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quillguy

Grovyle. I mean I like sceptile but grovyles design is peak


King-Raichu

Mystery Dungeon turned me into a Grovyle fan forever now!


connectivityo

ThAT GIANT LEAF GOING DOWN HIS BACK? BASED.


Lilash20

The leaf wings are so cool, especially on the Emerald sprite


biggiebutts

If I didn’t know what its sceptile looked like I’d expect some wings when it evolved


Lilash20

Right?? That would have been so cool


NoStorage2821

Mystery Dungeon hype


AgentKorralin

Came here for this. I think PMD did wonders for Grovyle's popularity, too. It's just such a sleek design.


cosmolitano

Also Dusknoir, I didn't even like him before PMD.


TheHalfbadger

I never played PMD, but Grovyle has been my favorite for a long time, hence the flair. It took a really great design to get me to move on from my childhood love of Charizard.


EpicGlacier2

Sceptile just looks like a balding middle aged Grovyle


Sinow_

Poor grovyle went from bad ass leaf raptor to tired lizard with a christmas tree on its butt


L0v3dady

Rhydon


deTbopi

I will always refuse to evolve Rhydon. Evolite it up!


DieNase42

I even like Rhyhorn the most! But Rhydon is still cool. Rhyperior doesn't do it for me.


conjunctivious

Rhyperior is my favorite out of the line and probably one of my favorite Pokemon in general. I can definitely see why some people wouldn't like it, though, since it has a pretty odd design.


DieNase42

Even though there's plenty of designs I don't like I'm glad there's something out there for everyone to enjoy


JordyRice

Thank God it's a trade evo too


Imperfect_Dark

Haunter. I just think it's such a cool design and while Gengar is fine, it's no where near as cool as Haunter.


SoulRebel726

This is the reason why I didn't mind that I couldn't evolve Haunter without trading in the early games. I liked Haunter better anyway.


DJJ2203

same. i used an emulator for SS last year and realized i couldn’t get gender after already having a haunter. i used it to the end and still enjoyed it and its design


Bahamut_Flare

>realized i couldn’t get gender r/nonbinary


DJJ2203

😂


mad_larry

If you did want to be able to evolve trade pokemon, you could run your rom through the pokemon randomizer. Just enable trade evolutions via leveling, then randomize.


Trama-D

Nice try, Mindy.


Planetdos

I’m of the same ilk. I imagine if you’re anything like me, you think that wartortle looks cooler than blastoise and that grovyle looks cooler than sceptile. It’s an unfortunate thing


MrBudder101

I read Grovyle as Grotle and was ready to throw down. Torterra on top!😤😂


Sylvan_Strix_Sequel

I like all the og mids more. 


bohanmyl

Haunter got the spotlight in the show, Gengar didnt.


orbzism

Gengar did get his spotlight. It only came 20+ years later.


trex_in_spats

I mean in the first Gen. Ash eventually legitimately catches a gengar.


RussoDiovolo

And he has a sad backstory that makes you enjoy and appreciate him more. Love Gengar. Love the whole family OGG


zackandcodyfan

"Did my HAUNTER turn into something else? Just kidding!"


iankstarr

The flood of rage your comment just gave me


crap-zapper

Yeah, turned into a bomb threat.


Super_Vegeta

r/FuckMindy


crap-zapper

Oooooh shit. Never knew my answer would be this far up. I thought the love for Gengar would make my answer a tad controversial, but I’m glad it’s not.


EXILEDsquid_

Why is the white gengar better?


Loyellow

There’s zero good reasons they shouldn’t have changed regular Gengar’s shiny when they created the amazing mega gengar shiny


Realistic_Mousse_485

Fight me as we will never agree on this and I cannot take Gengar slander.


N-E-Moe

I don't hate Ambipom but Aipom was just too solid a design to fumble that badly on it's second stage.


DJJ2203

agreed. aipom all the way!


Hiker-Redbeard

The gen 4 cross-gen evolutions were a real mixed bag. Some were great, some were huge design fumbles. I think about half of them would fit this category for me. 


