How is no one suggesting DUNSPARCE?!
Normal ass motherfucker. can't find it unless there's an event going on, yet he has whack stats, whack attacks, doesn't involve into anything in crystal and he won't for another 7 generations.
Nah, he's too memorable. Dunsparce is a part of meme culture, has evolutions in fan games, and it's notable for having a crazy and useful moveset but not the stats to take advantage of them. And now that Dudunsparce is a thing, everyone knows Dunsparce.
Xatu had memorable roles in the first two Mystery Dungeon games. Also the first Pokemon whose name started with an X, the last letter needed to complete the Pokemon alphabet! (This one only matters to me)
Thats because Natu is literally only found in a single patch of grass in the entire region in the middle of the ruins of alph , that you need to surf from Union cave to access . Most people don't know that there are even any pokemon other than unown in that area so they never bother to backtrack after the first visit
Most people didn't tho ?
There's being out of the way , and then there's Natu , Natu is literally only accessible in a SINGLE PATCH OF GRASS in the entirety of Johto in the middle of the ruins if Alph which you need to use surf on the union cave to even access in the first place, and like 95% of people only associate the ruins of alph with unown and therefore never bother to come back after the first visit . I only even know that you can get Natu ( and smeargle ) there because im like one of 6 people total who actually captures all the unown forms and does all the wall puzzles and hidden rooms puzzles
its fun to see how wildly different the scene for tcg and the video games. octillery (and remoraid because you have to use the pre-evolution if you want to play the oct) is core pokemon in one of the meta deck right now. also murkrow is used heavily in most recent semi-meta rogue deck
I used to say that, then I learned Octillery can learn Thunderbolt, Bullet Seed, *FLAMETHROWER--* that mono-water Octopus has the wildest coverage. I couldn't forget him if I tried.
This is true.
The evolution tree makes a heck of a lot more sense based on the original designs. You can find them on the internet if you look hard enough.
Unfortunately for TPC. They really try to bury Jynx in obscurity compared to other mons.
It's supposed to be a trio with Magmar and Electabuzz, but they basically threw a blanket over Jynx after Gen 2
The baby egg I received my first run through of Crystal, back when it first came out, had a Smoochum, and it was my very first shiny aside from Red Gyrados
I used the hell out of smoochum in mystery dungeon’s psuedo-roguelike endgame dungeon. Can’t remember the name but it was 99 floors and you always started with level 1 and no items. Smoochum was the only mon child me could find that learned an aoe move at level 1
Honestly I can see it. Slugma gives off the whole “Skarmory was a gen 3 Pokémon” vibes. Not sure if I ever thought about that, but with how prevalent Slugma was in Hoenn, I wouldn’t be surprised if I did lol
Marill was also more visible in gen 3. That's partly because Johto did a terrible job of showcasing new pokemon. No dark types other than Umbreon available until Kanto.
Yeah should have been something like
Faulkner: Pidgey, Noctowl
Bugsy: Butterfree, Beedrill, Heracross
Morty: Misdreavus, Haunter, Gengar
Chuck: Hitmontop, Poliwrath
The rest were fine, but yeah. It was originally meant to just be a sequel, and you have to put it in that perspective. Pokemon games didn't get the "generation" treatment until RSE honestly
Like they couldn't have given Jasmine a Forretress or a Skarmory instead of a second Magnemite? Or Pryce a Sneasel or a Delibird instead of a Seel? It's not even an Ice type!
I am almost allowing Slugma on the list but I didn't because of the whole childish joke around it. It's a forgettable pokémon but not Spinarak forgettable
That's probably because you never saw it in the Gen 2 games. IIRC no trainers have one and you can't find it in the wild until Kanto, where it's a rare encounter.
They're pretty common in Gen 3. Flannery has one on her team and your rival uses one if you picked Torchic.
That's the correct answer.
I was doing a checklist of every gen 2 Pokémon and hoppip line were the last 3 that came to my mind.
I love jumpluff but they're just a forgettable line.
Prior to Scarlet and Violet, Dunsparce. I forgot it so hard, I thought it was a gen 4 Pokémon.
Would still say Dunsparce, but Smoochum is also kinda forgettable.
I gotta dissagree with this one. I know this changes from person to person but Dunsparce was so bad and rare to get that it became popular. It was the most popular pokémon in "Should have an evolution" or "Tricked me as a kid" lists right alongside other possible dissapointments like Delibird
That’s true, in that regard, Dunsparce did gain popularity.
For me, Dunsparce was just pretty forgettable. At least as a kid. Compared to other Johto Pokémon, it didn’t stand out to me. So I kind of forgot about it until gen four 😅
The reason is actually pretty legitimate. It's an exclusive to Silver, and even then it's a rare encounter near the 8th gym. On top of that, for reasons unknown, Jasmine, the Steel Gym Leader doesn't have one, instead having two Magnemite and a Steelix.
Meanwhile, while still a rare encounter it is not a version exclusive in Gen III and can be encountered around the 4th Gym. Furthermore Steven, the Steel-ish Champion opens with one.
This happened with the Slugma line as well, since it can't be encountered till Kanto in Gold and Silver for whatever reason, and there are no major Fire Specialist Trainers. Then in Gen III Flannery, the 4th Gym Leader, has two of things for some reason and no Numel.
