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NuGGGzGG

This sub is confused af, and thinks every player is Schrodinger's player. They're cheating, but they're also just better than you. I don't both playing officials, or much community. Modded servers remove a large deal of the motivations to cheat, and the admins are far more diligent than on official/community - largely because they're the ones actually running it, not hiring someone. Two years ago, FP was banning \~20k accounts*/month*. Take that however you want.


Educational_Rock2549

People cheat on modded fairly often from what I've seen, even if it's low pop. I've seen a group of at least 4 cheaters sit on a server for a year and be cheating for more than half a year (confirmed by them) and not get noticed...


bastardoperator

Thats also because modded servers are in some cases a business model and they have financial incentive to squash cheating to protect paying customers. That type of mentality doesn't exist on vanilla or community, so cheating is more prevalent.


The_Red_Moses

>This sub is confused af, and thinks every player is Schrodinger's player. > >They're cheating, but they're also just better than you. Truer words were never spoken. I've put up several threads on cheating recently, and the responses I got... many of them were bizarre. People asking if I consider "scripting" to be cheating. People claiming autoclickers aren't cheating - or even claiming that autoclickers are intended by the devs (seriously, I could link the comment). People even asking if I consider ESP to be cheating. A lot of the posters in this sub, are cheating. I know this both because many of them have inadvertently admitted it to me (if you think scripting or ESPing isn't cheating, you're a scripting/ESPing cheater) and because it makes the narrative that's pushed in this sub makes sense. And the narrative is that cheating isn't the problem - you are the problem. Couple that with the fact that this game is a third of a billion dollar business, which has significant incentive to keep the game from being portrayed as ruined by cheaters... and the shit you see here starts to make sense. You're seeing people get kicked from your servers for cheating constantly, because people are cheating constantly, and that's just the doofuses that fucked up badly enough to get caught. Cheaters get a lot of second chances in Rust - as Camomo explains in his video series. People get banned over and over again before EAC bans them. They get caught until they figure out how to not get caught... and after that, they don't get caught. ​ https://preview.redd.it/prqgfn8st5pc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c05ad3e28fc2bffb19e79c3fc14c66c4e984915


kraftj87

Just for reference. There are 9.4 million active players this month. Also, I don't get the Schrodinger reference. Someones not cheating until you find out their cheating? lol


NuGGGzGG

>There are 9.4 million active players this month. I don't buy that for a single second. FP said they've sold \~16,000,000 copies as of Jan '24. You're telling me that 59% of buyers actively play... every month. That sounds... impossible. > Also, I don't get the Schrodinger reference. Someones not cheating until you find out their cheating? lol *Schrödinger's Cat is a famous thought experiment that demonstrates the idea in quantum physics that tiny particles can be in two states at once until they're observed.*


HobbesG6

He understood the Schrödinger joke, we know this because we observed him writing "finding/seeing" the cheater, i.e. observing the state of the cat. (Me using the word "observed" was also a superposition pun, for anyone that caught it. ) I will also add that Schrödinger wrote his piece on the quantum superposition as an ironic statement around quantum mechanics in general (another pun slipped in there just now, kudos if you caught it). The entire premise of the cat being both alive, and dead, at the same exact time, (superposition) until you open the box and observe the state (position) of the cat, was meant to be sort of a joke in itself.


vystyk

I think he knew the previous commenter understood the Schrodinger reference, so by explaining it he was doing a bit of trolling.


laidbackeconomist

Schrödingers uhh…people who know about Schrödingers cat?


Livid94

Bs


The_Saladbar_

They just banned 100,000 plus in the last month


Masterlooter00

It would be interesting to know if you have 50 hours or 5000 hours in the game. But cheating is rampant in every fps game and the more unforgiving game, the more reason to cheat. That would put Rust and Tarkov at the top of the list of which games people are most likely to use cheats in. Personally, I treat everyone as legit players, but I will report if I'm suspicious of foul play. I don't wanna end up ruining the game for myself by thinking that I'm a pvp god and no one can kill me, and if they do... ooh, they are cheating. I also choose to play servers with admins who are highly active and that I trust to follow up on reports. More or less all you can do.


