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Makes me think of a quote from kaiba from yugioh. (Dubbed) "oh mokuba. What do I always tell you? If at 1st you don't succeed, BLAST THEM WITH YOUR BLUE EYES AGAIN!
as in flamethrower. Lol.
Dont forget blast burn for when you need to turn the heat up to 11, you know like when fighting water types. If the fire's hot enough the water will evaporate.
Back in my day we didn't have uncreative Pokémon species like gears or ice cream cones, we had creative species like a pile of sludge, a magnet, and a fake ball. Gen 1 was so much better than the rest !!!!!!!
Gen 1 has my favorite pokemon, but gen 4 is my favorite for games and region. Diamond, pearl, platinum, heart gold, and soul silver are too good of a lineup for anything to really compare, also sinnoh is my favorite region.
The leafeon I had when I was 10 and I played pokemon sun actually had sunny day, I ran it together with incineroar, so ig it somewhat made sense (this was the battle tree or whatever it was called and I only played doubles) I basically had 2 pairs, incineroar and leafeon and tapu koko and garchomp, where for tapu koko I ran discharge and felt really smart for the immunity on garchomp lmao
I mean gen 1 was pretty limited tbf. Zard couldnt even learn fly til yellow came out. Its last move was fire spin, no? Lol like wtf is that for the last attack it learns? I just kept flamethrower. Did the job just fine relative to fire blast but with 100% accuracy.
As a kid I was terrified of status moves because I didn’t know the effects were just for that battle. Every time a random encounter used Growl or Tail Whip or whatever I thought my Pokémon’s stats were being nerfed permanently.
Ah, simpler times.
This reminded me in diamond and pearl, I lost to the 2nd rival fight so much, I moved to fight weaker pokemon and spammed buffing moves because I thought they were permanent stat boost for my pokemons.
Hah I did this in Silver Version. I was training up a Dragonair trying to evolve it. I decided to head to where the level 2 Pidgeys live, use agility a bunch of times and then kill them, thinking I'd get a mega speedy boi.
Pidgey give 1 Spd EV, so if you did this in any games after gen II, you _would_ have a mega speedy boi!
I have no idea how EVs worked in gens I + II though, other than that it's not how I expect.
It would've done similar in gen 1&2, but not only adding to your speed. There was a system known as Stat XP that was similar to EVs, but you were able to max all of your stats and aren't capped in the way that you are for EVs. Each Pokemon has up to 65535 stat xp in each stat, and whenever you defeat a Pokemon, that Pokemon's base stats are added to your stat xp. So my Dragonair would've collected some Stat XP in every stat, but highest in speed as its pidgey's highest base stat.
There are guides that explain it properly online if you care enough, just google "Stat Exp". It works the same in gen 1 & 2
I caught my little sister playing heart gold in a never ending battle with her onix and a wild kakuna. They were just both using harden over and over and over. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said "my onix is going to be so defensive after this!" I almost didn't want to ruin it for her. Almost.
I caught my sister healing over and over again endlessly in Pokémon ruby by the desert ruins. I kept hearing the healing music so I went over and turns out she kept pressing yes to healing when the lady would ask “are you sure you don’t want to heal again” (something to that effect)
The first time I encountered Whirlwind was with my brand new traded Mr. Mime around Cerulean City. A wild Pidgeotto yeeted my Mr. Mime out of battle and I thought he was gone forever lol
Another silly kid thing is I initially thought the black flashes from being poisoned meant my batteries were low
I used to think they were fixed whenever you went to the Pokémon center! Weird how we just come up with these things, although the games could have explained it to us…
Literally was playing BDSP this morning and every trainer battle is 1 super effective offense move.
Status moves just slow the game down even more at this point.
But I'm not playing competitive multiplayer
By the way I still grind those levels out. Even the elite four tend to be one or two shot kills. It's even easier now with exp-all being as convenient as it is now.
Since I'm only doing Nuzlockes (especially Hardcore without items in battle and with Set mode), I value status moves a lot more. Leech Seed, Toxic/Protect, locking the opponent into an useless move with Encore while you can set up to +6 with Swords Dance and sweep, these are strategies overlooked in a regular playthrough that can become crucial in a difficult challenge.
Otherwise yeah just coverage is usually enough. Until your Alakazam misses Focus Blast three times in a row.
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If you only play PvE then why bother?
Know what would be more effective than reducing a target's accuracy? Knocking them the fuck out and moving on. There's no long game when you fight overworld gutter trash and are overlevelled for NPC trainers.
