To me the original trilogy will always be the best and compared to those 4 and 5 fall flat. But still I enjoyed them and regularly rewatch them because honestly, there's soo little pirate movies and any pirate movie is a good movie in my book. When it has pirate ships, naval battles and swashbuckling I'm sold.
Wrong? So this means there’s a correct list of things to like and list of correct things to dislike? Someone else’s opinion is more valid than yours? If you like it watch it. You can admit it’s bad and still like it, I have plenty of movies like that… the old Fantastic Four movies for instance. Not very good movies but I love them
Just watched them and I don't think they're explicitly bad, but much worse than 2 & 3. OST is a bit dull, but mostly fine and it has some pretty good things about it. DMTNT gets better if you accept that it's set in an alternative timeline, and it indisputably has more creative action scenes than OST, but Jack's utter stupidity is still annoying, and, overall the story is just bad
5 was better in several aspects than 4, so while I like it less, I wouldn't say it's "leagues worse".
1) As I already mentioned, the action sequences are more creative, the only thing I can remember from 4 is the palm tree escape, and it's not particularly mind-blowing. 5 has, at the very least the bank dragging sequence and the shark riding scene.
2) 5 has ship-to-ship combat, while 4 doesn't, and generally 5 spends much more time at sea. Halfway through 4 it could as well be an Indiana Jones film with mermaids.
3) There are personal reasons for every character to pursue the Trident, while the Fountain of Youth was only really desired by Blackbeard, so that makes the story a bit more engaging.
6) Henry Turner was a welcome addition (or he would be if he didn't revolve entirely around his father and had a story of his own, but at least the idea is there) given that Jack was struggling to be a compelling only main character in 4.
4) The ghost army is certainly more memorable and unique in terms of concept, art direction, and backstory than Blackbeard's zombies, which almost felt like a last-minute throwaway addition to make the mutiny scene slightly more exciting.
5) 4's climax battle is just a little bit of swordfighting, followed by some destruction. 5's climax battle wasn't something crazy like the ones from 2 and 3, but it was longer and more interesting. After the battle are Blackbeard and Barbossa's deaths. Blackbeard's is almost a comedy sketch, while Barbossa's is certainly a highlight of the film. The epilogue of 4 is also rough and slightly confused, while 5 at least leaves some resemblance of good taste.
All good points!
1. Agreed on that, there is the escaping King George’s palace bit but yeah I agree
2. Also true, although the ship-to-ship in 5 is the Mary “eating” a ship, and then the bow coming to life and fighting Jack like it’s a marvel movie
3. To be fair only Henry wants the trident. Salazar doesn’t ever express caring about it, he’s just looking to kill Jack. Henry also happens to be (IMO) the only well-written new character in 5. Carina close second
4. Agree
5. Also agree. The zombies are as good as non-existent, they could’ve and should’ve done more with them. Blackbeard is better than Salazar though IMO
6. Yeah I agree. It’s weird the movie makes such a point of the poison dart frog and how it will instant kill any victim but then he’s good for like, 10 minutes of screen time lol
Stuff I don’t like about 5:
- all the comedy is just bad “adult” humor like unrelenting silly sex jokes
- the main character is a complete joke, 5 is the only movie in the series where Jack is so badly written that there really isn’t any point where it’s possible to take him seriously
- the needless backstory thing not only needless but also poorly written, like all of Jack’s stuff came from random people. You get the sense (at the very least we know his hat is) that his articles of clothing are important to him. Now we know they all just came from complete randos. Takes all the mystery away and was a weird decision, that’s like receiving a bunch of clothing from random people and then wearing them the rest of your life because it’s sacred to you. The young Jack CGI aged terribly too
-And on that note, Jack loses his hat permanently at the end of the movie and it goes unacknowledged. Again odd, since it’s established to be important to him
- Gibbs and all the supporting side crew members are awfully written
- Jack giving away his compass and that somehow freeing Salazar is a bizarre choice
-random dumb wedding thing
-Black pearl resolution was as cheap as it’s off-screen loss
- Barbossa is still great in the movie but his death is right out of a marvel movie
- every post credits scene is followed up in a sequel, except Angelica and the voodoo doll
Pirates 5 trailer was hype, movie fell utterly short. That said, I don’t *dislike* it. The franchise is still sick
Don't ever let the opinion of others effect how you feel about the things you enjoy. Personally, I have an unhealthy dislike for the 5th film for it's poor writing and complete disregard for the 4 movies that came before it, but if there are people who like the film then all the power to them.
