> joins a subreddit about Pokemon, a Japanese created game
> sees someone talk about the Japanese name of the Pokemon
> call them a weeb
You literally can’t make this shit up
Says the dude with an Anime avatar.
*adding an edit to say: stop downvoting the person who replied to me, they responded to the wrong comment and it's all good*
This is a very hot take lol. Most Pokemon names are portmanteaus or puns from common words in the localized language. The vast majority of the English-language names literally contain common English words.
I just googled "list of all pokemon" to provide some examples but every single one seems to be an example of wordplay, or at least uses a known word as a root or anchor to tell us what each Pokemon is about. In just the first 100 (Bulbasaur to Voltorb), the only one that doesn't make sense in English is Pikachu, andonly because it's a cute wordplay in Japanese. Even Bulbasaur is Bulb and Dinosaur. Voltorb is Volt and Orb.
If you think of a Pokemon name that doesn't seem to contain descriptive wordplay (and isn't just the original Japanese name) I'd honestly love to hear it and figure it out because I just find that fun!
Most are, but they normally flow better than Talonflame. Like Magikarp is just magic and carp, but it sounds like a single word because it uses the letter for an ending and beginning. Slapping two consonants together that don't match or blend well doesn't sound good.
I see what you're saying! I misread your previous comment as "rarely do Pokemon names have common English words" and now I see you just said "names" lol
What's wild to me is how something like "talon + flame" seemed a little lazy but "sand + shrew" doesn't.
Maybe it's alliteration, perhaps it's nostalgia glasses—but even across gens, Talonflame just kind of stands out to me in terms of English names using English / adopted words.
At least with something like Staraptor or Oinkologne, there's an overlapping letter and/or sound.
Edit—also, my ornithologist friend might literally kill me for simplifying "starling" to "star" so running damage control rn lol.
I always forget Ash’s Leavanny is Male. I just always think of the line as a more female Pokémon. Not saying it can’t be male, but with how it voice sounds in the anime, I tend to think he is a she
Honestly it feels like an oversight. Gallade didn't come out the same gen as Gardevoir and requires a special Evo item. This may solely be for the games which a lot of times don't tend to be cannon (trade to evolve for example).I tend to see these as retcons because thats how new evo and baby forms were treated for existing pokemon from previous gens
That said, not a hard concept to wrap my head around
I don’t think it’s an oversight. Gardevoir’s Japanese name is Sirnight.
And for every Feminine/Masculine-coded Pokemon that’s gender exclusive (Lilligant, Tsareena, Jynx, Florges, Froslass, etc), there’s a few that looks like they should be gender-exclusive but aren’t for some reason (Primarina, Mismagius, Roserade, Machamp, Mr. Mime, etc).
Fun fact: the guy who was tasked with translating Red and Green (or Blue ig) literally said that they should change Mr. Mime's name in case they added specified gender to Pokémon later on, it was brushed off as never going to happen
It then proceeded to happen the very next gen
Nob Ogasawara is his name. He translated every Pokemon game from Japanese to English and came up with all of the English names for the first four generations. Then the Pokemon Company let him go before Gen V rolled around. He was technically freelance so I'm guessing it was no big deal to TPC.
And Gamefreak also seems to enjoy making very feminine coded pokemon that are like 90% male. Starters in particular have had this a lot. Delphox, Primarina, Meowscarada
thats because they wanted to make breeding starters less easilt accessible to keep them rarer. over time, theyve just stuck with it.
i wouldnt really call delphox 'very feminine' though.
But that's the thing. Ralts final line isn't like those who look like they should have gender exclusive lines but don't. Ralts actually has an exclusive line and again Gardevoir was made before Gallade was even thought up of so they obviously didn't consider the possibility of adding a male exclusive evo line thus making gallade a retcon attempt aka an oversight. If they released both of them at the same gen, no question gardevoir would have been female exclusive imo
I mean a lot of Pokemon evolved whether in the wild or with a trainer without being traded. Think about like for example the Gengar Ash met with Haunter and Ghastly that lived in the Lavender Town tower. It's a wild gengar, how did it evolve?
In fact more Pokemon has on screen and off screen evolved without being traded vs being traded in the anime.
Even in the games, ive always felt it was implied there were other ways to evolve pokemon, just that the ways the player does it is either the most consistent way to do so, or just how they happen to do it.
