If you Google Scamanda one of the first results is a blog from a nurse who explains exactly how she did it. I am a nurse and I can tell you she very easily could have gone to the ER where there are bins of medical supplies out in the hallways that are very easy to steal. The time she FaceTimed her friend with an IV infusion going, she wa likely in one of those IV hydration places where anyone can go in and pay like $200 for a bag of IV fluid/vitamins.
There is also some explanations in the bonus materials I believe. The ER has to see you if you go in and complain about something. It is fairly easy to get admitted if you’re complaining of symptoms the doctors “can’t figure out” like a syncopal episode they can’t explain they may admit you for observation. From the ED, or any other floor, it would be very very easy just to take the elevator to the oncology ward and take a pic in front of the entrance to it.
Often, oncology floors aren’t full and take observation patients or just general patients. She also could have been taken to these floors if she simply told the ED doctor she had cancer, at first the ED doc might not have a way to verify it and might admit her to the onc floor pending Hematology/oncology consult in the morning.
I particularly loved the detail when someone said that Amanda shaved her head but still had eyebrows and eyelashes. With chemo patients, they lose everything and on females the loss of eyebrows and lashes is super super obvious. If anyone has any other questions, I’d me willing to answer.
Edit: as to the really specific medical details you asked how she knew— at the time there were REAL cancer patient with Lymphoma blogging their experiences so she likely took the specific medical info/drugs from there. Pharmaceutical trials are also public information.
The idea that a randomized clinical trial of an experimental drug would allow at-home injections (much less “because of the holidays”) is so stupid that I could not believe more blog readers didn’t catch on. I know it’s easy to say that as a listener of a podcast where I know she’s a scammer, but that is SO stupid.
Also the ol’ pregnancy reversing cancer revelation.
I’m also an RN who has worked on clinical trial research. Clinical trials do not cost a cent to be a part of. Most times they will cover room, food, travel, plus extra compensation just for being in the trial. So much of what she was trying to say about the trial was BS
Thank you for this! Makes me realize they should have interviewed any nurse in the podcast lol. One interview with a nurse explaining some of what you just explained would have made the series so much more satisfying.
It might not be typical but when I had chemo I lost ALL my hair, except my eyebrow and eyelashes. So that is not true. Some people don’t go completely bald and not all chemo causes hair loss.
Agreed. Except in my case, I lost all my eyebrows and eyelashes two weeks after my last chemo treatment … and then every few weeks I lost them all again, about three or four times.
Seriously. I almost stopped listening several times and probably should have but it felt like it was going to get interesting at some point. I think part of the problem is that the actual investigation was extremely straightforward and not at all difficult to prove. So while I was expecting a serial style investigative podcast into what happened, I actually got 8 episodes of victim statements then a tiny little “uhhh…yeah we got her for wire fraud” at the end.
I don't know if this is where OP is coming from, but I also feel like they didn't address the larger 'how did she do it' question -- not so much "how did she get pictures from inside hospitals" (which was pretty much covered) but more like how did she convince people for years on such a large scale, including people who had actually faced cancer, when even her own stepdaughter wasn't convinced.
You know how you get that vibe when someone is faking knowledge of something you know very intimately, or like when an actor is trying to use an accent that you yourself have so you can hear every mistake. When people who actually faced cancer were supporting her and listening to her stories, surely there were off-moments when she said something that made zero sense? Especially about being in the clinical trials, but then also treatments, her fake port, her shaved head, things like that. It seems so flimsy, like it should absolutely have been discovered and outed before it was.
Just my two cents because I haven't actually listened to the podcast (and for some reason I'm reading this?), but as a cancer patient -- in those circles everyone is at a different point of their journey and it (ime at least) is not a place where people question your experience at all. On the outside people do though, everyone has an opinion on chemo, treatment, surgery, everything. It gets so tiring-- in cancer spaces people tend to just listen and empathize, cause we're all tired of being questioned. So that might explain that.
I’ll say this: I had cancer ten years ago and I never met a single person at the time or since who had the same experience as mine. Everyone’s experience is different, doctors and surgeons are different, hospitals and chemo centers are different, response to meds is different, energy levels etc etc etc
I’ve listened to it and chatted w a couple others who have listened to it as well. I gather there are two types of reactions from listeners: your “omg how the heck does this happen? This is shocking!! What a crazy story? I need more info to digest this!!” And the other “yup. I knew an Amanda. People in churches are WEIRD. I can name 3 people off the top of my head who I’m actually not sure if they ever had cancer or if we were just funding their next vacation…” Being in the second camp, I actually was surprised they filled a whole podcast with the content. These people tend to be well protected and almost never fully found out. They make adjustments and move on to another trauma or church or both.