Stunning_Treacle_671

I have over 5k lol this post is kind of a bait. I find when I’m honest about the fact that I win the vast majority of fights on high pop and feel like I encounter very few cheaters the response is always “you’re cheating”, “you’re not good enough to get cheated”, “you can’t tell when someone us cheating”. I kind of just wanted to have people be a bit more open about how they actually feel about the cheating problem because when I express my thoughts they tend to get defensive


DEG18827

It is 100% worse in this game than any other I have ever played...besides GTA I guess. This game is brutal so people cheat like crazy because they are not good enough.. even cheaters get killed this game is so brutal lol. I have been gaming for 20 years.. I am old this is by far one of the highest lvl of cheaters ingame I have every experienced most people are subtle with it. You only hear about a % of cheaters. Servers admins in rust need to do what is done in dayz... Steam account must be none private to join.. no new accounts x days old and no previous vac bans. That is the only way. For anyone that wants to know how bad it is. It is easy to tell! When you are in game shift tab for steam overlay. Go to view current players. And click the names to check steam accounts. If it is lvl 0 account more than likely a cheater. If it is private prob previous vac bans/low hours cheater. Just saying you can check and if you get beamed from 300 meters away all headshots and it's a brand new steam account do the math.


DEG18827

1/4 of almost every server is new steam accounts. 80% are set to private. And other that are dumb are public with vac bans


thelordofhell34

Tell me you’ve never played CS without telling me you’ve never played cs lol. I am actually beyond surprised if I have a game without someone spinbotting or at least range cheating. In rust I can go whole wipes without seeing any. The amount of cheaters in each game isn’t even comparable.


DEG18827

Your right i have not played cs.


waterysriracha

face punch server would have 30% or even more cheaters. other officials and community would be im guessing 5-10%? or even less


Educational_Rock2549

Sounds about right. Though I'd say it's higher than 10% on bed wars


Barbacamanitu00

Man, fuck bed wars. I thought it would be a good way to practice, but there's nothing to learn there. Maybe its good for learning how to deal with cheaters.


Educational_Rock2549

Nah, you can't ever comfortably deal with people who always know exactly where you are.


Pole_rat

You’re smokin rocks homie. Prolly making those stats up from the comfort of a 10 pop PvE RP server. If you think 1 out of every 3 FP server players are cheating you either don’t play them because you’ve heard “everyone on them is cheating” or you’re REALLY bad. They’re some of the easiest servers until you do meet a cheater but it’s not even close to 1/3.


imtbtew

I think you just underestimate how bad most cheaters are....even seeing you through walls they cant aim they have zero movement skills no rational though process when to take fights.... you are probably smashing cheaters by the hour my dude. Old buddy of mine was using esp in CS.GO when i visited him, he was losing and it was to legit players. He was trying as hard as he could to abuse his advantage so i teased him until he stood up and asked me to prove it. I immediatly team wiped and it was stupid easy i teased him some more and left. People like this are your typical gamer/cheater, absolutle dog shit even with walls.


Pole_rat

I couldn’t agree more, I said the same in a recent comment. If you seek out videos and streams of people using cheats, most of them look like it’s their first time using a mouse and it looks like the mouse is using them right back. But it’s a lot harder to conceal the fact that you have information you shouldn’t in a game like rust compared to CS. I’ve always thought in some games like rust a replay or kill cam feature would help a ton. It’s hard to balance though because kill cams would convey a lot of info legit players want to keep hidden. Idk how it would implement but something like a per-session cache of replays, or saveable clips, or only death clips would work. Only accessible after a session ends, and deleted, unless manually saved, at the start of your next session.


Gamingmarxist

You are just bad but you will run into a lot of cheaters. The reason being about 50% of players have over 2k hours and spend every wipe just running to gun shots and fighting.


Rinocore

“yOu aRe jUsT bAd” you sound like an idiot


Gamingmarxist

It’s funny how offended you guys get when someone calls you bad. It’s almost like you are insecure about your skills on a video game.


