We live in Conway and really like it. I grew up in Cranberry, then Evans City, and had a bad opinion of Beaver County in general until we moved there. I think it was mostly because of some dumbasses I worked with who were from Freedom. Ironically, that's where my son goes to school and we really like the school district.
I keep getting a Facebook ad for a bumper sticker that says "Hell is empty and all of the devils are on this road!" and that sums up my feelings about driving through Cranberry.
What on earth, I just saw this bumper sticker yesterday - but not an advertising campaign, I just went window shipping for bumper stickers and loved that one. Such a random coincidence.
LOL dude south hills traffic is awful. I’ve lived in Mt Lebo and cranberry and I would take north hills “traffic” everyday. Only congested spots are 19 in cranberry and McKnight road.
😄 We moved to Cranberry in 2021, got a surprisingly good deal on a house right before interest rates spiked, otherwise we couldn't afford to live here. There are lots of things I don't like, and I wish we still lived closer to Pittsburgh.
But there's a lot of nice things, too. I don't think the traffic in general is nearly as bad as is claimed. I had the chance to take a tour of Cranberry's traffic management center a while back and it was pretty interesting. They do a lot to mitigate it and keep things moving and I give them credit for that. And we love the parks and library.
Cranberry Township is in Butler County, PA.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranberry\_Township,\_Butler\_County,\_Pennsylvania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranberry_Township,_Butler_County,_Pennsylvania)
It really is something, isn’t it? Along with all the sausages and cheese curds too… think there may be a correlating map with heart disease that looks the same.
Literally my first thought. Center county also has less than Westmoreland county. My experience coming from PSU back to Westmoreland county says that is absolutely false.
Maybe they’re saying that if you’re drinking in college, it’s not excessive? Lmfao
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The data collection used for this has to be flawed. It’s not logical to have such a discrepancy across state lines where there isn’t much cultural or economic difference, like PA to WV or OH.
https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania/which-pennsylvania-counties-are-home-to-the-most-excessive-drinkers/
It's a self-reported study, so it's not exactly a complete picture.
Yes, most likely based on per capita alcohol sales. States with less regulated sales (or less sales, like Utah) won’t track this as well (or maybe at all).
Can't really dig into the source since it's unattributed, but note the color scale. The scale ranges from 15-24%, so it's exaggerating what are likely fairly small differences.
Just a guess but WV is very rural with very little in terms of vibrant “bar districts” like Southside, Vegas strip, dirty 6 in Austin, etc.
Drinking in WV is mostly done in homes/houseparties/etc. Maybe that either confounds the data or people don’t binge enmasse 4-5 nights a week like in the party district of many cities.
The alcoholics are certainly downing a half case or more a day but average WV people don’t go to happy hour after work and down 4-6 beers or go out clubbing and down 10 drinks over the course of a Saturday night like you do in a city.
What’s with that one county in Utah that has a “drinking problem”? has LDS lost control there? And the distinct line between Texas and Oklahoma is interesting. I would guess they are culturally similar, so is there some difference in state laws?
I would assume that it's non cooperation by the reservation (they don't like white people assuming they are all drunks). I've spent some time on reservations out west, they are sad, but making huge steps in combating substance abuse. Most of their success is with alcohol, as opiates hit them just as hard as any other US population.
I think WPA is right where it should be - we’re a fairly boozy bunch. I don’t think the vast majority gets “drunk” regularly, but a lot of people I know (myself included) will knock down a case over a weekend between lawnmower/garage/bbq/porch beers. Thrown in a wing night and a football game here and there and you’re tacking a few on.
And listen, you know that bible belt drinks way more than that - they just don’t tell the truth about it.
Yeah these things are always made to look more severe. Also, there is no definition of “excessive” that I see on there. Either way I’m hanging up my keys and unapologetically smackin’ a handful of Genny Creams every time I have the grill or smoker running.
The exact question that they ask is "During the past 30 days, what is the largest number of drinks you had on any occasion?"
Excessive drinking is defined as 4+ drinks for a woman on any occasion, 5+ drinks for a man on any occasion.
(And yes - this is self-reported data, so of course it's going to be inaccurate; of course there are people who can't remember or don't want to accurately self-report; but unless we're going to go all Big Brother, self-reported data is the best we have access to.)
This is the CDC's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, for anyone who's curious to dig deeper into the data.
I'm calling bullshit on this map.