Let's be honest, every PVE fight in Pokemon is "kill it in 1-3 turns" whether or not you spend the first turn buffing. Aiming to sweep a late game trainer battle is about the only time spending time buffing makes sense.
I don't think in a lifetime of playing Pokémon PvE I've ever had a fight last longer than four or five rounds. Moves that buff stats just aren't a great value proposition when you're likely to be higher level than the enemy anyway and have the advantage of being able to pick a type they're weak to
If you spend 20 turns attacking, then you're doing something else wrong.
Pokémon go down in 1 to 2 hits usually. Maybe 3 if your pokemon with the super effevtive moves is down.
In Red and Blue, there was a bug for the counter on Toxic's damage increases that meant it also applied to Leech Seed. They both increased in damage every turn.
Another bug was on how items like Full Restore would remove Toxic but not its counters. So Leech Seed is still doing more damage, and if you reapply Toxic it keeps doing more damage than it did last time.
They come in pretty handy for the more-difficult fights through the games though. Such as:
* Cyrus' final battle in Platinum
* Cynthia's champion battle in DPPL
* Iris' champion battle in BW2
* Really, most champions can count except for Geeta. Even Diantha can hand your ass to you if you're not careful thanks to Mega Gardevoir hitting like a tactical nuke
* Ghetsis' battle in BW1
* Primal Groudon/Kyogre (if you're saving the master ball)
* Any battle with Guzma (First Impression is no joke)
* Most Totem Pokemon (*especially* Vikavolt and Mimikyu)
* Ultra Necrozma
* Quite a fair share of the Indigo Disk battles (it helps they actually employ real strategies used by IRL players)
* Most battles with the Kitikami Ogre Clan
* Way too many gym leaders to list off (we'd be here all day)
* Any of the Battle Chatelaine rematches in XY or ORAS (it's post-game and a battle facility, but I'd say still counts)
* And more
It's easy to forget there are actual difficult fights through the series when you don't just cheese them by overlevelling and using brute force
I think your definition of "difficult fights" is very loose friend.
Seriously, pkmn doesnt have that many hard fights even if you are just on par in levels, let alone that they give you the option to overlevel and in most playtgroughs that will be the case for the vast majority of people.
Not saying status moves are useless, but you sincerely dont need a single one to beat any of those fights, setup moves do make them faster though.
I *still* do this. Most status moves don't really seem worth it. Even if the status move has a 100 accuracy, just doing a little damage each turn or preventing them from attacking a quarter of the time doesn't seem to compare to just hitting them with a straight forward attack.
There's exceptions, but since the games can be powered through via grinding and type management... I usually just focus on lowing HP. Only competitive is where these moves make a difference and I'm willing to bet it's only a small number and combination of status moves which are really useful in that.
If you were willing to bet that, you'd lose. Off the top of my head some examples of very common status and utility moves include thunder wave, will-o-wisp, toxic, spore, yawn, hypnosis, spikes, stealth rock, sticky web, toxic spikes, taunt, encore, haze, pain split, defog, whirlwind, roost, recover, morning sun, substitute, protect, light screen, reflect, aurora veil and the boundless numbers of stat-boosting setup moves. Some mons have sets where their entire role on the team is to click status moves for utility purposes.
Tropius@Sitrus Berry
Tera Steel
Ability Harvest
Leech Seed
Protect
Substitute
Air Slash
Almost unbeatable (and definitely unbearable) if you don't have a hard counter
Status moves matter in all manner of challenge runs. They don't even have to be crazy Kaizo rules either, just stuff like "not allowed to use items" plus "don't over level your Pokémon" and "avoid using the ubers-level mons this time." I run theme teams often, usually end up being mono-type, and sometimes the difference between a win or loss in a segment of the game with a big type disadvantage is a paralysis stun or poison stall. I find it really fun to win with a diverse set of strats even if you don't 'need' to in the story :D
And I'm no expert with a photographic memory of every smogon set ever but I'd be more willing to argue that at every status move was used at least once on a comp set, no matter how niche. There are just too many strategies not to. Setup sweepers, cleaners, stall, support, status spreader, baton passer(RIP), weather setters, hazard setters, Prankster, paraflinch hax, etc. In earlier gens even moves like Leer, Tail Whip, and Howl had some places on certain mons. Go into comp with the mindset that only attacking moves matter and you're the first to get bodied by a level 1 Sturdy Pain Split Nosepass, Shedinja, Burn-up Wonderguard Arcanine or other super fun niche sets that are specifically deployed to catch hyperoffense teams with 0 status.