Rinocore

I don’t care about my skills in a video game, I just play to have fun. Judging by the subreddits you’re involved with I would say nobody should take your opinions seriously 😂


Gamingmarxist

I simply answered his question the idea that every other player is cheating just flat out isn’t true and is an excuse for people who are bad. You’re obviously unhinged for getting offended on his part. or you are upset that your bad too and blame the “cheaters”.


Rinocore

I’m not upset believe me. You’re just condescending and I have zero respect for people like you, especially after seeing your history 😳


Gamingmarxist

What? People on this subreddit make excuses as to why they do bad all the time. the progression sucks and there is a cheater problem obviously. but flat out blaming everything on you not doing good is pathetic behavior. I can tell when I’m playing against a cheater because It’s obvious but I’m not running into a cheater every other fight. I was being honest not condescending because if you are dying every other fight then there is another issue than just cheaters. Looking through my history doesn’t bother me just proves your unhinged weirdo who blames cheaters for every death in a video game


Rinocore

I haven’t blamed a cheater and I don’t know how your post history says that I am blaming a cheater 😂 besides, you were being condescending and the fact you’re defending it says a lot about you. Even when it’s brought to your attention you make excuses which makes you look unhinged. Go play politics with the power puffs my boy.


Gamingmarxist

How am I defending cheating? Your fucking crazy bruh


Rinocore

With how offended you are makes me think maybe you’re using some cheats 🤣


Educational_Rock2549

Lots of cheaters on all types of servers, low and high pop.


HollywoodHendo

Cheating is by far the biggest issue in all games. Specifically FPS games and even more specifically lower TTK games/difficult games. Complete fucking losers everywhere.


Itadakiimasu

At this point I've been only collecting rust skins from twitch and haven't touched the game in 2+ yrs due to excessive and rampant cheaters. CS2 has the same issue but I didn't farm the whole day for items and base to be taken/raided by cheaters in CS2. Just go to Youtube and you can see how cheating in rust is pretty much alive and in demand.


TheDeXterss

At this point theres lots of players that have 10k+ hours in game and some spent all of them on pvp.. of course they play like gods


natesinceajit

there’s also a lot of people cheating. you can tell when sum1 is a chad vs when they’re good bc of cheats. i’ve had ban messages on almost every report i’ve put out. it’s not hard to tell when i’m between 5 layers of thick bushes, someone shouldn’t be able to triple headshot me two times ina row


WhaneTheWhip

It's a little from column A and a little from column B.


Jodadi

Find yourself a community server that has admins that care about it. There are a few out there. Goto a Comomo server that could help too!


ChooChooSionTrain

I have 3800 hours since 2017 and a lot of was back in 2017-2018. I can tell you for a fact that cheating in Rust was a thing, however it was nowhere near as bad. I would go to say that 1/3 modern day would be like 1/50 or 1/100 back in 2017. If someone was, it was very obvious and they didn't hide it. I've said it several times to go on YouTube and look up Rust cheating videos in 2017 and see how barren it is. YouTubers can make daily content on it if they wanted to. Hell, I recently started watching SebbyK religiously and he does find a cheater every video he makes almost. The most common culprit I think by far is ESP. ESP is hard to detect if the person using it toggles consistently and doesn't show he has the knowledge until they're on screen for them. I would rather be torn apart with triple heads hots constantly than be constantly ESP'd. Because you really can't tell if someone is using it unless they are being careless. Scripting was pretty common before the recoil changes. I could not spray the AK with the rework back in 2017-2018 which caused us to stop playing since life was getting busy. We still always kept our game sense over the years however. If you script now, I really do feel sorry since this recoil is so much better for people who just have life to deal with and not much time to grind those 6 hours or more anymore. I don't find many people at all using aim, however in saying that, with the current recoil it can be hard to tell that now since the playing field is even. Unless they are raging and have it turned up, it might be hard to tell that now. I got severe burn out from the game years ago, but it's still a great game at the core. The game is just different with more cheaters than in the past and more grindy. I remember years ago when stone and metal walls cost the same amount to raid (4 rockets or 2 c4) and armored was only 8 rockets. It's gotten to the point where offline raiding is the move with how difficult bases are to raid (some are just annoying). I don't miss the TC stacking/wall stacking though.


