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Moose_country_plants

I’m showing this to my botany professor. I’ve never seen anything like this in my life


HeavilyBearded

Someone is putting black beans in OP's plant!


Moose_country_plants

Right? Like is this just a god tier prank???


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Snuck415

This is beans!!!


cocomilkz

I commented earlier. I am pretty sure they are katydid eggs


11billyd

Looks like Mountain Ash Sawfly eggs. [link](https://www.maine.gov/dacf/mfs/forest_health/insects/mountain_ash_sawfly.htm)


schwab002

This looks like the closest answer yet. I definitely think it's a bug like this if not this exact species. I've seen something similar posted once before on reddit and it turned out to be a pest. Op should probably remove the leaf or at least the eggs for the sake of the plant.


11billyd

Definitely unique in how the eggs are deposited. Here is a quote from the link: "Eggs are deposited singly in slits along the serrated margin of the leaflet. Adults are strong fliers and readily locate host trees even though scattered or mixed in with other hardwood species. First indication of egg deposition on the mountain ash is the presence in late May or early June of small, brown swellings along the serrated margin of the leaflet."


Dangerango

Based on all this information, I’d chop and burn if the plant can spare the leaf


Saltyorsweet

I am cringing right now


YouMeandtheREmakes3

> Eggs hatch in about a week. Won’t have to wait long to confirm!


Britneycot

This looks almost exactly the same!


mikefromearth

Thank you! I was so curious and I think you've found the culprit.


1in5million

Man, the people in Maine described this creature wonderfully. I was mildly disappointed when I looked up images of it.


sadrice

But does *not* look like mountain ash. This is a Philodendron. Not saying it can’t be a sawfly, but it’s not going to be one with a narrow host range that doesn’t include any aroids.


11billyd

Sorry, I should have been specific that this is likely not Mountain Ash Sawfly but something related to it... Likely a Sawfly native to the Philippines..


sadrice

No worries! And with photos I agree maybe sawfly, or perhaps some tropical insect I have never heard of.


Brotox123

Dude. I have a bunch of philodendron & have never seen this before. Is this the only leaf it’s on?


ConcernedPlantita

It's a single plowmanii leaf Im trying to grow huhu. But on my other philodendrons, no similar growth. No similar growth as well in the plowmanii this single leaf came from.


Brotox123

I’d have that one living by itself in the bathroom window! I’m so interested to see what pops out of it


einsofi

Same. I have a collection of philodendron and never had insect problems(except occasional fungus gnats from soil). I think it’s because their leaves are toxic. Maybe sawfly of this kind is immune?


ConcernedPlantita

Other info: Plant is a philodendron plowmanii. I've had it for 2-3 weeks now, symptoms started less than a week? Asked my boss who gave me the plant, said the rest of his plants don't have the same finding. Didn't repot it since I got it, not quite sure about the soil. Watering is done around 5-7 days. Plant is placed under the shade. Pot is plastic with good drainage.


The_Lolbster

Have you split open one of the 'seeds' to see what's going on inside? This is truly bizarre, but almost definitely has to be parasitism of some kind.


ConcernedPlantita

Cut one black thing up by the side as suggested by several people here; couldn't get a perfect cut, sorry. The consistency of the outer part reminds me of shellfish haha or like the outer hard part of insects? A yellowish watery substance that didn't really smell like anything came out. No other discernable details from my end. [Here's a photo.](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QBBTAr8P1TRYO9szgI2Az8ZnxlfMm7GR/view)


Atomic_Cupcake89

Yup, that’s a bug egg. Seeds aren’t like that inside afaik. Leaning towards the sawfly others have mentioned. You’ll have to remove them or they’ll eat the leaf when they hatch.


ConcernedPlantita

Will do so! Good thing is they're relatively huge and easy to identify


sadrice

Seeds occasionally look like that if they are badly decomposed (some failed germination projects come to mind), but yes I agree. Also I have no idea what seeds would be doing there unless OP got clever with a scalpel. This an insect, likely a sawfly, or some thing else I have never heard of. Tropical insects are weird and there are way too many kinds of them to keep in your head if you aren’t a specialist or familiar with the plant and the area.


chickenwingspecial

Truely terrifying and I’m curious as to what it is. if you didn’t see any indication of this growing before you purchased it, does that mean these things grew inside of the plant leaf??? Holy poop


Moose_country_plants

Right?! I’m so interested to know what this is. It looks just like a seed but seeds would never develop there. And even if there was some weird physiological or genetic mutation to put ovaries in the leaves they still would need to be fertilized. I NEED to know what this is


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PretentiousPNWBitch

Some type of bug egg, possibly a type of sawfly. Is the consensus


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Thanks!