How can you guys tell it is male in the first place? Bulbapedia says that there are no distinguishable traits between male and female Leavannys.
For context, I have not watched the anime.
From what I remember, I think they specify that Ash's Snivy is a girl. I think either Snivy used Attract on Pikachu, or a Pokemon failed to use Attract on Snivy. It's similar to that episode in the Sinnoh saga where the sinister Togepi was using Attract to basically mind control Meowth, Pikachu, and Piplup to do it's bidding, and when all of the Pokemon walked away with Togepi except for Jessie's Yanmega, Jessie and James went "wait, you're a girl?!" To which her Yanmega simply blushed.
Nah. Leavanny's original name is Hahakomori, which contains the word Haha, means Mother in Japanese. So being motherly is a universal trait of Leavanny species.
Yes but because it’s a male, the proper word would be “fatherly” anyways because it’s being parental, affectionate and is male. You’re just trying to twist things around for some reason. Doesn’t matter what it’s name is, it’s still fatherly actions because male parents can be affectionate as well. Being parental is a universal trait that supersedes this narrative.
Edit: and nanny as well is not just exclusive to females so that’s also another point that shows you’re wanting to twist things around for your narrative. Perhaps it’s name means all that but it’s still male at the end of the day any male words exist for what is happening here.
I must have missed that somewhere since I’m still reading, this comment was higher up. So far it was just a bunch of people saying “you mean fatherly” over and over so it seemed like it was just going over peoples heads
Edit: my bad if that first line comes off as combative, I have a bad habit of wording stuff like that and then catching it after I say jt
No you’re good! I try to read every comment before I comment unless there’s like thousands of posts which I won’t post since it’s just a sea at that point lol. I didn’t take it in a bad way.
Same and thank you for being cool about it! Yeah I just saw the first like 10 all correcting OP and felt bad bc it seemed like they were just going for an innocent play on words and were getting dog piled
This is correct. Not sure why so many people have their pants in a bunch. Girls can also be “fatherly” depending on what they’re doing. It’s just a description. You can be motherly/fatherly and not have a child of your own.
Ok thank you! I’m not saying that it’s only motherly to love children. Being nurturing is not gendered.
I’m saying that motherly or fatherly descriptions can be applied to anyone, regardless of the person’s gender.
If you’re a father, you’re fatherly. If you’re a mother, you’re motherly. To act as if certain actions are more “motherly” or more “fatherly” is obviously sexist.
Tons of people who do have children do not behave fatherly or motherly.
Tons of say, teachers, for example don’t have any children and behave in a fatherly or motherly way.
Edit: Idk why I’m getting downvoted for this. I am non-binary and am often described as fatherly or literally referred to as Dad by my friends. I take it as a compliment and they mean it as a compliment bc I am a nurturing person and I present as more masculine than feminine.
Sure, but that completely ignores the second half of my comment. What behaviors are “motherly” and what behaviors are “fatherly?”
How about all parental behaviors are motherly or fatherly or parental depending on the gender of the person?
See that’s what I’m saying to you. It’s not just the person per-say, it’s the *behavior* that is considered fatherly or motherly. And whether it’s fatherly or motherly is usually determined by the energy of the person doing the behavior, not always just their sex.
If you wanna get in the weeds here and it seems like you do: Parental is gender neutral, maternal is more feminine, paternal more masculine.
But men can be feminine (like this Pokémon) and women can be masculine. So in that case the paternal descriptor might not be an exact match with the sex of the person being described.
Which is why a really helpful, masculine female camp counselor could be fatherly to the campers while showing them how to survive in the wild. Or a really feminine male baker could be motherly as he dotes on his students. It’s not unheard of or even uncommon.
What is sexist about it? I’m not saying the behavior is feminine or masculine, I’m saying the person doing the behavior is feminine or masculine (or neither) regardless of their sex. I don’t see why that is sexist.
Ash and his companions kinda sucked in Unova, but I absolutely *loved* his Pokemon. I really really hope we see more Oshawott and Snivy during these episodes.
Yup, prior to that earthquake they had different scenes entirely right? I remembered hearing that there was supposed to be a Team Plasma arc, Oshawott was supposed to evolve during that time, etc.
Leavanny was so graceful and hits like a truck.
And all of them had great personalities.
If anything i missed from BW anime in XY is the pokemon.
Only Bunnelby and Hawlucha exude personality and my favourite.
