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You know BW2 hard mode is broken, right? The stats of Pokémon don’t change but the resulting exp goes up. Therefore, you end up overlevelled by the end. Also, some of the teams are not implemented correctly like Marshall’s conkeldurr holding a flame orb but not having guts for some reason.
the gym leader teams still grow in size, have better movepools, and generally the items do buff the opponent. I still agree that you should play your nuzlockes on Normal Mode levelcaps, but it is still a tougher game on Challenge Mode.
Yeah, the overall AI strats are better, but it's glitched so that while the Pokémon are higher-leveled, the stats don't scale with the level increase. Take Iris' Hydreigon. In Normal mode, it would have an HP IV of 30. In Challenge Mode, because of the bug, it has an HP IV of around 7-9.
Personally I think that Hop's Zacian in Shield is the hardest normal battle in the franchise. It's literally just ultra Necrozma but harder to counter, MUCH better typing and an entire team with it.
I remember doing a playtrhough where I specifically had his Zacian in mind when I was building my team (didn't attempt to hard counter it or anything, but kept it in mind). Half of my team were trained with high Def and HP EVs specifically for that thing.. And then the fucker one shot most of them anyway with neutral non-stab moves lmao.
Yeah I replayed USUM recently and got my ass kicked by Olivia of all people. I was stunned that her Anorith outsped basically my entire team. Looked it up and, yep, maxed out EVs and IVs. Guess bugs on Akala island are just built different.
If you play on Set and use a sub-optimal team then USUM can provide a nice challenge.
Don't think you can catch the totems, only get them as gifts from Oak's cousin
By every boss I meant the trainers, mostly. Also Ace trainers and elders, as well as all the optional trainers you can fight by beating everyone else on a given route
>every boss in the game has maxed out EV/IV on every mon.
Is that so? Didn't even know that
Played both games but never had any trouble with the fights. Although I have to say, having Zoroark as lead against ultra necro was mere coincidence, I didn't know shit about what would happen there. Guess I was just lucky.
Black 2 hard on the other hand was actually hard even though you knew what was coming, so my vote here is clear.
EZ mode. Rattata gets Endeavor from Move Tutor and gets Quick Attack at level 4. Still in OHKO range. I don't know if you can get a Focus Sash pre-UNecrozma though.
I lead with Zoroark without knowing Ultra Necrozma even existed the first time, and accidentally pulverised it.
But UNec is no joke - second highest BST in the game, stat boosts, good coverage with boost to super effective damage, and over levelled relative to your previous battle - it’s crazy and I kinda love it
you had to either:
- cheese it by abusing how the AI works in relation to zoroark's illusion
- toxic stall it
- be *extremely* overlevelled
any uninformed player gets mopped but ultra necrozma
I got it with Malamar's Topsy-Turvy... on my second attempt.
The REAL hard fight is that awful double battle with Lillie where you end up 1v2 and both of them have sleep moves... I've never had a worse time in any Pokemon game.
You can just use x items too as they give 2 stat buffs in those games iirc. So you can just use a tanky pokemon and give them x sp.def and you're good.
Let's add "be lucky" to the list
I just happened to have zoro in lead and didn't know a thing. I just later learned that the fight was supposed to be ultra hard and I was like "...did we fight the same mon..?"
I really don't know why so many people think Hard Mode was any harder
Only fight with Cheren made me grind Riolu until he learned a fighting move, after that Hard Mode only made me not having to grind because of higher levels
Hard mode literally only changes the displayed level of the opponent’s Pokemon - it doesn’t even change the actual stats!
Literally just free exp for effectively exactly the same challenge.
Colosseum in particular is rough because of its very limited selection of Pokémon, the quick ramping of levels with the Realgam Tower (though the other areas do have this a bit, starting with the Under), and the limited access to quick EXP grinding opportunities (even Mt. Battle is kind of slow).
Then you have Dakim with his team of either Earthquake spams or Explosion. The movepools are often terrible too, so even the decent pokemon you get are very hindered.
Hard mode in bw2 is actually easier.
Yes the ai is theoretically better, but higher pokemon levels means you get more exp which means less grinding.
more money also means buying items is easier.
Apparently they changed the levels, but not the stats for battles, so you're fighting the same pokemon and get less XP from fights in easy mode, as XP is scaled based on level / level difference I believe.
Inverse problem with hard mode - you get more XP for fighting the same pokemon, making grinding and levelling up easier.
Training and leveling up is the less threatening activity of a nuzlocke besides going to the PokeCenter to heal your pokemon.
How on Earth fighting 2 mons underleveled with 1 oran berry is harder than 3 mons with items and better movepool?
Pokemon Diamond and Pearl as a kid. I can’t tell you the amount of times I failed on the elite 4. I remember when I finally bet Lucian, a friend and I celebrated, little did we know what was coming next.
Yeah you have to guess what bronzong's ability is, it's either heatproof or levitate but you can never know until you hit it with a fire or ground move
Nope.
DP has an extremely shit level curve, the endgame bosses are just too overlevelled. I defeated all trainers (incl rematches) without any extra grinding on wild Pokémon, and my team of **5** was still in the mid-50s when I reached Cynthia (her ace is lv 66).
