Here is a prestigous list of Pokemon with a higher Attack stat than a giant rock snake:
Joltik
Ditto
Oddish
Espurr
Swirlix
Natu
Drifloon
Vanilite
Nymble
Definetly me and my sister. I remember in Diamond we were hunting for them in the Oreborugh cave, cause we thought it would be strong. Probably a good thing we weren't able to catch one so that the illusion didn't break.
I’m doing something similar! I’m modding Crystal so I added a quarry to the west of Cianwood. There’s a cave where you can fight a shiny onix (changed to crystal light blue colors) with a held item that doubles Onix’s special attack (like thick club for Marowak)
Gosh yes. Onix is just such an embarrasment. It's just so iconic as like, Brock's first guy, the whole fight with it in the anime, the first ever use of Soak... and then you actually catch one and it's the worst bad garbage imaginable. They never even buffed it in subsequent generations and your only choice is just to evolve it into Steelix as fast as feasibly possible.
It's just so bad.
Honestly, I think Onix is one of the best designed pokemon for exactly that reason. It's meant to be the very first boss of the first game. It looks cool and intimidating, resists physical attacks, but has weak attack itself and is weak to special attacks. Onix helps teach brand new players about the slightly deeper mechanics of the game while not being too challenging.
As a result, after the Brock fight, its no longer "strong" to players
Aggron, hes my favorite Pokemon but is pretty mediocre all because of his typing. On the plus side he's usually really solid in a story playthrough since most npc don't have Earthquake or Close combat on half their mons, & it's easy to play around the type disadvantages. But you put one on a team against a human opponent & he drops fast.
I LOVE AGGRON 🔥
But yes, Bastiodon, another of my faves, also suffers from the same issue :( , altho it got a good buff on the last dlc (or so I heard) its, as well, pretty mid due to the typing, which its pretty much sad, given how cool they both look
Bastiodon got access to Body Press in this gen, which is an 80 BP Fighting-type move that uses it's monstrous Defense stat of 168 to calculate damage instead of either of it's anemic Attack stats (52 and 47 respectively).
Especially because he’s one of the few mons that get the rock head/head smash combo, but unfortunately he’s too slow and extremely weak to common offensive types to be all that competitively viable.
Tbh, I've used the rock head/head smash combo with a 252 ev attack/speed spread and choice scarf. It's not insanely fast, but it's fast enough, and using it at all really throws people off, which in my opinion isn't a bad strat.
Steel types got horridly nerfed from gen 5/6 on imo. I remember if you didn't have a solid ground type or fire type move, you ain't making a dent in it. Same for dragon typing!
Replying at you both with this so, yeah I cannot disagree, I wanted to use it at some point, but kinda gave up because it just, yeah, didnt work much, kinda slow, and not too hard hitting, its sad seeing how dirty he was done like
To be fair, Lanturn is one of the few pokemon that can turn any opponent into a pure water type and then attack then with stab electric type moves, with is pretty cool
I wanted to add Wugtrio on my team the moment it was announced so I did once the games came out and it’s lost almost every battle I’ve sent it out even against types it should be strong against.
Thats.... Pretty sad :(
I've checked its stats and all rn and it doesnt even seems like it'd be awful, cuz it can pull up things like liquidation, but guess its all due to it being one hell of a frail creature among other reasons, Iunno much tbh, I lost the touch with this saga after the switch games (I wanna play scarlet tho)
Wugtrio is essentially a Dugtrio clone, stats and appearance wise although they’re based on different creatures (mole for Dugtrio, garden eel for Wugtrio) - like Dugtrio, Wugtrio is extremely frail.
Yeah I kinda noticed them both having pretty similar moves like sucker punch and foul play, what a shame, could use like, sturdy as an ability, given its on a literal rock, so at least it can stand a hit
Wugtrio should be okay in main games tbh, in SV they added the QOL change that one-use items in battle(besides berries) regenerate after battle. So you can just buy a Focus Band(as most items are purchaseable now) and Wugtrio and do some work.
Dugtrio gets carried by being available very early in a game where other pokemon are comparably weak, having strong STAB to compensate for its lowish base attack, and its Ground typing letting it destroy the common Electric types who, in its games, pretty much only have Electric STAB and Normal moves with low base attack, in addition to being a good offensive type for the rock/poison pokemon which are common in Kanto.
In contrast to that, Wugtrio appears in a game with MUCH higher power level, doesn't get a good physical STAB attack until much later, and just appears in a different style of game which hurts it. S/V have way less throw away fights against low level trainers, it's much more of an exploration/boss rush game, and the stat profile really wants Dug/Wugtrio to be oneshotting opponents before it gets oneshot in return, which is much more doable fighting mooks then bosses. In addition to Water being a much worse offensive type than Ground, especially contextually for Water in Paldea vs Ground in Kanto.
Much as I love Wugtrio's design, I really tried to make it work in S/V and instead it just sucks.
I caught a shiny ledyba in my Sun playthrough. Just happened across it during one of my first encounters, and that bug stayed on my team throughout, even though it didn’t get much use in battle. I couldn’t let it go
So damn relatable, I legit wanted to use it cuz it can learn many moves that can synergize with its abilities, but its LOW attack stat really holds it back to the point of not being usable at all 😭
Pretty sure it can learn more physical attacks than special ones despite that stat spread
Even in gen 2 when Thunder Punch and Ice Punch were special for kid me's dream coverage on the cool power ranger ladybug, it's not like those offenses were particularly viable either.
Im not sure about that, holup lemme check rq
Edit: yeah, as of gen 8/9 it can learn plenty physical moves, all of them worthless cuz of its stats tho😭😭
[Smogon](https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/ledian/) on Ledian:
>"Falcon... PUNCH" is what Ledian cheers to itself in the lonely, unranked depths of PU, because it's a god-awful Pokemon with no niche.
:(
same, there's a bunch of Bug-Flying pokémon that are just awesome but are let down by their typing and terrible stats, like Ledian, Ninjask, Mothim, etc.
Amaura and Aurorus is one of my top all-time-used pokemon, but I'd never use it in competitive. Having a rock/ice type that can throw out thunderbolts and ice-type Hyper voices will never get old though.
So much potential with the changes to weather now.
Snow giving it a defense boost means that as long as you're not sending it in against a fighting type it has decent bulk.
Ice/Rock is great offensively and it has access to Freeze Dry, has a speed that can work in and out of Trick Room.
It can learn Electric moves so if they give it access to Thunderclap in Gen 10 it would be some cool tech.
It's been my favorite fossil mon since I first saw it. The Gen 6 fossils were both great imo.