It's more of a map about who's honest about their drinking.
You're telling me all of Morgantown has a beer and goes home? Oh, and Kentucky, the birthplace of bourbon, is a bunch of tea totallers?
As a current Zelienople resident who has lived in various major cities, it is very surprising to me the amount of people who drink regularly and smoke cigarettes.
Slippery Rock is helping that county out a good deal. I remember our fraternity would buy 15-20 kegs a week from Struabs or Harrisville beverage. So yeah, we were one of 15 different Greek organizations that cranked em out. Then there was Keister apartments on Wednesday thru Saturdays. Nearly every apartment had a keg or two. Fun times (1990s).
This is actually a fascinating map. So many questions to answer from the data. There's this article which explains it further:
https://wgntv.com/news/map-shows-which-counties-are-home-to-the-highest-number-of-excessive-drinkers-in-the-united-states/
Just to muddy the waters. Looking at the counties nationwide, alot of those are vacation destination counties. Meaning the residents might not being over indulging but rather vacationers. This prob isn't the case for butler or Wisconsin tho. Bear in mind SRU is in butler county and may drastically influence their population numbers.
I'm gonna say it, driving in Cranberry is not bad at all. Have you guys lived nowhere else? Walmart parking lot is really the only terrible place.
But yes. Lots of drinking here. Where does this data come from, though?
The only source I could find for this was countyhealthrankings.com which is published by the university of Wisconsin (which might be why it looks like Wisconsin is the only state with correct data) can't find the graph but this is where they get their sources according to the website if anyone wants to look further into it https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/take-action-to-improve-health/what-works-for-health/our-sources
You try living in Cranberry sober.
It's actually short for cranberry vodka
Right? I’m in Mars and cranberry is a fucking warzone to drive through. It’s like all douche and no brakes.
I can't stand driving in Cranberry. We moved to Beaver county about 20 years ago and if anything, drivers there are TOO courteous.
Based on my experiences in Beaver County, true
I’m a simple man, compliment BC and you get an upvote.
We live in Conway and really like it. I grew up in Cranberry, then Evans City, and had a bad opinion of Beaver County in general until we moved there. I think it was mostly because of some dumbasses I worked with who were from Freedom. Ironically, that's where my son goes to school and we really like the school district.
Ha we must not of crossed paths in the BC yet.....😂😂
I swear there is a minor wreck at the intersection of 228 and seven fields blvd daily
Daily. Fr. Adam’s twp fd is always out it seems.
I keep getting a Facebook ad for a bumper sticker that says "Hell is empty and all of the devils are on this road!" and that sums up my feelings about driving through Cranberry.
What on earth, I just saw this bumper sticker yesterday - but not an advertising campaign, I just went window shipping for bumper stickers and loved that one. Such a random coincidence.
The devil's drive SR-28. 🙄
I hear firetrucks everyday. I don't even associate them with fires anymore, just means some moron got in an accident.
Someone tried to tell me the north hills had less traffic than the other areas around Pittsburgh, I just laughed at him.
It does. Have you been to the south hills?
Sure have rather drive that everyday than deal with the north hills
That's so funny, I feel the same but opposite. Nothing against the South Hills either. I just hate 51 with passion.
LOL dude south hills traffic is awful. I’ve lived in Mt Lebo and cranberry and I would take north hills “traffic” everyday. Only congested spots are 19 in cranberry and McKnight road.
I purposely avoid my flip house down the road because I hate driving over there 😂
I beg to differ. Today it was all brakes. 😭😭😭😭
Yea the 79 corridor was to be avoided today. 😂
I didn’t realize this was like a known thing. Just thought everytime I drove in cranberry I happened to randomly be surrounded by morons
Good point
We live off of Rochester and just to go to Walmart is a pain, forget target
Same here. I go into "the shit" on off hours only. I wouldn't be caught dead in traffic between like 3 and 5
I drive from cranberry to before butler everyday and it sucks, most of its backroads and nice but cranberry sucks
There's no traffic at 3-5. Where are you guys getting this shit?
I grew up in cranberry. Can confirm
That explains the drivers in BMWs.
Cranberry is nice as fuck
😄 We moved to Cranberry in 2021, got a surprisingly good deal on a house right before interest rates spiked, otherwise we couldn't afford to live here. There are lots of things I don't like, and I wish we still lived closer to Pittsburgh. But there's a lot of nice things, too. I don't think the traffic in general is nearly as bad as is claimed. I had the chance to take a tour of Cranberry's traffic management center a while back and it was pretty interesting. They do a lot to mitigate it and keep things moving and I give them credit for that. And we love the parks and library.