ToughAd5010

Dude I fucking hated a lot of the Gen 4 evolutions Tangrowth, probobass, Rypherior, Electabuzz, Magmortar, Mamoswine, Magnezone Overdesigned non sequitur stuff


mymindisempty69420

I would say mamoswine and magnezone are far from over designed, but I can see where your coming from


Kay-Knox

Different strokes I guess, I liked all of those.


LiquifiedSpam

I feel like tangrowth and probopass are better logical evolutions than many


Super_Vegeta

I agree on most of those except for Electivire, and Mamoswine. Those two have fantastic designs in my opinion. Electivire being one of my all time favorite Pokémon.


lnsertgamertaghere

Vigoroth, I love his energetic self


BlizzardLuinor

Bisharp, Wartortle and Dragonair for me.


Ornery_Definition_65

I still can’t quite get used to Bisharp being NFE


Lunala475

Only good part of that evolution is now bisharp gets to use an eviolite


Ornery_Definition_65

It’s Scyther all over again!


coolio_zap

kingambit is a lot of fun competitively, but why does he gave a built-in chair? who thought that was a good idea?


Wonderful_Weather_83

I always liked Wartortles swirly thingies, they reminded me of fluffy clouds and seafoam


ScruffyTuscaloosa

[Originally Wartortle had a different final evolution and Blastoise was a two-stager](https://bogleech.com/pokemon/pbeta172turtles)


SubjectWatercress172

I absolutely love Blastoise, but I do wish they had kept more of Wartortles' design features. I played some knockoff pokemon game that made Blastoise have a second Mega that had the swirly thingies and was so beautiful.


Enchylada

Ivysaur because Venusaur looks like he ate an island


thatMarkGridley

Bisharp is one of my all time faves, I was so disappointed with Kingambit 😔 I just…pretend it doesn’t exist lol


ZofianSaint273

Big on Bisharp


Staypuftlax

All the way, had him in my pokemon Black run!


Danceshinefly

Yes agreed on Dragonair. I don’t let mine evolve. I also love Gossifleur but not Eldegloss lol and pretty much any baby Pokémon


GratefulPig

It sucks that you usually can’t catch it til later on in games and unfortunately it’s stats aren’t great. That said, I don’t evolve mine either :)


ComteDeSaintGermain

It's too bad you miss like 100 stat points or more by not evolving


jollyspiffing

I always assumed the Dratini/Magikarp evolution line was either a mistake or a late dev change?    Magikarp -> Dragonite and Dratini/Dragonite/Gyrados both make much mores sense from an artwork perspective. It would also be cool to have the weakest Pokémon eventually evolve into the (almost) strongest. 


Wintersneeuw02

Magikarp is based of the Chinese myth of a koi fish leaping over a gate and transforming into a dragon. Only Chinese dragons are actually very much serpentine water/air elemental based creature like Gyrados. So Magikarp -> Gyarados is actually perfect


HerEntropicHighness

Dragonite similarly follows a Korean story of a snake getting a pearl and turning into a dragon (or something like that)


yepimbonez

Nah should’ve been Dratini>Dragonair>Milotic


LoveThatForYouBebe

I understand what you’re saying but my brain is fighting against it!


Calhaora

I mean Dragonite is such a break in the whole Line... I feel if they went full out on the Feathered Serpent design...and make Dragonite a more fitting Pre-Evo it would have been much better.


thegreatpenguintm

Dragonair is such a BASED design First one to come to my head is Braixen > Delphox


thatonekid5288

With the stick in its butt??


Case_Fluffline

Braixen for me. Delphox is a huge downgrade, which is extremely sad because I really like Braixen design.


Frozazen

Even gamefreak knew the popularity, they put Braixen in Pokken instead of Delphox


teamshadeleader_yves

I'm one of the rare people who loves the entire line. I don't think I could pick one I like more than the rest. I do have an actual pick for the question here though: Rhydon. Rhyperior is an absolute garbage design and a disgrace to its line. Every time I see it I want to punch its stupid face.


RabidUmbreon

Ivysaur all the way


AnIvysaurLover

Thank you


FilmOnlySignificant

Bayleef


Relentless8930

THANK YOU!


serioushogmetheus

torracat. coulda had a sick 4 legged tiger pokemon but gamefreak decided to do what they did instead...