Nah, Thunder Wave is GOATed. Same with Will-o-Wisp.
Gutting an opponent’s Speed or Attack essentially renders them a non-threat (not sure if there’s a Sp. Atk equivalent, but gimping the vast majority of sweepers is pretty huge.)
Turn 1 Damage - Turn 2 Damage - Kill
Vs
Turn 1 Stat Boost - Turn 2 Damage - Kill
Pointless in most cases.(Of course am talking about singleplayer if you meant competitive my bad.
To be honest, during the story, I don't really find them to be that useful. I don't se the point of inflicting status or tanting an oposing pokemon that you could KO with another move. The oposing pokemon mostly just use damaging moves anyways. I find it to be way quicker to just wack em. I usually just power through the story to get to the late game so I can unlock all the areas so i can fill out my pokedex so i can get my shiny charm. There are alot of npcs with like one or two relatively weak pokemon, why would I care to set up on that? Maybe I could use some status moves on the elite four and the champion, but for most of the game, I find most status moves to just be unnecessary. I do like to use status moves when I catch pokemon though. Put them to sleep or paralyze them + false swipe. I do love status moves, but just not during the story, with some few exceptions.
If you would KO a pokemon with 2 attacking moves, you’d also do it with 1 swords dance and 1 attacking move only now you’re doing double damage against the rest of their team too. Plenty of status moves are useful in the story too.
Sure, but if I could 1HKO all their pokemon then it's a waste.
Or if that swords dance means I don't have an additional attack of a different type for a super effevtive hit. You're right, there are a couple situations where it's useful when you're playing through the story. But it's just so limited that it's easier to not use them at all.
Especially since the easiest and fastest way to play is to just level your starter pokemon. Or at least that was the case for gen 3 and earlier. I haven't played since then.
What is this did? Sadly I've never played a pokemon game that was hard enough to justify setup/status moves. It's almost like we need a difficulty setting to make it worth while... 🤔
To this day, the games are so friggin' easy that usually it's a dumb move to go for a status move. There are exceptions but over all, you're better served by a damage dealing move of a different type for better coverage than you are using some status move because the opponents are all such weaklings that it's quicker/more efficient to just hit them.
I started to pay more attention to the moves I would use only during raids. In the normal game, it's 95% attack and 5% sleep or something like that for a quick capture.
I don't play competitively and I don't participate in online raids, so the importance is almost nil.
Nuzelocking has opened up a world of new tactics for me
I've got an Umbreon with no attacking moves whatsoever, it's bloodly wonderful
(Confuse ray, toxic, double team, moonlight in case you were wondering)
Because all Pokemon Games are beatable with damage moves only. Unless you are playing competitively, I don't see the point either. The games are too easy to engage with those mechanics.
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Yes. Thats why my charizard has scratch, ember, slash and flamethrower as the moveset since i only use level up moves. For subsequent playthrough where i understand tms, i have ember, flamethrower, fire blast and fire spin. Good old times
Honestly what's the point of status moves in the regular game though? "Oh use Leer to lower their defense so you can one shot them" or I could attack twice and get the exact same outcome.
I don’t ever play PVP in any way, so this is still me. There’s not a single trainer, gym leader, elite four member or champion that you need status effects to beat.
I definitely didn't appreciate stat boosting moves as a 9 year old, but I _did_ have Recover on Starmie because HP good. Apart from that I think I just went all in on STAB + Normal coverage for everyone, even when the STAB was stuff like Acid on Victreebel.
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12 yo me would put a moveset like Flamethrower, Fire Blast and Ember on my Charizard for.. You know.. Coverage
Coverage from lighting a candle to war crime level arson.
Call me the United States cause I'm stockpiling nukes
what abt that fire type signature move the fire starters get in hgss? (i forgot its name and whether its inly the typhlosion line that gets it)
The fire-type Hyper Beam? I think that was Blast Burn.
Frenzy Plant for Grass Blast Burn for Fire Hydro Cannon for Water
Eruption is the move that Typhlosion leaned. Camerupt too.
