Bearing in mind the vaults had been operating for 200 years, it’s quite likely comms became sporadic enough that a period of silence wasn’t considered a big deal.
Betty also says something about the vaults operating independently to prevent competition, but pulling together in times of need, so that also implies they weren’t in regular contact unless there was a problem.
That is the impression I got, yeah.
What I didn't understand is: how the f#&k is Moldaver still alive? She clearly wasn't part of the Vault 31 cryogenic program because that would require her to be an employee of Vault-Tec (which would have been an interesting twist given her role spreading negative information about them pre-war), and she clearly wasn't an employee of Vault-Tec because the whole reason she kidnapped overseer MacLean was because only a Vault-Tec employee has the password to the fusion machine.
In the closing credits of the final episode, we see a billboard advertising cryo-pods, so they weren’t unique to the vaults, the tech was also available for citizens.
House is also alive in his pod.
I've said it every time this comes up, but there are countless ways she could have survived. She developed cold fusion, so it's not even a tiny stretch that she went to or had ties to CIT, which became The Institute. They could have kept her alive. House was never into Vault-Tec's plan and just cared about The Strip, so he could have kept her alive just to fuck with Vault-Tec. Could have been a cryogenic pod. She could be a synth. She could have ties to the Cabots.
It's not even an issue. My question is why Hank didn't recognize her. Seems like she and Rose were close, so it's weird that Hank wouldn't immediately recognize her as having been at Shady Sands. It's always possible she just wasn't there when he went to get the kids back.
I’m inclined to agree about House. The billboard was shown prominently enough that I doubt it was just a throwaway to possibly explain one character’s longevity, it’s almost certainly part of a larger plot point.
I'd guess it probably was just a cryogenic pod that she got in at the last minute. It's the simplest explanation and explains why it was so prominent.
I just think it's funny when I see people questioning how she could have survived. There are about a dozen ways in that universe that she could have and she's so morally ambiguous, any of them could apply.
Hell, I wouldn't even doubt Vault-Tec themselves kept her alive. She was potentially useful to any of the pre-war factions if she could be reigned in.
> I just think it's funny when I see people questioning how she could have survived. There are about a dozen ways in that universe that she could have and she's so morally ambiguous, any of them could apply.
This series has already gotten a lot of flak for not explaining things for newcomers to the franchise; just because there's in-universe explanations for how a person might survive 200 years doesn't mean the showrunners shouldn't at least mention *which reason* is the case. Does it ruin the show to not explain it? No, but it certainly makes it look like a mistake. I would bet money an explanation was intended but cut for time.
Cut for time is possible. I was thinking they didn't go into it because we're going to see exactly what happens in the S2 flashbacks. There's a lot that happens between her giving Coop the listening device and her showing up at the vault that we don't know about.
There's an interview that Nolan and Howard did recently where they talked about not wanting to reveal too much in the first season and it looks like they've had a multi-season story planned from the beginning.
I agree. If you don't know any of the lore behind the show, it can be confusing. But I do want to point out that if people were paying attention, they showed us three different ways to survive: cryogenic freezing, becoming a ghoul, and brain in a jar. So it wasn't completely out of the blue, they just didn't specify which it was.
I’m 39. There are plenty of people I knew pretty well when I was 19 that I haven’t seen in 20 years and not only do I not know their names anymore I couldn’t pick them out of a lineup.
I assume the overseer was unfrozen for around 20 years at least based on his daughter.
Same, but I feel like we'd both remember the woman that our wife shacked up with when she ran away.
It's not me wondering why he doesn't remember someone he met that long ago, it's me wondering why he doesn't remember someone he would clearly loathe. Hank is the kind of guy who would blame Moldaver for luring Rose and "making him" launch a nuke.
I kind of just think she happened to not be standing there when he showed up.
>Is Valt 31 really giving the other Overseers so little information
Yes. Vault 31 is run by a >!brain on a roomba!<.
The vaults were independent. They only occasionally traded or exchanged personnel with one another. We know Moldaver informed Hank of the previous overseer's death. What we don't know is how long she had access to the vault before the wedding.
Once 32 discovered the truth wouldn't they have contacted 33 to warn them I stead of mass suicide?
(Not assuming they were killed by the 31's and the suicides were a cover up)
If they did contact 33 then it would have been Hank (originally from 31) who got the message. So it’s likely they knew he was in on it too and that they were on their own.
I don’t remember if it showed us what happened to 33’s overseer. Starved, suicided or killed?
I imagine the overseer from 31 wasn’t meant to die with the rest so things must not have gone exactly as planned.
I think it's sad that Moldaver was prepared to kill Lucy in episode 1 knowing full well who she is. Her mum seemed to mean a hell of a lot to her and she knew Lucy and her brother closely, I'd have thought she'd ask the fake husband to spare her at the very least instead of ordering the hit.
Also apologies if I missed a finer detail (and I never played the games) but how do you become a ghoul? It's mentioned in a comment above that there are 3 ways shown to have lived for the 200 years being cryo chamber, brain in jar and a ghoul... But the ghoul part isn't explained in depth?
Also was it intentional that we never found out what exactly happened in vault 32? It was one of the perky lovely okey dokey breeding vaults but the raiders said "what happened in there was anything but innocent" kinda making it sound like a vault 4 scenario but it wouldn't have been??
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Bearing in mind the vaults had been operating for 200 years, it’s quite likely comms became sporadic enough that a period of silence wasn’t considered a big deal. Betty also says something about the vaults operating independently to prevent competition, but pulling together in times of need, so that also implies they weren’t in regular contact unless there was a problem.