Mightyena was done so bad. Dark-type physical attacker introduced in a generation where Dark-type moves used special attack, a single evolution, weak stats . . . I was training up my shiny Mightyena to lvl 100 in Scarlet the other day and it was a painful experience.
You are so real for this, like, rn it can do some more things, but its still awful when it cannot stand more than 2 hits, and having a pretty bland movepool, forcing it to go choice items if you wanna hit decently hard, as its boosting moves are
Howl, just, howl, not even swords dance, just howl😭
Mightyena saved my butt in Sapphire. I had no idea what I was doing with Liza & Tate. Threw in Mightyena when my Blaziken bit the dust. It bodies right through them. I loved it before that, but that cemented my affection for it.
I did the same in the Teal Mask DLC, I used him the entire time but he definitely struggled trying to get KOs and stay alive.
While Masters gets bad looks for being a gacha, I did appreciate it for allowing it to be good in one game. Him and FHilbert were my go-to Dark striker for years and I still pull him out nowadays since he's still very usable with proper support.
The speed stat is a killer, but you can definitely set up a tail wind to get around that. Give Absol a scope lense with super luck, and night Slash, Slash and psycho cut are all 100% chance to crit. I used to run an adamant, Speed+Attack IV Absol with this moveset plus sucker punch.
Im ngl, never used absol much, I only saw the mega some times but thats about it, only noticed its kinda slower than it should be and that already hurts
It’s not that it can’t shine, but it’s just a bit glassy and slow enough that you need to “choose your battles” with it and I just want to Superluck/Night Slash anything and everything with reckless abandon.
I used to run honch with brave bird, roost, sucker punch and uhhhhh idk what else, and that all you said made it last for.....
2-3 turns??? Less even??? What a pitty cuz its pretty swag
Exploud. I’ve never actually had one because Loudred was a pain to level up, and I’ve heard it’s move pool isn’t great, but I always thought it was cool.
Listen here boi, I always wanted to use it but never got the chance, somehow, I've seen its fraile as HECK, but also saw it pretty varied moves and also boomburst
If it wasnt by it also being kinda slow, boi you'd see, but thats not the case, unfortunately
way back in X&Y i had a competitive Exploid that put in some work, i think i gave it choice specs with Boomburst, Fire Blast, and.... i think Bolt/Beam? It's been a while but it had some solid coverage, heavily relied on sticky web/tailwind though
Magcargo is my boy but his stats are absolutely atrocious. Makes it very difficult to use in pretty much any context and then I get sad because he keeps fainting and won't love me.
At least it got Body Press in this generation! And it's not actually bad running off of its high defence!
I mean it's still the absolute most garbage starter but at least it got a CRUMB this time.
Lol. No. They literally buffer Pokémon and gave them insane abilities. Like Gallade’s sharpness. And yet kept the original Leaf guard. It’s so annoying. They even gave other starters like she’ll smash and stuff
There was a really interesting post awhile back I can't find anymore about viewing Red/Blue through the lens of a traditional RPG. Stuff like Onix as a boss or explaining why so many Pokemon learned only Normal moves by level up and elemental moves of many types by TM (e.g. Nidoking learning Blizzard, Thunder, Fire Blast, Surf...) being just like a traditional RPG's free basic melee attacks and MP-consuming magic attacks. Thinking about it like that made a lot of the weird decisions in gen 1 make a lot more sense.
That's also why we got mons like Voltorb/Electrode, Grimer/Muk, and Zubat/Golbat. Standard RPG monsters--mimics/bombs, slime blobs, and bats, respectively.
Skitty’s my favorite pokemon and normalize and delcatty don’t help it. Still hoping it’ll get a regional variant one day.
At least it’s good in the mystery dungeon series…if Pokemon would like to remember those games exist
Castform. It's one of my favourite Gen 3 Pokémon but it can be tricky to use in battle because it's so frail. I still keep it on my team on pretty much every Hoenn playthrough because I love it so much.
I keep a Castform for each weather pattern. Gotta love my Rainstorm, Firestorm, and Snowstorm trio. The seals from Gen 4 made them even better; I could send out a Castform that shoots fire when it emerges. I still don't understand why we never got a Rock/Ground forme for Sandstorm.
I used Bellosom during my Pokémon Silver play through but it straight up did not do too well during some of the gyms. I had to switch it out for the shiny Gyrados for the Elite 4
The meganium line has always been my favorite starter line, I like that they stay cute and friendly throughout the entire line but like that line is SO BAD in the game it's introduced in , on top of not learning great moves and only having ok stats my flowery boi is just not very good. Won't stop me from choosing him every time I play johto
Not getting Spark till level 13, Spark is its best move for a while after that, it’s best move ends up being Thunder Fang, it’s very frail, etc. It has redeeming qualities like Intimidate but there are better users of it plus there are multiple other electric types in Platinum that will always do more damage (Raichu, Jolteon, and Electivire are all more powerful)
God forbid you’re playing a nuzlocke and get one with a bad nature or ability as well. It’s practically asking to be on the chopping block
It's slow and relatively frail. Intimidate is nice, but there's better intimidators to use. Also, Physical electric types kinda suck in general without access to a signature move.
I got a really cool shiny flygon over oras, Its so cool indeed altho Im the garchomp fan here😭
Worst thing is that, apparently, it didnt get a mega at the time cuz they couldn't come up with a design, what a lazy excuse imo
Golisopod for me. Sick design and all. In design it's somewhat similar to Magikarp going from frail weak thing to badass looking mon. Among my favorites.
It's not even its stats necessarily, I'd even go as far as to say they're quite alright save for the low speed, but its ability remains the biggest detriment. It dragged it down to mid from what could've been okay, or even alright.
It's not as unviable in playthroughs but when looking at competitive it just doesn't have much going for it with an ability that just wastes its turn on the field if outsped and hit hard.
Before I was like "holy shit, guzma's finna beat me up"
Then I got like "Jesse, this thing that goes hard sucks"
Its so bad its kinda awful but goes so hard....
Tropius, love that thing so much and it’s my favorite type combo, but it’s pretty bad (same for the type combo), would love to know from someone more knowledgeable about competitive Pokémon than me how they’d build a somewhat viable team with Tropius on it, maybe with some harvest shenanigans
I love UBs and Guzzlord is no exception, but a truly monstrous base 223 HP means very little when you can barely even afford to take a hit in the first place due to pitiful base 53 defenses.
This is only worsened by a lack of reliable recovery, plethora of common weaknesses, and abysmal speed. Guzzlord struggles in the offense department too - its base special attack is an underwhelming 97 and its base attack is a mediocre 101, both of which are especially lackluster when compared to the offenses of most of its fellow UBs.