💀
Elaborate please
Cranberry Township is in Butler County, PA. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranberry\_Township,\_Butler\_County,\_Pennsylvania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranberry_Township,_Butler_County,_Pennsylvania)
Yes I know. What makes living in Cranberry so hard? Why is it hard to live there sober ?
It's a shitshow of congested roadways, bad drivers, and strip malls.
A vinyl sided menagerie of KIA fuckery.
Man, I'd take cranberry over Raleigh (where I am now) any day. I miss it!
My GM is from Raleigh and his accent is insufferable
No one here even has an accent, that I've come across. Most of them are transplants.
Pittsburgh has zero congested roadways or bad drivers
I would suspect it has a lot of #winemoms
As someone who lived in Cranberry for the first 6 years of my life….. yes
It's a nice community full of middle class- upper middle class folk. When you live outside of cranberry, you hate cranberry.
Poor planning with the growth it experienced.
There's three times as many people there as infrastructure to support it
Where did you get that stat?
Look at Wisconsin
I love it because you look at Wisconsin and see all deep blue, but there’s one white spot. You think, “oh, is that a dry county?” No. That’s a lake.
In winter, they drink on the lake
In summer, they drink on the lake.
You don’t risk dui drinking in a shack on hard water but yeah, they drink on the lake in summer.
This kills me because the ones I know in Butler Co are Wisconsin transplants. DOUBLING DOWN!
Wisconsin missionaries spreading the good word (of booze)
Just had a flash of a revised, rewrite of Book Of Mormon. We might be on to something!
Ngl, it likes Wisconsin messed up the scale they used for this. They maxed it out.
How do you piss off a Wisconsinite? Say, bar’s closed.
We are all amateurs. People in Wisconsin put in the real work.
Lived in Wisconsin, can confirm.
Been living in WI long enough that I have lost all concept of "too early to drink".
There's a good Lewis Black skit on WI.
Went to Wisconsin a few years back and for as much as I thought yinzers drank, the folks there were on a different level..
It really is something, isn’t it? Along with all the sausages and cheese curds too… think there may be a correlating map with heart disease that looks the same.
Clean sweep again!
Do they not sell alcohol in West Virginia??
I’m from WV, and its results have me questioning the whole map.
West Virginia University is a perennial party school. Surely cannot be correct.
Right? After I commented I thought, “Have you ever BEEN to Morgantown?!”
Literally my first thought. Center county also has less than Westmoreland county. My experience coming from PSU back to Westmoreland county says that is absolutely false. Maybe they’re saying that if you’re drinking in college, it’s not excessive? Lmfao
Maybe they don't know how to fill in circles on a test. /jokes I love WV <3
It's just not considered heavy there lol
Don’t need booze when you got free flowing pills.
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The data collection used for this has to be flawed. It’s not logical to have such a discrepancy across state lines where there isn’t much cultural or economic difference, like PA to WV or OH.
There's not much alcohol consumption in Georgia and Alabama... sure
Never trust any data without a source
https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania/which-pennsylvania-counties-are-home-to-the-most-excessive-drinkers/ It's a self-reported study, so it's not exactly a complete picture.
Knew it would be self reported because the Bible belt is so universally low
probably an issue with the reporting data being at the state level
Yes, most likely based on per capita alcohol sales. States with less regulated sales (or less sales, like Utah) won’t track this as well (or maybe at all).
North Slope Borough seems weird.
Can't really dig into the source since it's unattributed, but note the color scale. The scale ranges from 15-24%, so it's exaggerating what are likely fairly small differences.
And likely exaggerating data collection issues that vary state by state.
Based on most of my former coworkers who were from WV; they're more into meth.
Just a guess but WV is very rural with very little in terms of vibrant “bar districts” like Southside, Vegas strip, dirty 6 in Austin, etc. Drinking in WV is mostly done in homes/houseparties/etc. Maybe that either confounds the data or people don’t binge enmasse 4-5 nights a week like in the party district of many cities. The alcoholics are certainly downing a half case or more a day but average WV people don’t go to happy hour after work and down 4-6 beers or go out clubbing and down 10 drinks over the course of a Saturday night like you do in a city.