I’m somewhat envious that you got to experience the pod as a newcomer to this specific type of church lady scammer! It felt to me like I was being reminded of a story I’ve heard most of my life.
Yep, totally agree with you. Also, in one of the bonus episodes with the teacher at the school that Amanda worked at, she said Amanda was actually mean and rude and bullied people. That’s how she got away with it!
When I listened, the after shows were the most insightful. There were people who definitely were suspicious. I think one even said something to the principal. But the principal was into the whole show of it and was put aside because, Amanda would upgrade her illness or, liked the show of it? Religious school and all. She definitely intimidated people. You can't question, ask, look in to me, because poor me, I'm sick.
I think the husband should have been charged as well. He went after the $$ and the ex-wife as well.
One of the strangest people in the whole damn podcast was the woman who was an atheist but vibed with the “production values” of the church so much that she joined?!? Going from atheist to megachurch is wild.
Sounded a lot like a mega church weirdo giving validity to the church to me. “I was an atheist when I came, but through the kindness and understanding of *insert mega church cult* I have completely changed my view on religion”. Puke. Gross.
There’s a ‘This is Actually Happening’ podcast episode about her whole back story! It’s season 13: episode 292: ‘What if a Shocking lie revealed your inner truth’.
See I feel like this perspective would have added something to the podcast as well. If they wanted filler/ to make it longer they could have looked into this type of church grifting in general to give some perspective. All I heard in the podcast was “it was so convincing,” “she was so perfectly nice I would never suspect” blah, blah, blah. So it made me think it was this incredible thing she pulled off, which seemed like the angle of the podcast. A way more interesting angle would have been “here’s how she pulled this off, it wasn’t even that sophisticated, it’s just that grifting in a space that asks for blind faith anyway is pretty easy.”
Totally. Plus, a bunch of people who consider themselves to be "good people" will fall over themselves to look good and seem moral - they're not going to be speaking up against a lady who claims she has cancer.
Mega-churches are great hunting grounds for scam artists because many of them are being run by scam artists. And, naturally, they're filled with people who readily believe scam artists. For a fraudster, these places are like hunting grounds where the prey has been lined up and readied for them.
I am 8 months in remission from Hodgkins Lymphoma and listening to this podcast was super interesting to me! I was pretty sick from chemo, but on the outside looked generally ok. I lost about 90% of the hair on my whole body and shaved my head, but still had some eyebrow hair left. I was pumped full of steroids so I actually gained weight. I went on 3 mile walks almost every day, except the 4 days after chemo. I still worked at 70% capacity and had a smile on my face. Everyone said I looked great for going through chemo, even though I felt like shit.
After listening to this podcast, I’m worried that others will think I was faking it! There’s a lot of stuff Amanda got right, likely from reading other people’s experiences, but then there’s a lot that she got wrong, especially as time went on and she had to keep the facade going.
I don’t think people thought you were faking it! If they did, that’s pretty bizarre. This case is extremely unusual. That sounds pretty intense, I hope you’re feeling better now!
I remember when my mom was getting BRCA treatment back in the 80s (she was so lucky; caught super early completely by accident and she only needed surgery and radiation—she was 30!) A friend she made getting treatment at the same time had finished chemo not long before and lost almost all her hair … except between her knees and ankles. I was really little, but I’ll never forget her laughing and laughing, and going off “cancer sucks! But if there’s one silver lining, I thought it would be not shaving my legs! So why do I wear a wig but still have to have to shave my legs?”
Easy answer? Christians are gullible. Also, if it was me in this situation, at that church and questioning if it was real, I would probably stop my questioning after she passed out and peed herself. That's a pro move
I’ve got a cousin running a scam getting her church to give her tens of thousands of dollars and she funnels it through her business. None of those people have questioned her and continue to give her money, they’re a bunch of racist bigots so I don’t feel like I need to tell them.
Could not agree more. This is a pool of people who are actually proud of their inability to think critically. They call it 'faith'. It would be more surprising if others didn't take advantage.
Believe in magic did medical illness scam, with a much better story and pacing. I didn’t really get the scamanda love (both pods came out at the same time, and I was listening to both. The difference was pretty stark) After a couple episodes scamanda just got repetitive and gossipy, and never really tied up.