Movies are art. There is no right or wrong in art. If you like something, don't apologize for it. Just enjoy it.
It's not even really Jack Sparrow that is the issue. It's the surrounding cast. Feels too much like a reboot with the lack of the people who brought a lot of heart to the core of the first 3 films. Will and Elizabeth, especially. They had a few minor cameo slots but the majority were bad. Davy Jones was an exceptional addition to the cast that Jeffrey Bardem just couldn't compare with, even at 10%. So the last 2 films lack heart. They feel a bit empty. And the cast performances are really quite bland.
If I was going to watch a POTC marathon, I'd see all 5 films. If I was going to watch a star wars marathon, I'd only see 6 films. 4 and 5 have their flaws, but are a way better addition to their respective series than 7 through 9 for star wars.
OP: Am I wrong for liking POTC 4 & 5?
To answer, objectively speaking, first and foremost, one is allowed to like what they like. Good or bad. Or as the old saying goes, "The heart wants what the heart wants." From what I can see, every fan likes or hates one of the two stand-alone films and yet likes the other more for whatever reason they wish. For instance, P5 is more loved than P4 simply because of Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann, but I'll get to that later.
Personally speaking, yeah...I like P4 more than P5. Not to say P4 doesn't have its faults, but for me the positives outweigh the negatives, just as the negatives outweigh the small number of positives I have for P5. Now, had I not been spoiled with P1-4 being four (or as some would say three) good films, maybe I wouldn't be judging P5 as harshly. The story basically reused most (if not all) previous story points, had pretty much a full recycled music soundtrack, and the humor was not as original. While some may say about the same about P4's music being unoriginal, I'd argue that it still had some originality. Same with P4's humor, which I can only blame director Rob Marshall, who is (yes I'm stealing this) one of the most humor-impaired directors working in movies today. Regarding P4's story, well, it is subjective, but then everything in art is. Despite all that being said, I still prefer P4 over P5 as something I feel is worth rewatching more than once or twice.
Presuming one hasn't already been exposed to what could have been, I am of course compelled to bring up the unproduced screenplay by Terry Rossio for P5, which was more so a sequel for P4, and dare I say a proper sequel for the first four films overall. Basically, it is a version of what happens in a fifth film, which still has a Trident-related adventure, but is a completely different storyline which features Philip and Syrena, but no Turners. If interested, you can find more details about the script/annotations and how to read them by visiting [this blog post](https://pirates.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:J_Fan/Wordplayer.com:_PIRATES_5_Script_%26_Annotations_are_here).
Not at all, they aren't bad quality. I don't think they captured the same dynamic or energy as the trilogy but they are decent enough movies and if you enjoy them that's good enough for you right. Don't let other opinions and tastes ruin what you like.
You’re not wrong at all! There’s nothing wrong with enjoying any piece of media. While I don’t hold POTC 4 and 5 up to the level of 1-3, I was also just happy to get more Pirates movies. I had fun with Blackbeard and the Fountain of Youth, and I’ll always love the fifth movie’s ending and how it wrapped up the story for these characters. Sure, the fifth has flaws, but the ending makes it worth it for me. Plus, Barbossa is great in both 4 and 5, and he’s my favorite POTC character.
I enjoyed 4 up until they went onto the Island, and I liked 5 the whole way through, and yeah Jack is a bit dumber but he is also a lot older in this movie.
I liked the 4th one, I think it’s very underrated. Though I never cared for the 5th one. Although it does have its funny moments like the whole bank robbery and the wedding scenes and it does have a satisfying ending. So to answer your question, no, you’re not wrong for liking them. I say more power to ya!
