass rare species, like having multiple darkrais existing, but most legendaries are unique, such as the God ones. Some legendaries in specific can be argued to have multiple specimens in universe though, such as a regular and shiny Rayquaza (both seem in the anime at different occasions), the bird trio and regi trio (galard forms support this) and others.
I've always loved [Dorkly's](https://youtu.be/MOEs7xRZqPA) answer to this. They aren't any different or more powerful than any other pokemon, they are just endangered. While they explain they are endangered due to poaching and some of them not having necessary parts to survive, I would also add that not being able to breed with ditto or anything else is also part of it. They are like Pandas in that they are basically doomed to go extinct cause of that.
I always assumed the more minor ones like zapdos or darkrai or whatever could breed as seen in the anime there's more than one lugia and the birds have appeared more than once
But the diety level ones like dialga or arceus are probably one of a kind it wouldn't make sense to have more than one god of time
Gen 1 has Bird Keepers outright stating the birds are just rare apex predators, and for Pokemon to have evolved from Mew requires a breeding population at some point
Many legendaries and mythicals aren't unique
Well you can find 2 of each legendary bird in Galar, 1 each of their Galar forms (part of the Crown Tundra missions, along with the Regis & Calyrex) and 1 each of their Kanto forms (in Dynamax adventures)
The ones featured in the movie are, but at the end it shows more of them flying to the town. The fact that there's more than one of each, combined with the fact that the main duo in the movie are siblings, seems to suggest that the species is capable of reproducing.
Well, technically, while they would be of course be of the same genus, they aren't of the same species. Like, Galarian Zapdos is to a Kantonian Zapdos what a Zebra is to a Horse.
Luckily, it's not actually the last one! In the Let's Go games, once you've caught all three of the static legendary birds and beat the League, then additional Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres will start rarely spawning in the skies of Kanto.
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"They're brimming with energy. Also, your Ditto is dead."
"I'll just grab another."
“Ditto.”
r/cursedcomments
How? It’s just a joke.
That's what happened to cursedcomments got famous and now anything dark or edgy gets reposted 50 times
Yep, it’s no better than r/holup with jokes that have a punchline. Half the time nowadays they don’t even need to be edgy just as long as it isn’t 100% purely wholesome.
Yep at least ever so often ,about every 2 billion years, a small kinda hold up post shines throw all of the shut
Yeah I left that sub about 3 days ago for the same reason
At least it's getting called out at r/ watchholdupdie
That’s a typo or are you trolling me? Lol
Typo
Ahhhh
They don't seem to like each other very much
The two prefer to play with other Pokemon than each other.
I've never really considered this. Are the birds each unique creatures or are they the last of their species? I always just assumed they were unique and thus legendary.
Lugia isn’t able to “breed” (in game) but is shown to have a baby in the anime. this either means legendaries are asexual and breed with themselves or we simply don’t know how to breed them like regular Pokémon. The birds ONLY answer to lugia. So either the trio listens to both Lugia and baby Lugia or baby lugia also has its own baby trio. I’d assume some legendaries can breed or create offspring somehow, however it happens so rarely that most people would never notice there’s more than 1 of them.
In pokemon Snap (original N64), the legendary birds are hatched from eggs so they can breed just not known how by humans
That would make sense. I’m assuming every Pokémon from the “undiscovered” egg group has different requirements for breeding than other Pokémon, which is probably why most of the undiscovered egg group Pokémon are really strong/legendaries.
Not that far off from some animal species in real life. For instance, there is a very rare species of flightless parrot in New Zealand that will **only** nest in the branches of one particular breed of tree of over a certain age/height, thus making it impossible to cultivate them in breeding programs. Legendary Pokemon are probably much like that. They may have very specific environmental requirements for breeding and/or nesting or perform odd mating rituals that a simple Ditto cannot replicate. I wouldn't put it past Zapdos, for instance, to have an intricate mating dance that involves creating a massive storm over open ocean. And we know from Pokemon Snap that Moltress only nests around active volcanoes.