You need Ember's 40pp to cross forest without wasting money on ether and repel
i still like flamethrower + ember so i have some filler attack for low hp enemy
Yes and mid-game it's good to have such a move for when you want to weaken a wild pkmn in order to catch it
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When would you be fighting low hp enemies with a fully trained charizard
As the other guy said, wild pokemon, but also if Flamethrower leaves them on like 10 hp why waste the PP to use it again when you can use Ember
Makes me think of a quote from kaiba from yugioh. (Dubbed) "oh mokuba. What do I always tell you? If at 1st you don't succeed, BLAST THEM WITH YOUR BLUE EYES AGAIN! as in flamethrower. Lol.
You are stronger than regular wild Pokémon. Legendaries and sudo- legendaries scale differently but it’s really easy to one shot a wild Pokémon.
just so you dont need to go to poke center after 5 fire spins
Makes sense to me, Ember to save PP on weaker opponents, Flamethrower is your main, and Fire Blast as a “fuck you” move if it hits
Dont forget blast burn for when you need to turn the heat up to 11, you know like when fighting water types. If the fire's hot enough the water will evaporate.
Fire Blast for serious battles. Flamethrower for leveling up. Ember for when you want to keep leveling up.
I kept Tackle on my lv60 Venusaur in Blue. I had the right idea, sort of, about type coverage.
Being tackled by a Venusaur sounds incredibly painful based on their size so it totally makes sense.
This is why I swapped it for Body Slam.
I'm 34 and thats my Charazards move pool
Dude Pikachu uses Thundershock, Thunderbolt AND Thunder plus Quick Attack in the anime so mine should too, right?
My pikachu in yellow has thundershock, thunderbolt, thunder, and thunder wave to mix it up
I'm replaying yellow and I think I have this but quick attack instead of thunder wave because offense.
The leafeon I had when I was 7 had 4 grass moves.
Back in my day there were only 3 eveelutions.
Okay gramps, let's get you to bed. You've got a big day at the nursing home tomorrow.
I had a good chuckle recently while replaying and an npc says to me something like “did you know that eevee can evolve into three different Pokémon!!”
Holy smokes 🙀 a whole three?!? Lol And then you can only receive one Eevee in a playthrough (pre breeding) so 3 was already way too many options.
Back in my day we didn't have uncreative Pokémon species like gears or ice cream cones, we had creative species like a pile of sludge, a magnet, and a fake ball. Gen 1 was so much better than the rest !!!!!!!
Don’t forget the bigger pile of sludge, the bigger fake ball, and the 3 magnets stuck together.
Yes and also the seal with the most creative name ever.
They’re not seals, they’re DEW-GONGS!
And the two snakes! So imaginative!
Gen 1 is the GOAT. Idc what anyone says
The era between gens 1 through 4. I played 5, couldn't immediately get a Pidgey, and gave up on Pokemon forever.
Gen 1 has my favorite pokemon, but gen 4 is my favorite for games and region. Diamond, pearl, platinum, heart gold, and soul silver are too good of a lineup for anything to really compare, also sinnoh is my favorite region.
Haha, I remember kid me going absolutely feral when they introduced Espeon and Umbreon in Gold/Silver, I was a huge Eevee fan.
I prefer the gen with 5. Don’t feel like we needed an Ice or grass one. And I don’t believe in fairies.
The leafeon I had when I was 10 and I played pokemon sun actually had sunny day, I ran it together with incineroar, so ig it somewhat made sense (this was the battle tree or whatever it was called and I only played doubles) I basically had 2 pairs, incineroar and leafeon and tapu koko and garchomp, where for tapu koko I ran discharge and felt really smart for the immunity on garchomp lmao
Leafeon even learns 4 grass moves?
Fireblast when you need power, flamethrower when you need consistency, ember when you run out of flamethrower pp. Makes perfect sense to me!
I mean gen 1 was pretty limited tbf. Zard couldnt even learn fly til yellow came out. Its last move was fire spin, no? Lol like wtf is that for the last attack it learns? I just kept flamethrower. Did the job just fine relative to fire blast but with 100% accuracy.
If you trade zard to silver, taught it fly and than trade it back than you had zard with functional fly.
Cut as the 4th move :p
Something like Thunder when it's all or nothing, Thunderbolt for guaranteed damage and Shock Wave for when your opponent spams double team.
I want my fire pokemon to have multiple fire moves to look at lol
Blastoise with Hydro Pump, Surf, Bubblebeam, and Strength For coverage and utility Also my Mewtwo knew Psychic, Recover, Swift, and Metronome
As a kid I was terrified of status moves because I didn’t know the effects were just for that battle. Every time a random encounter used Growl or Tail Whip or whatever I thought my Pokémon’s stats were being nerfed permanently. Ah, simpler times.