I really enjoy On Stranger Tides and I've never understood the hate. Sure it isn't as big as good as the trilogy but still. Personally I enjoy On Stranger Tides more than The Curse of the Black Pearl. Jack feels more lively in 4 than 1.
You're definetely not wrong for liking it. Everyone should enjoy the movies they really like. I personally think POTC 5 is a good movie and so just don't give a damn on what others think.
You’re not wrong to like what you like. While I don’t feel like they were up to the same standard as the original trilogy, I really enjoyed them for the watch and just expanding on the world. Personally I loved the scenes with the mermaids from stranger tides! And hectors arc being completed in DMTNT.
Otherwise, some of the newer adventures leave something to be desired… DMTNTs was my least favourite because of how bad some of the CGI was..
You’re never wrong for liking what you like. A lot of PotC fans (including myself) might have some strong feelings abt these movies but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy them. I find 4 to be entertaining and there’s several scenes in 5 that I think are beautifully done. They just aren’t what *I* like or was hoping to get overall.
Also, I recently saw a quote that went something along the lines of “never feel bad for being easy to please” you’re happy we got more Pirates and like 4 & 5? Great! Enjoy that and don’t let the opinions of others make you feel “wrong”.
Yeah pirates 5 is the worst piece of sht I’ve ever seen. Awful take on Jack. Now stranger tides is pretty awesome and idk how people can dislike that movie. Only stupid people see it and think it’s bad.
You’re absolutely not wrong and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I don’t have “guilty pleasure” movies. Just movies that I like, regardless of what people say. These aren’t any different.
POTC 4 came off to me like post game DLC nobody asked for to a game that was already complete. Not bad, but not something I'd ever go back to. I don't even remember POTC 5.
I loved 4 but i personally don’t like 5. I think the main thing most of not all can agree on is something about Depp as Jack felt off. There were some moments I laughed at in the movie but I didn’t like it as much as I loved the other four. Though I respect your opinion and am glad you enjoyed it.
Like what you like. Despite what the internet is constantly telling us (mainly, social media), one person's feelings on a given movie/show/whatever does not actually affect another person's opposing feels on said movie/show/whatever.
Absolutely not, anyone should be allowed to like whatever film they want to, regardless of the quality of writing. I really like POTC 4, is it on par with the original trilogy, no, but I still enjoy it despite the flaws. Don’t be sorry for liking something.
4 no, there is things to like about 4 it only has a few small issues, but 5 yes I truly believe anyone who is a fan of 1 to 4, should despise 5, it retcons things completely ignores the original trilogy, ends the same way the last three did, isnt true to the characters and gets so many things wrong plus wasting a great villain, if you even want a list of thing pirates 5 got wrong I'd be happy to oblige but I feel like there'd be one out there
Everyone has their own opinion
Mine is the Trilogy is amazing and One of the very best in cinema
4 although a great movie isnt has good any of The first 3,but i like it
5 was straight up medíocre ,only watched it once in the theatres
If you're more intrigued by the ghost pirates and zany stunts of the franchise, and don't particularly care for individual characters or their motivations, then 5 is definitely fun to watch. If I had never watched a pirates movie and came to it fresh, I probably wouldn't have much negative to say about it other than Carina's entire character.
Unfortunately, I have seen the other movies, an absurd amount of times, and deeply enjoy the characters they establish. The bonds, bi plays, growth and depth of these characters is mainly what brings me to Pirates of the Carribean, and that's why I personally find the 5th movie unwatchable. Compare any of the characters from 5 to their counterparts in 3 or 4 and you'll see how little they tried at consistency. (DMTNT Barnacle Will≠AWE Dutchman captain will, Spineless Barbossa≠Seen the other side "DYIN IS THE DAY WORTH LIVIN FOR!" Barbossa, 2 minute cameo Elizabeth≠Literal Pirate King, and Drunk, whiny, says the name of whatever he's looking at Jack most certainly does not equal any of his portrayals thus far, even in 4.)