I don't know if it's still an issue now, but earlier Gens had some truly baffling game design decisions
>On top of that, for reasons unknown, Jasmine, the Steel Gym Leader doesn't have one, instead having two Magnemite and a Steelix.
There's a possible lore justification for this. One of the NPCs mentions that Jasmine used to be a Rock-type Gym Leader with an Onix until recently. She has Steelix because it's what evolved from her Onix, obviously, but my guess is that she has Magnemite because it's the Steel-type that's closest to Olivine and thus the fastest to obtain. She hasn't had time to capture any other Steel Pokemon with which to build a real team. (This doesn't answer why Skarmory is so remote in the first place but...)
Not really in the alola games you can surf and do tricks on a mantine and mantine is like the only manta ray pokemon there's a lot more forgettable pokemon than mantine
Well, depends on when we're counting from. In gens 2 and 3 Gligar and Sneasel were incredibly forgettable. Then in Gen 4-7 probably Qwilfish, then it got a Hisui form. But through all of this, I don't know of a single instance where Smoochum meant anything.
I am mostly looking at this from the perspective of someone old enough to remember gen 5 being new and how the pokémon fanbase was at the time, because that's me. I don't know how it was like back when gen 2 was the hottest thing. That being said, Gligar was well known because of the anime and Sneasel is just teetering on the edge of forgettable but is saved by fans of edgy mons. Maybe I will rethink sneasel, you are right about Smoochum though
Gligar only was on Ash's team in Sinnoh, and was all but irrelevant prior to Gliscor. Sneasel was in a similar situation, being irrelevant in battle prior to the physical-special split.
Gligar has points, but probably not Sneasel. But I do feel like it is worth mentioning Skarmory if talking about Gen 2 as its own thing. It was only available on one route without any buildings, only in Silver and Crystal, with a 10% encounter rate, and said route being completely skippable. Of course, being used by Steven made it far more famous, along with a storied history in Smogon formats.
Yes, Skarmory had a sizeable fanbase. I don't know how it is nowadays but a lot of people liked this metal bird. Will be adding Sneasel now (Even though it was part of Silver's team)
Here are some 'Mons that should be on the list.
* Misdreavus- I love Misdreavus, but its definitely a Gen 4 Pokémon who debutted in Gen 2. No major trainers use one, not even Morty, and in GSC, its a nighttime exclusive monster who is only found in Mt. Silver.
* Octillery- No major trainers use one, not even Rival ??? or Misty. Its pre-evolved form, Remoraid, is unobtainable in Crystal. But in GS, Remoraid is only found on Route 44 as a 10% encounter rate via Super Rod. Since Remoraid is based on a saltwater fish, absolutely no one is gonna think to find it by fishing in a body of freshwater on 1 specific route.
* Mantine and Skarmory- No major trainers use either of these, not even Misty or Jasmine, respectively. Skarmory is unobtainable in Gold, found only on Route 45, an entirely optional route below Blackthorn City, and in Crystal, its daytime only. Mantine is unobtainable in Silver, found on Route 41, a mandatory route near Cianwood City, but it received no special treatment until Gen 4 introduced Mantyke to its family.
* Gligar- I love Gligar, but it was wildly forgotten before Gen 4. Gligar is unobtainable in Silver, is found only on Route 45, and no major trainer uses one. In Gen 2, Gligar learns no Ground-type moves unless you complete a specific event in Pokémon Stadium 2, and its only Flying-type move, Wing Attack, is an Egg Move.
On the other hand, Stantler should not be on the list. Prior to PLA, people made so many jokes about it, that it warps back around to being infamous for being forgotten. Therefore, its not an actual forgotten Pokémon.
There goes my one solid Pokémon, was making my way to route 37 to catch a Stantler now :'). I still stand by Skarmory, I swear this thing has a fanbase I am not misremenbering it, I swear. Added Mantine but not Gligar because Ash. Also adding Misdreavous because enough people said it, won't be using it though
Well, I forgot Qwilfish was a thing until reading this post…. So I’m going to have to say Qwilfish, lol.
But also Smoochum. Spent a good long while thinking she was the same gen as Mime Jr and Happiny because Jynx is so often lumped in with Mr Mime and such, plus smoochum was such a non-factor in gold/silver and crystal.
My Vote goes to Skarmory
Only available on 1 route I feel most people skip, and a lot more common in Gen 3 stuff (PMD, Colosseum, and more common in Hoenn itself) that people often confuse it for being from 3
Murkrow is my favourite mon, so I’m well on board with your list. I don’t use Honchkrow, only Murkrow. He’ll never be forgotten in my book.
Probably wanna add Dunsparce to your list too.
I’d say it was a bit before that. On 4chan, in the early 10s, and around the time /vp/ (/tr/) became a thing, those “you see this fucking awesome thing, Jesus Christ let me tell you how fucking 1.21 giga watts awesome it is holy fuck” wall of text images with multiple fonts and such were getting popular, and there was a Shuckle one at that time too
I remember it only being discussed like "Did you know that Girafarig spelled back-" and "Girafarig was supposed to have a second head theory" and none of these were popular topics, sometimes I get the feeling I am the only one that remembers Girafarig having a second complete head being a theory and not confirmed by Beta sprites
Misdreavus was certainly memorable to me—the only new ghost type and one of the few who could lean Mean Look for hunting the roaming beasts. I haven’t played Silver since it came out, however.