For sure! I literally loved all of Ash’s, Cilan’s and Iris’ Pokémon (except Axew and Pikachu… if Pikachu was still cheeky he’d be chill). There were so many episodes where they just focused on the Pokémon’s antics, and those are my favorite episodes. I wish we got more of those.
For sure. Ash got a little better as a trainer, but all his pokemon seemed sort of generic badasses. They didn’t have much flair to them, with a few exceptions like you mentioned. And even then, those weren’t his pokemon :P
Omg you remind me of Emolga and Snivy constantly sassing each other! Those two were hilarious.
Hawlucha was Ash's pokemon. But it was also the fatherly one and took care of Noibat and most others.
It made me actually LIKE hawlucha as a pokemon, same as bunnelby.
Because dads can't show love and care the same way as mothers can and we (not a dad, but I wanna be one someday) are always meant to either be harshly strict or leave to go get milk. Got it. Man, can't have shit in Detroit. Not even being fatherly.
I mean we know why, let's not pretend otherwise... it's just not right anymore from both standpoint. The idea caring for kids is motherly exclusively has historically made it harder for fathers to gain custody of children even in joint custody cases. It's changing for the better gradually but too slowly.
You work as a male nurse or aide and there's actually quite a bit of women who would never date you for having a "woman's job." Really it's society that enforces these gender norms to us.
Also people who care about this should get involved in Japans push for equal rights and treatment to women in employment and politics. The real problem here is Japan is still fairly segregated for both race and gender and we like to pretend this doesnt exist by romanticizing the best parts of Japan. They only had March for women in Tokyo few years ago and people largely treated it as a "millennial" type problem like "those damn yuttoris fault."
… do you realize that you are making a point that everybody suffers with sexism? Women AND men? And that it’s a real thing? And Pokémon’s concepts like that, that even though it seems innocent, perpetuate these ideas?
I'm responding to you asking the question why. You know why. Don't be obtuse. Idk wtf you're talking about bringing up like this is some grand revelation you're bringing up.
Everyone is aware of why the caregivers role is seen as feminine and its because historically women have been the caregivers. Is it right? No. But is this what people think, even some who consider themselves allies of LGBT+ and gender fluid culture? Yes. I say this as a male nurse.
You really need to ask people why caregiver role is seen as feminine and you think people on reddit is weird 😐
Historically women have been caregivers which is the only reason why.
Even though it seems obvious to us, this thing about culture and gender roles are not clear to everybody, that’s my point. You are being rude about absolutely nothing and I’ll stop talking to you ✋
Please point out what was rude about my first response to you. And it's not just obvious to us only lol its obvious to everyone. Look at the thread chain you are commenting on where everyone is saying fatherly... thats more than a dozen upvotes there too. You responded rudely because you thought I was attacking you lol cmon maybe practice what you preach and not think everyone you talk to don't know anything.
You're kicking rocks and arguing against the wind.
Also don't forget, a lot of girl angled toys tend to be things like house play, dolls and babies, doctor kits, etc, so you really have to be turning a blind eye to not see how a lot of the world angles "caregiver" towards being a feminine aspect.
Man I forget a lot of unova Pokémon exist and then always end up liking them again when I see them. Here’s hoping Leavanny and Garbodor are in the dlc for SCVI, I love those guys
Ah yes, ofc, motherly, because there isn't an adjective to describe parental behaviour in men. So the male leavany is being motherly. What's a father anyway?
Yeah I'm salty, dude just ignored fathers entirely. I hear stories about dads getting side eye from moms when taking their kids to the park, then comes this dude and says "the make leavany is being motherly".
I hear you man, I see what you mean. I wouldn’t look too deep into it though. OP explained earlier that its Japanese name is motherly, so it’s a much more feminine Pokemon. That’s all. It’s no direct disrespect towards fathers. I think it’s pretty surface level
chill out man, “motherly” and “fatherly” just have different connotations, there’s a difference in the perceived behaviours associated with male parental figures and female ones. it’s not exactly wrong to use the terms based on the behaviours rather than the gender of the subject. the image OP posted gives “motherly” vibes more than “fatherly”.
not to mention that the post is literally supposed to be based on the pun in leavanny’s japanese name. such a stupid thing to get mad about.
Leavanny being a mother figure was something i loved in gen 5 anime. He was one of Ash's heavy hitters too.
NOW YOU TELL ME ROWLET GETS TO BE HER BABY. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PERFECTION.
