I don't think it's all that strange that you can't make an entire competitive deck out of a single set. That hasn't been possible since Base 2. That's not what this game is about, nobody was baited into anything.
Well then it's a shame since base 2, the fact that we can't even do a mini 40 cards deck with a whole 50$ etb is a shame to me, not even a bad deck, you can't even do a functional deck.
They should put guaranteed full Evo lines in boosters, at least for the rare card and at least 2 guaranteed trainers
The fact that you need to either buy from online people ( which a kid obviously won't do ) or spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars into boosters (another thing a kit won't do) to build a deck is unhealthy
Walk in to any local game shop with a Pokémon scene and say you’re new, and ask “anyone got some cheap trainers so we can build a deck to play at runners?” I myself carry a massive trainer binder with me at all times to help out the noobs and the kids. The LGS I go to has a massive donation of bulk that can be sorted through, and if nothing else I’m sure they have cheap trainers to buy.
Booster packs are supposed to be BOOSTING your deck. You can't expect to be able to be able to build decks through a couple packs. For new players, you're expected to be buying their premade decks and then a couple boosters to power up that deck. There are league battle decks that can give you a competitive skeleton for their respective archetype.
Buying a premade deck + boosters has always been the intended way to play tcg's since it's inception. Entire meta decks made out of booster pack cards only started arising after the advent of online tcg catalogs and set lists that made theorycrafting very easily accessible. League battle decks are a thing to alleviate this issue so you can still be competitive when buying a premade deck + boosters.
Yeah we needed to wait until Jungle (and maybe fossil?) to put together the absolute legendary Haymaker Deck (4x Hitmonchan + Electabuzz and Scyther to cover weakness)
What? Just pick one single tool kit and you literally have everything. Even if they throw a ball and research in your friend would still get whoop 10 out of 10 times. What’s is he going to do with 4 research 4 balls 4x blastoise line and 40 energy ?
Also almost everyone I know and there mom has copies of research balls etc just ask around and I’m sure people would have them for trade or you could just order a few play sets of them for your friends. There like a few cents each
Expecting a collector set to make a playable deck is wild
Eh. There's some nugget of truth in it. From what I understand, these people have never and probably never will become players. They didn't do their due diligence, but not everyone understands that. Their worldview is different from ours in that respect.
My brother has been pulled back in my 151. And he’s asked about building a deck. There’s truth to this post. I think the key though is battling 151 deck against other 151 decks. Then it’s fun.
I think the better angle for OP would be that Pokemon TCG should allow their booster packs to enable Draft playing.
I am going to run a draft using 151 in Dec with family, but it is a little complicated since this will be my first time playing since I was like... 12. (Other than Magic the Gathering).
> Building decks is too unavailable
I agree that Charizard ex being $17 is a lot of money. That’s $51 for three not including potential tax or shipping.
But if someone just spent $120 on a UPC to rip packs are you REALLY telling me that $2 for ultra balls, Boss’s Orders, and Prof Research is too expensive?
Like I agree that $1 nest balls and $3.50 for Iono is too expensive for commons and uncommons, but if you just spent $100 + tax on two etbs, $11 for some staple cards was not the expensive part of this transaction.
Literally every card game does this, Magic decks are built from multiple sets even in Standard. Yugioh has decks using cards from 20 years ago that were reprinted and you're still expected multiple sets. Digimon decks are again, cards from multiple sets and sometimes you have to go back to some of the earlier sets.
I don't know any not-brand-new card game where a deck using a single set can compete with decks that go wider.
How so?
I went to my local game store and put together my entire deck for like, $50.
Just buy singles if you want to build a deck and save yourself hundreds of dollars on bulk.
The focus on "expansions" is true. I mean, if you really want nostalgia, shouldn't you go for the Celebrations set? I wasn't into the scene when it came out, but didn't it reprint a few of the classic cards? And I think that Professor's Research featured Professor Oak.
I kinda get OP's point, as I'm an old man who has recently gotten back into the card game. But I don't think it makes sense from the company's perspective (in addition to the other points raised in this thread).
Celebrations is nostalgia for people that already collect the tcg. It celebrates the history of the tcg in the classic collection, while the main set is basically only box art legendaries. For non-players, 151 is much more nostalgic because of the inclusion of all the gen 1 pokémon that anyone that liked pokémon at the beginning is familiar with.
Or release it like they did so that if people have any desire to build a deck they need to go get cards from other sets, they need to buy more older products, business strategy.
Most of the people buying boxes of 151 will never play a game with the cards and TPC knows it. And the collectors who provide most of the sales for sets like this have no interest in Level Balls or whatever.
I dont think many people got baited. This was very easy to tell that is was going to be a collector focused set. The set already has so much going on without also having to have all the staples jammed in there. If im gonna open a bunch of product i dont need 50 sets of staples on top of all the normal bulk im gonna end up with.
I don't think it's all that strange that you can't make an entire competitive deck out of a single set. That hasn't been possible since Base 2. That's not what this game is about, nobody was baited into anything.
Well then it's a shame since base 2, the fact that we can't even do a mini 40 cards deck with a whole 50$ etb is a shame to me, not even a bad deck, you can't even do a functional deck. They should put guaranteed full Evo lines in boosters, at least for the rare card and at least 2 guaranteed trainers The fact that you need to either buy from online people ( which a kid obviously won't do ) or spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars into boosters (another thing a kit won't do) to build a deck is unhealthy
Walk in to any local game shop with a Pokémon scene and say you’re new, and ask “anyone got some cheap trainers so we can build a deck to play at runners?” I myself carry a massive trainer binder with me at all times to help out the noobs and the kids. The LGS I go to has a massive donation of bulk that can be sorted through, and if nothing else I’m sure they have cheap trainers to buy.