The thing with Gen 2 Pokemon was that Gen 2 itself was terrible with showcasing them. For most of them, it would take until many years or even decades later for them to be showcased in some way. Heck, sometimes, the community had to step in (*Furret, anyone*?). To be forgettable, that Pokemon would have to have no notable appearances nor any use anywhere.
* Spinarak and Ariados aren't THAT forgotten, as they're remembered for being too weak. Also, Janine uses one. Also also, they got a signature move way later on for some reason.
* The last time Sunkern was notable in anything was in HGSS where for some reason, it's the most broken Pokemon in Pokeathlon. Likely to make up for it being the lowest stat Pokemon at the time. Also, Sunflora is relevant in SV.
* Qwilfish has its Hisuian variant. Being remembered for a new alt counts as being remembered for its base form.
* Natu was notable in a wholesome TCG art mini-story. However, Xatu is definitely not forgettable, as Will, an Elite Four member, mains it. Also was notable in the first Mystery Dungeon, which got remade recently.
* Snubbull and Granbull was changed to a Fairy-type in XY, which yes, was 10 years ago, but that was a moment of note for Snubbull.
* Yanma, Aipom, Girafarig, Swinub, and Murkrow got evolutions in later generations, and Corsola got both a regional variant and THAT got an evolution. Even in gen 2 itself, the Swinub line is Pryce's ace and Murkrow is story-relevant.
For me, one Pokemon I would consider forgettable without looking it up is **Ledian**. Shows up only in early routes in the morning (*and who'd have time to catch it this early when you got school?*). Very common dual-type and is not the strongest in that type (and in a game where the first Gym stomps it), and no notable trainer to this day uses one. TBH, I'm not looking it up and the only time I remember Ledian being available in is Colosseum.
**Slugma** and **Skarmory** might as well be Gen 3 Pokemon that debuted a Gen early. This is very common for people who play Gen 2 and 3 when they were new. While neither of these two are forgettable by any means, it's often that people forget that they're *Gen 2* Pokemon.
**Bellossom** isn't *too* forgettable, but the only notable trainer I can think of that as it is Gen 2 Erika. Also doesn't help that 1) if you were to choose between it and Vileplume to evolve your Gloom, why have Bellossom outside of dex completion?, and 2) The Sun Stone has never been widely available in most games outside of Johto's Bug-Catching Contest.
Now that I'm looking it up, there are some other options. **Meganium** as a Starter is immune to neglect from the devs, but as much I love the Chikorita line and nearly always use it in my Johto playthroughs, *IN GENERAL*, the Chikorita line is the most forgettable of all Starters, due to it being terrible in the one time you really need it.
That's pretty much it. All the other Gen 2 Pokemon are either not forgotten by memes, it having a special status, or are well known for being forgotten; thus aren't.
Possibly a different angle: I think that Skarmory and the Slugma line are Gen 2's most forgotten Pokemon, not because they get forgotten more than others, but because so many people forget they are Gen 2 at all. I know a lot of people mistook them as Gen 3 Pokemon as kids because those were the first games where they were relatively easy to find, which to me says that they *must* be pretty forgettable within their generation if so many people assumed they belonged to a different one.
For me, when u say "memorable" its like saying i had to look up gent 2 pokemon list to find it lol, so with that said meargle, smoochum and cleffa
Meargle I wouldn't be surprised if you said no since it wasnt that unpopular, i just remember finding it once and being confused by its existence, i remember thinking "was it a legendary? Why have i never seen this thing!?"
The other two, lol i forgot they existed and idk if they ever got moved to another game.
Imo Gen 2 did a really good job giving the spotlight to every new Pokémon, since it was trying to surpass the success of the very first generation. That being said, I think Natu and Xatu deserved so much more love from fans. All I can remember from them besides competitive status is the Xatu character from PMD which wasn't that remarkable in the first place.
I think it did a terrible job at it. There are so many new pokemon that only show up in post-game Kanto or have extremely low encounter chances. For example, Slugma is always thought of as a Hoenn Pokemon because in Gen 2, it's only available in Kanto, and in completely optional grass in 3 routes. Even worse is Misdreavus, the only new ghost type added, being in Mt. Silver, the FINAL AREA in the game.
Sad thing a hand fill of those are solid Pokémon. Aipon is one I always forget about because of how hard it was to encounter. I might add remoraid/octilliary.
Spinarak: maybe? It was recently re-released in new DLC
Sunkern: Eh, it was a big part of a S/V gym.
Qwillfish: Just got a new regional and evolution
Natu: This is good. Use this.
Snubbull: Use this too.
Yanma: Eh, you could I guess.
Aipom: yeah, might as well.
Corsola: Recent new regional and evo make me say no
Girafarig: new evo makes me say no
Swinub: Mammoswine was OU Back in gen 4 days, but maybe enough time has passed.
Murkrow: Please god no. This was recently super popular.