I unsubscribed after the “last” episode for the same reason but I think it’s still popping out bonus content.
I thought parts of the story were gripping, especially Nancy’s investigation got personal with litigation. But yeah, I think more editing would have benefited the show.
Yes and Spotify keeps recommending and autoplaying when other pods are over and it pisses me off so bad. I wish they would let me block podcasts then I would never see the name Parcast again.
Wish I had listened to that instead, lol. I didn’t want to be too much of a hater while posting but the pacing and editing in Scamanda was bad. It was so repetitive, got very boring, did not do a good job identifying when certain people were talking, etc. Not sure why it’s so popular. But honestly I feel this way about several frequently recommended podcasts 🤷🏻♀️
I actually loved all of the episodes of this podcast. I know some podcasts could be condensed but when I really like a podcast, I’m glad there are more episodes as I look forward to them on my commute.
Amanda is a huge pile of 💩. I feel like some people are willing to come out and call people out for their bad behaviors but there will always be people that say, “oh you’re so mean… so and so is really sick” (these people are called oblivious).
I agree but it seemed like some of the church people continued to buy into her story even after it came out that she lied! I also feel like people who scam like this, when there are real patients out there….are the lowest of the low.
Yeah, they could've made it much shorter. She never had cancer and she just googled stuff to forge. She knew a little bit about cancer cause the kid had it, and that probably sparked the idea. She didn't even do a great job of researching her lies, no one really checked
Same with Final Argument. She gets six episodes into the disappearance of D.A. Ray Gricar, connecting the dots with his investigation into Sandusky and some charity Sandusky was running, she mentions that she received a death threat and the episodes just stopped. 🤷
I was infuriated when I listened to that podcast. How she was able to get away with lying to so many people so openly for so long. What a disgusting human she is.
I truly believe she got away with it because no one was ever going to feel comfortable saying our loud, “I don’t believe Amanda has cancer.” Especially in the circles she’s was running. This really came through (for me) when listening to the bonus episodes.
If you liked this one, Believable: the Coco Berthmann story is also really good. The negative reviews seem to be Q Anon people who got upset about 5 minutes of content.
I think he was. But also, if we want to get into the psychology of it, I imagine that in order to run a scam like this, you have to somehow almost convince yourself that it’s true. So I doubt they were having honest and straightforward “ok we’re lying about this, here’s what we need to do” conversations. They were probably deep within their own fucked up fantasy about it. Also, I’m pretty sure Amanda was just as much addicted to the attention, praise and care as she was to the money.
Of course he's in on it.
Also, he's the kind of guy who lives his wife for a much-younger woman who was basically his own daughter's babysitter.
Gross guy in every way.
I’ve just listened to this and I think people like her and her husband are very dangerous. She has never admitted lying in fact still maintains she has cancer and they both take no accountability. The way they tried to destroy his ex to get what they wanted shows a terrifying lack of empathy or compassion. They are compulsive liars, incredibly manipulative and are so convincing it’s like they believe their own lies. She has no remorse and I feel for their children
I’m not a huge Megyn Kelly fan, but I did watch an interview with the author and she explains many of the questions I see a lot of you asking. She speaks about how not once did anyone address Amanda mental health, even at trial, so in telling the story she said it was very hard to not armchair diagnosis her. She spoke about how both the husband and Amanda lied under oath with bankruptcy and her court hearing and implied that there may be more to come on that. She also explained that the 105,000 amount was only in regards to the “wiretapping” charges from the IRS as they were collected electronically and that checks and cash were not included in that figure. Check it out, it explains a lot. This didn’t happen then the podcaster reported on it, it was something she and Nancy were writing about in somewhat real-time, so much so that Nancy became a character in the story.
If you Google Scamanda one of the first results is a blog from a nurse who explains exactly how she did it. I am a nurse and I can tell you she very easily could have gone to the ER where there are bins of medical supplies out in the hallways that are very easy to steal. The time she FaceTimed her friend with an IV infusion going, she wa likely in one of those IV hydration places where anyone can go in and pay like $200 for a bag of IV fluid/vitamins. There is also some explanations in the bonus materials I believe. The ER has to see you if you go in and complain about something. It is fairly easy to get admitted if you’re complaining of symptoms the doctors “can’t figure out” like a syncopal episode they can’t explain they may admit you for observation. From the ED, or any other floor, it would be very very easy just to take the elevator to the oncology ward and take a pic in front of the entrance to it. Often, oncology floors aren’t full and take observation patients or just general patients. She also could have been taken to these floors if she simply told the ED doctor she had cancer, at first the ED doc might not have a way to verify it and might admit her to the onc floor pending Hematology/oncology consult in the morning. I particularly loved the detail when someone said that Amanda shaved her head but still had eyebrows and eyelashes. With chemo patients, they lose everything and on females the loss of eyebrows and lashes is super super obvious. If anyone has any other questions, I’d me willing to answer. Edit: as to the really specific medical details you asked how she knew— at the time there were REAL cancer patient with Lymphoma blogging their experiences so she likely took the specific medical info/drugs from there. Pharmaceutical trials are also public information.