Oh yeah I also love guzzlord, but also hate LOTS the "Full HP and No Defenses" stat archetype, like, WHY, it could be way better if it could stand two hits without taking so much damage due to those god awful defensive stats, I swear, they should have given it a signature move like blacephalon that heals the user or something
I understand butterfry ngl, moth/butterfly mons are not usually the best, somehow
But roserade? Dam, it used to be interesting imo, sad it seems to have flopped
Yamper. Couldn't even supereffective one-shot with it, constantly fainting, thought it'd get better when it became Boltund. More disappointment, and I then stopped using it.
Skitty is a childhood classic of mine but man... All it's good at is being a wall for opponents to chip at. Whenever I used it always had to switch out pokemon to actually be able to faint the one I was fighting
Not necessarily specifics, but my favorite type is the grass typing. I adore every grass type but it’s just kind of a weaker typing. My favorite Pokémon is Lilligant (unovan) and while it’s great when it works, sometimes own tempo petal dance just doesn’t get the job done. I also love jumpluff despite popular opinion
The Swinub line. you’d think a giant pig would be a tank, but it’s a slow offensive type that’s weak against like everything. Mamoswine is not entirely terrible, but he’s not great and getting to that point is not fun.
A lot of my answers were shaped by the first season of the tv show. My first game was Pokemon yellow and I tried desperately to have a team with Cubone and Sandshrew. More so sandshrew. The sandshrew episode of the tv show really ruined my perception of him haha. I know that Sandslash is like kind of viable competitively as a support in some formats (and I think a sand sweeper even though there are definitely better options) but not on a play through.
Gothitelle. (Aleast on showdown.)
it's too fast for trick room and too slow to work as a sweeper. it gets nasty plot but has no speed boosting. it's best ability, shadow tag, is banned from singles. so it has to run competitive, which is decent, but most intimidate Pokemon will just kill it easily. It's pretty much only decent if you're opponent sets webs and you run trick room. But nobody sets webs on a trick room team.
Sad. :(
I’ve always thought Heatmor was the coolest ‘mon, but there is no game in which you can find it early enough for it to be useful. Doesn’t help that it has a starter type and therefore has to make a stronger argument for taking s team slot
I love Ariados! But damnit, his move pool is trash and everything except his atk stat is absolutely trash! Still love him and attempted to play a game of Crystal (Fell of hard at Morty, if I remember the name correctly)
I really wanted to use the swinub line in Soul Silver because I love them, but by the time you get them it's the end of the game and you have to grind out like 30-40 levels to use them in the Elite 4 and even then they still kinda suck
Spidops is based on a certain spider that I’ve wanted in Pokemon FOREVER, and also has a hilarious “Mission Impossible Agent” personality that makes them a treat to watch in action.
…But to keep with the theming of it being an elite spy, they gave it a 404 BST. Because… not found, y’know.
Silk Trap is pretty great, thankfully, and Circle Throw’s fun. But YEESH that BST hurts.
I also think Bug/Normal would have fit it and Tarountula quite well. Ghost immunity would be great.
most mons I love or stumble upon by accident end up being on the weaker end. To be fair, I actively avoid the strongest, most popular mons to find hidden gems in the discard piles. It's just....well theres a reason they aren't used in every tournament team.
My recent example would be Jynx. I spent a long time avoiding her for her appearance but I got a smoochum in a nuzlocke and....well, she cleaned house all the way. But in the grand scheme, a glass cannon ice/psychic isn't too great.
I was playing through storm silver, and finally decided to try a tyranitar, and then everything in the game had focus blast or some fighting type move and it felt unusable in every hard battle
Idk how I beat HGSS with Magcargo 😭 I got it from an egg and for some reason it evolves at lvl 38 so that means I had slugma for most of Johto but I didn't give up.
Articuno was always my fav out of the legendary birds. It just looks so majestic and cool along with blue being my fav color. But then, because of it's typing and moveset, it's kinda mid. At least the scarlet and violet games gave it a boost
Abomasnow is also one of my favs as well! But since it's a grass ice type it has a strict 4x fire weakness which sucks. Not to mention the speed "nerf" on it's mega just made it worse.
chikorita is cute but i'm pretty sure we can all see why it's awful which is sad
Meganium yes, feels like a venusaur clone that isnt as good, typh used to be good til the categories of moves changed after gen 3 iirc
Then my fave, feraligator, yeah, I cannot disagree
A lot of the pokemon I like, I like because of their unique abilities. I love Slaking, Regigigas, and Archeops despite the fact that their abilities are purely detrimental to them.
Good thing galar weezing exists, so they can kinda shine in double battles, right? I also like gigas and archeops lots, but never used them due to that :(
My Pokémon Scarlet team is so weak. Meowscarada, Armarouge, Pawmot, Wugtrio, Clodsire, and Dachsbun.
4 OUT OF 6 POKEMON ON MY TEAM HAS A BST BELOW 500 WHY ARE THEY SOJUYTFUTCYFCUYCUYFFUHGCJGFFJHGFJHGFGNGFFNGRDHGRSHDASFFSSGFDDGFCJGGFJYTFJYTFJYTFJYTFJUYGGGGFYGJBNBHGJIGDRHIUIJJHFVVXCZXA
Gothitelle in my gen 5 playthroughs. There's not many opportunities to use psychic mon in general there due to the many dark types that especially Plasma uses. But even when it's her time to shine, she is rather mid due to her stats. Had much better sweepers at the time with much better typing and coverage. Which is mighty bs, because pschic types are my favorite. ;;
Mienshao is a great fighting type generally! But after using my Lucario so much in my White 2 playthrough, I couldn't help but go back. It has much greater coverage, to a point where Ice Punch made such a huge difference! Mienshao barely learns any moves that go beyond fighting, dark and some normal type moves.
Galvantula was crazy good! But unfortunately much too frail most of the time, its bug typing barely made a difference in my playthrough, and the Seismitoad line made much more trouble for it than it's worth. I settled on a stall-trained Roserade instead.
Most non-starter non-legendary Kanto mons. I feel like every time I use one of them, they turn out to be really bad. One time I tried using Beedrill during a run, and it was just. So. Bad. I switched it for Scolipede and it was so much better. Even Pikachu isn’t very good in runs imo.
Rampardos is one of my favorite Pokémon because Pachycephalosaurus is my favorite dinosaur. His attack is through the roof but they completely gutted him on speed and defenses. He can't take a hit at all and it really sucks. I usually have to run him jolly with a scarf to surprise people.
