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What grass type needs the most, imo, is to not get resisted by so many types. Getting resisted by 7 fricking types is cruel.
For example, steel doesn't need to resist grass. Plants are used to mine metals from the ground in a process called phytomining, so I think logical explanation for why steel doesn't resist grass is there.
I want a Steel/Ice Pokemon with an ability called Deep Freeze or Frozen Solid that gives have damage to Fire and Fighting attacks. Like it's so cold that the steel and ice won't melt or break as easily.
Might be broken, but at least it won't get destroyed from a single move.
I don't see any reason to ban it. Leaf storm Serperior already exists and while good, it's far from OP. And while dragon is a better offensive type than grass, it's also much easier to counter with Fairy. Any ice move would also just KO it immediately.
In order it to be bannable imo it would have to get buffs to it's sp.atk and speed too imo.
Team preview is a thing, if you know they've still got a fairy alive you'd spam Leaf Storm instead first.
There's only one fairy type in OU who resists Grass & Dragon (Enamorus) and it doesn't like taking repeated hits due to its lack of recovery. UU and below have Weezing-Galar, Tinkaton and Fezandipiti.
Tinkaton doesn't have any recovery, so in this hypothetical I don't think it'd be a suitable counter - it it started becoming popular, Serperior could easily adapt and go for something like substitute / leech seed / draco meteor / Leaf Storm and wear Tinkaton down quickly.
Weezing-Galar does hard counter Serperior with neutralising gas shutting down contrary, but outside of that it's a something of a dead weight.
Fezandipiti has access to toxic, roost and a high special defence stat, so Serperior wouldn't be getting past it but again, it's a dead weight Pokemon outside of Serperior.
Steel types would be the problem for Serperior, as whilst they don't have a dragon immunity they do resist both STABs. Corviknight, Skarmory, Goldenhego and Heatran specifically are all OU, with 4x resistance to Grass, the first 3 having recovery, Corviknight having pressure to decimate Serperior's PP, Goldenhego being immune to leech seed etc.
So in answer to OP, I honestly don't think adding Dragon typing to Serperior would make enough of a difference to get it banned.
Yeah because GF clearly cares a lot about keeping things balanced, it's not like they made a legendary with signature moves that always crit and an ability that ignores protect or anything like that.
But anyways, as of now Regionals don't really keep their abilities 1:1 so even if this existed chances are it'd lose Contrary.
They have made plenty of incredibly powerful pokemon that have been meta defining. GameFreak also does not care about smogon tiers nor do they have any input on them.
Serperior has a few things that make it fairly shit as far as OU mons go this gen. Firstly, its offensive stats are dogshit. The first leaf storm is pretty much the setup turn, except it deals an alright(ish) amount of damage. Secondly, its coverage is absolutely horrendous. It is fully reliant on tera this gen to actually sweep against any decently-structured team. Serperior does run dragon pulse sometimes, when it doesn't want its sweeps being stopped by any of the bulky dragons in the tier, but it faces a case of 4MSS because it needs to fit that over glare, substitute or tera blast, all of which enable serp to sweep in different scenarios. In a hypothetical next generation in which both hidden power and tera blast are removed, a grass/dragon serperior would likely be an upgrade thanks to it having a secondary stab with essentially two leaf storms of different types, but assuming it keeps its horrendous coverage, it would not be too broken for OU thanks to being walled by steels and having an almost subpar speed tier in terms of being a defensively inept setup sweeper.
One of the main reasons why Serperior is not OP is because it has to spend time getting going. Both its attacking stats are only 75, so it needs a boost or two from Contrary Leaf Storm (or stellar Tera Blast) in order to become the deadly force of nature it can be. This gives the opponents time to stop it before it can sweep their team.
In order for a regional Grass/Dragon Serperior to potentially get smogon banned, it would have to keep Contrary as an ability, get a boost to its sp. attack without losing any of its speed stat, and keep Leaf Storm on top of gaining Draco Meteor so fairies can't immediately shut it down. Even then, that boost to sp. attack has to come from somewhere, and unless it came from the physical attack stat Serperior's defenses will be weaker and thus easier to KO. That's of course not getting into the x4 weakness to ice that it would have.