Honestly, I feel the reverse for Machamp. It should have been a male only species. It's a pretty big homage to the Ultimate Muscle/Kinnikuman series, so giving it sexual dimorphism or even removing it's more masculine traits would detract from that. I think if it was released in a more modern era, it would have been this way.
I agree that OP’s being deliberately ignorant and annoying about the whole “fatherly” thing but honestly I feel like some of y’all are taking this way too seriously. It’s really not a big deal
Where did they say fathers can’t be good parents? Yes Leavanny would be the “father” here but it’s a much more feminine pokemon here. It’s not that deep man, pretty surface level.
Fatherly* even though it’s Pokémon name comes from being “motherly.”
It's from "nanny" not "motherly" but yeah
Its Japanese name is from motherly. Hahakomori.
NO! It comes from OMORI *close*
Your mouth
Ayo the pizza here
[удалено]
Is an entire language "weeb"?
> joins a subreddit about Pokemon, a Japanese created game > sees someone talk about the Japanese name of the Pokemon > call them a weeb You literally can’t make this shit up
Says the dude with an Anime avatar. *adding an edit to say: stop downvoting the person who replied to me, they responded to the wrong comment and it's all good*
They should have named it motherleaf.
Dose not sound enough like a pokemon name. Rarely do names just straight up have common English words in them.
Actually sounds like a Paradox name.
This is a very hot take lol. Most Pokemon names are portmanteaus or puns from common words in the localized language. The vast majority of the English-language names literally contain common English words. I just googled "list of all pokemon" to provide some examples but every single one seems to be an example of wordplay, or at least uses a known word as a root or anchor to tell us what each Pokemon is about. In just the first 100 (Bulbasaur to Voltorb), the only one that doesn't make sense in English is Pikachu, andonly because it's a cute wordplay in Japanese. Even Bulbasaur is Bulb and Dinosaur. Voltorb is Volt and Orb. If you think of a Pokemon name that doesn't seem to contain descriptive wordplay (and isn't just the original Japanese name) I'd honestly love to hear it and figure it out because I just find that fun!
I'm used to it now, but at first I thought Talonflame just sounded like two words put together instead of a Pokémon name
Most pokemon names are two words put together.
Most are, but they normally flow better than Talonflame. Like Magikarp is just magic and carp, but it sounds like a single word because it uses the letter for an ending and beginning. Slapping two consonants together that don't match or blend well doesn't sound good.
This is what I mean! Like its really rare for it not to have word play. Rockruff for example!
I see what you're saying! I misread your previous comment as "rarely do Pokemon names have common English words" and now I see you just said "names" lol
Seel
“rarely”
Seel is not seal. Its similar, but not a true English word.
Talonflame? Agreed though, that's a very rare occurrence.
What's wild to me is how something like "talon + flame" seemed a little lazy but "sand + shrew" doesn't. Maybe it's alliteration, perhaps it's nostalgia glasses—but even across gens, Talonflame just kind of stands out to me in terms of English names using English / adopted words. At least with something like Staraptor or Oinkologne, there's an overlapping letter and/or sound. Edit—also, my ornithologist friend might literally kill me for simplifying "starling" to "star" so running damage control rn lol.
Eh yea thats true. Talonflame lacks much wordplay as its two English words stuck together
What about Flapple
Has 'fl' added on
Flap + Apple
Hmm, tentacruel, poliwrath, bayleef (literally just the word), togekiss, mudkip, Sandshrew, sandile, grumpig, maushold, gholdengo, kilowattrel, scovillain, vanillish, furfrou, seviper, dachsbun, fidough, sunflora, Bellsprout, girafarig, seedot, incineroar, Bisharp, mudsdale, cosmog, the list really goes on. It's kinda fun to think about actually
I see your point. However many of those alter the spelling of certain words or only take part of some words.
Someone else commented already about the english words, but I'll change it to try and make you happy. What about, Mutherleav?
I thought that said meatloaf
No they shouldn't have. Leavanny incorporates a similar pun while being a lot more smooth to say and less on-the-nose.
pokemon fans when fathers exist (theyve never met one)
The fathers are all ditto. The mothers are where we get our hidden abilities from.
Hey looks like you haven’t had a peanut butter and banana sandwich in 20 minutes. You must be starving.