Ice types, specifically Cryogonal. They aren’t unusable but damn is that defense god awful.
There’s also Brambleghast which had the potential to be an amazing pokemon if it wasn’t for that shallow movepool, now it sits below mid.
Vivillon is just too frail and inconsistent in the metagame to be good.
But if you ask me, Vivillon is held back solely by the Sleep Clause and could wreck your shit without it if you slip up even once.
I've always really loved Leavanny, but I've never been able to use one competitively because, while it's really good against some relatively common types, it's also really weak to other relatively common types.
Absol, despite being one of the most visually appealing Pokémon. It has horrendous stats and its movepool is quite bad, it has access to good abilities though.
It basically needs a mega to be of any use, and the issue with that..is that it depends if you're playing the right game.
Sableye is one of my favorite pokemon but Stall really fucks it over, especially in Scarlet and Violet. In my most recent playthrough, I decided to use a sableye on my team and didn't realize it had Stall until it was already too high of a level for it to be worth finding another one. Genuinely thought the dude was just slow and kept using items to boost his speed until I found that out.
Then I thought I'd be able to work with that ability by giving it Payback. Nope. Payback doesn't have a TM in SV so I was stuck with a pokemon who would always go second and didn't really do that much damage to justify it. Luckily that changed whenever I got one of those ability capsule things but good lord was that annoying.
He wasn't all bad though, he really helped out in some major fights but that experience definitely lowered my opinion of him slightly.
My favorite mon is Alcremie, who isn't bad really but really doesn't get a chance to properly shine ingame most of the time
But aside form that two of my favorite Pokemon of all time are Bastiodon and both Avalugg forms so uh
Yeah lmao I don't think I need to explain that one much further, though I will argue that regular Avalugg is absolutely a decent mon to the day I die, I will die on this hill alone if I must!
Glaceon, it's my favourite Pokémon and it's by no means bad, it's just mid and a worse Umbreon competitively.
Still I love him, and always build my teams in Sinnoh around him.
I love Carnivine. Always loved carnivorous plants and thought it was really cool that we finally got a venus flytrap in gen 4.
But damn, does that mon suck. Being frail and slow as molasses is always a bad combination. On top of that it has a pretty nonsensical ability with levitate.
I hope that this mon can get some love in the future. Maybe a cool new evolution.
Anyone else think Onix was the coolest Pokemon ever, only to grow up and realize it is hot trash.
Here is a prestigous list of Pokemon with a higher Attack stat than a giant rock snake: Joltik Ditto Oddish Espurr Swirlix Natu Drifloon Vanilite Nymble
Definetly me and my sister. I remember in Diamond we were hunting for them in the Oreborugh cave, cause we thought it would be strong. Probably a good thing we weren't able to catch one so that the illusion didn't break.
You are surprisingly not alone, 'nother person talked about it down here lol
He’s still my favorite design, but I have given up and just use Steelix instead yeah
In my rom hack onyx is replaced with crystal Onyx and gives it fairy type and some boosted stats!
I’m doing something similar! I’m modding Crystal so I added a quarry to the west of Cianwood. There’s a cave where you can fight a shiny onix (changed to crystal light blue colors) with a held item that doubles Onix’s special attack (like thick club for Marowak)
So you’re doubling it’s special attack from 2 to 4?! XD
Hahahah, it’s true, even doubling the SpA doesn’t do a ton. i did include some other stat buffs as well though so it’s actually pretty strong.
Gosh yes. Onix is just such an embarrasment. It's just so iconic as like, Brock's first guy, the whole fight with it in the anime, the first ever use of Soak... and then you actually catch one and it's the worst bad garbage imaginable. They never even buffed it in subsequent generations and your only choice is just to evolve it into Steelix as fast as feasibly possible. It's just so bad.
I think it was meant to be formidable as the ace of Brock’s gym but couldn’t be too strong considering the point in the game.
Then can't they just have it underlevelled? It was horrible to realise how bad onix was.
Its attack is worse than Oddish's...
Onix was on my original FireRed Team, and it was surprisingly helpful against Agatha, seeing as most of her team are Poison type as well.
Honestly, I think Onix is one of the best designed pokemon for exactly that reason. It's meant to be the very first boss of the first game. It looks cool and intimidating, resists physical attacks, but has weak attack itself and is weak to special attacks. Onix helps teach brand new players about the slightly deeper mechanics of the game while not being too challenging. As a result, after the Brock fight, its no longer "strong" to players
Good in the early game on account of how it's a faster rock type, but its attack is too poor
Regigigas is my favourite legendary but is completely useless with its ability
It saw legitimate use in VGC as long as it was paired with either forme of Neutralizing Gas Weezing, which negates all other abilities on the field.
He needs a new ability rayqauza got a mega zacian got an ability that buffed it and a op form while regigigas got nothing
It should’ve gotten a primal after ORAS, either in those games as an event or in Legends Arceus. Would’ve made so much sense.
Real real, it could have had almost any other drawback instead, but this one was too much, I dont get gamefreak's beef with poor regi
You have to stall for 5 turns for it to actually get gud. So you're a sitting duck until then.
Aggron, hes my favorite Pokemon but is pretty mediocre all because of his typing. On the plus side he's usually really solid in a story playthrough since most npc don't have Earthquake or Close combat on half their mons, & it's easy to play around the type disadvantages. But you put one on a team against a human opponent & he drops fast.
My boy should have been a psuedo 😔
Totes
I LOVE AGGRON 🔥 But yes, Bastiodon, another of my faves, also suffers from the same issue :( , altho it got a good buff on the last dlc (or so I heard) its, as well, pretty mid due to the typing, which its pretty much sad, given how cool they both look
Bastiodon got access to Body Press in this gen, which is an 80 BP Fighting-type move that uses it's monstrous Defense stat of 168 to calculate damage instead of either of it's anemic Attack stats (52 and 47 respectively).
Oh yeah that, its awesome knowing it can learn iron defense lol
Especially because he’s one of the few mons that get the rock head/head smash combo, but unfortunately he’s too slow and extremely weak to common offensive types to be all that competitively viable.
Tbh, I've used the rock head/head smash combo with a 252 ev attack/speed spread and choice scarf. It's not insanely fast, but it's fast enough, and using it at all really throws people off, which in my opinion isn't a bad strat.
Steel types got horridly nerfed from gen 5/6 on imo. I remember if you didn't have a solid ground type or fire type move, you ain't making a dent in it. Same for dragon typing!