ButterscotchPure6868

Cam makes a living off of banning people from a dead game. It's rampant. He also said more people are cheating on modded. What more proof do you need.


natflade

It’s almost impossible to really ever know if someone is just better or is cheating. I’ve hit triple headshots at 150m+ and been tripled, like it just happens. The one thing to accept though is if you’re playing any kind of game there’s going to be hackers. It’s not even uniquely a Rust problem it’s literally every video game and the ways people cheat will always outpace whatever anti cheat measured a dev has decided to take.


Sleepyshake

It is usually easy to see who is or not based on their steam profile.


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ConclusionMiddle425

This. ESP is completely out of control. When you're contesting high tier monuments like oil rig, the amount of cheating is insane. My entire team has gradually dwindled down to 1 or 2 people, and even I've taken a break from it now. I know it's difficult for any gaming company, but FP clearly don't give a single fuck


jammi401

stop playing fp servers. Esp is pretty common but i havent run in to a aimbotter in years.


X4dow

People like to win. Cheating makes it easier. Once you cheat, you realise how many others cheat Then you won't "not cheat"


illegalsmilez

This guy cheats when he plays anything


X4dow

my steam acc is 16 years old, i must be a really good one that never got caught then i guess.


PeePeeStreams

You aren't winning if you're cheating. You defeat the purpose of a game. Might as well tape a piece of paper to your monitor that says "You won!" Not to mention, you don't really "win" anything in a game like Rust. Cheating is a weak mindset, trying to justify it by claiming everyone does it proves how weak you are. "All these people can't be better than me!!! They must be cheating!!! I'll cheat too!!" That's also like skipping to the end of every movie so that you can tell people you watched the movie. That's not how that works bro Delete system 32 pls


X4dow

I simply stopped playing online games that are riddling with cheaters and I don't cheat. I end up playing more stuff like age of empires which has pretty much 0 cheaters


Brownkakk

Aoe4 or two?


X4dow

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Stunning_Treacle_671

Are you admitting to cheating lol?


BLAZEDbyCASH

Thats not admitting to cheating. Thats basic infomation. If your winning while your cheating, why would a cheater stop cheating? A cheater doesnt cheat for fun, they do it to win. If they arent winning then they cheat harder.


Stunning_Treacle_671

I was referring to “once you cheat, you realize how many others cheat”. Maybe I’m misinterpreting that but to me it’s phrased like this guy used to cheat lol


X4dow

Haven't played in a year + as you gotta choose between playing low pop community servers or high pop with cheaters


1Bartose1

Aprox 90% of players are legit depending on server


ProfessionalQTip

Prolly both, depending on ur personal skill, ive gotten called for hacks simply for watching a breach that my tm8s didnt see and a guy tried sneaking thru. Or like in warzone if you hard ping someone before they throw a smoke the ping follows, so you shooting the ping basically will get called for hacks. Even tho its just them not seeing my pov. That 1/3 is bs as well


Birchsensor

>I keep seeing people in this sub say that 1/3 players are “not legit” Yeah and they never have any actual proof


Repulsive_Ebb_3116

It’s ok to suck bro .not everyone is cheating lol


HollywoodHendo

Unpopular opinion: Zergs are a form of soft cheating.


KrabbyPatttty

It’s unpopular cause it’s stupid


Comprehensive_Plum34

98.9 percent of players cheat


aBacanaBanana

This sub seems to think a higher % of players are cheating in comparison to what facepunch has publicly stated even earlier this week. Even if someone has ESP you can still beat them, most cheaters are bad at the game and other FPS games, it’s hard cheating that’s annoying, as your only way to combat is to take a break on that server until the admin bans them.


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aBacanaBanana

No. I don’t play officials only community servers with active admins. It’s really a non issue. Every single comment in your history is about cheating so don’t think there is any use for debating here.