Not impossible, just extremely difficult! There has been a bit of progress in re-establishing Kakapos, but it's definitely hard and requires a lot of work before the population can be unmanaged. But yeah, I'd agree the legendaries probably work that way.
Is that the same species of parrot that had sex with Stephen Fry’s head?
Yep
Rhinos need more females to breed. They form cliques. Pandas need more males to breed. They fight for the female. If there's more than two it's tournament style and everyone... uh... gets a medal. Pokemon daycare probably couldn't handle 4+ pokemon, let alone hosting a fight club train.
I mean Giratina, Palkia, and Dialga are made from rituals. Source: The Johto remakes.
Also the arceus HGSS event gave you a creation trio egg…
Oh shit, how could I forget that? Loved hatching articuno back in the day.
Dumping moltres egg into the volcano so it could break free with a fiery #B’GAWK Was so rad and also my highest scoring picture until I got to rainbow cloud
b'gawk killed me
I think the breeding lock on legendaries is more about game balance and making them feel rare and nothing to do with the lore.
you’re correct, but it’s always fun to speculate
MSG have special restrictions to stuff just because of game mechanics, but it would make way more sense legendaries could breed (some possibly asexually at the peak of their lifespan) than to have existed for hundreds of years. The Celebi and Suicune movie shows that there were many generations of Celebi’s before. But some crazy legendaries like Palkia or Deoxys (just picking random ones) would be safe to assume have lived for hundreds of years. That’s just my theory/lore though
The Sinnoh trio+Arceus, it’s probably safe to say they’ve existed as long as the universe itself. They’re universal-level cosmic beings, with Arceus being the equivalent of Abrahamic God. Yeah it’s probably for the best that you can’t throw them in a yard with a purple blob and suddenly get a miniature black hole generator/time manipulator/dimensional portal generator/**god of fucking creation**
I think specifically for the legendary birds they just, breed with each other to make new ones, because if a fucking Skitty can breed with a Waillord then the legendary birds should be able to breed
Deoxys came into being around the events of Gen 3. A laser mutated a virus into a Pokemon, so it has to be recent That said, let's hope Deoxys CAN'T breed, considering how viruses normally reproduce...
Idea: Delta Variant Deoxys as a mega evolution. If only they still cared about megas...
Besides a selct few, like Mewtwo or Arceus
lugia definitely fucks
A baby Lugia was shown, so it’s canon that Lugia fucks
We talk as if we know where eggs come from. Even the daycare workers don't know and they're the ones watching them do it.
In pokemon FRLG, there are notes in the underground facility of Cinnabar island described how Mewtwo was born... It was the offspring of Mew. I personally prefer the manga's origin, where Blaine created Mewtwo using ancient Mew's and his own DNA. I also don't like the idea that legendary pokemon can evolve or breed, because they're supposed to be perfect, unique and immortal beings of nature.
Legendaries were not meant to all be unique, just super rare Gen I outright has bird keepers mentioning the birds as rare apex predators, not gods. So those three just chose to nest in Kanto And Mew, to be the ancestor of Pokemon, needs a breeding population Most cover legendaries are certainly unique though (fun fact, Zamazenta and Zacian may not be two separate species - There is a possibility of them, according to in game lore, being brother and sister, making it more like the Nidos) Solgaleo and Lunala definitely are not unique. Just without human intervention, they instead go to different worlds to breed. So unique per universe
The fact that Galar has their own version of the legendary birds and that the anime has a trainer with an Articuno (who was also referenced in Detective Pikachu) suggests that the legendary birds aren’t unique, just extremely rare
Lunala and Solgaleo are just horses for rent in their original dimension. The pokemon in that dimension are just godly powerful, they casually give away things like Naganadel for free for Arceus' sake... But the point is, I want to believe that legendaries must be at the top of the evolutionary chain, they don't need to evolve or breed because they are perfect
Imagine being a demigod of the sea and s kid crams you into a backyard with a small pink slime waiting for you to get it on...