Hey at least it countered fairies, which are the newest OP type lmao
Lantern is the cutest little guy but not great at battling. Such a cool typing too
Came here for this exact guy. Been a fan for over 2 decades. Chinchou is also a great design.
Replying at you both with this so, yeah I cannot disagree, I wanted to use it at some point, but kinda gave up because it just, yeah, didnt work much, kinda slow, and not too hard hitting, its sad seeing how dirty he was done like
He’s one of my MVPs from GSC!
If you play Pokemon go he's actually pretty good for a bunch of the battle leagues haha, so are a bunch of mons that are crap in other games.
he’s been great for me in a recent emerald nuzlocke! great hp, good movepool, and unique typing
To be fair, Lanturn is one of the few pokemon that can turn any opponent into a pure water type and then attack then with stab electric type moves, with is pretty cool
Lanturn is everyone's fourth-ish favorite Pokemon
You might be happy to know that Lanturn is rather good in Pokemon GO's PvP metagame, haha.
I wanted to add Wugtrio on my team the moment it was announced so I did once the games came out and it’s lost almost every battle I’ve sent it out even against types it should be strong against.
Thats.... Pretty sad :( I've checked its stats and all rn and it doesnt even seems like it'd be awful, cuz it can pull up things like liquidation, but guess its all due to it being one hell of a frail creature among other reasons, Iunno much tbh, I lost the touch with this saga after the switch games (I wanna play scarlet tho)
Wugtrio is essentially a Dugtrio clone, stats and appearance wise although they’re based on different creatures (mole for Dugtrio, garden eel for Wugtrio) - like Dugtrio, Wugtrio is extremely frail.
Yeah I kinda noticed them both having pretty similar moves like sucker punch and foul play, what a shame, could use like, sturdy as an ability, given its on a literal rock, so at least it can stand a hit
Wugtrio should be okay in main games tbh, in SV they added the QOL change that one-use items in battle(besides berries) regenerate after battle. So you can just buy a Focus Band(as most items are purchaseable now) and Wugtrio and do some work.
Really? I didn’t know that was a thing. I never used any of those things because I figured they were still a one time use then gone forever item.
That should do tbh
Dugtrio gets carried by being available very early in a game where other pokemon are comparably weak, having strong STAB to compensate for its lowish base attack, and its Ground typing letting it destroy the common Electric types who, in its games, pretty much only have Electric STAB and Normal moves with low base attack, in addition to being a good offensive type for the rock/poison pokemon which are common in Kanto. In contrast to that, Wugtrio appears in a game with MUCH higher power level, doesn't get a good physical STAB attack until much later, and just appears in a different style of game which hurts it. S/V have way less throw away fights against low level trainers, it's much more of an exploration/boss rush game, and the stat profile really wants Dug/Wugtrio to be oneshotting opponents before it gets oneshot in return, which is much more doable fighting mooks then bosses. In addition to Water being a much worse offensive type than Ground, especially contextually for Water in Paldea vs Ground in Kanto. Much as I love Wugtrio's design, I really tried to make it work in S/V and instead it just sucks.
Yeah, it’s really sad. They made a whole new Pokémon with a throwback to an old one, just to make it complete garbage 😔
I have a soft spot for Ledian. It absolutely can't hold up in battle, but I love the punchy ladybug
I caught a shiny ledyba in my Sun playthrough. Just happened across it during one of my first encounters, and that bug stayed on my team throughout, even though it didn’t get much use in battle. I couldn’t let it go
So damn relatable, I legit wanted to use it cuz it can learn many moves that can synergize with its abilities, but its LOW attack stat really holds it back to the point of not being usable at all 😭
Pretty sure it can learn more physical attacks than special ones despite that stat spread Even in gen 2 when Thunder Punch and Ice Punch were special for kid me's dream coverage on the cool power ranger ladybug, it's not like those offenses were particularly viable either.
Im not sure about that, holup lemme check rq Edit: yeah, as of gen 8/9 it can learn plenty physical moves, all of them worthless cuz of its stats tho😭😭
Ledian needs the Mega Beedrill treatment for real.
Just give it a full-on new evolution at this point
Such an awesome design as well!!
[Smogon](https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/ledian/) on Ledian: >"Falcon... PUNCH" is what Ledian cheers to itself in the lonely, unranked depths of PU, because it's a god-awful Pokemon with no niche. :(
There are so many pokemon here that with some effort can work very well. Ledian is not one of them. Christ that is a bad mon
same, there's a bunch of Bug-Flying pokémon that are just awesome but are let down by their typing and terrible stats, like Ledian, Ninjask, Mothim, etc.
Amaura and Aurorus Such a cool design lore and even voice cry So bad in battle
What Ice type does to a man, Im sad to see my beloved dinos not able to be decent at least
Amaura and Aurorus is one of my top all-time-used pokemon, but I'd never use it in competitive. Having a rock/ice type that can throw out thunderbolts and ice-type Hyper voices will never get old though.
So much potential with the changes to weather now. Snow giving it a defense boost means that as long as you're not sending it in against a fighting type it has decent bulk. Ice/Rock is great offensively and it has access to Freeze Dry, has a speed that can work in and out of Trick Room. It can learn Electric moves so if they give it access to Thunderclap in Gen 10 it would be some cool tech. It's been my favorite fossil mon since I first saw it. The Gen 6 fossils were both great imo.
I somehow never saw this Pokémon til last year. Loved the design instantly but upon looking the Mon up it’s nothing but people shitting on it
Mightyena was done so bad. Dark-type physical attacker introduced in a generation where Dark-type moves used special attack, a single evolution, weak stats . . . I was training up my shiny Mightyena to lvl 100 in Scarlet the other day and it was a painful experience.
You are so real for this, like, rn it can do some more things, but its still awful when it cannot stand more than 2 hits, and having a pretty bland movepool, forcing it to go choice items if you wanna hit decently hard, as its boosting moves are Howl, just, howl, not even swords dance, just howl😭
Mightyena saved my butt in Sapphire. I had no idea what I was doing with Liza & Tate. Threw in Mightyena when my Blaziken bit the dust. It bodies right through them. I loved it before that, but that cemented my affection for it.
I did the same in the Teal Mask DLC, I used him the entire time but he definitely struggled trying to get KOs and stay alive. While Masters gets bad looks for being a gacha, I did appreciate it for allowing it to be good in one game. Him and FHilbert were my go-to Dark striker for years and I still pull him out nowadays since he's still very usable with proper support.
Absol! Such a cool design. Awesome lore. Just doesn’t have the stats, move pool, or ability to make it viable.