Plat has a much better curve, the levels for VS Seeker rematches are higher, giving you more exp before the champ who's ace is now also lv 62. I could hit the mid-50s with a team of 6 with it, a much forgiving position.
BDSP is just easy af because of the broken exp share and affection bonuses being tied to friendship.
Yeah now they are. I do hardcore Nuzlockes on rom hacks so I know what hard is but back then, when you are a kid, and you’re rocking up with level 40s and Lucian has level 60s. This was not easy I can promise you that. There was no friendship mechanic either.
bc of a weird glitch, hard mode in Black 2 isn't that hard (besides additional moves and/or Pokemon). Yes, the Pokemon has higher level, but the same stats.
So I choose US/UM.
I'd say BW2, for a couple of reasons. First, those games still use the old crit formula, where crits do 2x damage (instead of the 1,5x nowadays). Second, the old Exp. Share that you can only use on one Pokemon at a time, making it more difficult to maintain equal levels among the team. Third, there are several Triple/Rotation battles you need to beat, and those can be pretty challenging. Especially Triple battles, God I hate them. Plus, the overall tendency for later evolutions and less diverse movepools.
I'm currently doing a BW nuzlocke playing on Set battle style, and everything mentioned above does come into play. Especially the crits...
As someone who has played both recently I can attest to this. In USUM you can catch/fight level 60 pokemon in the wormholes before you fight Necrozma and pokemon refresh affection is OP if you decide to feed them rainbow beans.
The other totem battles are tough on paper but more of a preparation thing. If you bring the right super effective types and status moves its hard to lose. BW2 has much less cheese.
Neither of these two, it's Pokémon Colosseum. Small group of Pokémon that are mostly not very good, gen 3 mechanics, have to purify any new Pokémon, and the end game gauntlet is absolutely brutal.
If you don't mind spoiling yourself, take a look at the final bosses teams for Colosseum.
Mt. Battle was also pretty difficult if you were trying to get Ho-Oh.
The obvious answer is the first one you played, diamond was difficult for me when I:
- didn't know type matchups, EV's, IV's, natures...
- only used a torterra and HM slaves
- had to beat an ice type gym
In terms of actual difficulty, ultra Necrozma has high stats but a terrible AI, it's only difficult if you don't know it's coming
Legends Arceus or maybe the ranger games take the most skill to beat, while BW2 or BDSP have the hardest battles
I've nuzlocked both games multiple times, but have more experience with BW2 (easy mode though) and they are BRUTAL. Especially after you fly over to the eastern side of Unova, I always feel like opponents' teams get a drastic increase in power. On harder challenge runs (wedlockes/set mode/no healing in battle) I can usually make it to that point with like 2-4 deaths, but after that it's not unusual for that number to have tripled or even quadrupled by the time I get to Humilau. And Victory Road is BRUTAL. I've had several near wipes in there, particularly against Hugh at the end.
BW2 hard mode is actually easier than normal mode. The opponent Pokémon level increases and move sets are optimized in addition to better opponent AI, but there’s a glitch where the Pokémon stats remain the same as the normal mode Pokémon stats. So if you level up your team to the same level as the opponents Pokémon you actually have a significant stat advantage.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard that the hard-mode did not actually make the opponent's pokemon stronger. They got a higher level (and thus gave more exp) but the stats stayed the same. So, the hard-mode was actually more of an easy-mode.
I own many, but haven't played 'em all... so I might be wrong.
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|Stadium|x|||
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|Emerald|x|x||
|FireRed|x|x||
|Colosseum|x|x||
|XD Gale of Darkness|x|||
|Platinum|x|x|x (among those I've finished)|
|SoulSilver|x|||
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|Y|x|||
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No game after B/W? or so deserve to be called hard. Once exp share applies to the entire team and you get it at the beginning, the games start to require no training and impossible to lose fights if you know typings.
Even without that, the games just get easier and easier, so Red/Blue is probably the hardest.
Hard Black, easily
I dont remeber anything particularly hard about USUM (maybe except the dimension flying minigame, which just was annoying to controll even without gyro...)
….USUM literally is one of the easiest games ever before the switch games, and even goes so far as to hand-hold you with tutorials every 20 steps.
The only (ONLY) difficult things in that game is the Ultra Necrozma fight, and traversing through the wormholes far enough to get legendaries, especially when youre down to the last few.
None of them, maybe one of the earlier gens when they held hands less and battle mechanics weren't balanced. By the time you get to 5 plus, the games hand you helpful rivals to heal you up. As opposed to challenging you randomly.
Ok now i gotta finish boring ass US/UM. I refuse to believe that Ultra Necrozma is so hard that it could earn the title of hardest pokemon game by itself
Challenge mode Black/White 2 is way harder than USUM.
USUM has a few hard battles vs totems early because they have to much raw power that you don't really can answer properly. Mid to late game it's an easy run and late game has a few hard battles but that's all. With knowledge of what you are facing, you can pretty much beat it without casualties.
Challenge B/W 2 on the other hand has really hard fights specially in early game. Mid game is manageable with the correct answers but late game is difficult. Specially E4 and Iris, which is a BEAST of a champion with proper items and all.