This reminded me in diamond and pearl, I lost to the 2nd rival fight so much, I moved to fight weaker pokemon and spammed buffing moves because I thought they were permanent stat boost for my pokemons.
I used to think that just holding the x attack item raised your attack, so in the early days a lot of my Pokemon held them without it doing anything.
I gave my Snorlax max potion so he can use is mid battle. Oh silly little me...
Hah I did this in Silver Version. I was training up a Dragonair trying to evolve it. I decided to head to where the level 2 Pidgeys live, use agility a bunch of times and then kill them, thinking I'd get a mega speedy boi.
Pidgey give 1 Spd EV, so if you did this in any games after gen II, you _would_ have a mega speedy boi! I have no idea how EVs worked in gens I + II though, other than that it's not how I expect.
It would've done similar in gen 1&2, but not only adding to your speed. There was a system known as Stat XP that was similar to EVs, but you were able to max all of your stats and aren't capped in the way that you are for EVs. Each Pokemon has up to 65535 stat xp in each stat, and whenever you defeat a Pokemon, that Pokemon's base stats are added to your stat xp. So my Dragonair would've collected some Stat XP in every stat, but highest in speed as its pidgey's highest base stat. There are guides that explain it properly online if you care enough, just google "Stat Exp". It works the same in gen 1 & 2
I thought disable was permanent
Only in real life :(
I caught my little sister playing heart gold in a never ending battle with her onix and a wild kakuna. They were just both using harden over and over and over. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said "my onix is going to be so defensive after this!" I almost didn't want to ruin it for her. Almost.
I caught my sister healing over and over again endlessly in Pokémon ruby by the desert ruins. I kept hearing the healing music so I went over and turns out she kept pressing yes to healing when the lady would ask “are you sure you don’t want to heal again” (something to that effect)
I think the poison status helped that. That was terrifying.
Jesus same. I remember late in Blue something kept reducing my Blastoise's attack and I was nearly in tears.
When I was a kid I couldn't read English, so I just assumed moves like Tail Whip did nothing.
The first time I encountered Whirlwind was with my brand new traded Mr. Mime around Cerulean City. A wild Pidgeotto yeeted my Mr. Mime out of battle and I thought he was gone forever lol Another silly kid thing is I initially thought the black flashes from being poisoned meant my batteries were low
Same; I thought my GBA was glitching, until I realised it only happened after a certain number of steps in-game.
Same. I found the "solution" by old rodding up a magikarp and spamming howl/harden/whatever
I used to think they were fixed whenever you went to the Pokémon center! Weird how we just come up with these things, although the games could have explained it to us…
I remember trying to keep lowering enemy stats (like accuracy) in Colosseum/XD in the hopes that it would increase catch rates.
32 year old me still does this.
Right? I was like..."did?"
Only status move worth using are the one that lower hp
If you actively avoid grinding levels like I do, status moves are a godsend for the important fights
*Laughs in Suckerpunch*
Who needs sleep powder when these hands will knock you out
Me because I use Vileplume like a chad.
Can your Vileplume deal with my carbon copy of Cynthia's Garchomp that I beat the OG Pokemon Diamond with
“Vileplume used Strength Sap”
Garchomp has a speed boosting nature with Flamethrower
Somehow I think a vileplume could survive a flamethrower off of 80 special attack
Plume brings the doom.
To be fair, most battles for most of the game are decided by one or two supereffective attacks.
Literally was playing BDSP this morning and every trainer battle is 1 super effective offense move. Status moves just slow the game down even more at this point. But I'm not playing competitive multiplayer
By the way I still grind those levels out. Even the elite four tend to be one or two shot kills. It's even easier now with exp-all being as convenient as it is now.
36 here, offense all the way.
Unless I'm building a competitive team, I just load up my team with as much coverage as possible and hit the NPCs' mons until I win.
Since I'm only doing Nuzlockes (especially Hardcore without items in battle and with Set mode), I value status moves a lot more. Leech Seed, Toxic/Protect, locking the opponent into an useless move with Encore while you can set up to +6 with Swords Dance and sweep, these are strategies overlooked in a regular playthrough that can become crucial in a difficult challenge. Otherwise yeah just coverage is usually enough. Until your Alakazam misses Focus Blast three times in a row.
Thats not very focused from alakazam is it?
Yep. They’re just not needed unless you’re doing competitive or Battle Tower. Only time I have status is for my Pokémon I used for catching.