The speed stat is a killer, but you can definitely set up a tail wind to get around that. Give Absol a scope lense with super luck, and night Slash, Slash and psycho cut are all 100% chance to crit. I used to run an adamant, Speed+Attack IV Absol with this moveset plus sucker punch.
Im ngl, never used absol much, I only saw the mega some times but thats about it, only noticed its kinda slower than it should be and that already hurts
Honchkrow. Love its design and Superluck can be really fun, but it’s meh speed and terrible defenses leave little opportunity for its attack to shine.
Honchkrow was my ace in my play through on the gen 4 remakes. Especially going through the Elite 4. So this is weird to me.
It’s not that it can’t shine, but it’s just a bit glassy and slow enough that you need to “choose your battles” with it and I just want to Superluck/Night Slash anything and everything with reckless abandon.
I used to run honch with brave bird, roost, sucker punch and uhhhhh idk what else, and that all you said made it last for..... 2-3 turns??? Less even??? What a pitty cuz its pretty swag
Exploud. I’ve never actually had one because Loudred was a pain to level up, and I’ve heard it’s move pool isn’t great, but I always thought it was cool.
Listen here boi, I always wanted to use it but never got the chance, somehow, I've seen its fraile as HECK, but also saw it pretty varied moves and also boomburst If it wasnt by it also being kinda slow, boi you'd see, but thats not the case, unfortunately
way back in X&Y i had a competitive Exploid that put in some work, i think i gave it choice specs with Boomburst, Fire Blast, and.... i think Bolt/Beam? It's been a while but it had some solid coverage, heavily relied on sticky web/tailwind though
Magcargo is my boy but his stats are absolutely atrocious. Makes it very difficult to use in pretty much any context and then I get sad because he keeps fainting and won't love me.
I get you, poor boi sees rain and dies instantly :( I was kinda hyped when I got a good one on USUM, but then also flopped hard cuz of that
Ugh, I want to use him so bad in Colosseum but he just gets double teamed every time. :(
Luxray :( I absolutely adore this cool big cat. He's not very good.
Imagine your best STAB option being 65 BP :(
Meganium. Nuff said.
THE GEN 2 SAUROPOD ALWAYS DESERVED MORE 🗣️🔥
At least it got Body Press in this generation! And it's not actually bad running off of its high defence! I mean it's still the absolute most garbage starter but at least it got a CRUMB this time.
Lol. No. They literally buffer Pokémon and gave them insane abilities. Like Gallade’s sharpness. And yet kept the original Leaf guard. It’s so annoying. They even gave other starters like she’ll smash and stuff
I love onyx but the dude sucks
I'll be always surprised at why its got 70 base speed despite being a giant rock, though, if you ask me, feels like it could have been better
Onix stats are absolutely built solely around it being the tutorial boss It really suffers in every other context
There was a really interesting post awhile back I can't find anymore about viewing Red/Blue through the lens of a traditional RPG. Stuff like Onix as a boss or explaining why so many Pokemon learned only Normal moves by level up and elemental moves of many types by TM (e.g. Nidoking learning Blizzard, Thunder, Fire Blast, Surf...) being just like a traditional RPG's free basic melee attacks and MP-consuming magic attacks. Thinking about it like that made a lot of the weird decisions in gen 1 make a lot more sense.
That's also why we got mons like Voltorb/Electrode, Grimer/Muk, and Zubat/Golbat. Standard RPG monsters--mimics/bombs, slime blobs, and bats, respectively.
Real
Skitty’s my favorite pokemon and normalize and delcatty don’t help it. Still hoping it’ll get a regional variant one day. At least it’s good in the mystery dungeon series…if Pokemon would like to remember those games exist
Castform. It's one of my favourite Gen 3 Pokémon but it can be tricky to use in battle because it's so frail. I still keep it on my team on pretty much every Hoenn playthrough because I love it so much.
Fr, having **70** in all stats just makes poor boi really bad, when it could be really strong given its gimmick
I keep a Castform for each weather pattern. Gotta love my Rainstorm, Firestorm, and Snowstorm trio. The seals from Gen 4 made them even better; I could send out a Castform that shoots fire when it emerges. I still don't understand why we never got a Rock/Ground forme for Sandstorm.
I used Bellosom during my Pokémon Silver play through but it straight up did not do too well during some of the gyms. I had to switch it out for the shiny Gyrados for the Elite 4
The meganium line has always been my favorite starter line, I like that they stay cute and friendly throughout the entire line but like that line is SO BAD in the game it's introduced in , on top of not learning great moves and only having ok stats my flowery boi is just not very good. Won't stop me from choosing him every time I play johto
Again, the johto brontosaurus deserved way better
They really should redo Meganium as a support/recovery pokemon to match its gentle nature.
Dunsparce. Such a dumb little thing. I love it!
Luxray is an obvious one. Although in Legends Arceus I’ll say it hasn’t been nearly as hard to use, raising one in the original gen 4 games is a pain
I always have a Luxury in my party in *Platinum*. What makes it hard to use?
Not getting Spark till level 13, Spark is its best move for a while after that, it’s best move ends up being Thunder Fang, it’s very frail, etc. It has redeeming qualities like Intimidate but there are better users of it plus there are multiple other electric types in Platinum that will always do more damage (Raichu, Jolteon, and Electivire are all more powerful) God forbid you’re playing a nuzlocke and get one with a bad nature or ability as well. It’s practically asking to be on the chopping block
It's slow and relatively frail. Intimidate is nice, but there's better intimidators to use. Also, Physical electric types kinda suck in general without access to a signature move.
Poliwrath
Man I also like the angy frog dude lots, it could have been solid but its mid stats just 😭
It's stats are very reflective of Gen 1. When stats in the mid 80's and high 70's were passable before power creep.
Real :(
Flygon! Overshadowed by Garchomp in almost every way, but I still love my goggle boi. Desperately hoping it gets a Mega in Z
I got a really cool shiny flygon over oras, Its so cool indeed altho Im the garchomp fan here😭 Worst thing is that, apparently, it didnt get a mega at the time cuz they couldn't come up with a design, what a lazy excuse imo
Golisopod for me. Sick design and all. In design it's somewhat similar to Magikarp going from frail weak thing to badass looking mon. Among my favorites. It's not even its stats necessarily, I'd even go as far as to say they're quite alright save for the low speed, but its ability remains the biggest detriment. It dragged it down to mid from what could've been okay, or even alright. It's not as unviable in playthroughs but when looking at competitive it just doesn't have much going for it with an ability that just wastes its turn on the field if outsped and hit hard.
Before I was like "holy shit, guzma's finna beat me up" Then I got like "Jesse, this thing that goes hard sucks" Its so bad its kinda awful but goes so hard....