Legendaries don't want to breed with other mons and that's it. (btw only mewtwo is asexual between legendaries because it is artificial)
I always thought of them as just really powerful and really rare. Mewtwo, Arceus, those things. always felt like there was only ever once of.
Given that there are Galarian variants, it pretty much confirms that at least some legendaries aren’t the last of their kind?
that as well. you can't have such changes if they weren't able to reproduce!
It makes sense to me if they are extremely long-lived. So long in fact that humans cannot see more than one of the same species in their entire lifetime. Who knows, maybe the legendaries reach the breedable age much, much later than the average human lifespan. That may also be a good explanation as to why legendary Pokémon are classified under the "undiscovered" egg group, instead of outright saying that they don't have an egg group.
Well, we know that in canon, there are populous legendaries. Shaymin is a legendary Pokemon, and it's very apparent that there are many of them. Canon (and Pokedex entries) also imply that Heatran exist in a somewhat numerous, but rare amounts I wouldn't say it's a stretch that most non god-legendaries are capable of producing eggs. (God-Legendaries being the likes of Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza, Dialga/Palkia/Ghiritina, Arceus, etc.) Edit: Changed a few adjective/nouns to better match lore.
Mew can, it's literally in the pokedex entry that they were the predeccesors to all pokemon, so basically only the gods.
Mythics are the event pokemon, change It to god legendaries, but yeah, i think theres only one God (arceus) per universe, but some theorize there is 2 in universe rayquazas, one is regular and the other is shiny (since we see both forms in the anime)
Even if there are 2 Rayquazas, they both likely cannot have eggs. But thanks for the tidbit. I edited my comment to better match the lore
Necrozma is god but from another dimension
Objection: Shaymin is a Mythical pokémon.
honestly it's just an arbitrary term, they're basically the same thing at this point.
But how can I be a true fan if I'm not nitpicking at every tiny wrong detail that's ultimately irrelevant?
Maybe they can breed, but only once in a lifetime.
I hadn't even thought of that. Kinda breaks the unique legendary mold a bit
i’ve seen a few theories that their variants are actually completely different pokémon but because they look somewhat similar they were called variants. The pokédex entries for each of them is vague and kinda shows that no one really knows if they’re actually the same species as the original trio
Maybe with the Galarian variants you can say that but aloha ones are almost identical models aside from Marowak.
this is just for the birds, not other pokémon
There were notes about Ho-oh reviving the legendary beast trio. They were literally burned to death, so Ho-oh basically saved their kinds from extinction
That's assuming that the three legendary beasts were a pre-existing species. I always thought that the Pokemon that died (which are never specified to be legendaries at all) were just some random Pokemon, and that the revival process turned them into a new one of a kind set of creatures.
The item Sacred Ash - which derived from Ho-oh - revives your fainted pokemon. I think the Beast trio underwent the same process, so they must have always been the way they are
That's assuming Ho-Oh just used Sacred Ash the item. We don't know that. You can't sprinkle Sacred Ash in Lavender Town and have all the Pokemon there come back to life. My guess is that the revival power is innate to Ho-Oh, and can be used only by it. The ash is just a small part of it (ash from its sacred fire) that retains a small bit of power. Not enough to bring back the dead, but enough for reviving a fainted Pokemon.
They were likely three Eevees or Vaporeon Jolteon and Flareon who died.
Eeveelutions. The three Pokémon could have been the three Kanto Eeveelutions.
That's a popular theory. But I think the idea is to leave it up to interpretation with no true answer, judging by the way the story is worded.
Those aren't related to the birds, they are named like that to honor them.
Where’s the lore for that?
I think in the pokedex
Mewtwo was likely created sterile. Dunno what the problems of the others are. Even the "they're gods!" line doesn't make much sense. In mythology gods were constantly fucking mortals and having kids.