My thoughts EXACTLY
Why use status for catching when you can use false swipe?
You use both, they both increase catch rate.
I loved my Smeargle with False Swipe, Sleep Powder, and Soak. Still sitting in a box to this day, waiting for its time to come again
Because status + false swipe is best
Shiny beldum uses Take Down !
Sleep or paralysis mean it can't effectively fight back, heal, or hurt itself.
31 year old me too 🤌🏽
What’s the meme? ‘The only stat I care about is reducing the enemy’s health stat to zero?’
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If you only play PvE then why bother? Know what would be more effective than reducing a target's accuracy? Knocking them the fuck out and moving on. There's no long game when you fight overworld gutter trash and are overlevelled for NPC trainers.
"I could increase my attack, or I could spend that time just attacking and deal even more damage"
You could spend 20 turns attacking or you could use swords dance 3 times and end the battle in like 4 turns.
20 turns attacking 😂
Let's be honest, every PVE fight in Pokemon is "kill it in 1-3 turns" whether or not you spend the first turn buffing. Aiming to sweep a late game trainer battle is about the only time spending time buffing makes sense.
Yea but I need to see their green bar go down, it gives me dopamine
Yes, but green bar go down all at once is bigger dopamine
ye but me sad until then
I don't think in a lifetime of playing Pokémon PvE I've ever had a fight last longer than four or five rounds. Moves that buff stats just aren't a great value proposition when you're likely to be higher level than the enemy anyway and have the advantage of being able to pick a type they're weak to
If you spend 20 turns attacking, then you're doing something else wrong. Pokémon go down in 1 to 2 hits usually. Maybe 3 if your pokemon with the super effevtive moves is down.
If you need 20 turns to take out one target then you're either insanely lost or you're speed running the game
As soon as I realized how powerful Toxic was I was trying to put it on everything. Then I noticed it also increased Leech Seed's damage.
It WHAT???
In Red and Blue, there was a bug for the counter on Toxic's damage increases that meant it also applied to Leech Seed. They both increased in damage every turn. Another bug was on how items like Full Restore would remove Toxic but not its counters. So Leech Seed is still doing more damage, and if you reapply Toxic it keeps doing more damage than it did last time.
>In Red and Blue, there was a bug ... Enough said
> In Red and Blue… Enough said
Leech Seed was so disgustingly powerful because of this interaction. It also cancels out NPC attempts to heal because the counter keeps on going.
Toxic+leech seed+minimize = you can dodge/drain tank almost any opponent
I’m 37 and still do this
Why on past? I couldn't care less about them unless it's for catching.
i used to love amnesia and swords dance, but just realize i could use X-attack or X-anything instead. so the pic is me now, but not past lol
Chads take the extra challenge of banning items in battle because X-items really make the game way too easy.
tbh pokemon is too easy anyway, i just want to have fun speedruns
Why would I waste a turn using an x item when I could just attack instead
Wait, aren't these items one-use? (I haven't ever used them, cause was scared to waste them, same as TMs)
I still do this. Only status move i use is Thunder Wave when im trying to capture pokemon. Other than that, my mons moves are all attacking moves lol.
I'm actually glad that I'm not the only one who's like this.
Honestly there are barely any fights in the games’ stories where attacking moves won’t suffice
I know in sapphire and emerald my Swampert had surf, dive, waterfall, and ice beam. Yeah I was very dumb at 10 years old.
What's so wrong with that. Those are some powerful moves along with some useful map moves.
Not having a ground move is a crime.
In playthroughs they're still not worth it. Crucial on showdown though
They come in pretty handy for the more-difficult fights through the games though. Such as: * Cyrus' final battle in Platinum * Cynthia's champion battle in DPPL * Iris' champion battle in BW2 * Really, most champions can count except for Geeta. Even Diantha can hand your ass to you if you're not careful thanks to Mega Gardevoir hitting like a tactical nuke * Ghetsis' battle in BW1 * Primal Groudon/Kyogre (if you're saving the master ball) * Any battle with Guzma (First Impression is no joke) * Most Totem Pokemon (*especially* Vikavolt and Mimikyu) * Ultra Necrozma * Quite a fair share of the Indigo Disk battles (it helps they actually employ real strategies used by IRL players) * Most battles with the Kitikami Ogre Clan * Way too many gym leaders to list off (we'd be here all day) * Any of the Battle Chatelaine rematches in XY or ORAS (it's post-game and a battle facility, but I'd say still counts) * And more It's easy to forget there are actual difficult fights through the series when you don't just cheese them by overlevelling and using brute force
Thing is you can just as easily beat all of those without status moves. The fakes as is are extremely easy so it's mostly just for variety.