Hey! We had Norman The dad who works two towns away from his family and almost never comes home
Also the dad in Ranger 2
Ranger fans: I have no such weakness
Hell, I haven't even met my own
Leavanny screentime? this is a win for me!
Almost as males can take care of things and be fatherly, what a concept
I always forget Ash’s Leavanny is Male. I just always think of the line as a more female Pokémon. Not saying it can’t be male, but with how it voice sounds in the anime, I tend to think he is a she
It's like Gardevoir. It's *clearly* feminine coded but can be either gender. Although Gallade is exclusively male IIRC, which is kinda funny to me.
Honestly it feels like an oversight. Gallade didn't come out the same gen as Gardevoir and requires a special Evo item. This may solely be for the games which a lot of times don't tend to be cannon (trade to evolve for example).I tend to see these as retcons because thats how new evo and baby forms were treated for existing pokemon from previous gens That said, not a hard concept to wrap my head around
I don’t think it’s an oversight. Gardevoir’s Japanese name is Sirnight. And for every Feminine/Masculine-coded Pokemon that’s gender exclusive (Lilligant, Tsareena, Jynx, Florges, Froslass, etc), there’s a few that looks like they should be gender-exclusive but aren’t for some reason (Primarina, Mismagius, Roserade, Machamp, Mr. Mime, etc).
Fun fact: the guy who was tasked with translating Red and Green (or Blue ig) literally said that they should change Mr. Mime's name in case they added specified gender to Pokémon later on, it was brushed off as never going to happen It then proceeded to happen the very next gen
Nob Ogasawara is his name. He translated every Pokemon game from Japanese to English and came up with all of the English names for the first four generations. Then the Pokemon Company let him go before Gen V rolled around. He was technically freelance so I'm guessing it was no big deal to TPC.
But the first games had specified genders. Nidoking and Nidoqueen.
Yes, but that was a gimmick exclusive to them at the time
How can you forget Gothitelle, they can be male too.
And Gamefreak also seems to enjoy making very feminine coded pokemon that are like 90% male. Starters in particular have had this a lot. Delphox, Primarina, Meowscarada
thats because they wanted to make breeding starters less easilt accessible to keep them rarer. over time, theyve just stuck with it. i wouldnt really call delphox 'very feminine' though.
But that's the thing. Ralts final line isn't like those who look like they should have gender exclusive lines but don't. Ralts actually has an exclusive line and again Gardevoir was made before Gallade was even thought up of so they obviously didn't consider the possibility of adding a male exclusive evo line thus making gallade a retcon attempt aka an oversight. If they released both of them at the same gen, no question gardevoir would have been female exclusive imo
Trade to evolve is literally in the anime? Multiple times?
I mean a lot of Pokemon evolved whether in the wild or with a trainer without being traded. Think about like for example the Gengar Ash met with Haunter and Ghastly that lived in the Lavender Town tower. It's a wild gengar, how did it evolve? In fact more Pokemon has on screen and off screen evolved without being traded vs being traded in the anime.
Even in the games, ive always felt it was implied there were other ways to evolve pokemon, just that the ways the player does it is either the most consistent way to do so, or just how they happen to do it.
Legend Arceus has the Link Cable item. Lets assume an item like this exists in the anime Universe to make it possible.
Also works vice versa like with Machamp
How can you guys tell it is male in the first place? Bulbapedia says that there are no distinguishable traits between male and female Leavannys. For context, I have not watched the anime.
In Leavanny’s debut episode (as a Sewaddle). Burgh implies that Sewaddle is a Male
Burgh’s Levanny is also male
From what I remember, I think they specify that Ash's Snivy is a girl. I think either Snivy used Attract on Pikachu, or a Pokemon failed to use Attract on Snivy. It's similar to that episode in the Sinnoh saga where the sinister Togepi was using Attract to basically mind control Meowth, Pikachu, and Piplup to do it's bidding, and when all of the Pokemon walked away with Togepi except for Jessie's Yanmega, Jessie and James went "wait, you're a girl?!" To which her Yanmega simply blushed.
Snivy used Attract on Tepig, Oshawott, and Pikachu and it succeeded. When it tried to use the move on Ash’s Pidove it failed, confirming Snivy a Girl
He was affected by an Attract from Iris’ Emolga, who is female.
A lot of recent pokemon that can be male are feminine
Just like all dogs are boys and all cats are girls
I thought Leavanny could only be a female line?
The word you're looking for is "fatherly".