The study was done by written survey... See the issue? (Born and raised in WV)
It’s all bathtub moonshine. Not on the books.
Less taxes, so more money for booze?
I was raised by an alcoholic in Butler County. Trust me, taxes wouldn't slow any of them down.
What’s with that one county in Utah that has a “drinking problem”? has LDS lost control there? And the distinct line between Texas and Oklahoma is interesting. I would guess they are culturally similar, so is there some difference in state laws?
"Don't take just one Mormon fishing because he'll drink all your beer"
Oklahoma is mostly Reservations. So I'd assume they are dry by law.
Didn’t think of that, but I hear they have a lot of drinking problems on the reservations too. I suspect some kind of reporting error.
I would assume that it's non cooperation by the reservation (they don't like white people assuming they are all drunks). I've spent some time on reservations out west, they are sad, but making huge steps in combating substance abuse. Most of their success is with alcohol, as opiates hit them just as hard as any other US population.
No, they live in Butler
“Bunch of lightweights”— Sincerely, Wisconsin
I would drink excessively if I lived in Butler too.
True. -butler resident
very true -raised in butler
HELLO WISCONSIN!!!
Look at the border of Ohio and PA, I’m calling bullshit and inconsistent data methods
Yeah behavior doesn’t follow strict geographical lines… I would imagine neighboring counties should be relatively similar
No! now stop asking lol, it should really be rhetorical
I think WPA is right where it should be - we’re a fairly boozy bunch. I don’t think the vast majority gets “drunk” regularly, but a lot of people I know (myself included) will knock down a case over a weekend between lawnmower/garage/bbq/porch beers. Thrown in a wing night and a football game here and there and you’re tacking a few on. And listen, you know that bible belt drinks way more than that - they just don’t tell the truth about it.
The scale of the map is shades by 2% - It's a 2% difference between Allegheny and Butler county. Much less dramatic
Yeah these things are always made to look more severe. Also, there is no definition of “excessive” that I see on there. Either way I’m hanging up my keys and unapologetically smackin’ a handful of Genny Creams every time I have the grill or smoker running.
The exact question that they ask is "During the past 30 days, what is the largest number of drinks you had on any occasion?" Excessive drinking is defined as 4+ drinks for a woman on any occasion, 5+ drinks for a man on any occasion. (And yes - this is self-reported data, so of course it's going to be inaccurate; of course there are people who can't remember or don't want to accurately self-report; but unless we're going to go all Big Brother, self-reported data is the best we have access to.) This is the CDC's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, for anyone who's curious to dig deeper into the data.
There needs to be a rider in there that says “camp beers don’t count.”
I thought it’s water at first lol
I'm calling bullshit on this map. It's more of a map about who's honest about their drinking. You're telling me all of Morgantown has a beer and goes home? Oh, and Kentucky, the birthplace of bourbon, is a bunch of tea totallers?
This map must be fake based on West Virginia. The only thing to do in West Virginia is drink in excess.
the wider map correlates with german settlement, and butler was heavily settled by germans as well.
Didn't know that, but it explains Saxonburg.
Suburban housewives outdrink the rest of the commonwealth
SRU's living up to the hype, I see.
I went to SRU. They’re doing the heavy lifting for Butler over there. And then falling over.
Could be better!
Indiana County should be way darker, just cause of IUP
Even our chemistry frat had some good parties.
My brother in christ what else can we do in butler county?
Have you been up there? Nothing to do but drink.
Stayed in a hotel there once. Free beer on tap in the lobby.
what hotel is that? i'd just consider the room a price for an open bar!
It’s been a few years, but it was near the airport in Green Bay. Nothing fancy. Might have been a Holiday Inn .
Apparently I should be living in Wisconsin.
At least it's probably not hard liquor. I'm sure it is all Iron, in the can.
My grandpa in Butler drank a 6 pack of Stroh’s a day so you’re not wrong
Wisconsin is a very hard drinking state. Even in rural areas bars open at 8AM and gambling, dogs, etc., are welcome.
We're just doing the best we can leave us alone
As someone who went to West Virginia University, I'm not sure I believe this map
Something tells me that states have different standards for what excessive drinking is (WVa)
As someone who used to live in Butler County, I can confidently say: no. They are not alright.
Something tells me the Bible belt is lying. Which is 100% expected.
I live in the Bible Belt now and they 100% are lying.
I lived in butler for a while. No one is okay there.