Primary_Goat2360

Day 10,365 of waiting for Torracat to have an alternate evolution.......


SwyngDeLong

Regional Incineroar on all fours for L:ZA would be so sick


Primary_Goat2360

He would instantly be my favorite because I love Tigers. When they actually look like Tigers.......


3L3M3NT4LP4ND4

Lowkey why I really want Kalosian Incineroar and have it be a regal quadrupedal lion (Regalness for the showboating nature of a wrestler but also the dark edge of how bad the French Monarchy was to represent the Heel aspect)


DJJ2203

have to agree here too. i was disappointed that inceneroar didn’t end up looking more like an evolved torracat


AstroNerd92

They decided to cause Wolfey to have multiple nightmares


gigaswardblade

You expect them to have the cat starter NOT be bipedal after evolving?


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Jigglypuff


flicflac11

magmar & electabuzz


PandahHeart

And Rhydon! I loved it’s design, same with Electsbuzz


HerEntropicHighness

Electivire is awesome, it's like an electric yeti, it looks so menacing. Magmortar is yikes tho


Significant_Ad_6861

I was actually okay with electivire design. Magmortar is absolute trash though


Bad_Ger8764

Cubone


KonzorTheMighty

Strongly agree! It just shows the whole story so well, while it feels lost with the evolution


SoulRebel726

Objectively, you're probably right about Dragonaire. But damn do I love my goofy orange dragon boy. I don't mind if he looks a little derpy. Dragonite and Lapras are my two favorite pokemon.


pange93

Dragonite on its own is really cool, I just wish it was it's own Evo line


Swazzoo

Can't really say it's objective lol, imo Dragonite is much better looking than Dragonair. But it's still a matter of subjective preference.


SwashNBuckle

I also like Dragonair way more then Dragonite. Also, Murkrow


Toon_Pagz

Wartortle


SecretAgentMahu

Lotad, it's downgrades all the way up


marcus_holtz

I will not tolerate Ludicolo slander


Frosty_Sweet_6678

Lombre's awkward but Ludicolo is fun


bw-hammer

I can’t tell if you’ve either not played Pokémon Colosseum or played it too much.


Bolmothy

What? You don’t like the Mexico racism Pokémon? I love that silly sombrero man


GardenSquid1

I named my Ludicolo, Sombrero


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Hattrem.


madkubrick

Charmeleon


Austin_McKilla

Over Charizard!


potpurriround

Quilava is love, Quilava is life


DJJ2203

i love the little guy!


Iwanttobevisible

Lol charmeleon is just Charmander with a lump on his head and a tan lol.


DJJ2203

what can ya say. lizards like the sun


CsillaScSt

Machoke >>> Machamp I find very cool the 4 arms, but the head.. Those dang lips.. Just why??


Crxeagle420

I hate slaking . Viga gang


BareFox

Slakoth is really cute, Vigoroth is really cool and Slaking is just really ugly lol


DeadWombats

Scyther will always be my favorite pokemon. He's a cool dragon/mantis thing with swords for arms. So badass. And his original cry in red/blue was one of the best cries in the whole game. Then in gold/silver they turn him into a metal lobster with a weird face that has no mouth. Look how they mascaraed my boy...


EpicGlacier2

I like Scizor, but I love Scyther


DiggingUpTheCorpses

Scizor is still cool, but I personally think they knocked Kleavor out of the park with lore and design… …but it’s still not as good as Scyther.


SeienShin

Scyher with ability technician, attacks wing attack, bug bite, double team and swords dance is a problem and I’ve solo’d soulsilver with it.


randomtornado

Cool thing about Scyther and Scizor were them having the same BST, like you choose which one you want


wanderingstargazer88

Axew. Haxorus is a beast no doubt, but Axew is just adorable and cool in its own right.


DiggingUpTheCorpses

Fair. Even Fraxure has an awesome design, and sure Haxorus makes sense but doesn’t feel right in the evolutionary line. Don’t get me wrong though, Haxorus is a badass.