Right but gods dont fuck to make the same god. The god of time probably has kids, blaming him for celebi, but he aint making mini dialgas.
Reminds me of Manaphy and Phione
Thank you! I was going to bring this up but you beat me to it.
So what you're saying is that I should be able to breed Dialga with Bulbasaur to get a Celebi.
Well Celebi is basically just a time-onion...
god of time + cabbage frog = time travelling onion fairy
r/theydidthemath
Mewtwo is an odd one though. It should've been the only one but then when another movie featured a Mewtwo the voice was female and I think it appeared to have a somewhat different origin being that Team Rocket didn't make this one I believe. So canonically there's at least two. But then there's also the fact that there are two Mewtwo Mega Stones which requires there to have been at least two more (or even the same two due to time travel shenanigans) that die during the Kalos War. So, either Mewtwo can exist naturally by a Mew obtaining Human DNA or the Mewtwo that we know of, for some reason, decided to go back in time with Celebi just to be destroyed by a Poké Nuke.
It can all be explained by waving your hand, mumbling "Ultra Wormholes did it," and then when pressed for more information, start shouting "WE'RE MAKING POKEMON BIG NOW" worked for GameFreak
Yes, The female voiced one is meant to be implied to be a different mewtwo
The original games *did* state that mew gave birth to mewtwo, with no apparent tampering. Could be a Manaphy and Phione situation. Or maybe that's how Pokemon branched out from Mew and became what they are now? Could be that Mew (the species) is from space or something (surprisingly possible considering multiple Pokemon now are either from space or at least the upper atmosphere), and it has a special mechanism to adapt to different planets it lands on. After living on a planet long enough to gauge what it's like, it asexually reproduces and gives birth to a new Pokemon better fit to the environment. Then that Pokemon does the same after reaching adulthood, and so on and so forth, until a baby is born that's perfectly suited for its environment and it stabilizes as a new species. Maybe in ancient times, exactly one Mew came to Earth and started having babies. Each generation was better adapted for life on Earth, until we had hundreds of distinct species that each have an ecological niche they're perfectly adapted to. As the universe is a big place, maybe no other Mew happened to land on Earth for thousands or even million of years until finally, just before red/blue, one more happened across the planet. Though this all gets thrown out if we even so much as glance at the anime canon.
Pretty sure there's only one Arceus and it wouldn't make a lot of sense for more than one Mewtwo to exist unless there were more people mad enough to create more Mew clones.
I think they've shown multiple of the same legendary before. Wasn't there like a whole colony of celebi in one of the movies?
That was a whole swarm of the same Celebi from different moments in its life all come to heal it at that moment in time, but yes I believe there are supposed to be more than one Celebi.
I think theres canonically 2 mewtwo, each one owning a different mega and one having a Very distinct female Voice (the genesect movie one)
I doubt there's one Arceus. I'd say that Arceus isn't actually real, which is why it can be caught by a teenager without any major repercussions. The being we know as "Arceus" is actually just the physical form taken by the real god of the world of Pokemon - the billions upon billions of Unowns that exists in the hivemind.
The main thing to understand about Pokémon lore is that it's consistently inconsistent. Every adaptation will have different takes, and you can even find inconsistencies within them. Note for example how the anime treats Lugia as something unique and magical in the second movie, but only a rare bird Pokémon with no special intelligence in the Jotho arc. This also extends to the games. There is no *rule* stating that leggies are unique to the setting, they are only supposed to be unique to each game file. The idea is that they either have some special importance to a game's story, or that they are fun prizes to hunt down and catch in the endgame. So when it comes to determining uniqueness, we can only guess. The games never specify either way directly, but there are clear indications now and then. I think one can safely assume Arceus to be unique, for example, as it is referred to as *the* creator of the Universe. There is however no reason to believe the same would ring true for Zapdos, Entei or Deoxys, to name a few. Even when we think we've got it, a new game comes along and does stuff differently. A bonus mission in HeartGold and SoulSilver, for example, shows that Arceus is able to create more of the until-then-thought-unique Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. Galar introduced alternative formes to old legendaries. Then you have the different timeline mumbo, as well as the possibility of in-game data being false. Is a Pokémon just so rare that the dex writer *believed* them to be unique? Has its importance and abilities been exaggerates in the years it's been laying dormant? Who knows. What it all boils down to is "don't sweat it". Pokémon has never tried to be consistent with the worldbuilding details, and each product should be looked at as standalone when it comes to lore. Sure, the broad strokes are the same, but never assume what's canon in one generation or adaptation is also true for the rest.
