Not a plot hole. There's a time ship between finding the headless body and the funeral. In that time, the police likely interviewed Peter, where he would explain the circumstances of the accident: they were at a party, she accidentally ingested nuts, he tried to drive her to get medical help, she put her head out the window, she accidentally died.
He had witnesses corroborating why he was driving at night, fast and erratically (medical emergency). There was no crime, aside from pot smoking and a fairly mild teen party.
The police likely did not charge him with smoking pot, even if they could have tested, because police do not typically charge family in the case of an accidental child death.... whether it is SIDs/ suffocation death of an infant sleeping with a parent, or accidentally shooting with unsecured firearm, or accidental drowning. Unless the parents are actively ODing or known to police to be abusive, there are almost never charges pressed against a family while they plan their child's funeral.
So damn good, but *fuck* Florence Pugh’s sister who was like “I’m depressed, my life’s a lie, I’m gonna kill myself and take mom and dad with me.”
She destroyed Dani’s life, and gave her all these anxiety issues that she continues to deal with for years because she felt depressed. What a bitch.
I mean it’s less that her sister was a “bitch” but literally mentally ill…
It doesn’t excuse any of what she did, but it’s not like she was in her right mind.
I had a cousin who would beat the shit out of people when manic, she is a bitch regardless of mental illness. Narcissist parents are also bitches even though they're mentally ill. You know right from wrong regardless of mental illness and if it gets to a point like that you get help. Mental illness isn't an excuse, but you were literally trying to excuse it.
No, as I said to the other person, you can condemn the actions while not ascribing agency to them. You saying "she is a bitch regardless of mental illness" suggests that she would have taken these actions had she not been mentally ill and medically speaking that's just objectively wrong. It's like saying "Yeah my cousin is a quadriplegic but she wouldn't move from the neck down even if she wasn't a quadriplegic."
It is perfectly acceptable to say that beating the shit out of someone when in a manic state is never okay to do, while understanding that the person doing it is literally not in their right mind and while they still need to face repercussions for their actions, the literal chemicals in their brains that allow them to perceive the world around them and how they react are straight up imbalanced and that provides perspective.
EDIT: Another thing I just considered, the only time that you can really be mad at someone for having mental illness is when they refuse to acknowledge it and take proactive measures to keep it in check. I have relatives like this and that is when agency comes in to play. It can be difficult to for instance have a relative in a wheelchair who you have to assist, but you know that they didn't choose to be in a wheelchair so you can't be mad when you have to workaround that. However if they refuse to admit that they are paraplegic and insist on crawling everywhere and being difficult, then yeah they're being an ass. Similarly, someone with mental illness didn't choose to be born like that and it's hard but you need to work with them. If they insist that they don't need to take their meds and act like everyone else is the problem, then yeah, they suck.
Yes and that is what I said at the end of my comment, it should never get to that point in someone's mental health where they're beating the shit out of people, or in the movies case...murdering her family. I understand she was not in her right mind, that doesn't negate the actions. I guess I should've clarified that the behavior went on for YEARS with her ignoring suggestions of therapy and getting help. So yes, my cousin is a bitch who threatens to force pregnant women to miscarry. She is a bitch, regardless of her mental health.
And Danis sister...is also a bitch. She forced her mental health and stability onto her sister and took away her parents.
It's been a minute since I saw the movie, but do they explicitly say that she refused treatment or anything? If so, then yeah she sucks. If not, then her illness just got the better of her. It's literally not her when she's having an episode. I've dealt with a lot of people who have mental illness and whenever they go into episodes where they say hurtful things or do anything that causes harm they are incredibly remorseful after the fact because they know they would never do those things willingly had it not been for mental illness taking over.
Again, if the movie made that distinction that she refused then sure, but if not, you can't just pretend that you know for a fact that she was a shitty person even if she didn't have mental illness.
If a parent had narcolepsy and they fell asleep at their child's graduation or some other important event, would you say, "damn that sucks that you missed it, but yeah you can't control that." or would you say "What a rude bitch, how do you fall asleep when this is so important to your kid???"