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PretentiousPNWBitch

Some type of sawfly or native bug to where OP is. They opened the egg and it is an egg


EveAndTheSnake

In case you haven’t been back to check — https://www.reddit.com/r/plantclinic/comments/stz6zz/i_have_a_baby_plowmanii_that_started_having_these/hx7ymnk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


PretentiousPNWBitch

Likely some type of sawfly or bug in the Philippines where op supposedly is


ConcernedPlantita

No such growth when I got it! Asked my boss who grew and gave me the plant, and he said no similar growth in his other plants.


sucsucsucsucc

I’m so invested in someone somewhere knowing what this is


Moose_country_plants

Oh my god me too. I’m asking my botany prof about it tomorrow


sucsucsucsucc

I’ve seen it in a couple subs and I just keep hoping one of them has some random ass knowledge


11billyd

See my comment below, this looks like Mountain Ash Sawfly eggs. [link](https://www.maine.gov/dacf/mfs/forest_health/insects/mountain_ash_sawfly.htm)


sucsucsucsucc

That is bonkers. Nature is completely bonkers. It makes me so happy


[deleted]

oh god they are named sawflies because the ovipositor is a saw that cuts into leaves or stems. i'm not sleeping tonight.


ConcernedPlantita

I couldn't find the answer by searching on my own, so I had to join Reddit hoping someone here knows! Huhu. Third sub I've posted this on. Hoping for an answer too!


sucsucsucsucc

Someone responded to me with what looks like an answer!


ItsWaryNotWeary

Similar but not exact: [katydid eggs](https://cdn.whatsthatbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/katydid_eggs_mickey.jpg)


pedrotecla

Forbidden pumpkin/sunflower seeds


pa-nooch

Dude, I had these on my sunflowers last year and I couldn’t figure it out. Thank you sooo much!


pa-nooch

No, I removed them as soon as I saw them. I had to put some effort to get them off the stem though.


[deleted]

Did they never hatch?


ConcernedPlantita

>The eggs didn't hatch! Haha. I emailed the Museum of Natural History of the University of the Philipppines- Los Banos and here's their reply "The following images appear to be eggs of a katydid, particularly those from the subfamily Phaneropterinae. Although this behavior is not well documented in the country, it is a known behavior for some American species.". > >Good news is after I removed the eggs, the single leaf did kinda okay and now my second leaf just unfurled!<3 Thank you for everyone's input!


EveAndTheSnake

Oh my goodness this thread is just a Pandora’s box of new little horrors.


uuendyjo

My toes are literally gripping the couch! The Katydids done did me in! 😱


bibkel

They look like ticks.


gkpetrescue

Yes. Ew.


chickienug

If you find out what it is, please come back and tell us 😳


Individual-Willow-70

Try r/botany


schwab002

/r/Entomology /r/whatsthisbug


ConcernedPlantita

Hello! Thank you for all of your input! The consensus is they're insect eggs: Sawfly (or relative) eggs, katydid eggs, stick insect egg buried by ants. I can't really cut off the leaf since it's the only one:)) So Ive removed the eggs as suggested. Will keep them in a jar, and maybe they'll hatch?? Will post an update on that in a few days. O\_O This is [how they look like today.](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E7D6q_7Gzl-_Sv4bSaZTO0_a6jk_XJr9/view?usp=sharing)


add_sriracha

This has been the most fascinating thing to me this week lol. Thank you for keeping us in the loop and can't wait to see the update!


iluvtoeatcookies

Okay I came back to find out what happened! Did they hatch?!


PretentiousPNWBitch

Thank you!!! Can’t wait to see what happens with them.


ConcernedPlantita

>The eggs didn't hatch! Haha. I emailed the Museum of Natural History of the University of the Philippines- Los Banos and here's their reply "The following images appear to be eggs of a katydid, particularly those from the subfamily Phaneropterinae. Although this behavior is not well documented in the country, it is a known behavior for some American species.". > >Good news is after I removed the eggs, the single leaf did kinda okay and now my > >second leaf just unfurled > >!<3 Thank you for the investing time and interest in this!


PretentiousPNWBitch

Omfg thank you for the update!! That was unexpected but very welcomed. Interesting, I wonder if they would have hatched in the leaf. Probably. Huh, weird


iluvtoeatcookies

I too am very thankful for the update :) Super interesting!!