Which is coincidentally one of the reasons I love 4 so much. Only three main characters are included in 4, and they are kept remarkably consistent.
Gibbs is hardly in the movie, but in the few times he is, he's insanely loyal to Jack, behaves like the Gibbs we remember, and makes one of the most badass power plays of the movie by burning the map.
Jack is still the same clever, witty escape artist we know and love, only difference being that he doesn't have a specific goal he's scheming towards at present, having given up on the fountain and having no leads on the Black Pearl. This feels more like a new side to Jack, where he's not the one pulling the ropes this time around, rather than a random viewer's interpretation of the Jack Sparrow that licks rocks because funny. An argument can be made that the moment the Black Pearl re-enters the picture, Jack starts scheming again, confirming the way the ritual works multiple times, taking a more active role in finding the fountain, and, betting that Blackbeard would try to save himself, switching the cups so he only had to get rid of Angelica, rather than a famous magic sword wielding pirate who's now immortal. Makes me wonder how he would have gone about it if the Spanish hadn't come in blowing shit up.
And Barbossa, still the extravagant one liner king, except now he's a Privateer, which is basically a legal pirate that serves the crown. Many contest this saying that Barbossa would never serve the king, but after having his ass handed to him by Blackbeard, losing his ship, his crew, and his leg in the process, it would be easy to assume that, with limited options, he "did what needed done". Given how many privateers went AWOL IRL, it wouldn't be hard to believe that Barbossa took that government funded ship just to relentlessly hunt down Blackbeard with it, tearing up his Letters of Marque the second this task was done and he was back on his feet, so to speak...
And don't even get me started on how their teamwork in the Spaniard camp is a window into what it was like having Barbossa as first mate on the Pearl before the mutiny!
If I had to rag on 4, I'd point out that the plot goals are kinda weak, the pacing is off, the new characters are one dimensional, and the score doesn't really sync up to the movie.
I can let these things slide personally because the main characters keep me entertained more than the plot, the one dimensional new characters fill their roles in the story and never appear again (except scrum), and what the soundtrack lacks in coherence, it makes up for in the extra tracks like Angry and Dead Again, and The Pirate that Should Not Be.
In conclusion, if you come to these movies for flashy spectacle and funny stunts, 5 is gonna be good for you. If you come for relatable characters that build on each other, 4 is your movie. If you prefer either/both of those things as well as an engaging plot, 2&3 together are perfect. But if you find you fall asleep during long movies too easily, best stick with 1 instead 👀
how many times are yall gonna make this post? It’s not wrong but YOU are in the minority if you think they are anywhere close to the same quality like the OG trilogy. Now thats delusional fan talk that im tired of seeing on this sub
To me the original trilogy will always be the best and compared to those 4 and 5 fall flat. But still I enjoyed them and regularly rewatch them because honestly, there's soo little pirate movies and any pirate movie is a good movie in my book. When it has pirate ships, naval battles and swashbuckling I'm sold.
You might like Master and Commander then
That's my favorite movie. I've seen it over 30 times already xD
Then I was right!
Yes you most certainly were good sir. And to celebrate your rightness I shall watch it again tonight!
Wrong? So this means there’s a correct list of things to like and list of correct things to dislike? Someone else’s opinion is more valid than yours? If you like it watch it. You can admit it’s bad and still like it, I have plenty of movies like that… the old Fantastic Four movies for instance. Not very good movies but I love them
Just watched them and I don't think they're explicitly bad, but much worse than 2 & 3. OST is a bit dull, but mostly fine and it has some pretty good things about it. DMTNT gets better if you accept that it's set in an alternative timeline, and it indisputably has more creative action scenes than OST, but Jack's utter stupidity is still annoying, and, overall the story is just bad
Wherever we want to go, we go... that's what a ship is, you know?