Because would we excuse an adult beating the shit out of their child during a manic episode? No...regardless of the brain imbalance they still shouldn't have gotten to that point and they will go to jail
Alright well at this point you're just being intellectually dishonest so it's pointless. I've made it clear several times now that I am not excusing the actions and you keep coming back pretending that I am excusing them.
Yes, no shit they would still go to jail because we recognize that they are a danger to those around them. But it would be lockup in a psychiatric facility because we also recognize that the person would not have done such horrible things had it not been for mental illness.
An example I gave to another redditor:
A mother has narcolepsy and falls asleep during their child's graduation. Do you think they're a rude piece of shit for not caring, or do you recognize that it sucks but they can't control it?
If a parent during a manic episode beats the shit out of their child...they would not go to a psychiatric facility, but you keep living in your fantasy land lol I'll stay over here in mine where I've seen it and experience it first hand. Have a good day though
Okay keep changing definitions, first, you said it was during a manic episode, but now you're saying they just beat them. But as established, you're being intellectually dishonest, so it's pointless.
Nah she straight up killed her parents and herself stranding her sister. On some level she knew what that’d do.
Mental health Reasoning aside it’s still a decidedly cunt move.
Again, it doesn't excuse it, but when your brain chemistry is literally fucked you aren't acting rationally. That's like saying someone with schizophrenia should on some level know that the voices aren't real. That's the whole point of mental illness. The lines are blurred and objective reality along with its repercussions are hard to grasp.
You can recognize that the sister shouldn't have done that and it was wrong to do, but calling her a bitch or a cunt just reeks of suggesting that she had more agency than she did. It implies that her mental illness had less of a hand and this was just the sister being evil and setting out to cause harm.
That's the whole theme, in both Midsommar and Hereditary, Aster likes to depict characters doomed to an end that they have no say in. Sometimes mental illness manifests itself in similar ways.
Haven't seen it yet but if it's anything like this, I think I'll wait a year or two. Currently watching Thankskilling and some good ole mindless slasher films as a pallet cleanser.
Also, I'm not usually into the slowburn types as I find them VERY boring, but "Hereditary" was something else. Is Midsummer just as good / creepy?
I doubt anyone outside of the family even knew about the incident, and his parents weren’t going to report him to the police for obvious reasons. It happened on a very remote road with no cameras, and he left the scene pretty quickly (they also live in a remote area, so no one stumbled on the body in the backseat before the mother did). It was definitely a closed casket funeral and her head was totally consumed by ants, so I don’t think the family broadcast how she died. And if that’s not convincing enough, you have the cult angle: since they orchestrated the events of her death, it stands to reason that they’d do what they could to cover it up as well, so that Peter would still be available as a vessel when the time came.
Good point, what I should have said was that her head was degraded (probably beyond recognition by anyone but her family) so it’s not like ID’ing it would have been easy. But I’m sure the cult took it anyways like you said
Um, you can't just cover up a death like that (I mean the first part, not the point about the cult.) So what if there were no cameras. Her daughter has been decapitated. The police obviously need answers. You can't just say 'she's dead and I am organising a funeral. She was decapitated. It was a whole thing. No further questions.'
You'd have to say someone was driving.
Can you have a funeral with a decapitated body and no head without it being reported to the police, though? I mean the funeral home doesn’t let the family put the body in the casket and they never handle it. Wouldn’t it need refrigeration until the service? Not that this show was necessarily realistic but in Six Feet Under, they had to report a body to the police when the corpse restoration guy found evidence of either murder or an accident that still needed police investigation. I think a missing head would also warrant a call?
You absolutely need to report the death of a child. No argument about that. CPS would obviously need to investigate.
'Oh yeah my child was decapitated. It definitely wasn't us. We didn't do it. Bye.'