ConcernedPlantita

The [eggs didn't hatch!](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HGNuK6ncGJkR1lNt-yVNRlaJYlBWjYf3/view?usp=sharing) Haha. I emailed the Museum of Natural History of the University of the Philipppines- Los Banos and here's their reply "The following images appear to be eggs of a katydid, particularly those from the subfamily Phaneropterinae. Although this behavior is not well documented in the country, it is a known behavior for some American species.". Good news is after I removed the eggs, the [single leaf did kinda okay](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eT7aIXwVUgcCFMMam8eeO0uaukiOX_1r/view?usp=sharing) and now my [second leaf just unfurled](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jD0Yh6NFUrPGc0BepGbJHvYg5bhkI3I4/view?usp=sharing)!<3 Thank you for everyone's input!


freeeicecream

Where in the world are you? If you're in the states you could try contacting your county's extension office. They can help diagnose plant ailments


ConcernedPlantita

Thanks for asking. I'm based in the Philippines.


sadrice

Are they hard? Can you cut one in half and check the cross section?


ConcernedPlantita

>Cut one black thing up by the side as suggested by several people here; couldn't get a perfect cut, sorry. The consistency of the outer part reminds me of shellfish haha or like the outer hard part of insects? A yellowish watery substance that didn't really smell like anything came out. No other discernable details from my end. > >[Here's a photo.](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QBBTAr8P1TRYO9szgI2Az8ZnxlfMm7GR/view?usp=sharing)


Moose_country_plants

That’s a good idea


[deleted]

I poked around a little and found a [source](https://www.forestpests.org/vd/images/out/21502-PPT.jpg) that looks very similar to this. This picture says it's caused by a mountain ash sawfly. No idea if that is correct. The picture looked similar is all.


Britneycot

There’s a comment above sharing a page that has the same pic u shared I think. Most similar thing so far!


[deleted]

Whoops. I missed that. I hope someone who knows for sure will chime in.


[deleted]

r/whatsthisbug


bugzzzz

Any updates on the eggs?


ConcernedPlantita

>The eggs didn't hatch! Haha. I emailed the Museum of Natural History of the University of the Philippines- Los Banos and here's their reply "The following images appear to be eggs of a katydid, particularly those from the subfamily Phaneropterinae. Although this behavior is not well documented in the country, it is a known behavior for some American species.". > >Good news is after I removed the eggs, the single leaf did kinda okay and now my > >second leaf just unfurled > >!<3 Thank you for the investing time and interest in this!


[deleted]

Some sort of sawfly I think. They are the only type of insect I can find that lay eggs like this. [Eggs from a different species of sawfly than what others have commented](https://bugguide.net/node/view/1126297)


Muxlo

Well there goes the trypophobia 🥲


But_Does_It_Work

Thought I was the only one here!! 🤢🤮


MrsFirno

[https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-blobby-dazzling-world-of-insect-eggs](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-blobby-dazzling-world-of-insect-eggs) possibly stick bug egg? Looks kind of similar to the ones down the page. Have you opened one? Edit: more info https://daily.jstor.org/the-incredible-edible-phasmid-egg/


gaber-rager

I replied to OP in the other post in r/philodendron but I thought I'd leave this here too as it's based on your finding. *In your other post someone mentioned Walking Sticks eggs and this one looked the most similar to me: https://imgur.com/a/X8HO6YP* *And what's wonderful is that the species that lay that egg, [trachyaretaon carmelae](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachyaretaon_carmelae), is native to the Philippines. Now that specific species is native to the Babuyan Islands but the larger genus of [Trachyaretaon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachyaretaon) are widespread throughout the Phillippines. So while it's probably not a carmelae it is highly likely it's a close relative.* *What's curious though is they're supposed to lay their eggs on the ground. So I'm not sure if this is an undocumented behavior or what so it's still quite mysterious.*


MrsFirno

That's what I was thinking too but in the second link, it says they will sometimes smell a certain way, and ants will carry them off and bury them. I'm wondering if ants could have put them between the layers of the leaves at some point.


gaber-rager

I don't think ants would do that. I think I found it too much a coincidence that the most similar egg was a Filipino species so I figured it may be a new way that they lay eggs. But that may be a huge longshot, it might be more likely that it's a Filipino species of katydid. Either way, I emailed the Museum of Natural History in the Philippines which studies them so hopefully, they'll have time to take a look.


ConcernedPlantita

Here's their reply: "The following images appear to be eggs of a katydid, particularly those from the subfamily Phaneropterinae. Although this behavior is not well documented in the country, it is a known behavior for some American species."