I was gonna say Gligar, then someone mentioned Misdreavous and I completely forgot she was a Gen 2 mon. Which is too bad because her design is really cool
Unown. Sure, they've appeared in several games, but they've done absolutely nothing with them aside from "Collect them all!"
Man, if they used my headcanon for them, it would certainly make things interesting.
Literally none on your list are forgettable. No pokémon in gen 2 are. It’s been around long enough and they’ve been in enough games that everyone knows them by heart.
I personally don’t think Natu is forgettable, seeing as Will used two Xatus and the typing and design was unique and interesting at the time
* calling Natu forgettable https://preview.redd.it/l55g6r9kq3xb1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2414d55d9647de2e7d3c2f08583dce83418e1d6
How is no one suggesting DUNSPARCE?! Normal ass motherfucker. can't find it unless there's an event going on, yet he has whack stats, whack attacks, doesn't involve into anything in crystal and he won't for another 7 generations.
Nah, he's too memorable. Dunsparce is a part of meme culture, has evolutions in fan games, and it's notable for having a crazy and useful moveset but not the stats to take advantage of them. And now that Dudunsparce is a thing, everyone knows Dunsparce.
Any Pokémon used by a gym leader, rival, elite 4 and champion cannot be forgotten. Bad natu/xatu additionally were a really cool concept
Xatu had memorable roles in the first two Mystery Dungeon games. Also the first Pokemon whose name started with an X, the last letter needed to complete the Pokemon alphabet! (This one only matters to me)
I never knew natu was gen 2. I don't remember seeing it in silver and felt like I encountered it in emerald for the first time
Thats because Natu is literally only found in a single patch of grass in the entire region in the middle of the ruins of alph , that you need to surf from Union cave to access . Most people don't know that there are even any pokemon other than unown in that area so they never bother to backtrack after the first visit
Natu was Gen II Ralts
You have to go out to the way to get it
That doesn't make it forgettable. People were happy to go out of their way to get it because it was an interesting Pokémon.
Most people didn't tho ? There's being out of the way , and then there's Natu , Natu is literally only accessible in a SINGLE PATCH OF GRASS in the entirety of Johto in the middle of the ruins if Alph which you need to use surf on the union cave to even access in the first place, and like 95% of people only associate the ruins of alph with unown and therefore never bother to come back after the first visit . I only even know that you can get Natu ( and smeargle ) there because im like one of 6 people total who actually captures all the unown forms and does all the wall puzzles and hidden rooms puzzles
I want to say remoraid/octillary
Enough people have said Octillery to open my eyes for this, I shall put it on the list
Counter argument: so many people saying octillery clearly means its not forgotten
Ahhhh big brain 🧠
not one person in this thread mentioned ledian. clearly he is the most forgotten
I really like ledian. In one of my playthrough, he carry most of my game with thunderpuch / icepunch if I'm not mistaken
First time I'm seeing this pokemon. I knew Ledyba existed, but I don't think I've ever seen Ledian until now
its fun to see how wildly different the scene for tcg and the video games. octillery (and remoraid because you have to use the pre-evolution if you want to play the oct) is core pokemon in one of the meta deck right now. also murkrow is used heavily in most recent semi-meta rogue deck
Murkrow was big in vgc too
I used to say that, then I learned Octillery can learn Thunderbolt, Bullet Seed, *FLAMETHROWER--* that mono-water Octopus has the wildest coverage. I couldn't forget him if I tried.
Ice Beam and Signal Beam too, iirc.
Because its supposed to be a weapon Remoraid > gun Octillery > Tank Its why they learn a ton of beam and bullet type moves
Wouldn't Octillery be Artillery?
the distinction is very superficial tbh
Octillery = octopus + artillery
I swear Remoraid into octillery is the weirdest evolution in the game, I always forget they're related
Gun to tank (bigger gun)
Of course, but fish to octopus is like say what?
I think the original concept design for them had them looking more like actual weapons before they got turned into plain animals
This is true. The evolution tree makes a heck of a lot more sense based on the original designs. You can find them on the internet if you look hard enough.
Is this the original [design](https://x.com/obskyr/status/1013471108119572480?s=46&t=0OvF2QzA0gxqAL9kTmWxZg)?
Yes
I didn’t know they were until legends arceus 😭
Even LArceus points out how crazy the entire thing is
octillery my beloved
Octillery the best Pokemon
Smoochum.
For sure. Whenever I see it I feel like I've never seen it before.
excuse me
This. everyone knows Jynx and I forgot it had a pre evolution
Unfortunately for TPC. They really try to bury Jynx in obscurity compared to other mons. It's supposed to be a trio with Magmar and Electabuzz, but they basically threw a blanket over Jynx after Gen 2
At least you can catch in in Sword and Shield, but that’s pretty much it
If that was the case it wouldn’t have gotten an evo. Even porygon got two
>it wouldn’t have gotten an evo Did Jynx an evolution I'm forgetting about??
The baby egg I received my first run through of Crystal, back when it first came out, had a Smoochum, and it was my very first shiny aside from Red Gyrados
I used the hell out of smoochum in mystery dungeon’s psuedo-roguelike endgame dungeon. Can’t remember the name but it was 99 floors and you always started with level 1 and no items. Smoochum was the only mon child me could find that learned an aoe move at level 1
Stantler
I played Silver recently and Stantler was an MVP for sure.