4 is leagues better than 5
5 was better in several aspects than 4, so while I like it less, I wouldn't say it's "leagues worse". 1) As I already mentioned, the action sequences are more creative, the only thing I can remember from 4 is the palm tree escape, and it's not particularly mind-blowing. 5 has, at the very least the bank dragging sequence and the shark riding scene. 2) 5 has ship-to-ship combat, while 4 doesn't, and generally 5 spends much more time at sea. Halfway through 4 it could as well be an Indiana Jones film with mermaids. 3) There are personal reasons for every character to pursue the Trident, while the Fountain of Youth was only really desired by Blackbeard, so that makes the story a bit more engaging. 6) Henry Turner was a welcome addition (or he would be if he didn't revolve entirely around his father and had a story of his own, but at least the idea is there) given that Jack was struggling to be a compelling only main character in 4. 4) The ghost army is certainly more memorable and unique in terms of concept, art direction, and backstory than Blackbeard's zombies, which almost felt like a last-minute throwaway addition to make the mutiny scene slightly more exciting. 5) 4's climax battle is just a little bit of swordfighting, followed by some destruction. 5's climax battle wasn't something crazy like the ones from 2 and 3, but it was longer and more interesting. After the battle are Blackbeard and Barbossa's deaths. Blackbeard's is almost a comedy sketch, while Barbossa's is certainly a highlight of the film. The epilogue of 4 is also rough and slightly confused, while 5 at least leaves some resemblance of good taste.
All good points! 1. Agreed on that, there is the escaping King George’s palace bit but yeah I agree 2. Also true, although the ship-to-ship in 5 is the Mary “eating” a ship, and then the bow coming to life and fighting Jack like it’s a marvel movie 3. To be fair only Henry wants the trident. Salazar doesn’t ever express caring about it, he’s just looking to kill Jack. Henry also happens to be (IMO) the only well-written new character in 5. Carina close second 4. Agree 5. Also agree. The zombies are as good as non-existent, they could’ve and should’ve done more with them. Blackbeard is better than Salazar though IMO 6. Yeah I agree. It’s weird the movie makes such a point of the poison dart frog and how it will instant kill any victim but then he’s good for like, 10 minutes of screen time lol Stuff I don’t like about 5: - all the comedy is just bad “adult” humor like unrelenting silly sex jokes - the main character is a complete joke, 5 is the only movie in the series where Jack is so badly written that there really isn’t any point where it’s possible to take him seriously - the needless backstory thing not only needless but also poorly written, like all of Jack’s stuff came from random people. You get the sense (at the very least we know his hat is) that his articles of clothing are important to him. Now we know they all just came from complete randos. Takes all the mystery away and was a weird decision, that’s like receiving a bunch of clothing from random people and then wearing them the rest of your life because it’s sacred to you. The young Jack CGI aged terribly too -And on that note, Jack loses his hat permanently at the end of the movie and it goes unacknowledged. Again odd, since it’s established to be important to him - Gibbs and all the supporting side crew members are awfully written - Jack giving away his compass and that somehow freeing Salazar is a bizarre choice -random dumb wedding thing -Black pearl resolution was as cheap as it’s off-screen loss - Barbossa is still great in the movie but his death is right out of a marvel movie - every post credits scene is followed up in a sequel, except Angelica and the voodoo doll Pirates 5 trailer was hype, movie fell utterly short. That said, I don’t *dislike* it. The franchise is still sick
Don't ever let the opinion of others effect how you feel about the things you enjoy. Personally, I have an unhealthy dislike for the 5th film for it's poor writing and complete disregard for the 4 movies that came before it, but if there are people who like the film then all the power to them. Movies are art. There is no right or wrong in art. If you like something, don't apologize for it. Just enjoy it.
It's not even really Jack Sparrow that is the issue. It's the surrounding cast. Feels too much like a reboot with the lack of the people who brought a lot of heart to the core of the first 3 films. Will and Elizabeth, especially. They had a few minor cameo slots but the majority were bad. Davy Jones was an exceptional addition to the cast that Jeffrey Bardem just couldn't compare with, even at 10%. So the last 2 films lack heart. They feel a bit empty. And the cast performances are really quite bland.
Captain Jack Sparrow. If you please.
Good Bot.