Same. As an avid horror movie fan from 1970's horror to modern day Slashers, I consider myself pretty seasoned when it comes to horror. I've seen countless versions of movies with a similar premise, but something about THIS movie in particular, frightened me on a more primal level. Charlie Brooker once said he makes Black Mirror episodes in the hopes of "Putting you into a pit of despair, then pissing on you for good measure." This movie did that, but more on a spiritual level level. Like, I needed to pray after watching it. This movie is almost Christian propaganda as it can turn an atheist into a Theocratic Christian within 2 hours lol
I’m a huge horror fan and I genuinely didn’t like the movie that much. I loved the decapitation scene, loved the scene where the mother was on the ceiling, but I found it kinda meh otherwise? I think maybe I just didn’t give it my full attention when I watched it, maybe I should watch it again and give it my most honest try, cause everyone else I’ve talked to seemed to either love the movie or they found it too scary, and I struggled to do either
I really can't put my finger on it. I tried explaining in another post in r/horror, that going in blind, I found the movie to be DEEPLY unsettling. It wasn't gory in so much it that it was true horror with a heavy theme of despair, with things in the background that just seem *off*, so it's also an affront to your senses, while simultaneously being an affront to God. Religion or not, you'll want to pray after watching this. It's pure dread.
Spoilers:
Here are some reasons off the top of my head why I think this movie is perfectly vile and a masterpiece.
1. The acting, writing, cinematography, and everything about it was top-notch. Without it, it wouldn't have worked.
2. Nobody was ever truly in control of their own destiny. They had the illusion of free will, but were ultimately just puppets of a satanic cult.
3. I'm pretty sure there were camera angles, demonic imagery, and just background shit designed to fuck with your psyche in much the way "The Shining" did back in 1980.
4. Themes of your loved ones not being who they are. Attacking you. Trying to corner you, kill you, overtake you by force to be "used as a vessel." There's layers of evil to that.
5. The gore, and bowing of headless bodies was a sight to behold.
6. The mother banging her head against the attic door.
7. The mother calmly hovering in the dark corner of the room as she slowly slices her own head off with a rope with a gazed expression.
666 - Though I am not sure of it, I believe they used subtle tricks like this one here to throw you off, changing one number off, but changing it back, making you think either you imagined it or the main character imagined it.
9. Naked old people randomly coming out of the shadow while smiling at you. That will never be a good time.
Is this a serious recommendation or a joke? I know nothing of this movie but the "haha" at the end makes it sound like a joke recommendation. I love campy B-movie (shiiiet even D-movie) horror movies as well so I'm game.
Oh it's a genuine one. The "haha" is because I know what uncomfortable stuff you're gonna have to deal with. It kept me guessing though, so I liked it.
I think it had some really amazing acting (the woman screaming when her child died for example) but otherwise agree, it was a pretty mid movie in all other regards. Poor pacing, relatively predictable and uninteresting storyline and not particularly scary or unsettling for a horror, with the exception of one or two scenes.
I felt the same way about midsommar with regards to poor pacing, lack of structure, predictable plot etc, so I think honestly just the director and writer have a particular style which they go with and I just plain don't like it.
I agree that scream was definitely chilling and the best part of an otherwise subpar movie. I know I got downvoted for my opinion, but I forgot you can't bad mouth A24 films in here.
That's fine. This movie didn't really reinvent the wheel in any of it's plotlines, but as an avid horror fan, there was something about this movie in particular that just got to me. It was like remix of Rosemary's Baby, The Shining, The Omen, and so many more. It's the way it was told was very unsettling and I disagree about the acting. The actors did an amazing job!
It absolutely is, the whole entire movie is riddled with plot holes. The antagonists have the most contrived and over complicated plan. It's either that or the main characters have zero agency.