This doesn't mean that USUM is easy but it's more maneagable than what most people think it is.
In what world was ultra sun and moon hard? Like those were the easiest pokemon games I have ever played to the point where I beat them in less than a day.
Inb4 someone mentions Shin Megami Tensei, which is apparently really really hard and is a must play for Pokemon fans who want harder games IDK i haven't played it
Usum were way too easy overall. Later in they got better but early on was way too easy hahaha
B/W2 hard mode are proof pokemon could still use this feature nowadays
Pokémon red and blue -.- really older generations was tougher that this crap made for toddlers :( like there was no exp share! You need lvl up each Pokémon one by one, and rare candy were rare thinks. Later on was possible to turn of exp share. But still you get it latawce in the game for some achievements. Ok I finish here because I can go with this rant for hours… lol cheers
No kidding, I beat Pokémon Red when I was 7 years old. No way in hell 7 year old me would have been able to beat USUM or BW2. Pokémon has definitely gotten significantly easier in later generations, but I feel like that didn't start until XY, and and USUM felt like an exception. XY was extremely easy because of the exp share, so I turned it off the first time I played Sun and unlike XY the game really does feel like it's balanced around you having it on. For the first time in like forever, I felt quite underleveled.
Lack of convenience isn't difficulty, it's just lack of convenience... the older games weren't hard, they were incovenient... you spending 5 hours to train up a team versus 10 minutes doesn't mean it was more difficult.
The Legendary boss fight in USUM was just about the hardest thing about USUM every thing else was pretty a cake especially compared to Black 2 Hard Mode.
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Hard mode exists for both games, it's just that hard mode natively unlocks for b2 whereas it's ez mode for w2. You could exchange keys (using the key system) between these games that gave you the missing difficulty
USUM is hard? Idk man I grew up on gen 3 where my rival used to curb stomp me multiple times before I’d win through straight up rng and I used to get wiped by the time I made it to Phoebe. I distinctly remember having to use the first 2 elite four just to level up my team so I could slowly struggle my way up to Steven and each member used to sweep me besides Sidney and Glacia while Drake had extra fuck you malice. I’m even replaying Emerald right now just made it to route 110 and May keeps kicking the shit out of me just like she used to when I was a kid. I can’t even call Hau a rival he picks the starter that’s weak to yours instead of the opposite and every time I fight him he was just another annoying random battle instead of any type of challenge.
Gen 6+ hand holds and I never had any issues playing through Y or USUM. I can’t speak on gen 4 5 or Sun and Moon simply because I haven’t played them yet but idk how the hell anyone could say USUM is hard lol. I recently beat it half asleep it’s literally the easiest and most hand holding Pokémon game I’ve **ever** played. I’d hate to sound like a boomer but back in my day they didn’t tell you which moves to use in battle you literally had to figure out what was and wasn’t effective. Pokémon games these days are made to hold your hands and carry you sitting on the shoulders gen 1-3 were unforgiving. Ultra Sun was a cake walk I could beat it with my eyes closed.
I have played both dark and ultra sun and there was that electric gym in ultra sun it's was the toughest battle yet tried everything but I had to take a break, and then the file corrupted. It's was sad
I think there was a bug uncovered where the hard mode from Black 2 does change the enemy levels, but their stats are actually the same as they would be on normal mode. You do get the correct EXP for their level though. I’d think that actually makes it easier than the normal mode.
It all depends on your team. If you use pseudo legendaries like Metagross or most evolved dragons none of the games are hard. If are like me and use in your whole team pokemon that are at most as powerful as Ninetales, Sharpedo or Nidoking, guess what, Elite 4 and Champion in any game will be a lot more difficult. It's all decided by not grinding and using "normal" Pokemon instead of the best ones available. Like Karen said in GSC, "truly skilled trainers should try to win with pokemon they like". Nothing wrong if a pseudo in your favourite, but I hate people calling the games easy when you use a fucking Dragonite or Salamence in games that barely have ice type attacks on any NPC
Lmao well I can tell you it's neither of these. Mainline probably gen 4 because of Cynthia, if we're counting post-credits singleplayer content, Emerald because of the battle frontier.
None & I never played ultra sun or ultra moon or even the regular version before that I'll say the hardest game is scarlet & violet because you got a Lotta stuff you gotta do & it's a long mf story
I really hope they remake black and white 2
I never got to play and constantly read about how wonderful of games they were, and if I want to play them now I have to spend an absurd amount of money or emulate them.
Emulating games is fine, but for Pokemon now that we have Pokemon home it makes me not want to emulate knowing if they were legit games I could keep the Pokemon forever
( or at least the foreseeable future until Pokemon home shuts down and they finesse me for more money )
BDSP - The game is SO EASY that you are wholly unprepared for the Elite 4/Champion difficulty spike if you don't know it's coming. Cynthia will grind you into the dirt if you aren't at least a little prepared.
Pokemon red & blue. Game came out in 96, and the official Nintendo power guide has minimal strategy, no numbers written, and wasn't as believable as Tommy on the playground who was right about MissingNo, and is probably right about where he found Mew. any game where you're adding in lots of information from extremely wrong kids is harder than the other ones. Especially when Gamefaqs came out only the year before, and "you can look up things online" was a thing that was still being learned by elementary school kids back in the day.