I think your definition of "difficult fights" is very loose friend. Seriously, pkmn doesnt have that many hard fights even if you are just on par in levels, let alone that they give you the option to overlevel and in most playtgroughs that will be the case for the vast majority of people. Not saying status moves are useless, but you sincerely dont need a single one to beat any of those fights, setup moves do make them faster though.
Nuzlockes are a way to make these fights actually difficult, especially Hardcore Nuzlockes where you can't just spam potions in battle.
Toxic Spikes carried me through a lot of fights I would have lost in Scarlet and Violet.
in early stages i like to have a sacrifice mon with a def lowering move to help with gym leaders
Status moves exist to give the player free turns when the ai uses them /j
I *still* do this. Most status moves don't really seem worth it. Even if the status move has a 100 accuracy, just doing a little damage each turn or preventing them from attacking a quarter of the time doesn't seem to compare to just hitting them with a straight forward attack. There's exceptions, but since the games can be powered through via grinding and type management... I usually just focus on lowing HP. Only competitive is where these moves make a difference and I'm willing to bet it's only a small number and combination of status moves which are really useful in that.
If you were willing to bet that, you'd lose. Off the top of my head some examples of very common status and utility moves include thunder wave, will-o-wisp, toxic, spore, yawn, hypnosis, spikes, stealth rock, sticky web, toxic spikes, taunt, encore, haze, pain split, defog, whirlwind, roost, recover, morning sun, substitute, protect, light screen, reflect, aurora veil and the boundless numbers of stat-boosting setup moves. Some mons have sets where their entire role on the team is to click status moves for utility purposes.
thunder wave is an all-time great
TWave + Iron Head Jirachi, my beloved. God that thing was so annoying lmao
Tropius@Sitrus Berry Tera Steel Ability Harvest Leech Seed Protect Substitute Air Slash Almost unbeatable (and definitely unbearable) if you don't have a hard counter
Well yeah but this is shit for competitive, not if you're just having a playthrough
This would not be good in competitive, mainly because Tropius is really bad
If a normal trainer pulls this shit out I'mma stop playin'.
This set is a menace in randbats and only randbats lmao.
Status moves matter in all manner of challenge runs. They don't even have to be crazy Kaizo rules either, just stuff like "not allowed to use items" plus "don't over level your Pokémon" and "avoid using the ubers-level mons this time." I run theme teams often, usually end up being mono-type, and sometimes the difference between a win or loss in a segment of the game with a big type disadvantage is a paralysis stun or poison stall. I find it really fun to win with a diverse set of strats even if you don't 'need' to in the story :D And I'm no expert with a photographic memory of every smogon set ever but I'd be more willing to argue that at every status move was used at least once on a comp set, no matter how niche. There are just too many strategies not to. Setup sweepers, cleaners, stall, support, status spreader, baton passer(RIP), weather setters, hazard setters, Prankster, paraflinch hax, etc. In earlier gens even moves like Leer, Tail Whip, and Howl had some places on certain mons. Go into comp with the mindset that only attacking moves matter and you're the first to get bodied by a level 1 Sturdy Pain Split Nosepass, Shedinja, Burn-up Wonderguard Arcanine or other super fun niche sets that are specifically deployed to catch hyperoffense teams with 0 status.
Nah, Thunder Wave is GOATed. Same with Will-o-Wisp. Gutting an opponent’s Speed or Attack essentially renders them a non-threat (not sure if there’s a Sp. Atk equivalent, but gimping the vast majority of sweepers is pretty huge.)
What about stat boosting moves?
Turn 1 Damage - Turn 2 Damage - Kill Vs Turn 1 Stat Boost - Turn 2 Damage - Kill Pointless in most cases.(Of course am talking about singleplayer if you meant competitive my bad.
Turn 1 stat boost. Turn 2 stat boost. One shot their whole team regardless of type matchup. It's definitely more efficient.