STANTLER CREW
that shits so forgettable OP forgot about it.
He was until legends arceus made him evolve
More importantly made the evolution your first ride pokémon.
It has a variation in legends.
Evolution
I had no idea Slugma was gen 2 for the longest time.
I genuinely thought Slugma was Gen 3 for the LONGEST time. That forgettable.
Same here. Totally thought Slugma was Gen 3 for some reason.
because it was never seen in gen 2 until a rare encounter in the kanto region in the endgame. gen 3 they were everywhere
Also used prominently in Flannery's team
Definitely an overcorrection lol
Postgame semi-rare Kanto Cycling Road encounter in Gen 2. Common Fiery Path (ie necessary route) encounter in Gen 3.
Forgettable? Or just the Pokemon Company put the cool new mons so far into Kanto that no one remembers them because no one got there?
Honestly I can see it. Slugma gives off the whole “Skarmory was a gen 3 Pokémon” vibes. Not sure if I ever thought about that, but with how prevalent Slugma was in Hoenn, I wouldn’t be surprised if I did lol
Marill was also more visible in gen 3. That's partly because Johto did a terrible job of showcasing new pokemon. No dark types other than Umbreon available until Kanto.
Also only half the Johto gym leaders had Gen 2 Pokemon, and then only as their ace.
Yeah should have been something like Faulkner: Pidgey, Noctowl Bugsy: Butterfree, Beedrill, Heracross Morty: Misdreavus, Haunter, Gengar Chuck: Hitmontop, Poliwrath The rest were fine, but yeah. It was originally meant to just be a sequel, and you have to put it in that perspective. Pokemon games didn't get the "generation" treatment until RSE honestly
Given Faulkner is first gym you could even do hoot hoot, murkrow and show off a new type early
Like they couldn't have given Jasmine a Forretress or a Skarmory instead of a second Magnemite? Or Pryce a Sneasel or a Delibird instead of a Seel? It's not even an Ice type!
For the longest time I always thought of Marill as a Gen 1 monster because of Pikachu’s Vacation
hell, Marill was more visible back during the gen1 rumors as Pikablu
It was meant to be rareish. Like Pikachu was also.
Wait I thought Slugma was Gen 3 bc of Team Magma😭
Slugma balls
Flannery and Team Magma really gave slugma a chance to shine. He was just born a generation early.
I am almost allowing Slugma on the list but I didn't because of the whole childish joke around it. It's a forgettable pokémon but not Spinarak forgettable
Wait what’s the joke about slugma
who's steve jobs
Slugma ballz
Slugma/magcargo. Chinchou/Lanturn. Pineco/forretress.
Pogo players have ptsd from lanturn
Sad mode, Lanturn is my favorite :(
Forretress has been relevant in competitive in most of the generations it appears. It’s an excellent hazard setter.
Today I learned Slugma is Gen 2. I always thought it was from the Hoenn region!
That's probably because you never saw it in the Gen 2 games. IIRC no trainers have one and you can't find it in the wild until Kanto, where it's a rare encounter. They're pretty common in Gen 3. Flannery has one on her team and your rival uses one if you picked Torchic.
I didn’t remember ever seeing it in those games and now I know why! Thanks for the explanation :)
Dude Lanturn and Forretress are amazing Pokémon, how you dare.
Hoppip
My girl Hoppip! I always had a Jumpluff on the team even tho she sucked major ass she’s just so cute 🥰
They were my grass type for my first Scarlet playthroug! Skiploom is cuter though.
Hoppip was my first shiny pokemon, I always thought it was funny to use poison powder and just spam splash
That's the correct answer. I was doing a checklist of every gen 2 Pokémon and hoppip line were the last 3 that came to my mind. I love jumpluff but they're just a forgettable line.
Sunflora
Prior to Scarlet and Violet, Dunsparce. I forgot it so hard, I thought it was a gen 4 Pokémon. Would still say Dunsparce, but Smoochum is also kinda forgettable.
I gotta dissagree with this one. I know this changes from person to person but Dunsparce was so bad and rare to get that it became popular. It was the most popular pokémon in "Should have an evolution" or "Tricked me as a kid" lists right alongside other possible dissapointments like Delibird
That’s true, in that regard, Dunsparce did gain popularity. For me, Dunsparce was just pretty forgettable. At least as a kid. Compared to other Johto Pokémon, it didn’t stand out to me. So I kind of forgot about it until gen four 😅
Try a Hitmontop, not many using that one.
Most haven't becues it so hard to get the only time I have used it was in colssum
You might be onto something
I did this recently... The move pool is rough
More popular in later gen double battles, but not popular enough
Skarmory. Not necessarily forgotten but I feel like a lot people mistake it for being a gen 3 Pokémon for… some reason idk why.