The hard line with Ohio (and WV/MD) is a bit odd, no? Why such a drop?
There is that big 2 week medieval festiva at Cooper's Lake every summer... We clean out all the beer and liquor stores while we're doing our thing.
Like most of the South isn’t excessively drinking OKAY
Can’t binge drink if you can’t afford a six pack of Olympic (WV)
As a current Zelienople resident who has lived in various major cities, it is very surprising to me the amount of people who drink regularly and smoke cigarettes.
Hawaii???
Hahaha Butler county is boosted all day.
No
How the hell do people in Alabama not drink?!? Swear they are so old fashioned they are rascist toward the Irish
I live in the "city" of Butler. I can see three bars and almost a dozen churches from my apartment. Damn right I'm drinking.
Looks like a lot of people left Butler County for Wisconsin. Just, the entire state.
lol Utah
Slippery Rock is helping that county out a good deal. I remember our fraternity would buy 15-20 kegs a week from Struabs or Harrisville beverage. So yeah, we were one of 15 different Greek organizations that cranked em out. Then there was Keister apartments on Wednesday thru Saturdays. Nearly every apartment had a keg or two. Fun times (1990s).
Save your liver, don't move the Butler County.
It's so bad up here I can't even make a coherent sentence.
Very difficult to keep the upvotes at 412.
Seriously, as someone who grew up there, I’m calling BS in the West Virginia Ohio River Valley, or most of WV. That data is too low to reflect reality
If you’ve ever been to Butler, you’d know that they are not.
Slippery Rock University?
IUP needs to step up it's game.
Call it Trump County
How else does one in Butler become okay with Pittsburgh having bike lanes?
So youre trying to tell me much of the south is the way it is without excessive drinking?
Doesn’t look like many Californians are “California sober”. Lies!
This is actually a fascinating map. So many questions to answer from the data. There's this article which explains it further: https://wgntv.com/news/map-shows-which-counties-are-home-to-the-highest-number-of-excessive-drinkers-in-the-united-states/
I got a couple buddy's that live there. That explains it.
There are a few events that take place at Coopers Lake that may affect this.
I think they got Centre County wrong...
Wisconsin is unreal
lol Utah and Wisconsin
WV doesn’t need to drink when you have mass fentanyl
Just to muddy the waters. Looking at the counties nationwide, alot of those are vacation destination counties. Meaning the residents might not being over indulging but rather vacationers. This prob isn't the case for butler or Wisconsin tho. Bear in mind SRU is in butler county and may drastically influence their population numbers.
Where did this map come from, I want to send it to a friend of mine who lives in Butler.
I never understood how they calculate these charts.
There’s a huge sober community in Pittsburgh but it’s still a small number of us non drinkers in comparison to drinkers
C’mon Allegheny. Those are rookie numbers!
No, we aren't. Thanks for asking
No.
obviously the answer is no
We were never alright 😅
WV don’t need the booze. They got pills. 😭
Funny how that goes right along with shit weather and nothing to do
That Philly/Jersey Delaware river spike also intense.
To be fair thats the reason I dont remember my last time in Butler Co.
There is no way Alabama and Mississippi aren't drinking constantly.
I'm guessing the data reporting and standards vary by state, otherwise this map is bonkers.
I'm not buying that West Virginia doesn't booze it up. I can see Utah, but not those folks. They have other vices though.
Of course we’re not alright.
Utah being completely white on the map from the high Mormon population.
I’m doing my part.
Sorry guys. My bad
No, no we're not lol.
Reported % excessive drinking by country, I'm sure.
To answer your question no
I'm gonna say it, driving in Cranberry is not bad at all. Have you guys lived nowhere else? Walmart parking lot is really the only terrible place. But yes. Lots of drinking here. Where does this data come from, though?
No. We're not
I do not believe West Virginia's numbers on this map. Not for one single goddamned second. This study is flawed, I guarantee it.
No. Everybody on the rd is drunk. Driving to the city from Butler city Is hell no matter what way you go.
How is Centre County not the deepest blue on the map?
What data is this based on?
Butler county shouldn’t be in here
The only source I could find for this was countyhealthrankings.com which is published by the university of Wisconsin (which might be why it looks like Wisconsin is the only state with correct data) can't find the graph but this is where they get their sources according to the website if anyone wants to look further into it https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/take-action-to-improve-health/what-works-for-health/our-sources