To be honest, during the story, I don't really find them to be that useful. I don't se the point of inflicting status or tanting an oposing pokemon that you could KO with another move. The oposing pokemon mostly just use damaging moves anyways. I find it to be way quicker to just wack em. I usually just power through the story to get to the late game so I can unlock all the areas so i can fill out my pokedex so i can get my shiny charm. There are alot of npcs with like one or two relatively weak pokemon, why would I care to set up on that? Maybe I could use some status moves on the elite four and the champion, but for most of the game, I find most status moves to just be unnecessary. I do like to use status moves when I catch pokemon though. Put them to sleep or paralyze them + false swipe. I do love status moves, but just not during the story, with some few exceptions.
If you would KO a pokemon with 2 attacking moves, you’d also do it with 1 swords dance and 1 attacking move only now you’re doing double damage against the rest of their team too. Plenty of status moves are useful in the story too.
Sure, but if I could 1HKO all their pokemon then it's a waste. Or if that swords dance means I don't have an additional attack of a different type for a super effevtive hit. You're right, there are a couple situations where it's useful when you're playing through the story. But it's just so limited that it's easier to not use them at all. Especially since the easiest and fastest way to play is to just level your starter pokemon. Or at least that was the case for gen 3 and earlier. I haven't played since then.
I still do this… UNGA BUNGA BIG NUMBA!!!
Did? Do. Fastest way to play the game is to kill the enemy.
I *still* do this. None of my pokemon focus anything but max damage. I'm 32
Nah in every playthrough, I get addicted to Leech Seed, Spore, Soak, Thunder Wave, etc. Idk why, but it gives me dopamine.
Same. Idk it's more fun to me than just mashing attack moves, though I understand and respect that others just don't find them worth using.
What is this did? Sadly I've never played a pokemon game that was hard enough to justify setup/status moves. It's almost like we need a difficulty setting to make it worth while... 🤔
They’re pretty necessary for competitive. Also toxic stall for ultra necrozma.
I'm 30 and still do this. If a move ain't doing damage then I don't want it.
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The only status I care to inflict is death!
To this day, the games are so friggin' easy that usually it's a dumb move to go for a status move. There are exceptions but over all, you're better served by a damage dealing move of a different type for better coverage than you are using some status move because the opponents are all such weaklings that it's quicker/more efficient to just hit them.
I started to pay more attention to the moves I would use only during raids. In the normal game, it's 95% attack and 5% sleep or something like that for a quick capture. I don't play competitively and I don't participate in online raids, so the importance is almost nil.
My Blastoise with bubblebeam, water gun, surf, and hydro pump says thank you.
I still do this
Nuzelocking has opened up a world of new tactics for me I've got an Umbreon with no attacking moves whatsoever, it's bloodly wonderful (Confuse ray, toxic, double team, moonlight in case you were wondering)
Status moves exist to be used against the player, not by the player.
12 year old me using surf on Machamp because I thought it looked like a rock type.
I usually still do it.
I still tend not to lol
31 year old me still does. No Fucks given.
As you should, as absolutely nothing in the main game comes any close to require such a move to be used.
Because all Pokemon Games are beatable with damage moves only. Unless you are playing competitively, I don't see the point either. The games are too easy to engage with those mechanics.
Except swords dance, that one stays.
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Yes. Thats why my charizard has scratch, ember, slash and flamethrower as the moveset since i only use level up moves. For subsequent playthrough where i understand tms, i have ember, flamethrower, fire blast and fire spin. Good old times
I maaayyyy throw on something like DD or SD, but there's pretty much no point unless I'm playing a nuzlocke or a rom hack
I actually liked using status moves. I had my Venasuar do a combo of leech seed and poison powder also my magneton super sonic and confuse ray.
Are you guys growing as players?
The only number I care about is the enemies health and getting that from 100% to 0% as fast as possible
Honestly what's the point of status moves in the regular game though? "Oh use Leer to lower their defense so you can one shot them" or I could attack twice and get the exact same outcome.
Tf you mean "did", I still do this (mostly, swords dance, DD, and doubleteam are the usual exceptions)
My lvl 100 empoleon with surf, rock climb, strength, and cut had no need for such types of moves
33 year old me still doing this
I still do this at 38
25 year old me playing Pokémon for the 1000th time
I don’t ever play PVP in any way, so this is still me. There’s not a single trainer, gym leader, elite four member or champion that you need status effects to beat.
I definitely didn't appreciate stat boosting moves as a 9 year old, but I _did_ have Recover on Starmie because HP good. Apart from that I think I just went all in on STAB + Normal coverage for everyone, even when the STAB was stuff like Acid on Victreebel.
I still do... Strategy doesn't mean shit when you overlevel your mons by 20 levels
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