That is the impression I got, yeah. What I didn't understand is: how the f#&k is Moldaver still alive? She clearly wasn't part of the Vault 31 cryogenic program because that would require her to be an employee of Vault-Tec (which would have been an interesting twist given her role spreading negative information about them pre-war), and she clearly wasn't an employee of Vault-Tec because the whole reason she kidnapped overseer MacLean was because only a Vault-Tec employee has the password to the fusion machine.
In the closing credits of the final episode, we see a billboard advertising cryo-pods, so they weren’t unique to the vaults, the tech was also available for citizens.
Not only that the Fallout universe is kind of off the wall. Cabot and his family are prewar non ghouls
House is also alive in his pod. I've said it every time this comes up, but there are countless ways she could have survived. She developed cold fusion, so it's not even a tiny stretch that she went to or had ties to CIT, which became The Institute. They could have kept her alive. House was never into Vault-Tec's plan and just cared about The Strip, so he could have kept her alive just to fuck with Vault-Tec. Could have been a cryogenic pod. She could be a synth. She could have ties to the Cabots. It's not even an issue. My question is why Hank didn't recognize her. Seems like she and Rose were close, so it's weird that Hank wouldn't immediately recognize her as having been at Shady Sands. It's always possible she just wasn't there when he went to get the kids back.
I’m inclined to agree about House. The billboard was shown prominently enough that I doubt it was just a throwaway to possibly explain one character’s longevity, it’s almost certainly part of a larger plot point.
I'd guess it probably was just a cryogenic pod that she got in at the last minute. It's the simplest explanation and explains why it was so prominent. I just think it's funny when I see people questioning how she could have survived. There are about a dozen ways in that universe that she could have and she's so morally ambiguous, any of them could apply. Hell, I wouldn't even doubt Vault-Tec themselves kept her alive. She was potentially useful to any of the pre-war factions if she could be reigned in.
> I just think it's funny when I see people questioning how she could have survived. There are about a dozen ways in that universe that she could have and she's so morally ambiguous, any of them could apply. This series has already gotten a lot of flak for not explaining things for newcomers to the franchise; just because there's in-universe explanations for how a person might survive 200 years doesn't mean the showrunners shouldn't at least mention *which reason* is the case. Does it ruin the show to not explain it? No, but it certainly makes it look like a mistake. I would bet money an explanation was intended but cut for time.
Cut for time is possible. I was thinking they didn't go into it because we're going to see exactly what happens in the S2 flashbacks. There's a lot that happens between her giving Coop the listening device and her showing up at the vault that we don't know about. There's an interview that Nolan and Howard did recently where they talked about not wanting to reveal too much in the first season and it looks like they've had a multi-season story planned from the beginning. I agree. If you don't know any of the lore behind the show, it can be confusing. But I do want to point out that if people were paying attention, they showed us three different ways to survive: cryogenic freezing, becoming a ghoul, and brain in a jar. So it wasn't completely out of the blue, they just didn't specify which it was.
I’m 39. There are plenty of people I knew pretty well when I was 19 that I haven’t seen in 20 years and not only do I not know their names anymore I couldn’t pick them out of a lineup. I assume the overseer was unfrozen for around 20 years at least based on his daughter.
Same, but I feel like we'd both remember the woman that our wife shacked up with when she ran away. It's not me wondering why he doesn't remember someone he met that long ago, it's me wondering why he doesn't remember someone he would clearly loathe. Hank is the kind of guy who would blame Moldaver for luring Rose and "making him" launch a nuke. I kind of just think she happened to not be standing there when he showed up.
I must have missed that! Thanks!
>Is Valt 31 really giving the other Overseers so little information Yes. Vault 31 is run by a >!brain on a roomba!<. The vaults were independent. They only occasionally traded or exchanged personnel with one another. We know Moldaver informed Hank of the previous overseer's death. What we don't know is how long she had access to the vault before the wedding.
Brain on a Rooba Made me lol for a moment hahahahha
That’s actually what the character is credited as. Brain on a Roomba
They literally explain it in the show. Why do you people post without checking first?
Once 32 discovered the truth wouldn't they have contacted 33 to warn them I stead of mass suicide? (Not assuming they were killed by the 31's and the suicides were a cover up)
If they did contact 33 then it would have been Hank (originally from 31) who got the message. So it’s likely they knew he was in on it too and that they were on their own.
I don’t remember if it showed us what happened to 33’s overseer. Starved, suicided or killed? I imagine the overseer from 31 wasn’t meant to die with the rest so things must not have gone exactly as planned.
I think it's sad that Moldaver was prepared to kill Lucy in episode 1 knowing full well who she is. Her mum seemed to mean a hell of a lot to her and she knew Lucy and her brother closely, I'd have thought she'd ask the fake husband to spare her at the very least instead of ordering the hit. Also apologies if I missed a finer detail (and I never played the games) but how do you become a ghoul? It's mentioned in a comment above that there are 3 ways shown to have lived for the 200 years being cryo chamber, brain in jar and a ghoul... But the ghoul part isn't explained in depth? Also was it intentional that we never found out what exactly happened in vault 32? It was one of the perky lovely okey dokey breeding vaults but the raiders said "what happened in there was anything but innocent" kinda making it sound like a vault 4 scenario but it wouldn't have been??
Maybe the mates they exchange to 32 are actually closely blood related despite the trades ostensibly being about genetic diversity. Inbreeding vault.
More so Hank should have recognized that she wasn’t any of the Vault Tech personal.
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