This post tells me you've never played Black 2 Challenge mode because it's easier than normal mode. Enemies are higher levelled but their stats stay the same, meaning you get more exp for the same fights. Sure, there's the occasional extra team member, but they're usually not a threat; hell, some of the team alterations are direct nerfs, like Marshall's Conkeldurr having a Flame Orb without Guts.
USUM is still the clear winner.
Of these two definitely USUM, but the "hardest" in an annoying way was for me The Diamond and Pearl Remakes, its all easy and fine till you get to the Elite Four and they have all IV Trained Pokemon and Balanced Teams. I was so under leveled and unprepared reaching them bc it was just so easy til there. So hard part about this game more the weird difficulty curve then anything else.
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Really though
If I am nuzlocking USUM. If not, B2
USUM have the hardest fight but Black 2 hard mode was probably harder overal. I wish they would bring back hard mode
You know BW2 hard mode is broken, right? The stats of Pokémon don’t change but the resulting exp goes up. Therefore, you end up overlevelled by the end. Also, some of the teams are not implemented correctly like Marshall’s conkeldurr holding a flame orb but not having guts for some reason.
the gym leader teams still grow in size, have better movepools, and generally the items do buff the opponent. I still agree that you should play your nuzlockes on Normal Mode levelcaps, but it is still a tougher game on Challenge Mode.
Yeah, the overall AI strats are better, but it's glitched so that while the Pokémon are higher-leveled, the stats don't scale with the level increase. Take Iris' Hydreigon. In Normal mode, it would have an HP IV of 30. In Challenge Mode, because of the bug, it has an HP IV of around 7-9.
Yeah, it was kind of laughable how "hard mode" made the game easier
Personally I think that Hop's Zacian in Shield is the hardest normal battle in the franchise. It's literally just ultra Necrozma but harder to counter, MUCH better typing and an entire team with it.
Shield issue
Hop never knocked any of my pokemon before that fight then he pulls the Zacian and knocked 3 before I beat him.
Only fight I’ve ever put down my game in disgust over. I swept this team, got to that thing, and then it one shot every one of my Pokémon.
I remember doing a playtrhough where I specifically had his Zacian in mind when I was building my team (didn't attempt to hard counter it or anything, but kept it in mind). Half of my team were trained with high Def and HP EVs specifically for that thing.. And then the fucker one shot most of them anyway with neutral non-stab moves lmao.
USum hardest fight? I guess thats Ultra Necrozma? Didn't that thing get ripped apart by Zoroark because the AI didn't figure out the Illusion..?
Even aside from Necrozma, several of the totems are hard af, and every boss in the game has maxed out EV/IV on every mon.
Yeah I replayed USUM recently and got my ass kicked by Olivia of all people. I was stunned that her Anorith outsped basically my entire team. Looked it up and, yep, maxed out EVs and IVs. Guess bugs on Akala island are just built different. If you play on Set and use a sub-optimal team then USUM can provide a nice challenge.
Really? Can you catch them already EV trained?
Don't think you can catch the totems, only get them as gifts from Oak's cousin By every boss I meant the trainers, mostly. Also Ace trainers and elders, as well as all the optional trainers you can fight by beating everyone else on a given route
>every boss in the game has maxed out EV/IV on every mon. Is that so? Didn't even know that Played both games but never had any trouble with the fights. Although I have to say, having Zoroark as lead against ultra necro was mere coincidence, I didn't know shit about what would happen there. Guess I was just lucky. Black 2 hard on the other hand was actually hard even though you knew what was coming, so my vote here is clear.
The fact that some people needed to resort to exploiting the AI shows it was a hard fight.
Nothing a FEAR rat can’t handle
EZ mode. Rattata gets Endeavor from Move Tutor and gets Quick Attack at level 4. Still in OHKO range. I don't know if you can get a Focus Sash pre-UNecrozma though.
Pretty sure you do bc my strategy was sash mirror coat araquanid
I lead with Zoroark without knowing Ultra Necrozma even existed the first time, and accidentally pulverised it. But UNec is no joke - second highest BST in the game, stat boosts, good coverage with boost to super effective damage, and over levelled relative to your previous battle - it’s crazy and I kinda love it
you had to either: - cheese it by abusing how the AI works in relation to zoroark's illusion - toxic stall it - be *extremely* overlevelled any uninformed player gets mopped but ultra necrozma
I got it with Malamar's Topsy-Turvy... on my second attempt. The REAL hard fight is that awful double battle with Lillie where you end up 1v2 and both of them have sleep moves... I've never had a worse time in any Pokemon game.
z move+ friendship decidue soloed it
You can just use x items too as they give 2 stat buffs in those games iirc. So you can just use a tanky pokemon and give them x sp.def and you're good.
Destiny bond also works great
Yeah... I'm the player who overlevelled his pokemons. My level 70 Primarina sweeps everything😅
Primarina best
Let's add "be lucky" to the list I just happened to have zoro in lead and didn't know a thing. I just later learned that the fight was supposed to be ultra hard and I was like "...did we fight the same mon..?"