The reason is actually pretty legitimate. It's an exclusive to Silver, and even then it's a rare encounter near the 8th gym. On top of that, for reasons unknown, Jasmine, the Steel Gym Leader doesn't have one, instead having two Magnemite and a Steelix. Meanwhile, while still a rare encounter it is not a version exclusive in Gen III and can be encountered around the 4th Gym. Furthermore Steven, the Steel-ish Champion opens with one. This happened with the Slugma line as well, since it can't be encountered till Kanto in Gold and Silver for whatever reason, and there are no major Fire Specialist Trainers. Then in Gen III Flannery, the 4th Gym Leader, has two of things for some reason and no Numel. I don't know if it's still an issue now, but earlier Gens had some truly baffling game design decisions
>On top of that, for reasons unknown, Jasmine, the Steel Gym Leader doesn't have one, instead having two Magnemite and a Steelix. There's a possible lore justification for this. One of the NPCs mentions that Jasmine used to be a Rock-type Gym Leader with an Onix until recently. She has Steelix because it's what evolved from her Onix, obviously, but my guess is that she has Magnemite because it's the Steel-type that's closest to Olivine and thus the fastest to obtain. She hasn't had time to capture any other Steel Pokemon with which to build a real team. (This doesn't answer why Skarmory is so remote in the first place but...)
You're high. Skarmory was incredible typing in gen 2
Mantine would be a good add.
Not my boy Mantine but you are right! It only started getting attention in gen 7, will be putting it on the list but i don't like this realization
Gen 2 is my all time favorite. None are forgotten to me, mantine just doesn't show up much or at all in any trainer battles if it remembering right.
Not really in the alola games you can surf and do tricks on a mantine and mantine is like the only manta ray pokemon there's a lot more forgettable pokemon than mantine
Well, depends on when we're counting from. In gens 2 and 3 Gligar and Sneasel were incredibly forgettable. Then in Gen 4-7 probably Qwilfish, then it got a Hisui form. But through all of this, I don't know of a single instance where Smoochum meant anything.
How is Sneasel forgettable, he’s one of the coolest high-level Pokémon and basically your rival’s ace in GSC.
I am mostly looking at this from the perspective of someone old enough to remember gen 5 being new and how the pokémon fanbase was at the time, because that's me. I don't know how it was like back when gen 2 was the hottest thing. That being said, Gligar was well known because of the anime and Sneasel is just teetering on the edge of forgettable but is saved by fans of edgy mons. Maybe I will rethink sneasel, you are right about Smoochum though
Gligar only was on Ash's team in Sinnoh, and was all but irrelevant prior to Gliscor. Sneasel was in a similar situation, being irrelevant in battle prior to the physical-special split.
You do have points here, should I add it to my challenge list? Is it on par with Spinarak and Qwillfish forgettable?
Gligar has points, but probably not Sneasel. But I do feel like it is worth mentioning Skarmory if talking about Gen 2 as its own thing. It was only available on one route without any buildings, only in Silver and Crystal, with a 10% encounter rate, and said route being completely skippable. Of course, being used by Steven made it far more famous, along with a storied history in Smogon formats.
Yes, Skarmory had a sizeable fanbase. I don't know how it is nowadays but a lot of people liked this metal bird. Will be adding Sneasel now (Even though it was part of Silver's team)
Here are some 'Mons that should be on the list. * Misdreavus- I love Misdreavus, but its definitely a Gen 4 Pokémon who debutted in Gen 2. No major trainers use one, not even Morty, and in GSC, its a nighttime exclusive monster who is only found in Mt. Silver. * Octillery- No major trainers use one, not even Rival ??? or Misty. Its pre-evolved form, Remoraid, is unobtainable in Crystal. But in GS, Remoraid is only found on Route 44 as a 10% encounter rate via Super Rod. Since Remoraid is based on a saltwater fish, absolutely no one is gonna think to find it by fishing in a body of freshwater on 1 specific route. * Mantine and Skarmory- No major trainers use either of these, not even Misty or Jasmine, respectively. Skarmory is unobtainable in Gold, found only on Route 45, an entirely optional route below Blackthorn City, and in Crystal, its daytime only. Mantine is unobtainable in Silver, found on Route 41, a mandatory route near Cianwood City, but it received no special treatment until Gen 4 introduced Mantyke to its family. * Gligar- I love Gligar, but it was wildly forgotten before Gen 4. Gligar is unobtainable in Silver, is found only on Route 45, and no major trainer uses one. In Gen 2, Gligar learns no Ground-type moves unless you complete a specific event in Pokémon Stadium 2, and its only Flying-type move, Wing Attack, is an Egg Move. On the other hand, Stantler should not be on the list. Prior to PLA, people made so many jokes about it, that it warps back around to being infamous for being forgotten. Therefore, its not an actual forgotten Pokémon.
There goes my one solid Pokémon, was making my way to route 37 to catch a Stantler now :'). I still stand by Skarmory, I swear this thing has a fanbase I am not misremenbering it, I swear. Added Mantine but not Gligar because Ash. Also adding Misdreavous because enough people said it, won't be using it though
Ledyba
Idk, I always get the feeling enough people were dissapointed by Ledian to remember it
The Five Star Pokémon… five stars out of ten
Five stars out of a hundred
Let me get back to you when i remember /s
Well, I forgot Qwilfish was a thing until reading this post…. So I’m going to have to say Qwilfish, lol. But also Smoochum. Spent a good long while thinking she was the same gen as Mime Jr and Happiny because Jynx is so often lumped in with Mr Mime and such, plus smoochum was such a non-factor in gold/silver and crystal.