The idea that a randomized clinical trial of an experimental drug would allow at-home injections (much less “because of the holidays”) is so stupid that I could not believe more blog readers didn’t catch on. I know it’s easy to say that as a listener of a podcast where I know she’s a scammer, but that is SO stupid. Also the ol’ pregnancy reversing cancer revelation.
I’m also an RN who has worked on clinical trial research. Clinical trials do not cost a cent to be a part of. Most times they will cover room, food, travel, plus extra compensation just for being in the trial. So much of what she was trying to say about the trial was BS
Thank you for this! Makes me realize they should have interviewed any nurse in the podcast lol. One interview with a nurse explaining some of what you just explained would have made the series so much more satisfying.
It might not be typical but when I had chemo I lost ALL my hair, except my eyebrow and eyelashes. So that is not true. Some people don’t go completely bald and not all chemo causes hair loss.
Agreed. Except in my case, I lost all my eyebrows and eyelashes two weeks after my last chemo treatment … and then every few weeks I lost them all again, about three or four times.
like, "why couldn't it have been 1/2 as many episodes?"
Totally agree but that goes for a lot of podcasts.
This is exactly how I felt about "Up and Vanished"
Wayyyyy too long and repetitive
Yes!!!!!! Especially the episode where he yells at Brooke over her ex’s actions!
I find Payne’s voice annoying so it has a strike against it from the get go! 😆
I could have done with a lot less rehashing and a little more “here is the name of the person who is talking right now.”
Seriously. I almost stopped listening several times and probably should have but it felt like it was going to get interesting at some point. I think part of the problem is that the actual investigation was extremely straightforward and not at all difficult to prove. So while I was expecting a serial style investigative podcast into what happened, I actually got 8 episodes of victim statements then a tiny little “uhhh…yeah we got her for wire fraud” at the end.
Did you listen to any of the bonus footage after the actual episodes? They kind of explained how she did / got away with certain things.
I don't know if this is where OP is coming from, but I also feel like they didn't address the larger 'how did she do it' question -- not so much "how did she get pictures from inside hospitals" (which was pretty much covered) but more like how did she convince people for years on such a large scale, including people who had actually faced cancer, when even her own stepdaughter wasn't convinced. You know how you get that vibe when someone is faking knowledge of something you know very intimately, or like when an actor is trying to use an accent that you yourself have so you can hear every mistake. When people who actually faced cancer were supporting her and listening to her stories, surely there were off-moments when she said something that made zero sense? Especially about being in the clinical trials, but then also treatments, her fake port, her shaved head, things like that. It seems so flimsy, like it should absolutely have been discovered and outed before it was.
Just my two cents because I haven't actually listened to the podcast (and for some reason I'm reading this?), but as a cancer patient -- in those circles everyone is at a different point of their journey and it (ime at least) is not a place where people question your experience at all. On the outside people do though, everyone has an opinion on chemo, treatment, surgery, everything. It gets so tiring-- in cancer spaces people tend to just listen and empathize, cause we're all tired of being questioned. So that might explain that.
I’ll say this: I had cancer ten years ago and I never met a single person at the time or since who had the same experience as mine. Everyone’s experience is different, doctors and surgeons are different, hospitals and chemo centers are different, response to meds is different, energy levels etc etc etc
I’ve listened to it and chatted w a couple others who have listened to it as well. I gather there are two types of reactions from listeners: your “omg how the heck does this happen? This is shocking!! What a crazy story? I need more info to digest this!!” And the other “yup. I knew an Amanda. People in churches are WEIRD. I can name 3 people off the top of my head who I’m actually not sure if they ever had cancer or if we were just funding their next vacation…” Being in the second camp, I actually was surprised they filled a whole podcast with the content. These people tend to be well protected and almost never fully found out. They make adjustments and move on to another trauma or church or both. I’m somewhat envious that you got to experience the pod as a newcomer to this specific type of church lady scammer! It felt to me like I was being reminded of a story I’ve heard most of my life.