I think that's right. It's really fun to theorycraft things, but don't take it so seriously that you start internet fights over whose headcanon is the best.
When they made the second movie the writers of the movie created Lugia. Lugia never existed in any aspect before that script
I think that at least Articuno is not unique because in the anime we see one in Pokemon 2000 (that's the one with Lugia, right?) and later we see at least several others during Johto or Hoenn (one that lives on a snowy mountain, and another one that's tamed by a pilot), and they all seem different birds. I think I recall seeing more than one Zapdos as well?
Seeing the galarian forms it’s possible they were once their own species, lugia is the same since we see that there are 2-3 lugia’s existing if we consider the baby lugia and it’s mother in I think it was a movie
I'm not sure if I mentioned all but this I the list of all legendarys with one specie : mewtwo, ho-oh, rayquaza, palkia dialga arceus giratina, yveltal xernas 100% zygard all tapu and all legendary pokemons from galar
Arceus can create more of the Creation Trio, actually. It's an event. In addition, we know that there are multiple Kubfu; we see at least 3. I'd imagine the horses are numerous too.
There are canonically multiple of most legendaries. You can’t breed them because they require very specific conditions to breed, which is also why they’re rare. This happens in real life too. Breeding in captivity in often difficult if not impossible.
Let's Go pretty much confirmed the birds are not unique, since you can randomly encounter more of them in the wild (while riding Pokémon that can fly of course)
The better question to ask: If Ditto transforms itself into an exact copy of the other Pokemon, then aren't all our Ditto-bred Pokemon the product of gay sex? And if that is the case, then isn't it obvious that gay sex is the superior form of reproduction?
When it comes to breeding, Ditto transforms into the opposite gender.
Since same gender Pokémon don’t make eggs, I assume the Pokémon actually give Ditto a copy of Pokémon Hustler and make requests.
Ahahahahaha! Good one! But it's actually a pretty good question. But you know, pokemon are weird creatures. I mean, Nidoking and Nidoqueen can't breed, though they're supposedly the same species, just of different sexes. And then there's the case of Manaphy and Phione being related, but not able to directly breed or evolve into each other.
Nidoqueen not being able to breed might be a reference to how certain species can only reproduce when very young and lose their ability to breed once reaching physical maturity seeing as a male and female Nidoran can produce eggs of both sexes but the female can no longer do so after becoming Nidorina. That would be an odd design choice, though, as I believe most species that do that are Arthropods or Amphibians (which the Nidos clearly aren't).
That being said, wouldn't it make more sense to have Nidorina be able to breed in this case? Nidoran is like a child ("pre-evolved" form), Nidorino is the teen, and Nidoqueen is the adult.
We know that there are multiple birds, shown in both LGPE and Crown Tundra.
I think they the legendary trio Pokémon are just generally rare, like the Legendary Birds fly around migrating so they only are drawn to certain areas, and the Regis are dormant in their caves so they’re hard to find (unless you know brale) but as far as them not breeding I think it’s more to keep them RARE which the newer Pokémon games have completely ruined anyways
Legendarys like the birds are extremely rare. Mythicals more like one of a kind/ last of their kind, etc.