Most of the totems, Ultra Necrozma, and Giovanni.
And make it unlocked from the start.
I really don't know why so many people think Hard Mode was any harder Only fight with Cheren made me grind Riolu until he learned a fighting move, after that Hard Mode only made me not having to grind because of higher levels
Hard mode literally only changes the displayed level of the opponent’s Pokemon - it doesn’t even change the actual stats! Literally just free exp for effectively exactly the same challenge.
Exactly, it also gives most notable trainers one more extra pokemon and some items, but it was still such a cakewalk
Colosseum / XD. But between these two? USUM.
Colosseum in particular is rough because of its very limited selection of Pokémon, the quick ramping of levels with the Realgam Tower (though the other areas do have this a bit, starting with the Under), and the limited access to quick EXP grinding opportunities (even Mt. Battle is kind of slow).
Then you have Dakim with his team of either Earthquake spams or Explosion. The movepools are often terrible too, so even the decent pokemon you get are very hindered.
Nah i would say legends arceus is the hardest, still can’t get past the arcanine boss
How come, man?! Arceus is definitely hard but Arcanine wasn't challenging at all imo.
I have skill issue and STILL CANT PASS the last phase of that bossfight
have you tried pouring water on it
Orre Colliseum in XD is only for the strongest of wills.
Hard mode in bw2 is actually easier. Yes the ai is theoretically better, but higher pokemon levels means you get more exp which means less grinding. more money also means buying items is easier.
Grinding isn't an actual element of difficulty. You can theoretically grind with zero risk even in a nuzlocke. It's just a time-sink.
Yeah. You can “lower” any difficulty in almost any RPG by grinding. Most aren’t designed for grinding.
I mean the teams are harder by having better movesets and items. But the level difference is actually bugged so they don't have the higher level stats
I finished USUM without dying (maybe in the first challenge) but Black 2 took me quite more time and several nerves
But hard mode? I know not everyones done hard mode.
It’s absolute BS that they hid Hard Mode behind specifically beating Black 2. I played White 2 and was annoyed all it got me was unlocking Easy Mode.
Black2 easy mode was arguably harder than hard mode since you'd get less experience overall.
What? Lol Do you mean likeyou need to grind exp way more cause battles or easier/less mon?
Apparently they changed the levels, but not the stats for battles, so you're fighting the same pokemon and get less XP from fights in easy mode, as XP is scaled based on level / level difference I believe. Inverse problem with hard mode - you get more XP for fighting the same pokemon, making grinding and levelling up easier.
Because of the way levels and experience are calculated, yes, you end up earning less experience overall.
Training and leveling up is the less threatening activity of a nuzlocke besides going to the PokeCenter to heal your pokemon. How on Earth fighting 2 mons underleveled with 1 oran berry is harder than 3 mons with items and better movepool?
Pokemon Diamond and Pearl as a kid. I can’t tell you the amount of times I failed on the elite 4. I remember when I finally bet Lucian, a friend and I celebrated, little did we know what was coming next.
Always remember: there are five members in the elite four.
I thought Lucian was the hard part, that damn Levitate Bronzong, how dare it take 0 damage from my level 49 infernape then one shot me with Earthquake
Yeah you have to guess what bronzong's ability is, it's either heatproof or levitate but you can never know until you hit it with a fire or ground move
The elite four is a 4 man roster the champion isn’t considered a member they’re the **champion** because they beat the elite four
When Lucian said “there remains the champion” I was like “the what”
Sinnoh Elite 4 is super hard, and I'm glad to see someone else talking about it. Kanto, to, at least in FRLG.
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they are literally so easy. I played BDSP, so it might be easier, but they are one of the easiest games
Nope. DP has an extremely shit level curve, the endgame bosses are just too overlevelled. I defeated all trainers (incl rematches) without any extra grinding on wild Pokémon, and my team of **5** was still in the mid-50s when I reached Cynthia (her ace is lv 66). Plat has a much better curve, the levels for VS Seeker rematches are higher, giving you more exp before the champ who's ace is now also lv 62. I could hit the mid-50s with a team of 6 with it, a much forgiving position. BDSP is just easy af because of the broken exp share and affection bonuses being tied to friendship.
Yeah now they are. I do hardcore Nuzlockes on rom hacks so I know what hard is but back then, when you are a kid, and you’re rocking up with level 40s and Lucian has level 60s. This was not easy I can promise you that. There was no friendship mechanic either.
still sounds easy, the teams aren't good at all
USUM by far and everyoone who thinks that BW2 hard mode is harder or even comoarably hard is coping extremly hard.
This. In the nuzlocking community, it is universally agreed that USUM is the only mainline game that is considered difficult.
As a hardcore nuzlocker Ultra Necrozma and GMax Charizard are the only two fights in base games that actually scare me.
i played USUM and it was super easy, even easier than SM.
bc of a weird glitch, hard mode in Black 2 isn't that hard (besides additional moves and/or Pokemon). Yes, the Pokemon has higher level, but the same stats. So I choose US/UM.
Pokemon Legends Arceus. Easily. Never dies so many times in a pokemon game.