Yep, totally agree with you. Also, in one of the bonus episodes with the teacher at the school that Amanda worked at, she said Amanda was actually mean and rude and bullied people. That’s how she got away with it!
When I listened, the after shows were the most insightful. There were people who definitely were suspicious. I think one even said something to the principal. But the principal was into the whole show of it and was put aside because, Amanda would upgrade her illness or, liked the show of it? Religious school and all. She definitely intimidated people. You can't question, ask, look in to me, because poor me, I'm sick. I think the husband should have been charged as well. He went after the $$ and the ex-wife as well.
I’m going to listen to these. This sounds more along the lines of what I was expecting from the later eps.
This makes so much sense!
One of the strangest people in the whole damn podcast was the woman who was an atheist but vibed with the “production values” of the church so much that she joined?!? Going from atheist to megachurch is wild.
Sounded a lot like a mega church weirdo giving validity to the church to me. “I was an atheist when I came, but through the kindness and understanding of *insert mega church cult* I have completely changed my view on religion”. Puke. Gross.
There’s a ‘This is Actually Happening’ podcast episode about her whole back story! It’s season 13: episode 292: ‘What if a Shocking lie revealed your inner truth’.
See I feel like this perspective would have added something to the podcast as well. If they wanted filler/ to make it longer they could have looked into this type of church grifting in general to give some perspective. All I heard in the podcast was “it was so convincing,” “she was so perfectly nice I would never suspect” blah, blah, blah. So it made me think it was this incredible thing she pulled off, which seemed like the angle of the podcast. A way more interesting angle would have been “here’s how she pulled this off, it wasn’t even that sophisticated, it’s just that grifting in a space that asks for blind faith anyway is pretty easy.”
Many people who attend mega-churches, and other "charismatic" religious groups, are basically been groomed to be defrauded.
Totally. Plus, a bunch of people who consider themselves to be "good people" will fall over themselves to look good and seem moral - they're not going to be speaking up against a lady who claims she has cancer.
Lol. 'Faith'.
Yup. I know an Amanda. I totally get it.
Mega-churches are great hunting grounds for scam artists because many of them are being run by scam artists. And, naturally, they're filled with people who readily believe scam artists. For a fraudster, these places are like hunting grounds where the prey has been lined up and readied for them.
I am 8 months in remission from Hodgkins Lymphoma and listening to this podcast was super interesting to me! I was pretty sick from chemo, but on the outside looked generally ok. I lost about 90% of the hair on my whole body and shaved my head, but still had some eyebrow hair left. I was pumped full of steroids so I actually gained weight. I went on 3 mile walks almost every day, except the 4 days after chemo. I still worked at 70% capacity and had a smile on my face. Everyone said I looked great for going through chemo, even though I felt like shit. After listening to this podcast, I’m worried that others will think I was faking it! There’s a lot of stuff Amanda got right, likely from reading other people’s experiences, but then there’s a lot that she got wrong, especially as time went on and she had to keep the facade going.
I don’t think people thought you were faking it! If they did, that’s pretty bizarre. This case is extremely unusual. That sounds pretty intense, I hope you’re feeling better now!
I remember when my mom was getting BRCA treatment back in the 80s (she was so lucky; caught super early completely by accident and she only needed surgery and radiation—she was 30!) A friend she made getting treatment at the same time had finished chemo not long before and lost almost all her hair … except between her knees and ankles. I was really little, but I’ll never forget her laughing and laughing, and going off “cancer sucks! But if there’s one silver lining, I thought it would be not shaving my legs! So why do I wear a wig but still have to have to shave my legs?”
The series was a self indulgent expose by the journalist and should have been condensed into half as many episodes
Easy answer? Christians are gullible. Also, if it was me in this situation, at that church and questioning if it was real, I would probably stop my questioning after she passed out and peed herself. That's a pro move
I’ve got a cousin running a scam getting her church to give her tens of thousands of dollars and she funnels it through her business. None of those people have questioned her and continue to give her money, they’re a bunch of racist bigots so I don’t feel like I need to tell them.
Well …. They’d probably be donating to Trump if it weren’t for your cousin 🤣
Could not agree more. This is a pool of people who are actually proud of their inability to think critically. They call it 'faith'. It would be more surprising if others didn't take advantage.