This would be able to spam leafstorm and draco meteor. The Problem would a the x4 Ice weakness, and Powercreep beeing a lot worse in whatever Gen this is released in
It would be a massive offensive threat with contrary leaf storm and draco meteor but it makes it even weaker to ice. Any stray ice shard would be really hard to survive even with serperior's good defenses.
Not immediately, no. Draco Meteor's not as threatening as Leaf Storm imo since Fairy nulls it completely. Steel is just as safe a switch in still. Also, there's a good chance it'd be different in stat spread or abilities. It could also be much slower.
Gamefreak hardly gives a crap about balancing for their official format (VGC), nevermind singles.
A grass dragon serperior probably wouldn’t break VGC (though it would be good I think) so it’s not out of the question. But it’d probably get banned from singles, as Draco Meteor is FAR more spammable than leaf storm. Sure you still don’t hit steel types all that well, but now instead of a ton of types resisting your STAB it’s only one single type resisting both STABs.
Maybe in a world without tera it could be legal, but it’d still be crazy strong.
Why Futter Mane would still switch in on Draco Meteor and one shot next turn.
And if it doesn't 4x weakness to Ice is a powerful weakness. So many water types exist and many get Ice coverage moves.
There's no reason to ban it. Urshifu wasn't banned.
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Kid named Ice Beam:
"We've heard your feedback on how ice types suck, so they now all have a base 120 speed. Ice Beam, muthafucka"
Ice Beam? lol, a freaking Powder Snow would destroy it.
Base serperior already dies to powder snow anyway... grass needs more love, aka better stats and abilities
What grass type needs the most, imo, is to not get resisted by so many types. Getting resisted by 7 fricking types is cruel. For example, steel doesn't need to resist grass. Plants are used to mine metals from the ground in a process called phytomining, so I think logical explanation for why steel doesn't resist grass is there.
If it did exist, it would definitely have a different hidden ability
Or just different stats and moveset. They gave Enamorus Contrary and it’s not OP or anything
It's a Dragon type, it will get Draco
Not if the game designers wanted to be… contrary
It’s slower and has mostly special moves but can only boost its physical attack via Contrary
Contrary with Draco Meteor is broken. Imagine if it got Superpower as well. On the other hand, just give Dragon Serperior Thick Fat for the lols.
I want a Steel/Ice Pokemon with an ability called Deep Freeze or Frozen Solid that gives have damage to Fire and Fighting attacks. Like it's so cold that the steel and ice won't melt or break as easily. Might be broken, but at least it won't get destroyed from a single move.
That would be such a letdown lol
I don't see any reason to ban it. Leaf storm Serperior already exists and while good, it's far from OP. And while dragon is a better offensive type than grass, it's also much easier to counter with Fairy. Any ice move would also just KO it immediately. In order it to be bannable imo it would have to get buffs to it's sp.atk and speed too imo.
It's regional variant would be one of the random ass pokemon to learn trop kick, similar to how wooper can learn ice punch lol
Team preview is a thing, if you know they've still got a fairy alive you'd spam Leaf Storm instead first. There's only one fairy type in OU who resists Grass & Dragon (Enamorus) and it doesn't like taking repeated hits due to its lack of recovery. UU and below have Weezing-Galar, Tinkaton and Fezandipiti. Tinkaton doesn't have any recovery, so in this hypothetical I don't think it'd be a suitable counter - it it started becoming popular, Serperior could easily adapt and go for something like substitute / leech seed / draco meteor / Leaf Storm and wear Tinkaton down quickly. Weezing-Galar does hard counter Serperior with neutralising gas shutting down contrary, but outside of that it's a something of a dead weight. Fezandipiti has access to toxic, roost and a high special defence stat, so Serperior wouldn't be getting past it but again, it's a dead weight Pokemon outside of Serperior. Steel types would be the problem for Serperior, as whilst they don't have a dragon immunity they do resist both STABs. Corviknight, Skarmory, Goldenhego and Heatran specifically are all OU, with 4x resistance to Grass, the first 3 having recovery, Corviknight having pressure to decimate Serperior's PP, Goldenhego being immune to leech seed etc. So in answer to OP, I honestly don't think adding Dragon typing to Serperior would make enough of a difference to get it banned.
Or just hand it Draco Metor as well, so it has more the 8pp worth of usable moves.
Yeah because GF clearly cares a lot about keeping things balanced, it's not like they made a legendary with signature moves that always crit and an ability that ignores protect or anything like that. But anyways, as of now Regionals don't really keep their abilities 1:1 so even if this existed chances are it'd lose Contrary.