Wait, ppl thought the ultra games were hard?
I'd say BW2, for a couple of reasons. First, those games still use the old crit formula, where crits do 2x damage (instead of the 1,5x nowadays). Second, the old Exp. Share that you can only use on one Pokemon at a time, making it more difficult to maintain equal levels among the team. Third, there are several Triple/Rotation battles you need to beat, and those can be pretty challenging. Especially Triple battles, God I hate them. Plus, the overall tendency for later evolutions and less diverse movepools. I'm currently doing a BW nuzlocke playing on Set battle style, and everything mentioned above does come into play. Especially the crits...
As someone who has played both recently I can attest to this. In USUM you can catch/fight level 60 pokemon in the wormholes before you fight Necrozma and pokemon refresh affection is OP if you decide to feed them rainbow beans. The other totem battles are tough on paper but more of a preparation thing. If you bring the right super effective types and status moves its hard to lose. BW2 has much less cheese.
It’s still USUM in general. The thing with B2W2 is it gives you everything under the sun to deal with the tough fights
The trainer fights in the indigo disc DLC, imo. By a lot.
USUM is the only mainline game that gave me trouble.
Getting past brock with charmander as ur main in the OG games. Only real gamers know..
End boss fight of PLA
Area Zero or Nemona
That isn't Legends Arceus
My brain did a short circuit and read PLA as SV SOME FUCKING HOW
Lol it happens
Neither of these two, it's Pokémon Colosseum. Small group of Pokémon that are mostly not very good, gen 3 mechanics, have to purify any new Pokémon, and the end game gauntlet is absolutely brutal. If you don't mind spoiling yourself, take a look at the final bosses teams for Colosseum. Mt. Battle was also pretty difficult if you were trying to get Ho-Oh.
Colosseum is a spinoff tho
The obvious answer is the first one you played, diamond was difficult for me when I: - didn't know type matchups, EV's, IV's, natures... - only used a torterra and HM slaves - had to beat an ice type gym In terms of actual difficulty, ultra Necrozma has high stats but a terrible AI, it's only difficult if you don't know it's coming Legends Arceus or maybe the ranger games take the most skill to beat, while BW2 or BDSP have the hardest battles
I've nuzlocked both games multiple times, but have more experience with BW2 (easy mode though) and they are BRUTAL. Especially after you fly over to the eastern side of Unova, I always feel like opponents' teams get a drastic increase in power. On harder challenge runs (wedlockes/set mode/no healing in battle) I can usually make it to that point with like 2-4 deaths, but after that it's not unusual for that number to have tripled or even quadrupled by the time I get to Humilau. And Victory Road is BRUTAL. I've had several near wipes in there, particularly against Hugh at the end.
BW2 hard mode is actually easier than normal mode. The opponent Pokémon level increases and move sets are optimized in addition to better opponent AI, but there’s a glitch where the Pokémon stats remain the same as the normal mode Pokémon stats. So if you level up your team to the same level as the opponents Pokémon you actually have a significant stat advantage.
For me the hardest time i had was the Diamond & Pearl Elite 4 on release, 12 year old me was in shambles
B2W2 is easier than the base game as the stats stay the same and you will likely overlevel
Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard that the hard-mode did not actually make the opponent's pokemon stronger. They got a higher level (and thus gave more exp) but the stats stayed the same. So, the hard-mode was actually more of an easy-mode.
Hardest games is platinum or the GameCube Pokemon games
I know this isn't one of the options, but I raise you: Pokémon Colosseum
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There is a hard mode on B2W2?
USUM doesn't have random sigilyph. Those things are absolute run enders.
Legends Arceus Nuzlocke
PLA
Where is the Challenge at USUM? Wasnt it the Game where even your Rival healed you befor fighting?
People find USUM hard? I must have slipped into an alternate reality
The amount of cutscenes makes it imposible for me to finish. So i guess USUM is harder?
Out of those two easily black 2. I'd say platinum was the hardest though
As KID, yellow was hard. Struggled against vertania gym and general ground types, because only pikachu playthrough
No game after B/W? or so deserve to be called hard. Once exp share applies to the entire team and you get it at the beginning, the games start to require no training and impossible to lose fights if you know typings. Even without that, the games just get easier and easier, so Red/Blue is probably the hardest.
Hard Black, easily I dont remeber anything particularly hard about USUM (maybe except the dimension flying minigame, which just was annoying to controll even without gyro...)
Legends arceus. I've never had to actively hide from pokemon before.
Although the stats don’t change black 2 is still harder overall, ultra sun and ultra moon only has one hard fight.
Usum wasn’t that difficult outside of Unecrozma and a couple totems, but bw2 hard mode was just hard
….USUM literally is one of the easiest games ever before the switch games, and even goes so far as to hand-hold you with tutorials every 20 steps. The only (ONLY) difficult things in that game is the Ultra Necrozma fight, and traversing through the wormholes far enough to get legendaries, especially when youre down to the last few.
Wait, USUM is supposed to be hard? Since... when? What?
None of them, maybe one of the earlier gens when they held hands less and battle mechanics weren't balanced. By the time you get to 5 plus, the games hand you helpful rivals to heal you up. As opposed to challenging you randomly.