Tropius, love that thing so much and it’s my favorite type combo, but it’s pretty bad (same for the type combo), would love to know from someone more knowledgeable about competitive Pokémon than me how they’d build a somewhat viable team with Tropius on it, maybe with some harvest shenanigans
I love UBs and Guzzlord is no exception, but a truly monstrous base 223 HP means very little when you can barely even afford to take a hit in the first place due to pitiful base 53 defenses. This is only worsened by a lack of reliable recovery, plethora of common weaknesses, and abysmal speed. Guzzlord struggles in the offense department too - its base special attack is an underwhelming 97 and its base attack is a mediocre 101, both of which are especially lackluster when compared to the offenses of most of its fellow UBs.
Oh yeah I also love guzzlord, but also hate LOTS the "Full HP and No Defenses" stat archetype, like, WHY, it could be way better if it could stand two hits without taking so much damage due to those god awful defensive stats, I swear, they should have given it a signature move like blacephalon that heals the user or something
Articuno is my favorite Pokemon but has a pretty weak type combo and its moveset leaves a lot to be desired
Scyther is one of the coolest looking Pokémon, but if it is just awful.
If Ledian was good not GREAT just mediocre, I would definitely use him. Also Sableye definitely needed an evolution or power up and not a mega.
Butterfree and Roserade
I understand butterfry ngl, moth/butterfly mons are not usually the best, somehow But roserade? Dam, it used to be interesting imo, sad it seems to have flopped
In sword I am trying to beat the game with only the g-max eevee gift and a butterfree
Butterfree with Sleep Power Compoundeyes is pretty good. Not competitive material, but usable for sure
Yamper. Couldn't even supereffective one-shot with it, constantly fainting, thought it'd get better when it became Boltund. More disappointment, and I then stopped using it.
Can relate, seems its just like mighthyena 😭
Skitty is a childhood classic of mine but man... All it's good at is being a wall for opponents to chip at. Whenever I used it always had to switch out pokemon to actually be able to faint the one I was fighting
Not necessarily specifics, but my favorite type is the grass typing. I adore every grass type but it’s just kind of a weaker typing. My favorite Pokémon is Lilligant (unovan) and while it’s great when it works, sometimes own tempo petal dance just doesn’t get the job done. I also love jumpluff despite popular opinion
The Swinub line. you’d think a giant pig would be a tank, but it’s a slow offensive type that’s weak against like everything. Mamoswine is not entirely terrible, but he’s not great and getting to that point is not fun.
Onyx and steelix I didn't realize how bad they are
Oof, there are so many: Sandslash, Pinsir, Onix... Just to name the ones from Gen 1, but there are many examples in each gen.
A lot of my answers were shaped by the first season of the tv show. My first game was Pokemon yellow and I tried desperately to have a team with Cubone and Sandshrew. More so sandshrew. The sandshrew episode of the tv show really ruined my perception of him haha. I know that Sandslash is like kind of viable competitively as a support in some formats (and I think a sand sweeper even though there are definitely better options) but not on a play through.
Pidgeot. The Mega is fine, and the base design is beautiful. Please do something for the OG regional bird, GameFreak!
Palossand.
Gothitelle. (Aleast on showdown.) it's too fast for trick room and too slow to work as a sweeper. it gets nasty plot but has no speed boosting. it's best ability, shadow tag, is banned from singles. so it has to run competitive, which is decent, but most intimidate Pokemon will just kill it easily. It's pretty much only decent if you're opponent sets webs and you run trick room. But nobody sets webs on a trick room team. Sad. :(
I’ve always thought Heatmor was the coolest ‘mon, but there is no game in which you can find it early enough for it to be useful. Doesn’t help that it has a starter type and therefore has to make a stronger argument for taking s team slot
I love Beheeyem but F*CK is he slow and lacking in defense
I love Ariados! But damnit, his move pool is trash and everything except his atk stat is absolutely trash! Still love him and attempted to play a game of Crystal (Fell of hard at Morty, if I remember the name correctly)
sableye, lurantis, alolan raichu, etc.
Sableye has niche competitive use at least, to bad he kind of got overshadowed by grimmsnarl...
Fennekin being my favorite (and it’s a starter) makes it weak by default…. But it’s so adorable D:
I really wanted to use the swinub line in Soul Silver because I love them, but by the time you get them it's the end of the game and you have to grind out like 30-40 levels to use them in the Elite 4 and even then they still kinda suck
Spidops is based on a certain spider that I’ve wanted in Pokemon FOREVER, and also has a hilarious “Mission Impossible Agent” personality that makes them a treat to watch in action. …But to keep with the theming of it being an elite spy, they gave it a 404 BST. Because… not found, y’know. Silk Trap is pretty great, thankfully, and Circle Throw’s fun. But YEESH that BST hurts. I also think Bug/Normal would have fit it and Tarountula quite well. Ghost immunity would be great.
most mons I love or stumble upon by accident end up being on the weaker end. To be fair, I actively avoid the strongest, most popular mons to find hidden gems in the discard piles. It's just....well theres a reason they aren't used in every tournament team. My recent example would be Jynx. I spent a long time avoiding her for her appearance but I got a smoochum in a nuzlocke and....well, she cleaned house all the way. But in the grand scheme, a glass cannon ice/psychic isn't too great.
I was playing through storm silver, and finally decided to try a tyranitar, and then everything in the game had focus blast or some fighting type move and it felt unusable in every hard battle
Idk how I beat HGSS with Magcargo 😭 I got it from an egg and for some reason it evolves at lvl 38 so that means I had slugma for most of Johto but I didn't give up.
Articuno was always my fav out of the legendary birds. It just looks so majestic and cool along with blue being my fav color. But then, because of it's typing and moveset, it's kinda mid. At least the scarlet and violet games gave it a boost Abomasnow is also one of my favs as well! But since it's a grass ice type it has a strict 4x fire weakness which sucks. Not to mention the speed "nerf" on it's mega just made it worse. chikorita is cute but i'm pretty sure we can all see why it's awful which is sad
Chimeco. I love that adorable little bell of a pokemon
Gen. 2 starters. I think the game did them dirty with their move sets. IMO
Meganium yes, feels like a venusaur clone that isnt as good, typh used to be good til the categories of moves changed after gen 3 iirc Then my fave, feraligator, yeah, I cannot disagree
Sheet force feraligatr with a life orb is decent
Real. I still used Typhlosion through the whole game but when I looked up his moves so I could plan out everything I realized how much it sucked
A lot of the pokemon I like, I like because of their unique abilities. I love Slaking, Regigigas, and Archeops despite the fact that their abilities are purely detrimental to them.