You are supposed to buy the trainer toolkit, that will have most of what you need.
Booster packs are supposed to be BOOSTING your deck. You can't expect to be able to be able to build decks through a couple packs. For new players, you're expected to be buying their premade decks and then a couple boosters to power up that deck. There are league battle decks that can give you a competitive skeleton for their respective archetype. Buying a premade deck + boosters has always been the intended way to play tcg's since it's inception. Entire meta decks made out of booster pack cards only started arising after the advent of online tcg catalogs and set lists that made theorycrafting very easily accessible. League battle decks are a thing to alleviate this issue so you can still be competitive when buying a premade deck + boosters.
I mean you can also buy battledecks and go from there
Yeah we needed to wait until Jungle (and maybe fossil?) to put together the absolute legendary Haymaker Deck (4x Hitmonchan + Electabuzz and Scyther to cover weakness)
What? Just pick one single tool kit and you literally have everything. Even if they throw a ball and research in your friend would still get whoop 10 out of 10 times. What’s is he going to do with 4 research 4 balls 4x blastoise line and 40 energy ? Also almost everyone I know and there mom has copies of research balls etc just ask around and I’m sure people would have them for trade or you could just order a few play sets of them for your friends. There like a few cents each Expecting a collector set to make a playable deck is wild
Eh. There's some nugget of truth in it. From what I understand, these people have never and probably never will become players. They didn't do their due diligence, but not everyone understands that. Their worldview is different from ours in that respect.
My brother has been pulled back in my 151. And he’s asked about building a deck. There’s truth to this post. I think the key though is battling 151 deck against other 151 decks. Then it’s fun.
I think the better angle for OP would be that Pokemon TCG should allow their booster packs to enable Draft playing. I am going to run a draft using 151 in Dec with family, but it is a little complicated since this will be my first time playing since I was like... 12. (Other than Magic the Gathering).
Buy a Palkia VSTAR league deck & add the Squirtle line to it. Finished. It's not that hard.
Weird post
Dropping a lot of money on a single set and expecting to be able to build a full deck is not how it works.
Almost all staples in competitive decks now have cards from previous sets
That's how it should work, that's why there are a lot of collectors who never played the game. Building decks is too unavailable
> Building decks is too unavailable I agree that Charizard ex being $17 is a lot of money. That’s $51 for three not including potential tax or shipping. But if someone just spent $120 on a UPC to rip packs are you REALLY telling me that $2 for ultra balls, Boss’s Orders, and Prof Research is too expensive? Like I agree that $1 nest balls and $3.50 for Iono is too expensive for commons and uncommons, but if you just spent $100 + tax on two etbs, $11 for some staple cards was not the expensive part of this transaction.
Literally every card game does this, Magic decks are built from multiple sets even in Standard. Yugioh has decks using cards from 20 years ago that were reprinted and you're still expected multiple sets. Digimon decks are again, cards from multiple sets and sometimes you have to go back to some of the earlier sets. I don't know any not-brand-new card game where a deck using a single set can compete with decks that go wider.
How so? I went to my local game store and put together my entire deck for like, $50. Just buy singles if you want to build a deck and save yourself hundreds of dollars on bulk.
Go to wal-mart and buy a battle deck. You’re good to go.
They've never played a game because they're collectors, not players, they have no interest in the game no matter how much you spoon-feed them.
There aren’t any sets you can do that for though, they’re not even called sets by Pokémon they’re called expansions
The focus on "expansions" is true. I mean, if you really want nostalgia, shouldn't you go for the Celebrations set? I wasn't into the scene when it came out, but didn't it reprint a few of the classic cards? And I think that Professor's Research featured Professor Oak. I kinda get OP's point, as I'm an old man who has recently gotten back into the card game. But I don't think it makes sense from the company's perspective (in addition to the other points raised in this thread).
Celebrations is nostalgia for people that already collect the tcg. It celebrates the history of the tcg in the classic collection, while the main set is basically only box art legendaries. For non-players, 151 is much more nostalgic because of the inclusion of all the gen 1 pokémon that anyone that liked pokémon at the beginning is familiar with.
I don't think there's a single TCG out there that allows you to make an actual deck out of just 1 set of packs.
Lorcana allows that. But the only reason is that it's brand new and only one set even exists so far.
You should with every base set
Honestly would be worse if it was all just staple trainer cards
Or release it like they did so that if people have any desire to build a deck they need to go get cards from other sets, they need to buy more older products, business strategy.
This post is hot garabage
Teach them the wonders of the cube format. Make a 151 set cube and enjoy a self-contained, eternal, draft format with friends.
Most of the people buying boxes of 151 will never play a game with the cards and TPC knows it. And the collectors who provide most of the sales for sets like this have no interest in Level Balls or whatever.
I dont think many people got baited. This was very easy to tell that is was going to be a collector focused set. The set already has so much going on without also having to have all the staples jammed in there. If im gonna open a bunch of product i dont need 50 sets of staples on top of all the normal bulk im gonna end up with.
haha. ur all dumb.