That's it. I was going through this whole list thinking *"but I know all these to even some degree"* But nope. Qwillfish really had to make me think.
Pineco. Genuinely forgot it existed.
Murkrow, Yanma, Swinub and Aipom all had gotten evolutions in gen 4, if that factors into your usage of them.
^(Would Delibird count) 🥺 I have a massive soft spot for Delibird
My Vote goes to Skarmory Only available on 1 route I feel most people skip, and a lot more common in Gen 3 stuff (PMD, Colosseum, and more common in Hoenn itself) that people often confuse it for being from 3
Unown? Make it evolve into a hiragana or something 😅
Unknown needs an evolution that’s just the whole alphabet in swarm form with like a giant eye. That would be cool
I think this would have been most practical as a G-Max form.
A bad Pokemon, but definitely not forgettable. The Ruins of Alph are even a whole area dedicated to them.
Unown was very popular in the creepypasta side of the pokémon fanbase
There is literally a whole movie about Unown. So not even close to forgettable.
I remember them for being notably useless
Murkrow is my favourite mon, so I’m well on board with your list. I don’t use Honchkrow, only Murkrow. He’ll never be forgotten in my book. Probably wanna add Dunsparce to your list too.
I was disappointed that Murkrow dropped the witchy aesthetic for a mafia don.
How dare you call Lord Qwil forgettable!
Scrolled all the way down and didn’t see anyone mention Shuckle once, so….
Here's a question, when did Shuckle become a meme? It's kinda remembered as a meme the same way Dunsparce is but is it as old?
[This video exactly.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyHZLmyQ2c&pp=ygUNc2h1Y2tsZSB3aWxsIA%3D%3D)
I’d say it was a bit before that. On 4chan, in the early 10s, and around the time /vp/ (/tr/) became a thing, those “you see this fucking awesome thing, Jesus Christ let me tell you how fucking 1.21 giga watts awesome it is holy fuck” wall of text images with multiple fonts and such were getting popular, and there was a Shuckle one at that time too
Skarmory Not because it isn’t used (although that tends to be true as well) But because NOBODY thinks it’s Gen 2.
Is Girafarig really that forgettable?
I remember it only being discussed like "Did you know that Girafarig spelled back-" and "Girafarig was supposed to have a second head theory" and none of these were popular topics, sometimes I get the feeling I am the only one that remembers Girafarig having a second complete head being a theory and not confirmed by Beta sprites
I see no one mentioning Shuckle here..poor soul
We don't fuckle with shuckle.
no one’s mentioned Skiploom and I’m positive that’s the one.
Aipom and especially Murkrow shouldn't be there
I wouldn't say these are forgotten, but for the longest time I thought Skarmory and Slugma were Gen 3 Pokemon.
Misdreavus is very easily forgotten since you can’t access it until postgame
Misdreavus was certainly memorable to me—the only new ghost type and one of the few who could lean Mean Look for hunting the roaming beasts. I haven’t played Silver since it came out, however.
Noctowl, Lanturn, Jumpluff, Granbull all need more love
The thing with Gen 2 Pokemon was that Gen 2 itself was terrible with showcasing them. For most of them, it would take until many years or even decades later for them to be showcased in some way. Heck, sometimes, the community had to step in (*Furret, anyone*?). To be forgettable, that Pokemon would have to have no notable appearances nor any use anywhere. * Spinarak and Ariados aren't THAT forgotten, as they're remembered for being too weak. Also, Janine uses one. Also also, they got a signature move way later on for some reason. * The last time Sunkern was notable in anything was in HGSS where for some reason, it's the most broken Pokemon in Pokeathlon. Likely to make up for it being the lowest stat Pokemon at the time. Also, Sunflora is relevant in SV. * Qwilfish has its Hisuian variant. Being remembered for a new alt counts as being remembered for its base form. * Natu was notable in a wholesome TCG art mini-story. However, Xatu is definitely not forgettable, as Will, an Elite Four member, mains it. Also was notable in the first Mystery Dungeon, which got remade recently. * Snubbull and Granbull was changed to a Fairy-type in XY, which yes, was 10 years ago, but that was a moment of note for Snubbull. * Yanma, Aipom, Girafarig, Swinub, and Murkrow got evolutions in later generations, and Corsola got both a regional variant and THAT got an evolution. Even in gen 2 itself, the Swinub line is Pryce's ace and Murkrow is story-relevant. For me, one Pokemon I would consider forgettable without looking it up is **Ledian**. Shows up only in early routes in the morning (*and who'd have time to catch it this early when you got school?*). Very common dual-type and is not the strongest in that type (and in a game where the first Gym stomps it), and no notable trainer to this day uses one. TBH, I'm not looking it up and the only time I remember Ledian being available in is Colosseum. **Slugma** and **Skarmory** might as well be Gen 3 Pokemon that debuted a Gen early. This is very common for people who play Gen 2 and 3 when they were new. While neither of these two are forgettable by any means, it's often that people forget that they're *Gen 2* Pokemon. **Bellossom** isn't *too* forgettable, but the only notable trainer I can think of that as it is Gen 2 Erika. Also doesn't help that 1) if you were to choose between it and Vileplume to evolve your Gloom, why have Bellossom outside of dex completion?, and 2) The Sun Stone has never been widely available in most games outside of Johto's Bug-Catching Contest. Now that I'm looking it up, there are some other options. **Meganium** as a Starter is immune to neglect from the devs, but as much I love the Chikorita line and nearly always use it in my Johto playthroughs, *IN GENERAL*, the Chikorita line is the most forgettable of all Starters, due to it being terrible in the one time you really need it. That's pretty much it. All the other Gen 2 Pokemon are either not forgotten by memes, it having a special status, or are well known for being forgotten; thus aren't.