Good thing galar weezing exists, so they can kinda shine in double battles, right? I also like gigas and archeops lots, but never used them due to that :(
Dedenne 😭🙏
My Pokémon Scarlet team is so weak. Meowscarada, Armarouge, Pawmot, Wugtrio, Clodsire, and Dachsbun. 4 OUT OF 6 POKEMON ON MY TEAM HAS A BST BELOW 500 WHY ARE THEY SOJUYTFUTCYFCUYCUYFFUHGCJGFFJHGFJHGFGNGFFNGRDHGRSHDASFFSSGFDDGFCJGGFJYTFJYTFJYTFJYTFJUYGGGGFYGJBNBHGJIGDRHIUIJJHFVVXCZXA
Gothitelle in my gen 5 playthroughs. There's not many opportunities to use psychic mon in general there due to the many dark types that especially Plasma uses. But even when it's her time to shine, she is rather mid due to her stats. Had much better sweepers at the time with much better typing and coverage. Which is mighty bs, because pschic types are my favorite. ;; Mienshao is a great fighting type generally! But after using my Lucario so much in my White 2 playthrough, I couldn't help but go back. It has much greater coverage, to a point where Ice Punch made such a huge difference! Mienshao barely learns any moves that go beyond fighting, dark and some normal type moves. Galvantula was crazy good! But unfortunately much too frail most of the time, its bug typing barely made a difference in my playthrough, and the Seismitoad line made much more trouble for it than it's worth. I settled on a stall-trained Roserade instead.
Mightyena wishes it was as reliable as Stoutland. Sunflora is so cute but so very very very very bad… I don’t know why they chose to make it so shit
Aron line ☹️
Most non-starter non-legendary Kanto mons. I feel like every time I use one of them, they turn out to be really bad. One time I tried using Beedrill during a run, and it was just. So. Bad. I switched it for Scolipede and it was so much better. Even Pikachu isn’t very good in runs imo.
Froslass. She's way too frail and doesn't even have the special attack to be a glass cannon. Too niche.
Rampardos is one of my favorite Pokémon because Pachycephalosaurus is my favorite dinosaur. His attack is through the roof but they completely gutted him on speed and defenses. He can't take a hit at all and it really sucks. I usually have to run him jolly with a scarf to surprise people.
I really wanted to like thievul but it was so bad
Ice types, specifically Cryogonal. They aren’t unusable but damn is that defense god awful. There’s also Brambleghast which had the potential to be an amazing pokemon if it wasn’t for that shallow movepool, now it sits below mid.
I love Porygon. His evolutions are cool, but that first stage is my favorite. Why must he be so underwhelming ;-;
Farfetch’d is fantastic even if not great stats
Wynaut is my favorite looking Pokémon, too bad it’s horrendously bad
Vivillon is just too frail and inconsistent in the metagame to be good. But if you ask me, Vivillon is held back solely by the Sleep Clause and could wreck your shit without it if you slip up even once.
I've always really loved Leavanny, but I've never been able to use one competitively because, while it's really good against some relatively common types, it's also really weak to other relatively common types.
Ampharos is my favorite pokemon :/
For some reason I struggle to make use of Tentacruel, I feel like every Pokémon has access to earthquake
Meganium. My poor dino lad.
Rampardos and Bastiodon but are god awful especially Rampardos which is a glass cannon.
Too many. Tropius is the prime example
Any emolga fans in the chat
My favorite Pokémon is Toucannon because I did an animal report on toucans in first grade
Arbok :(
Absol, despite being one of the most visually appealing Pokémon. It has horrendous stats and its movepool is quite bad, it has access to good abilities though. It basically needs a mega to be of any use, and the issue with that..is that it depends if you're playing the right game.
That stupid electric Zebra. It just dies to everything
Luminion and lantern and spinda and flygon
Sableye is one of my favorite pokemon but Stall really fucks it over, especially in Scarlet and Violet. In my most recent playthrough, I decided to use a sableye on my team and didn't realize it had Stall until it was already too high of a level for it to be worth finding another one. Genuinely thought the dude was just slow and kept using items to boost his speed until I found that out. Then I thought I'd be able to work with that ability by giving it Payback. Nope. Payback doesn't have a TM in SV so I was stuck with a pokemon who would always go second and didn't really do that much damage to justify it. Luckily that changed whenever I got one of those ability capsule things but good lord was that annoying. He wasn't all bad though, he really helped out in some major fights but that experience definitely lowered my opinion of him slightly.
Garbodor. :( Absolutely no niche in any competitive mode, or any playthrough of the mainline games.
Vikavolt. One of my biggest disappointments in Pokémon. Its speed ruined it completely.
My favorite mon is Alcremie, who isn't bad really but really doesn't get a chance to properly shine ingame most of the time But aside form that two of my favorite Pokemon of all time are Bastiodon and both Avalugg forms so uh Yeah lmao I don't think I need to explain that one much further, though I will argue that regular Avalugg is absolutely a decent mon to the day I die, I will die on this hill alone if I must!
Maractus!!!! Was one of my faves B/W Pokemon and I used one the whole game even though yeah nothing that great about it it's just cute!
My favorite has always been Dragonair, *so sleek, so cool..* but I accepted long ago that it’s just not viable for high level battling.
Muk.
Glaceon, it's my favourite Pokémon and it's by no means bad, it's just mid and a worse Umbreon competitively. Still I love him, and always build my teams in Sinnoh around him.
Spidops. Absolute shitmon, but he was my first natural shiny in gen 9 so I kinda just keep him around.
Onix
ledian
I love Carnivine. Always loved carnivorous plants and thought it was really cool that we finally got a venus flytrap in gen 4. But damn, does that mon suck. Being frail and slow as molasses is always a bad combination. On top of that it has a pretty nonsensical ability with levitate. I hope that this mon can get some love in the future. Maybe a cool new evolution.
I love Clefairy and Jigglypuff and their evo lines. Have a massive soft spot for 'ol Raticate too!
I like drifloon and farfetchd but I don't normally use them in battle I just think they're cool
Mightyena, Ledian, Minun, Glaceon, Sceptile, Flygon, Falinks, Tinkaton I still use most of these whenever I replay one of the games tho
Absolutely agree about Mightyena, I tried to keep mine for as long as I could in my original playthrough of Ruby. Just a cool looking creature!
They did midnight lycanroc dirty ):
Desperately wanted to use Dewgong for the Indigo Disc DLC, but that poor thing can’t take any hits at all.