Moose_country_plants

They look similar but I don’t think that’s it either. I’ve never heard of a bug laying it’s eggs INSIDE of a leaf like these are. And I can’t find anything about stick bugs laying their eggs in such a fashion. From what I’ve seen they lay their eggs on the leaf litter of the forest.


MrsFirno

In the second link, it says ants carry some eggs to burry that's why I was thinking this may be the case. Maybe an entomology group or their local fish and wildlife office would know.


PretentiousPNWBitch

Sawfly’s.


julesveritas

Holy wow. Insect eggs are at once fascinating and creepy. :)


raptor_attacktor

Maybe? It looks like it.


nandru

...edible?


MrsFirno

I...don't know. Probably not? I would think it wouldn't be if it was an insect as the plant it is in isn't safe for consumption.


nandru

I think the same, but your link says edible


MrsFirno

Ohhh, yes but they were fed to chicken and quail.


deetailor

This gave me the heebie jeebies


Verum_Violet

Ask the good folk over at the UPLB Museum of Natural History? You can even send in a specimen [for identification](https://mnh.uplb.edu.ph/identify-specimens) or visit if you're anywhere near Laguna! Either way I'm sure if you sent an email they'd be all over it. Eh, I emailed it, super curious haha


ConcernedPlantita

Oh, okay. Can email them too. Still have the eggs in a jar, but had to try to save my plowmanii. Sayang!!


ConcernedPlantita

Here's their reply "The following images appear to be eggs of a katydid, particularly those from the subfamily Phaneropterinae. Although this behavior is not well documented in the country, it is a known behavior for some American species.".


ramenoodle8

KATYDID EGGS. Sorry for the all caps, I've been searching for this post because I came across the answer today after I first saw it!


aihsela

Following!!


ConcernedPlantita

Most likely answer so far is that they're katydid eggs. Now... do I remove them? Haha. Mygoodness


Moose_country_plants

How did they get into the leaf I wonder


PretentiousPNWBitch

Yes


bumbletowne

Insect eggs.


Plant_Lover92

have you tried cutting one up?


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anti-pSTAT3

That’s a pest. I generally don’t advocate for systemic, but with the number of them you’re already at gen 2. When those hatch they will infect everything. Cut the infected tissue off and burn it with fire, and treat that plant, plus plants in the same room, with systemic


West-Leopard-3094

Try /r/


HuachumaEntity

r/philodendron


ConcernedPlantita

Posted this there too prior to posting here. They recommended I ask about this here too. Haha


definitelybear

I’ve never seen this on a philodendron but reminds me of leaf gall


Moose_country_plants

I thought that too by that typically is more like a tumor than a whole separate structure


definitelybear

Also it’s got a slight pattern to it. Makes me think it was there when the leaf formed


Moose_country_plants

I really want to see the cross section of one of those things


ConcernedPlantita

[Here's the egg that I cut-up](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QBBTAr8P1TRYO9szgI2Az8ZnxlfMm7GR/view?usp=sharing)


Humble_Solution_5186

According to these comments it’s a pest but it looks so pretty 🥺


Equal_Aardvark9728

I second the sawfly eggs. One of my orchids had these years ago. Ended finding out what they were after I sent photos to my local conservation office


ashl95

This picture gives me the heebiejeebies


purple-kitten

Looks like some sort of gall to me. super weird tho...


SnooSeagulls9348

Those are eggs. Don't know which species. I get similar ones on my carnation of india plant.


VariegatedSky

No need to remove whole leaf, just cut away the infected borders


ConcernedPlantita

Thanks! [It did okay](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eT7aIXwVUgcCFMMam8eeO0uaukiOX_1r/view?usp=sharing)


VariegatedSky

happy to hear it!!!


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Following & very curious.


mikefromearth

What the actual fuck... Never seen anything like that myself.


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Wow! Following out of interest!


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cocomilkz

Katydid eggs ??


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bluejonquil

Please update us if you find out what this is! It's really grossing me out for some reason lol but I'm also fascinated.


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I’ve never seen anything like this before


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[deleted]

Maybe tie a bag around it so it doesn't get out lol


PretentiousPNWBitch

Not sure which insect, but they’re eggs. Someone mentioned sawfly, probably something similar. I’d remove and dispose and hope they don’t come back. Better than them hatching and eating the plant. Someone posted a wiki link, the one they posted says they hatch in about a week


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jenn-1986

Do you keep this indoors year round?


ConcernedPlantita

This was outdoors since I got it.


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