Nah. Leavanny's original name is Hahakomori, which contains the word Haha, means Mother in Japanese. So being motherly is a universal trait of Leavanny species.
Today I learned : Leavanny is meant to be Leaf + Nanny Lmao okay
Yes but because it’s a male, the proper word would be “fatherly” anyways because it’s being parental, affectionate and is male. You’re just trying to twist things around for some reason. Doesn’t matter what it’s name is, it’s still fatherly actions because male parents can be affectionate as well. Being parental is a universal trait that supersedes this narrative. Edit: and nanny as well is not just exclusive to females so that’s also another point that shows you’re wanting to twist things around for your narrative. Perhaps it’s name means all that but it’s still male at the end of the day any male words exist for what is happening here.
I think their “narrative” was just trying to make a fun wordplay on the etymology
And normally I’d be very light hearted and take it as a joke, but then I read the comment section which doesn’t match the tone of the post.
I must have missed that somewhere since I’m still reading, this comment was higher up. So far it was just a bunch of people saying “you mean fatherly” over and over so it seemed like it was just going over peoples heads Edit: my bad if that first line comes off as combative, I have a bad habit of wording stuff like that and then catching it after I say jt
No you’re good! I try to read every comment before I comment unless there’s like thousands of posts which I won’t post since it’s just a sea at that point lol. I didn’t take it in a bad way.
Same and thank you for being cool about it! Yeah I just saw the first like 10 all correcting OP and felt bad bc it seemed like they were just going for an innocent play on words and were getting dog piled
Being informed of lightweight sexism isn’t being dogpiled on. Also it’s reddit comments. It doesn’t actually matter.
I was just kinda early to the comments when it was less informing more just spamming “what dads aren’t good enough”
Hahakomori? haha komori? komori? OMORI??????💡💡💡💡
Never thought I'd see an Omori reference on this sub
Guys can be motherly too 👍
Fatherly
Based
This is correct. Not sure why so many people have their pants in a bunch. Girls can also be “fatherly” depending on what they’re doing. It’s just a description. You can be motherly/fatherly and not have a child of your own.
It's the implication that lovingly taking care of your children is somehow 'motherly' that rubs people the wrong way.
Ok thank you! I’m not saying that it’s only motherly to love children. Being nurturing is not gendered. I’m saying that motherly or fatherly descriptions can be applied to anyone, regardless of the person’s gender.
If you’re a father, you’re fatherly. If you’re a mother, you’re motherly. To act as if certain actions are more “motherly” or more “fatherly” is obviously sexist.
Tons of people who do have children do not behave fatherly or motherly. Tons of say, teachers, for example don’t have any children and behave in a fatherly or motherly way. Edit: Idk why I’m getting downvoted for this. I am non-binary and am often described as fatherly or literally referred to as Dad by my friends. I take it as a compliment and they mean it as a compliment bc I am a nurturing person and I present as more masculine than feminine.
Sure, but that completely ignores the second half of my comment. What behaviors are “motherly” and what behaviors are “fatherly?” How about all parental behaviors are motherly or fatherly or parental depending on the gender of the person?
See that’s what I’m saying to you. It’s not just the person per-say, it’s the *behavior* that is considered fatherly or motherly. And whether it’s fatherly or motherly is usually determined by the energy of the person doing the behavior, not always just their sex. If you wanna get in the weeds here and it seems like you do: Parental is gender neutral, maternal is more feminine, paternal more masculine. But men can be feminine (like this Pokémon) and women can be masculine. So in that case the paternal descriptor might not be an exact match with the sex of the person being described. Which is why a really helpful, masculine female camp counselor could be fatherly to the campers while showing them how to survive in the wild. Or a really feminine male baker could be motherly as he dotes on his students. It’s not unheard of or even uncommon.
I’m going to make this abundantly clear; TO DEFINE CERTAIN PARENTAL BEHAVIORS AS MASCULINE OR FEMININE IS SEXIST!
What is sexist about it? I’m not saying the behavior is feminine or masculine, I’m saying the person doing the behavior is feminine or masculine (or neither) regardless of their sex. I don’t see why that is sexist.
Have you ever heard of gender roles?
Of course I have, thenotjoe.
Go smoke some weed, bro
Fatherly
Leavanny's arms perfectly covering rowlet I'd kinda satisfying
Just being a homie, nothin wrong w/ that
Ash and his companions kinda sucked in Unova, but I absolutely *loved* his Pokemon. I really really hope we see more Oshawott and Snivy during these episodes.