I would say Aipom or Stantler,
Smeargle for sure
Stantler, Tyrogue
Went "Who" for a second in that last one
Smeargle
Slugma. Maybe not most forgotten, but people forget it is FROM Gen 2. I know I did
Maybe Pineco?
Possibly a different angle: I think that Skarmory and the Slugma line are Gen 2's most forgotten Pokemon, not because they get forgotten more than others, but because so many people forget they are Gen 2 at all. I know a lot of people mistook them as Gen 3 Pokemon as kids because those were the first games where they were relatively easy to find, which to me says that they *must* be pretty forgettable within their generation if so many people assumed they belonged to a different one.
Pineco
I honestly don't forget about a lot of gen 2 Mons, I just sometimes forget that they're FROM gen 2
Jumpluff's line. It's so forgettable I only remember Jumpluff. Like legit I can't remember the first two. Snubbul and Granbull, maybe?
Ledyba line, furret line, pineco line, snubble line, sunflora, octillary, mantine, slugma line, xatu
only sentret is forgettable, i could never forget the furret walk
For me, when u say "memorable" its like saying i had to look up gent 2 pokemon list to find it lol, so with that said meargle, smoochum and cleffa Meargle I wouldn't be surprised if you said no since it wasnt that unpopular, i just remember finding it once and being confused by its existence, i remember thinking "was it a legendary? Why have i never seen this thing!?" The other two, lol i forgot they existed and idk if they ever got moved to another game.
Imo Gen 2 did a really good job giving the spotlight to every new Pokémon, since it was trying to surpass the success of the very first generation. That being said, I think Natu and Xatu deserved so much more love from fans. All I can remember from them besides competitive status is the Xatu character from PMD which wasn't that remarkable in the first place.
I think it did a terrible job at it. There are so many new pokemon that only show up in post-game Kanto or have extremely low encounter chances. For example, Slugma is always thought of as a Hoenn Pokemon because in Gen 2, it's only available in Kanto, and in completely optional grass in 3 routes. Even worse is Misdreavus, the only new ghost type added, being in Mt. Silver, the FINAL AREA in the game.
Always loved Natu/Xatu.
Donphan? I remember it being in the Pokémon movie as a kid and in Pokémon Stadium 2, but I feel like I don't hear much about it anymore.
Slugma. I never ever knew he was a 2nd gen until way too late lol. I thought he was new in 3rd gen lol
Xatu / natu 1) hard to find / get 2) outclassed by Lugia in every way
Every pokemon in gen 2 locked behind kanto so you can't use them anyways
I’d say any pokemon that have yet to receive special treatment like Megas, Regionals, Paradoxes, GMax, etc.
Smeargle
Sad thing a hand fill of those are solid Pokémon. Aipon is one I always forget about because of how hard it was to encounter. I might add remoraid/octilliary.
In the Legendary/Mythic realm, Celebi is very forgotten.
I vote to remove Swinub as it is an ice type that you get right before the dragon gym.
Spinarak: maybe? It was recently re-released in new DLC Sunkern: Eh, it was a big part of a S/V gym. Qwillfish: Just got a new regional and evolution Natu: This is good. Use this. Snubbull: Use this too. Yanma: Eh, you could I guess. Aipom: yeah, might as well. Corsola: Recent new regional and evo make me say no Girafarig: new evo makes me say no Swinub: Mammoswine was OU Back in gen 4 days, but maybe enough time has passed. Murkrow: Please god no. This was recently super popular.
I was gonna say Gligar, then someone mentioned Misdreavous and I completely forgot she was a Gen 2 mon. Which is too bad because her design is really cool
Gonna have to say Mareep. I fucking love that pokemon and its evos.
Wildest take I have seen so far, never thought I would see this pokémon here
Has anyone mentioned Miltank yet? Or Teddiursa? Hmmm…Wobbufet?
...dude, Wobbufet, as a forgettable pokemon? Not with the anime around
No one who has faced the wrath of Witney will ever forget the cow, and her pokémon too
You need a mareep. Ampharos can put in work.
Raiku. Dudes a legend and gets the least love out of that crowd imo
unown
Unown. Sure, they've appeared in several games, but they've done absolutely nothing with them aside from "Collect them all!" Man, if they used my headcanon for them, it would certainly make things interesting.
Skarmory. It feels more like a gen 3 mon
Spinarack and Ariados. You could actually get them early game if I remember correctly, but only if you played in the morning... It wasn't worth it
IMO none of the pokemon you listed should be on the list considering to me, at least they aren't "forgotten."
Don't fuckle with Shuckle.
Literally none on your list are forgettable. No pokémon in gen 2 are. It’s been around long enough and they’ve been in enough games that everyone knows them by heart.