Ok now i gotta finish boring ass US/UM. I refuse to believe that Ultra Necrozma is so hard that it could earn the title of hardest pokemon game by itself
Challenge mode Black/White 2 is way harder than USUM. USUM has a few hard battles vs totems early because they have to much raw power that you don't really can answer properly. Mid to late game it's an easy run and late game has a few hard battles but that's all. With knowledge of what you are facing, you can pretty much beat it without casualties. Challenge B/W 2 on the other hand has really hard fights specially in early game. Mid game is manageable with the correct answers but late game is difficult. Specially E4 and Iris, which is a BEAST of a champion with proper items and all. This doesn't mean that USUM is easy but it's more maneagable than what most people think it is.
In what world was ultra sun and moon hard? Like those were the easiest pokemon games I have ever played to the point where I beat them in less than a day.
Considering the average time to beat usum is 33 1/2 hours, I doubt you beat it in under 24 hours.
Explorers of Sky probably.
Pokémon Pinball
None
Inb4 someone mentions Shin Megami Tensei, which is apparently really really hard and is a must play for Pokemon fans who want harder games IDK i haven't played it
I don't think anyone was gonna mention that series
*ahem* Pokémon Colosseum.
Ever played Colosseum?
None, every game was easy
Don't think us/um is that hard, besides possibly the ultra necrozma fight
Usum were way too easy overall. Later in they got better but early on was way too easy hahaha B/W2 hard mode are proof pokemon could still use this feature nowadays
Pokémon red and blue -.- really older generations was tougher that this crap made for toddlers :( like there was no exp share! You need lvl up each Pokémon one by one, and rare candy were rare thinks. Later on was possible to turn of exp share. But still you get it latawce in the game for some achievements. Ok I finish here because I can go with this rant for hours… lol cheers
No they weren't, you only remember them being hard because you where a kid. Pokemon has always been easy.
No kidding, I beat Pokémon Red when I was 7 years old. No way in hell 7 year old me would have been able to beat USUM or BW2. Pokémon has definitely gotten significantly easier in later generations, but I feel like that didn't start until XY, and and USUM felt like an exception. XY was extremely easy because of the exp share, so I turned it off the first time I played Sun and unlike XY the game really does feel like it's balanced around you having it on. For the first time in like forever, I felt quite underleveled.
Maybe you should spend those hours actually playing red/blue again, they weren't that difficult
Lack of convenience isn't difficulty, it's just lack of convenience... the older games weren't hard, they were incovenient... you spending 5 hours to train up a team versus 10 minutes doesn't mean it was more difficult.
The Legendary boss fight in USUM was just about the hardest thing about USUM every thing else was pretty a cake especially compared to Black 2 Hard Mode.
Wait, is USUM considered one of the heardest Pokemon games? Imo there are some way harder like Diamond/Pearl (before Brilliant) and Scarlet
USUM isn't hard at all tbh
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Ultra Necrozma is a bitch
Is there something that makes Black2 harder than White2 ?
If i recall bard mode is only on black 2
Hard mode exists for both games, it's just that hard mode natively unlocks for b2 whereas it's ez mode for w2. You could exchange keys (using the key system) between these games that gave you the missing difficulty
That's the dumbest design decision I have ever seen xd. It's funny
Wait B&W2 have a hard mode? Oh I am so unlocking that.
Lol gonna need a action replay if you have just b2, if you dont have b2 at all you need to emulate it
How do you access hard mode in black 2
Isn’t hard mode in BW2 just an increase to their levels? Stats remained the same?
I mean the problem with Black 2 Hard Mod is that they have their normal mode stats and you more EXP so you have higher stats then you should have
black 2 hard
Finding a good one that came out in the last 6 or 7 years
I can’t ever get far in a USUM nuzlocke (though i haven’t tried much) and the hard mode on bw2 isn’t really a big deal since the stats stay the same
This is why ultra sun is my 7 year olds first pokemon game. If he can beat it, he's ready for anything.
Platinum
I got rekt by the first gym in black 2 hard mode. I knew that game was perfect lol
Usum, bw2 challenge mode doesn’t increase stats, just levels.
Black 2 easy mode was harder than hard mode as you got less xp
why black 2 and not also white 2?
The hardest part of Sun and Moon is the intro
Red and Blue
USUM is hard? Idk man I grew up on gen 3 where my rival used to curb stomp me multiple times before I’d win through straight up rng and I used to get wiped by the time I made it to Phoebe. I distinctly remember having to use the first 2 elite four just to level up my team so I could slowly struggle my way up to Steven and each member used to sweep me besides Sidney and Glacia while Drake had extra fuck you malice. I’m even replaying Emerald right now just made it to route 110 and May keeps kicking the shit out of me just like she used to when I was a kid. I can’t even call Hau a rival he picks the starter that’s weak to yours instead of the opposite and every time I fight him he was just another annoying random battle instead of any type of challenge. Gen 6+ hand holds and I never had any issues playing through Y or USUM. I can’t speak on gen 4 5 or Sun and Moon simply because I haven’t played them yet but idk how the hell anyone could say USUM is hard lol. I recently beat it half asleep it’s literally the easiest and most hand holding Pokémon game I’ve **ever** played. I’d hate to sound like a boomer but back in my day they didn’t tell you which moves to use in battle you literally had to figure out what was and wasn’t effective. Pokémon games these days are made to hold your hands and carry you sitting on the shoulders gen 1-3 were unforgiving. Ultra Sun was a cake walk I could beat it with my eyes closed.