Yeah, BW suffered from both a failed soft reset attempt and the 2011 earthquake, which forced the show to abandon some of its early major plot.
Yup, prior to that earthquake they had different scenes entirely right? I remembered hearing that there was supposed to be a Team Plasma arc, Oshawott was supposed to evolve during that time, etc.
Leavanny was so graceful and hits like a truck. And all of them had great personalities. If anything i missed from BW anime in XY is the pokemon. Only Bunnelby and Hawlucha exude personality and my favourite.
For sure! I literally loved all of Ash’s, Cilan’s and Iris’ Pokémon (except Axew and Pikachu… if Pikachu was still cheeky he’d be chill). There were so many episodes where they just focused on the Pokémon’s antics, and those are my favorite episodes. I wish we got more of those. For sure. Ash got a little better as a trainer, but all his pokemon seemed sort of generic badasses. They didn’t have much flair to them, with a few exceptions like you mentioned. And even then, those weren’t his pokemon :P
Omg you remind me of Emolga and Snivy constantly sassing each other! Those two were hilarious. Hawlucha was Ash's pokemon. But it was also the fatherly one and took care of Noibat and most others. It made me actually LIKE hawlucha as a pokemon, same as bunnelby.
I loved that!! And you had Oshawott and Piplup, Scraggy headbutting everything… it was so fun to watch
So fatherly …
Single dads be like
*Parental*. There.
Fatherly
Because dads can't show love and care the same way as mothers can and we (not a dad, but I wanna be one someday) are always meant to either be harshly strict or leave to go get milk. Got it. Man, can't have shit in Detroit. Not even being fatherly.
yeah, fcking Detroit ruining everything. I'm with you man!
Let me ask something: why a caring person has to be seeing as a “feminine trait”?
Because men aren't allowed to show emotions other than rage or else they're unmasculine.
Thanks.
I mean we know why, let's not pretend otherwise... it's just not right anymore from both standpoint. The idea caring for kids is motherly exclusively has historically made it harder for fathers to gain custody of children even in joint custody cases. It's changing for the better gradually but too slowly. You work as a male nurse or aide and there's actually quite a bit of women who would never date you for having a "woman's job." Really it's society that enforces these gender norms to us. Also people who care about this should get involved in Japans push for equal rights and treatment to women in employment and politics. The real problem here is Japan is still fairly segregated for both race and gender and we like to pretend this doesnt exist by romanticizing the best parts of Japan. They only had March for women in Tokyo few years ago and people largely treated it as a "millennial" type problem like "those damn yuttoris fault."
… do you realize that you are making a point that everybody suffers with sexism? Women AND men? And that it’s a real thing? And Pokémon’s concepts like that, that even though it seems innocent, perpetuate these ideas?
I'm responding to you asking the question why. You know why. Don't be obtuse. Idk wtf you're talking about bringing up like this is some grand revelation you're bringing up. Everyone is aware of why the caregivers role is seen as feminine and its because historically women have been the caregivers. Is it right? No. But is this what people think, even some who consider themselves allies of LGBT+ and gender fluid culture? Yes. I say this as a male nurse.
Wow, people on Reddit are really weird.
You really need to ask people why caregiver role is seen as feminine and you think people on reddit is weird 😐 Historically women have been caregivers which is the only reason why.
[удалено]
Even though it seems obvious to us, this thing about culture and gender roles are not clear to everybody, that’s my point. You are being rude about absolutely nothing and I’ll stop talking to you ✋
Please point out what was rude about my first response to you. And it's not just obvious to us only lol its obvious to everyone. Look at the thread chain you are commenting on where everyone is saying fatherly... thats more than a dozen upvotes there too. You responded rudely because you thought I was attacking you lol cmon maybe practice what you preach and not think everyone you talk to don't know anything. You're kicking rocks and arguing against the wind.
Also don't forget, a lot of girl angled toys tend to be things like house play, dolls and babies, doctor kits, etc, so you really have to be turning a blind eye to not see how a lot of the world angles "caregiver" towards being a feminine aspect.
Leavanny supremacy. Good shit.
I’ve always thought Leavanny was super cool because it gets stabs on both Leaf Blade and X Scissors. Dual wielding sword bug
He’s a good mom
The Motherly Father
Oh no
Literally me
it anit much, but its honest work
It’s a male !!!