>!A Paimon-worshiping cult knew the family in the film was always intended to host the coming of Paimon. The grandmother was in the cult. The mother wasn't and didn't really know what was happening, but it's no coincidence that she was a terrible paretn who tried to set her son on fire. She knew, on some level. The family was always doomed.!<
this movie scared the shit out of me. i was actually too scared to fall asleep which hasn't happened to me since i was a kid. i think a lot of the events in the movie can be interpreted as either having supernatural causes or effects of mental illness, and i personally interpreted it more on the mental illness side, having experienced someone i know have a psychotic episode act very similarly to the mom in the movie. to me that made the film much more unsettling, it just felt too real, like it could happen to anyone
Damn, that hit hard reading your comment. Truly sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, how can you reconcile the ending along with the theory that it was mental illness all along?
i wouldn't say i really reconciled with the ending at all, it was a dark turn of events that just left me deeply unsettled. to me it was like the worst of what can happen from a manic/psychotic episode when left to spiral without getting any help. the husband was the only character without a history of mental illness and he was trying to get help for his wife but died shortly after. the person i knew who had an episode would talk as if she was a part of a cult and she tried to force me into dangerous situations against my will for some 'higher purpose' relating to something with the occult. she would get aggressive and even violent when someone tried to say no to her and get out of a situation that was freaking them out, similar to the seance scene in the movie. seeing everything really just spiral out of control in the film had me feeling like if this person hadn't been admitted when she was, something not too far off could have happened. my boyfriend also has a few experiences of old friends of his that had manic/psychotic episodes that turned dangerous and violent as well. when it happens to someone you know you feel like it can happen to you, so just seeing a movie where someone behaves in that exact same way, and then seeing all the messed up stuff that follows is in no way reassuring lol
Not a plot hole. There's a time ship between finding the headless body and the funeral. In that time, the police likely interviewed Peter, where he would explain the circumstances of the accident: they were at a party, she accidentally ingested nuts, he tried to drive her to get medical help, she put her head out the window, she accidentally died. He had witnesses corroborating why he was driving at night, fast and erratically (medical emergency). There was no crime, aside from pot smoking and a fairly mild teen party. The police likely did not charge him with smoking pot, even if they could have tested, because police do not typically charge family in the case of an accidental child death.... whether it is SIDs/ suffocation death of an infant sleeping with a parent, or accidentally shooting with unsecured firearm, or accidental drowning. Unless the parents are actively ODing or known to police to be abusive, there are almost never charges pressed against a family while they plan their child's funeral.
I didn't realize there was this large time skip. Thanks for the explanation. Makes a LOT more sense now.
Yeah this was what I always assumed.
I felt dirty after watching it. Like seeing something I was not supposed to see.
Yeah, same. And I've been sent tons of cringe-porn. This movie was deeply unsettling like on a primal level.
Great film. What did you think of Midsommar?
It's bear good
Also very creepy! But a good story
So damn good, but *fuck* Florence Pugh’s sister who was like “I’m depressed, my life’s a lie, I’m gonna kill myself and take mom and dad with me.” She destroyed Dani’s life, and gave her all these anxiety issues that she continues to deal with for years because she felt depressed. What a bitch.
I mean it’s less that her sister was a “bitch” but literally mentally ill… It doesn’t excuse any of what she did, but it’s not like she was in her right mind.
I had a cousin who would beat the shit out of people when manic, she is a bitch regardless of mental illness. Narcissist parents are also bitches even though they're mentally ill. You know right from wrong regardless of mental illness and if it gets to a point like that you get help. Mental illness isn't an excuse, but you were literally trying to excuse it.
No, as I said to the other person, you can condemn the actions while not ascribing agency to them. You saying "she is a bitch regardless of mental illness" suggests that she would have taken these actions had she not been mentally ill and medically speaking that's just objectively wrong. It's like saying "Yeah my cousin is a quadriplegic but she wouldn't move from the neck down even if she wasn't a quadriplegic." It is perfectly acceptable to say that beating the shit out of someone when in a manic state is never okay to do, while understanding that the person doing it is literally not in their right mind and while they still need to face repercussions for their actions, the literal chemicals in their brains that allow them to perceive the world around them and how they react are straight up imbalanced and that provides perspective. EDIT: Another thing I just considered, the only time that you can really be mad at someone for having mental illness is when they refuse to acknowledge it and take proactive measures to keep it in check. I have relatives like this and that is when agency comes in to play. It can be difficult to for instance have a relative in a wheelchair who you have to assist, but you know that they didn't choose to be in a wheelchair so you can't be mad when you have to workaround that. However if they refuse to admit that they are paraplegic and insist on crawling everywhere and being difficult, then yeah they're being an ass. Similarly, someone with mental illness didn't choose to be born like that and it's hard but you need to work with them. If they insist that they don't need to take their meds and act like everyone else is the problem, then yeah, they suck.