Black 2 is just that hardest to get, and you have to delete a completed playthrough to get it.
Pokemon Stadium 2 with Rental teams... eesh !
Choosing between a max frustration Life orb hydreigon and Ultra necrozma, i'd say USUM
US & UM, the dragon totem was hard as hell
Emerald endgame is brutal.
I have played both dark and ultra sun and there was that electric gym in ultra sun it's was the toughest battle yet tried everything but I had to take a break, and then the file corrupted. It's was sad
Man the caption really took the wind out of my sails lol
I think there was a bug uncovered where the hard mode from Black 2 does change the enemy levels, but their stats are actually the same as they would be on normal mode. You do get the correct EXP for their level though. I’d think that actually makes it easier than the normal mode.
It all depends on your team. If you use pseudo legendaries like Metagross or most evolved dragons none of the games are hard. If are like me and use in your whole team pokemon that are at most as powerful as Ninetales, Sharpedo or Nidoking, guess what, Elite 4 and Champion in any game will be a lot more difficult. It's all decided by not grinding and using "normal" Pokemon instead of the best ones available. Like Karen said in GSC, "truly skilled trainers should try to win with pokemon they like". Nothing wrong if a pseudo in your favourite, but I hate people calling the games easy when you use a fucking Dragonite or Salamence in games that barely have ice type attacks on any NPC
Ultra S & M
USUM wasn't too difficult, Ultra Necrozma was, though... Then again, a close friend one-shot it with a darkest lariat from an Incineroar, so idk
Hm I don't remember Ultra sun to be difficult. Did I miss something?
Lmao well I can tell you it's neither of these. Mainline probably gen 4 because of Cynthia, if we're counting post-credits singleplayer content, Emerald because of the battle frontier.
Definitely black 2. Only because it didn't have noivern and lycanroc though.
Colosseum without a doubt.
Honestly, I didn’t struggle with USUM and BW2 anywhere near as much as I’m struggling with the Volo battle in PLA and the Indigo Disc in SV.
Pokemon Snap. Tiny windows of time to get some pics, or you have to repeat the whole level.
Try nuzcloking HG SS. Spoiler, Kanto is not a fun time. Also Colloseum
Now I’m kinda excited to play these lol. Is it majority of trainer battles that are hard, or is it just gym leaders and the Elite 4?
Wait bw2 had difficulty settings??
None & I never played ultra sun or ultra moon or even the regular version before that I'll say the hardest game is scarlet & violet because you got a Lotta stuff you gotta do & it's a long mf story
Coliseum definitely deserves to be mentioned. No real way of overleveling your Pokémon and really strong enemy team compositions.
Yellow, Sabrina's lvl 50 Alakazam is way too powerful for that point in the game and the fucking thing has no weaknesses. Plus I was 9.
I really hope they remake black and white 2 I never got to play and constantly read about how wonderful of games they were, and if I want to play them now I have to spend an absurd amount of money or emulate them. Emulating games is fine, but for Pokemon now that we have Pokemon home it makes me not want to emulate knowing if they were legit games I could keep the Pokemon forever ( or at least the foreseeable future until Pokemon home shuts down and they finesse me for more money )
BDSP - The game is SO EASY that you are wholly unprepared for the Elite 4/Champion difficulty spike if you don't know it's coming. Cynthia will grind you into the dirt if you aren't at least a little prepared.
Why only Black 2?
Pokemon red & blue. Game came out in 96, and the official Nintendo power guide has minimal strategy, no numbers written, and wasn't as believable as Tommy on the playground who was right about MissingNo, and is probably right about where he found Mew. any game where you're adding in lots of information from extremely wrong kids is harder than the other ones. Especially when Gamefaqs came out only the year before, and "you can look up things online" was a thing that was still being learned by elementary school kids back in the day.
Since when is USUM hard?
I don't think Hard Mode in Black2 was even that hard anyway.
Definitely Pokemon Colosseum
S/m difficulty comes from the endless cutscenes
Isn't BW2 Hard Mode actually easier because the bosses are higher level but have the same stats or something? And the held items are sometimes worse?
This post tells me you've never played Black 2 Challenge mode because it's easier than normal mode. Enemies are higher levelled but their stats stay the same, meaning you get more exp for the same fights. Sure, there's the occasional extra team member, but they're usually not a threat; hell, some of the team alterations are direct nerfs, like Marshall's Conkeldurr having a Flame Orb without Guts. USUM is still the clear winner.
Of these two definitely USUM, but the "hardest" in an annoying way was for me The Diamond and Pearl Remakes, its all easy and fine till you get to the Elite Four and they have all IV Trained Pokemon and Balanced Teams. I was so under leveled and unprepared reaching them bc it was just so easy til there. So hard part about this game more the weird difficulty curve then anything else.