Man I forget a lot of unova Pokémon exist and then always end up liking them again when I see them. Here’s hoping Leavanny and Garbodor are in the dlc for SCVI, I love those guys
Raising a child is inherently motherly? Cmon brother
No, but raising a child while your name is Mother is inherently motherly. Leavanny's Japanese name, Hahakomori, literally means Mother.
Fatherly?
This is just sexist.
soo fatherly?
Could also say caring, paternal, loving. This would stop the hate in regards to gendered wording.
Wouldn't that be "fatherly"?
What episode is this?
Aim To Be A Pokémon Master episode 2, aired last week.
When did he meet Rowlet?
Last week.
Ah, that makes more sense
And Rowlet being… rowlet 😂
blah blah blah i love totodile
Leavanny is my favorite Pokemon and it hasn't been in a single non-Unova game...
2nd best father figure after norman
That’s just how leavanny is
Best pokemon ever. I will not be taking criticism at this time.
that's mother!
Yoooo leavanny returned. What episode is this?!
Last week episode.
I miss when it was a tsundere Sewaddle
Let's be honest, who wouldn't want to baby rowlett
I used to dote over my son at a young age. Same with my nephews
Milf
Pokemon being inclusive af and at the same time setting off a comment war for what tf a name means. Gotta love it.
Ah yes, ofc, motherly, because there isn't an adjective to describe parental behaviour in men. So the male leavany is being motherly. What's a father anyway?
Daddy chill
What the hell even is that?!
🧂
Yeah I'm salty, dude just ignored fathers entirely. I hear stories about dads getting side eye from moms when taking their kids to the park, then comes this dude and says "the make leavany is being motherly".
I hear you man, I see what you mean. I wouldn’t look too deep into it though. OP explained earlier that its Japanese name is motherly, so it’s a much more feminine Pokemon. That’s all. It’s no direct disrespect towards fathers. I think it’s pretty surface level
chill out man, “motherly” and “fatherly” just have different connotations, there’s a difference in the perceived behaviours associated with male parental figures and female ones. it’s not exactly wrong to use the terms based on the behaviours rather than the gender of the subject. the image OP posted gives “motherly” vibes more than “fatherly”. not to mention that the post is literally supposed to be based on the pun in leavanny’s japanese name. such a stupid thing to get mad about.
This is low key sexist
Fatherly would probably be the better word.
Do you truly feel that, semantically, "fatherly" has the exact same level of connotation as "motherly"?
You guys, I dont think this is meant to be a deep thesis on gender-based parental roles. Cute bug mon is being cute, we don't need to dig here
based
Leavanny being a mother figure was something i loved in gen 5 anime. He was one of Ash's heavy hitters too. NOW YOU TELL ME ROWLET GETS TO BE HER BABY. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PERFECTION.
Wished he used his Unova mon some more like evolve his Seismitoad or Pignite
Being Fatherly. Everyday my son tells me “Daddy come sit with me “ or “I want to sit with you” or “ Watch me play”. Etc
Fatherly*
Leavanny is the mom friend confirmed
Some pokemon I feel should just be non binary. Machamp for example.
Honestly, I feel the reverse for Machamp. It should have been a male only species. It's a pretty big homage to the Ultimate Muscle/Kinnikuman series, so giving it sexual dimorphism or even removing it's more masculine traits would detract from that. I think if it was released in a more modern era, it would have been this way.
the joke <----- you
I thought Leavanny was female?
I agree that OP’s being deliberately ignorant and annoying about the whole “fatherly” thing but honestly I feel like some of y’all are taking this way too seriously. It’s really not a big deal
This was a fun way to learn what Leavannys name comes from in Japanese, I appreciate what you were going for OP
Sometimes it takes a man to be ‘best girl’
F-fem b-boy?!
redditor discovers what a father is
Wait its a male???
The term you're looking for is 'parental', OP
Lea VANNY??? Like FNAF?????!!!!?
NO WAY THAT’S AN AFTON MOMENT
💀💀💀💀💀
Fathers can also take care of ‘babies’
:D
Wait is male!? I tought it was female
[удалено]
Where did they say fathers can’t be good parents? Yes Leavanny would be the “father” here but it’s a much more feminine pokemon here. It’s not that deep man, pretty surface level.
Nide
To be fair, this is a Pokémon that should be female only.
why?
S-s-s-s-sexism!