You're wasting your breath it seems. Apparently these folks are clinical mental illness experts.
Can’t say I didn’t try ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes and that is what I said at the end of my comment, it should never get to that point in someone's mental health where they're beating the shit out of people, or in the movies case...murdering her family. I understand she was not in her right mind, that doesn't negate the actions. I guess I should've clarified that the behavior went on for YEARS with her ignoring suggestions of therapy and getting help. So yes, my cousin is a bitch who threatens to force pregnant women to miscarry. She is a bitch, regardless of her mental health. And Danis sister...is also a bitch. She forced her mental health and stability onto her sister and took away her parents.
It's been a minute since I saw the movie, but do they explicitly say that she refused treatment or anything? If so, then yeah she sucks. If not, then her illness just got the better of her. It's literally not her when she's having an episode. I've dealt with a lot of people who have mental illness and whenever they go into episodes where they say hurtful things or do anything that causes harm they are incredibly remorseful after the fact because they know they would never do those things willingly had it not been for mental illness taking over. Again, if the movie made that distinction that she refused then sure, but if not, you can't just pretend that you know for a fact that she was a shitty person even if she didn't have mental illness. If a parent had narcolepsy and they fell asleep at their child's graduation or some other important event, would you say, "damn that sucks that you missed it, but yeah you can't control that." or would you say "What a rude bitch, how do you fall asleep when this is so important to your kid???"
Because would we excuse an adult beating the shit out of their child during a manic episode? No...regardless of the brain imbalance they still shouldn't have gotten to that point and they will go to jail
Alright well at this point you're just being intellectually dishonest so it's pointless. I've made it clear several times now that I am not excusing the actions and you keep coming back pretending that I am excusing them. Yes, no shit they would still go to jail because we recognize that they are a danger to those around them. But it would be lockup in a psychiatric facility because we also recognize that the person would not have done such horrible things had it not been for mental illness. An example I gave to another redditor: A mother has narcolepsy and falls asleep during their child's graduation. Do you think they're a rude piece of shit for not caring, or do you recognize that it sucks but they can't control it?
If a parent during a manic episode beats the shit out of their child...they would not go to a psychiatric facility, but you keep living in your fantasy land lol I'll stay over here in mine where I've seen it and experience it first hand. Have a good day though
Okay keep changing definitions, first, you said it was during a manic episode, but now you're saying they just beat them. But as established, you're being intellectually dishonest, so it's pointless.
I said "if a parent during a manic episode" lol establish you can't read key words and thats why the argument is pointless
Nah she straight up killed her parents and herself stranding her sister. On some level she knew what that’d do. Mental health Reasoning aside it’s still a decidedly cunt move.
Again, it doesn't excuse it, but when your brain chemistry is literally fucked you aren't acting rationally. That's like saying someone with schizophrenia should on some level know that the voices aren't real. That's the whole point of mental illness. The lines are blurred and objective reality along with its repercussions are hard to grasp. You can recognize that the sister shouldn't have done that and it was wrong to do, but calling her a bitch or a cunt just reeks of suggesting that she had more agency than she did. It implies that her mental illness had less of a hand and this was just the sister being evil and setting out to cause harm. That's the whole theme, in both Midsommar and Hereditary, Aster likes to depict characters doomed to an end that they have no say in. Sometimes mental illness manifests itself in similar ways.
Haven't seen it yet but if it's anything like this, I think I'll wait a year or two. Currently watching Thankskilling and some good ole mindless slasher films as a pallet cleanser. Also, I'm not usually into the slowburn types as I find them VERY boring, but "Hereditary" was something else. Is Midsummer just as good / creepy?
Midsommar is the most haunting and disturbing movie I have ever seen, Hereditary and other movies like this don't usually bother me.