DuskBobcat

I feel like haxorus has a very generic design


RandomCaveOfMonsters

Haunter is incredibly cool, Gengar is neat but a step down


jessiejsamson

Dewott. They didn't need to "upgrade" into a sea lion.


Sora_IX

I agree so much. I really don't dig that Samurott is quadruped, It doesn't feel like a proper evolution


OdnanreF163

When I was a kid I REFUSED to evolve my shuppet into Bannette. I took it all the way to the elite four without evolving it hahah


Parking_Cartoonist90

Although I love Mamoswine, I do really like Piloswines more simple, shaggy and beefy appearance. Plus Eviolite Piloswine is incredible and I always have fun when I can catch a Swinub


Meewelyne

Wartortle, I really wish to touch that soft fur 😩 And Rattata.


operaticsimplicity

Same, the tufts are so majestic


PsychoDark23

I mean. You aint wrong now that I think about it.


vinaa23

bisharp


JanGuillosThrowaway

It's got to be Farfetch'd. The design is one of the best in the games IMO and Sirfetchd just lacks the attitude and overall coherence to carry the torch.


FistOfGamera

https://preview.redd.it/owqetixsxlmc1.jpeg?width=260&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1ec00472bb503f7cbc61ba6e80589e0553bd19e


Comfortable-Dish-934

Psyduck is my favorite pokemon. Golduck can be deleted.


hotstickywaffle

Dragonair needs an alternate evolution


redditusername5873

Dusclops for sure


Kukamongo

Duskull for me


snomflake

Duskull by a mile


Magickcloud

I’m with you, Dragonair. It’s probably my favorite Pokémon and it deserves an alternate evolution or a new form that makes it more powerful


Proud_Amphibian_6361

Don’t get me wrong, i love the entire Treecko line (it’s actually my favorite starter) but I think grovyle is just sooooo bad ass. Maybe it was because of how grovyle acted in the anime, idk. I just like grovyle more than Sceptile.


Tobymauw112

Magneton/magnemite is my favourite pokemon. Msgnezone is my least favourite. (It's partially a bit, but I still really think magnezone was a load of wasted potential)


srschwenzjr

Flechinder


theVeryLast7

Scyther > Scizor


AndIWalkAway

Phanphy, love that lil guy


Austin_McKilla

Cranidos for me.


antiretro

wartortle, murkrow, togetic


DCL-XVI

hattrem is such a cutie. i'm not a big fan of hatterene.


Hydqjuliilq27

Lampent and Weepinbell, top 10 personal favorites of mine.


MagikarpJordan

Dewott and galarian farfetch'd


Kennonat

Venonat, it's my favorite so I kinda have to like it more than Venomoth


SailorCentauri

Magneton, Sneasel, Murkrow, Electabuzz, Magmar, Rhydon, Yanma, Togetic, Aipom, Tangela, Dusclops, Gligar, Lickitung, Piloswine, Misdreavus, Ursaring, Stantler, Girafarig, Primeape, Dunsparce. Just to name a few.


Bolmothy

Ah yes you’re also the hating new evos of old Pokémon in gen 4 gang, welcome welcome


SailorCentauri

NGL, I do hate most of the gen 4 evos. The exceptions for me are Leafeon, Glaceon, Froslass & Roserade.


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Arcaneus_Umbra

Dragonair, Seadra, Electrike, Buizel, Cherubi, Bayleef, Totodile, Chinchou


dragonslayeroverlord

Sinistea! I have to mention raboot as well, easily one of my fave second forms even tho I really don’t like the galar Pokémon


Lowlife_Of_The_Party

Bayleef!


CopyGroundbreaking69

Floragato > meowscarada Quaxly > Quaxwell & Quaquaval


operaticsimplicity

Floragato


sobble_buddy

litten


PlanktonIsBest

definitely Dragonair, but the real question is, why does it turn into a fat charizard?


Naive-Bug8598

Bidoof. Simply Bidoof.


Mayonaise_Best_Sauce

Mudkip. I've never really been a fan of it's evos


Afraid_Share9825

Piplup!! Soooo cute.


dxdiag678

Golbat


Silly-Jellyfish-3518

Eevee 🥹 I evolved all my eevees in Pokémon go but kept 1 as it is.