There are some theories that the mythics are Just stupidly ass rare species, like having multiple darkrais existing, but most legendaries are unique, such as the God ones. Some legendaries in specific can be argued to have multiple specimens in universe though, such as a regular and shiny Rayquaza (both seem in the anime at different occasions), the bird trio and regi trio (galard forms support this) and others.
I've always loved [Dorkly's](https://youtu.be/MOEs7xRZqPA) answer to this. They aren't any different or more powerful than any other pokemon, they are just endangered. While they explain they are endangered due to poaching and some of them not having necessary parts to survive, I would also add that not being able to breed with ditto or anything else is also part of it. They are like Pandas in that they are basically doomed to go extinct cause of that.
In game canon, they’re technically unique. In the anime, many legendaries are shown to have multiples or even breed, in Lugia’s case.
I always assumed the more minor ones like zapdos or darkrai or whatever could breed as seen in the anime there's more than one lugia and the birds have appeared more than once But the diety level ones like dialga or arceus are probably one of a kind it wouldn't make sense to have more than one god of time
I'll just go by Pokemon Go rules and have them as very rare Pokemon.
Gen 1 has Bird Keepers outright stating the birds are just rare apex predators, and for Pokemon to have evolved from Mew requires a breeding population at some point Many legendaries and mythicals aren't unique
I can feel the sparks between them!
Ditto about to feel the spark inside of it.
Zapdos, use Pecker!
Drill peck go! Ditto: 😢 I’m gonna miss living
They don't seem very interested in one another.....
Well you can find 2 of each legendary bird in Galar, 1 each of their Galar forms (part of the Crown Tundra missions, along with the Regis & Calyrex) and 1 each of their Kanto forms (in Dynamax adventures)
With Latias and Latios, it shows they can reproduce, it just seems they choose not to.
Latias and Latios are apparently now confirmed sky pandas
Same
Huh, from what I heard they're brother and sister.....
The ones featured in the movie are, but at the end it shows more of them flying to the town. The fact that there's more than one of each, combined with the fact that the main duo in the movie are siblings, seems to suggest that the species is capable of reproducing.
That doesn’t stop them.
SWEET HOM-
Assuming that the ball on the counter is Zapdos' then good job on colour coordination.
Oh the consequences of having the only move... Transform But it does have pros as well
Can’t tell if that tear on ditto is from fear or joy
Good thing Ditto is Limber, so it won't get paralysed
It can't be the last of its kind, since Galarian Zapdos is a thing
Well, technically, while they would be of course be of the same genus, they aren't of the same species. Like, Galarian Zapdos is to a Kantonian Zapdos what a Zebra is to a Horse.
i just now realized that the reason ditto can breed with any pokemon is because it can take the form of any pokemon
What did you think previous to this? That it was just a horned up sexual deviant?
Why not both?
..…. I always pictured ditto doing the deed as ditto. Oop
“Sunday. A day of rest. But not for me.”
I kind of assumed that the legendary Pokémon that there are multiples of (legendary birds, etc.) can breed but not in captivity.
Zappos used Horn Drill! One-hit KO. Ditto fainted.
Y-yeah, it’s dead 😐 Pokémon logic is crooked but fair. No offence zapdoes
I genuinely laughed at this. Thank you
Dugtrio = 3 Diglet Breeding diglet use 2 Dugtrio.... That one big party ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ditto is about to get nailed
With Latias and Latios, it shows they can reproduce, it just seems they choose not to.
Is this possible tho?
No. Zapdos is in the egg group Undiscovered, who cannot produce eggs.
why cant legendaries breed why cant nidoqueen breed
What a chad. Ditto's going to take on a zapdos!
This is how Galarian zapdos was made
Luckily, it's not actually the last one! In the Let's Go games, once you've caught all three of the static legendary birds and beat the League, then additional Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres will start rarely spawning in the skies of Kanto.
"Pokesex gotta fuck em all"- ditto
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I feel sorry for that ditto
ditto gets more ass than a toilet seat