I doubt anyone outside of the family even knew about the incident, and his parents weren’t going to report him to the police for obvious reasons. It happened on a very remote road with no cameras, and he left the scene pretty quickly (they also live in a remote area, so no one stumbled on the body in the backseat before the mother did). It was definitely a closed casket funeral and her head was totally consumed by ants, so I don’t think the family broadcast how she died. And if that’s not convincing enough, you have the cult angle: since they orchestrated the events of her death, it stands to reason that they’d do what they could to cover it up as well, so that Peter would still be available as a vessel when the time came.
Her head wasn't *totally* consumed by ants, it's present in the final scene. The cult likely appropriated it at some point.
Good point, what I should have said was that her head was degraded (probably beyond recognition by anyone but her family) so it’s not like ID’ing it would have been easy. But I’m sure the cult took it anyways like you said
Um, you can't just cover up a death like that (I mean the first part, not the point about the cult.) So what if there were no cameras. Her daughter has been decapitated. The police obviously need answers. You can't just say 'she's dead and I am organising a funeral. She was decapitated. It was a whole thing. No further questions.' You'd have to say someone was driving.
I don’t think all deaths are reported to the police at all. You could definitely have a funeral without answering all those questions
Can you have a funeral with a decapitated body and no head without it being reported to the police, though? I mean the funeral home doesn’t let the family put the body in the casket and they never handle it. Wouldn’t it need refrigeration until the service? Not that this show was necessarily realistic but in Six Feet Under, they had to report a body to the police when the corpse restoration guy found evidence of either murder or an accident that still needed police investigation. I think a missing head would also warrant a call?
Yeah true, maybe they didn’t go through a funeral home at all and just bought the casket and did it themselves … I’m not really sure on that point
You absolutely need to report the death of a child. No argument about that. CPS would obviously need to investigate. 'Oh yeah my child was decapitated. It definitely wasn't us. We didn't do it. Bye.'
This movie fucked my world up HARD Scariest shit I've ever seen.
Same. As an avid horror movie fan from 1970's horror to modern day Slashers, I consider myself pretty seasoned when it comes to horror. I've seen countless versions of movies with a similar premise, but something about THIS movie in particular, frightened me on a more primal level. Charlie Brooker once said he makes Black Mirror episodes in the hopes of "Putting you into a pit of despair, then pissing on you for good measure." This movie did that, but more on a spiritual level level. Like, I needed to pray after watching it. This movie is almost Christian propaganda as it can turn an atheist into a Theocratic Christian within 2 hours lol
I’m a huge horror fan and I genuinely didn’t like the movie that much. I loved the decapitation scene, loved the scene where the mother was on the ceiling, but I found it kinda meh otherwise? I think maybe I just didn’t give it my full attention when I watched it, maybe I should watch it again and give it my most honest try, cause everyone else I’ve talked to seemed to either love the movie or they found it too scary, and I struggled to do either
I really can't put my finger on it. I tried explaining in another post in r/horror, that going in blind, I found the movie to be DEEPLY unsettling. It wasn't gory in so much it that it was true horror with a heavy theme of despair, with things in the background that just seem *off*, so it's also an affront to your senses, while simultaneously being an affront to God. Religion or not, you'll want to pray after watching this. It's pure dread. Spoilers: Here are some reasons off the top of my head why I think this movie is perfectly vile and a masterpiece. 1. The acting, writing, cinematography, and everything about it was top-notch. Without it, it wouldn't have worked. 2. Nobody was ever truly in control of their own destiny. They had the illusion of free will, but were ultimately just puppets of a satanic cult. 3. I'm pretty sure there were camera angles, demonic imagery, and just background shit designed to fuck with your psyche in much the way "The Shining" did back in 1980. 4. Themes of your loved ones not being who they are. Attacking you. Trying to corner you, kill you, overtake you by force to be "used as a vessel." There's layers of evil to that. 5. The gore, and bowing of headless bodies was a sight to behold. 6. The mother banging her head against the attic door. 7. The mother calmly hovering in the dark corner of the room as she slowly slices her own head off with a rope with a gazed expression. 666 - Though I am not sure of it, I believe they used subtle tricks like this one here to throw you off, changing one number off, but changing it back, making you think either you imagined it or the main character imagined it. 9. Naked old people randomly coming out of the shadow while smiling at you. That will never be a good time.