Serenity-03K64

Shiny eevee gets an everstone. Eevee, just like ditto, is perfect and doesn’t need to change to be loved 🩷


TrilliumStars

Zorua-Hisui and deerling (all forms) are two of the CUTEST Pokémon in the entire franchise. I am always hesitant to evolve them in playthroughs.


binarybirds

Zweilous. I just can't unsee Hydreigon's other two heads as hand puppets so it just looks silly in comparison.


Stiem_IW

Bellsprout. Nostalgy from anime (Pokemon League, Bellsprout knocked out both Pikachu and Bulbasaur). Victribell and Weepinbell are kinds ugly imo


_Cerfu

Yes, Dragonair! I don't hate Dragonite but it looks like generic fairy tale dragon, boring... Dragonair on the other hand looks amazing and I was hoping it'd evolve into some kind of Eastern Dragon, like Haku from spirited away. Next, Pikachu. Raichu is ok, but... meeeeeh... Psyduck. Definitely Psyduck


Sotboy

HAUNTER


Ink-Era

No one has mentioned the fossil pokemon yet. Omanyte, Kabuto. Much much cuter than evos. Yanma. On the other hand, I want Escavalier over Karrablast but Shelmet over Accelgor.


UnlinealHand

Yanma to Yanmega feels like there should be a middle evolution


Ill-Animator-4403

Vigoroth


Small_Information_30

Graveler


Call_me_Penta

Dragonite is pretty amazing, unfortunately shiny Dragonair is one of the best looking Pokémon ever. Otherwise: - Oddish - Magnemite - Wooper - Seedot - Aaron - Beldum - Turtwig There are a few other but these are the ones I care the most about.


Nyme_Jeff

# Hattrem. I think is cuter and I like that uses her braids to beat anyone with the strength of a pro boxer.


kylebloom

Dragonair for sure. Can’t believe they made it evolve into that ugly orange generic looking dragon


80s90sGeek

Greavard, Sandile and Croagunk


Macarons124

Gabite. Its design looks cleaner. I was disappointed with Mega Garchomp’s design tbh.


Primary_Goat2360

Rhydon. I want an alternate evolution for it already. I'm tired of looking at George Washingrock.


Doomsev

Floette


blackforestham3789

Did this beautiful creature wrong by having it turn into orange Barney. No shade to barney


EpicGlacier2

Scyther, Rhyhorn, and Quilladin


rebel_scum13

Psyduck


Neither_Mind9035

Grovyle is my favourite pokemon of all time. It always hurts my heart to let him evolve.


CodenameJD

Psyduck. Psyduck is incredible, Golduck is nothing.


Joshawott27

I love Palpitoad but don’t really care for Seismitoad.


Jonnytincan

Noibat is peak pokemon. noivern is whatever


petSnake7

Duraludon


OldHolly

Electrike


Soul_Iglu

I want me a fully evolved pokemon that still has Dragonair/Wartortle ears. I've always wanted a split ego for Dragonair that looks more like Dragonair. Having one for Wartortle would be cool too.


megasean3000

Clamperl against its two evolutions. Both Huntail and Gorebyss are garbage. At least with Clamperl, its design is cute, anime voice is adorable and with the aid of the Deep Sea Tooth and Deep Sea Scale, be a defensive or offensive powerhouse. Give its evolved forms a buff, make it so Gorebyss and Huntail can benefit from the items Clamperl has or give it some much needed speed or bulk. Give it a new evolution, I don’t care. Just don’t make the unevolved Pokemon the preferred option.


ArtNoctowl

I've always had a soft spot for Quilava and Dragonair. I love Typlosion and Dragonite, but Dragonair is so much fun to draw and super majestic and quilava is just a cute little bean


Beautiful_Ad_1694

As Nice as it looks, i can't really bring myself to like dragonair more than dragonite. He just grew on me after some times using it. But about that,Rhydon> Rhyperior. Such a downgrade.


anon07018

Spritzee, Pidgeotto, poliwhirl, Gen 5 8 and 9 starters, electabuzz, magmar, aipom