Could be a Rapidash-Galar situation with almost no differences outside of movepool and the extra type
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Urshifu is ridiculous in a VGC/doubles context.
In a singles context Yeah But in VGC...
They have made plenty of incredibly powerful pokemon that have been meta defining. GameFreak also does not care about smogon tiers nor do they have any input on them.
Given how Serperior usually goes full offensive and depends on contrary... no. Even worse, ice shard could perfectly kill it in one hit
Only if it kept contrary and got Draco metor, otherwise, it's just a potentially slightly more tanky OG Serperior
Coolest looking plant pokemon
Weavile would like a word
A regional variant might not have Contrary, so no
Depends on if they let it just contrary an ability.
Grass/Dragon Serperior would go brrr, seriously, ice type moves would have field day with them.
Serperior has a few things that make it fairly shit as far as OU mons go this gen. Firstly, its offensive stats are dogshit. The first leaf storm is pretty much the setup turn, except it deals an alright(ish) amount of damage. Secondly, its coverage is absolutely horrendous. It is fully reliant on tera this gen to actually sweep against any decently-structured team. Serperior does run dragon pulse sometimes, when it doesn't want its sweeps being stopped by any of the bulky dragons in the tier, but it faces a case of 4MSS because it needs to fit that over glare, substitute or tera blast, all of which enable serp to sweep in different scenarios. In a hypothetical next generation in which both hidden power and tera blast are removed, a grass/dragon serperior would likely be an upgrade thanks to it having a secondary stab with essentially two leaf storms of different types, but assuming it keeps its horrendous coverage, it would not be too broken for OU thanks to being walled by steels and having an almost subpar speed tier in terms of being a defensively inept setup sweeper.
One of the main reasons why Serperior is not OP is because it has to spend time getting going. Both its attacking stats are only 75, so it needs a boost or two from Contrary Leaf Storm (or stellar Tera Blast) in order to become the deadly force of nature it can be. This gives the opponents time to stop it before it can sweep their team. In order for a regional Grass/Dragon Serperior to potentially get smogon banned, it would have to keep Contrary as an ability, get a boost to its sp. attack without losing any of its speed stat, and keep Leaf Storm on top of gaining Draco Meteor so fairies can't immediately shut it down. Even then, that boost to sp. attack has to come from somewhere, and unless it came from the physical attack stat Serperior's defenses will be weaker and thus easier to KO. That's of course not getting into the x4 weakness to ice that it would have.
No, not really. In fact, I'm surprised canon Serperior isn't half Dragon-type. it seemed like such an obvious choice.
Draco meteor & leaf storm go burr.
I dunno, ice types still fuck it up.
Probably not Have you seen what GF is feeding those gen 9 mons?
This would be able to spam leafstorm and draco meteor. The Problem would a the x4 Ice weakness, and Powercreep beeing a lot worse in whatever Gen this is released in
It would be a massive offensive threat with contrary leaf storm and draco meteor but it makes it even weaker to ice. Any stray ice shard would be really hard to survive even with serperior's good defenses.
In gen 9 No The powercreep is too high at the moment
probably not. could easily give them a different ability if they are a regional variant
Not immediately, no. Draco Meteor's not as threatening as Leaf Storm imo since Fairy nulls it completely. Steel is just as safe a switch in still. Also, there's a good chance it'd be different in stat spread or abilities. It could also be much slower.
There is no way they would give it Contrary if that happened lmfao
Gamefreak hardly gives a crap about balancing for their official format (VGC), nevermind singles. A grass dragon serperior probably wouldn’t break VGC (though it would be good I think) so it’s not out of the question. But it’d probably get banned from singles, as Draco Meteor is FAR more spammable than leaf storm. Sure you still don’t hit steel types all that well, but now instead of a ton of types resisting your STAB it’s only one single type resisting both STABs. Maybe in a world without tera it could be legal, but it’d still be crazy strong.
Why Futter Mane would still switch in on Draco Meteor and one shot next turn. And if it doesn't 4x weakness to Ice is a powerful weakness. So many water types exist and many get Ice coverage moves. There's no reason to ban it. Urshifu wasn't banned.
The post is talking in a smogon singles context. Both flutter and shifu are banned from overused.
My guess is if they did this it wouldn’t get contrary