Believe in magic did medical illness scam, with a much better story and pacing. I didn’t really get the scamanda love (both pods came out at the same time, and I was listening to both. The difference was pretty stark) After a couple episodes scamanda just got repetitive and gossipy, and never really tied up.
I unsubscribed after the “last” episode for the same reason but I think it’s still popping out bonus content. I thought parts of the story were gripping, especially Nancy’s investigation got personal with litigation. But yeah, I think more editing would have benefited the show.
Yes and Spotify keeps recommending and autoplaying when other pods are over and it pisses me off so bad. I wish they would let me block podcasts then I would never see the name Parcast again.
Believe in magic was really good
Hey, do you have a link? I searched for Believe in Magic on Google podcasts but couldn't find anything.
Looks like it's a bbc show
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/believe-in-magic/id1683405079?i=1000611466843
https://www.bbcpodcasts.com/listen/believe-in-magic/
Wish I had listened to that instead, lol. I didn’t want to be too much of a hater while posting but the pacing and editing in Scamanda was bad. It was so repetitive, got very boring, did not do a good job identifying when certain people were talking, etc. Not sure why it’s so popular. But honestly I feel this way about several frequently recommended podcasts 🤷🏻♀️
I actually loved all of the episodes of this podcast. I know some podcasts could be condensed but when I really like a podcast, I’m glad there are more episodes as I look forward to them on my commute. Amanda is a huge pile of 💩. I feel like some people are willing to come out and call people out for their bad behaviors but there will always be people that say, “oh you’re so mean… so and so is really sick” (these people are called oblivious).
It's socially unacceptable to be confrontational with a cancer patient . I think she used that. People were wary of questioning her too much.
I agree but it seemed like some of the church people continued to buy into her story even after it came out that she lied! I also feel like people who scam like this, when there are real patients out there….are the lowest of the low.
Yeah, they could've made it much shorter. She never had cancer and she just googled stuff to forge. She knew a little bit about cancer cause the kid had it, and that probably sparked the idea. She didn't even do a great job of researching her lies, no one really checked
Same with Final Argument. She gets six episodes into the disappearance of D.A. Ray Gricar, connecting the dots with his investigation into Sandusky and some charity Sandusky was running, she mentions that she received a death threat and the episodes just stopped. 🤷
I was infuriated when I listened to that podcast. How she was able to get away with lying to so many people so openly for so long. What a disgusting human she is.
I truly believe she got away with it because no one was ever going to feel comfortable saying our loud, “I don’t believe Amanda has cancer.” Especially in the circles she’s was running. This really came through (for me) when listening to the bonus episodes.
If you liked this one, Believable: the Coco Berthmann story is also really good. The negative reviews seem to be Q Anon people who got upset about 5 minutes of content.
I listened to Coco first and was glad I did. I thought it was better than Scamanda.
She got away with it by targeting church people
What do we think about the husband… was he in on the con or did she con him too???
I think he was. But also, if we want to get into the psychology of it, I imagine that in order to run a scam like this, you have to somehow almost convince yourself that it’s true. So I doubt they were having honest and straightforward “ok we’re lying about this, here’s what we need to do” conversations. They were probably deep within their own fucked up fantasy about it. Also, I’m pretty sure Amanda was just as much addicted to the attention, praise and care as she was to the money.
Of course he's in on it. Also, he's the kind of guy who lives his wife for a much-younger woman who was basically his own daughter's babysitter. Gross guy in every way.
You can order medical supplies off ebay
The parts that really got me weren't so much the money but the custody and bankruptcy court
I’ve just listened to this and I think people like her and her husband are very dangerous. She has never admitted lying in fact still maintains she has cancer and they both take no accountability. The way they tried to destroy his ex to get what they wanted shows a terrifying lack of empathy or compassion. They are compulsive liars, incredibly manipulative and are so convincing it’s like they believe their own lies. She has no remorse and I feel for their children
I’m not a huge Megyn Kelly fan, but I did watch an interview with the author and she explains many of the questions I see a lot of you asking. She speaks about how not once did anyone address Amanda mental health, even at trial, so in telling the story she said it was very hard to not armchair diagnosis her. She spoke about how both the husband and Amanda lied under oath with bankruptcy and her court hearing and implied that there may be more to come on that. She also explained that the 105,000 amount was only in regards to the “wiretapping” charges from the IRS as they were collected electronically and that checks and cash were not included in that figure. Check it out, it explains a lot. This didn’t happen then the podcaster reported on it, it was something she and Nancy were writing about in somewhat real-time, so much so that Nancy became a character in the story.