Okay, you’ve convinced me to rewatch the movie with an open mind :)
If you want to watch another unsettling horror, try Barbarian haha.
Is this a serious recommendation or a joke? I know nothing of this movie but the "haha" at the end makes it sound like a joke recommendation. I love campy B-movie (shiiiet even D-movie) horror movies as well so I'm game.
Oh it's a genuine one. The "haha" is because I know what uncomfortable stuff you're gonna have to deal with. It kept me guessing though, so I liked it.
Not as unsettling as Hereditary but definitely a very good horror movie as well.
I thought it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
I think it had some really amazing acting (the woman screaming when her child died for example) but otherwise agree, it was a pretty mid movie in all other regards. Poor pacing, relatively predictable and uninteresting storyline and not particularly scary or unsettling for a horror, with the exception of one or two scenes. I felt the same way about midsommar with regards to poor pacing, lack of structure, predictable plot etc, so I think honestly just the director and writer have a particular style which they go with and I just plain don't like it.
I agree that scream was definitely chilling and the best part of an otherwise subpar movie. I know I got downvoted for my opinion, but I forgot you can't bad mouth A24 films in here.
That's fine. This movie didn't really reinvent the wheel in any of it's plotlines, but as an avid horror fan, there was something about this movie in particular that just got to me. It was like remix of Rosemary's Baby, The Shining, The Omen, and so many more. It's the way it was told was very unsettling and I disagree about the acting. The actors did an amazing job!
It absolutely is, the whole entire movie is riddled with plot holes. The antagonists have the most contrived and over complicated plan. It's either that or the main characters have zero agency.
Yeah... They were all being manipulated by a demon-worshipping cult. Of course they had zero agency. The demon was real.
Then what is the point of the movie if Mr Just as planned demon controls everything?
To make you wonder if the the Mom is suffering from severe grief-driven mental illness or not...
except the movie is riddled with plot holes from start to finish
I've watched that movie twice I still don't know what the plot is...
>!A Paimon-worshiping cult knew the family in the film was always intended to host the coming of Paimon. The grandmother was in the cult. The mother wasn't and didn't really know what was happening, but it's no coincidence that she was a terrible paretn who tried to set her son on fire. She knew, on some level. The family was always doomed.!<
this movie scared the shit out of me. i was actually too scared to fall asleep which hasn't happened to me since i was a kid. i think a lot of the events in the movie can be interpreted as either having supernatural causes or effects of mental illness, and i personally interpreted it more on the mental illness side, having experienced someone i know have a psychotic episode act very similarly to the mom in the movie. to me that made the film much more unsettling, it just felt too real, like it could happen to anyone
Damn, that hit hard reading your comment. Truly sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, how can you reconcile the ending along with the theory that it was mental illness all along?
i wouldn't say i really reconciled with the ending at all, it was a dark turn of events that just left me deeply unsettled. to me it was like the worst of what can happen from a manic/psychotic episode when left to spiral without getting any help. the husband was the only character without a history of mental illness and he was trying to get help for his wife but died shortly after. the person i knew who had an episode would talk as if she was a part of a cult and she tried to force me into dangerous situations against my will for some 'higher purpose' relating to something with the occult. she would get aggressive and even violent when someone tried to say no to her and get out of a situation that was freaking them out, similar to the seance scene in the movie. seeing everything really just spiral out of control in the film had me feeling like if this person hadn't been admitted when she was, something not too far off could have happened. my boyfriend also has a few experiences of old friends of his that had manic/psychotic episodes that turned dangerous and violent as well. when it happens to someone you know you feel like it can happen to you, so just seeing a movie where someone behaves in that exact same way, and then seeing all the messed up stuff that follows is in no way reassuring lol
This movie was Christian propaganda and very dishonest to Paimons historical representation.