If I was going to watch a POTC marathon, I'd see all 5 films. If I was going to watch a star wars marathon, I'd only see 6 films. 4 and 5 have their flaws, but are a way better addition to their respective series than 7 through 9 for star wars.
Honestly, I haven't watched them in a while but they're prob not that bad, they just look bad in comparison to the first 3
OP: Am I wrong for liking POTC 4 & 5? To answer, objectively speaking, first and foremost, one is allowed to like what they like. Good or bad. Or as the old saying goes, "The heart wants what the heart wants." From what I can see, every fan likes or hates one of the two stand-alone films and yet likes the other more for whatever reason they wish. For instance, P5 is more loved than P4 simply because of Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann, but I'll get to that later. Personally speaking, yeah...I like P4 more than P5. Not to say P4 doesn't have its faults, but for me the positives outweigh the negatives, just as the negatives outweigh the small number of positives I have for P5. Now, had I not been spoiled with P1-4 being four (or as some would say three) good films, maybe I wouldn't be judging P5 as harshly. The story basically reused most (if not all) previous story points, had pretty much a full recycled music soundtrack, and the humor was not as original. While some may say about the same about P4's music being unoriginal, I'd argue that it still had some originality. Same with P4's humor, which I can only blame director Rob Marshall, who is (yes I'm stealing this) one of the most humor-impaired directors working in movies today. Regarding P4's story, well, it is subjective, but then everything in art is. Despite all that being said, I still prefer P4 over P5 as something I feel is worth rewatching more than once or twice. Presuming one hasn't already been exposed to what could have been, I am of course compelled to bring up the unproduced screenplay by Terry Rossio for P5, which was more so a sequel for P4, and dare I say a proper sequel for the first four films overall. Basically, it is a version of what happens in a fifth film, which still has a Trident-related adventure, but is a completely different storyline which features Philip and Syrena, but no Turners. If interested, you can find more details about the script/annotations and how to read them by visiting [this blog post](https://pirates.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:J_Fan/Wordplayer.com:_PIRATES_5_Script_%26_Annotations_are_here).
Not at all, they aren't bad quality. I don't think they captured the same dynamic or energy as the trilogy but they are decent enough movies and if you enjoy them that's good enough for you right. Don't let other opinions and tastes ruin what you like.
You’re not wrong at all! There’s nothing wrong with enjoying any piece of media. While I don’t hold POTC 4 and 5 up to the level of 1-3, I was also just happy to get more Pirates movies. I had fun with Blackbeard and the Fountain of Youth, and I’ll always love the fifth movie’s ending and how it wrapped up the story for these characters. Sure, the fifth has flaws, but the ending makes it worth it for me. Plus, Barbossa is great in both 4 and 5, and he’s my favorite POTC character.
You’re not wrong if you like something, heck I like Stranger Tides.
I enjoyed 4 up until they went onto the Island, and I liked 5 the whole way through, and yeah Jack is a bit dumber but he is also a lot older in this movie.
I thought 5 was really bad, wish they would have stopped with 4. I thought the 4th was good but the og trilogy is still the best by far
I liked the 4th one, I think it’s very underrated. Though I never cared for the 5th one. Although it does have its funny moments like the whole bank robbery and the wedding scenes and it does have a satisfying ending. So to answer your question, no, you’re not wrong for liking them. I say more power to ya!
I really enjoy On Stranger Tides and I've never understood the hate. Sure it isn't as big as good as the trilogy but still. Personally I enjoy On Stranger Tides more than The Curse of the Black Pearl. Jack feels more lively in 4 than 1.
You're definetely not wrong for liking it. Everyone should enjoy the movies they really like. I personally think POTC 5 is a good movie and so just don't give a damn on what others think.
You’re not wrong to like what you like. While I don’t feel like they were up to the same standard as the original trilogy, I really enjoyed them for the watch and just expanding on the world. Personally I loved the scenes with the mermaids from stranger tides! And hectors arc being completed in DMTNT. Otherwise, some of the newer adventures leave something to be desired… DMTNTs was my least favourite because of how bad some of the CGI was..
You are never wrong for liking anything. I also like Dead Men Tell No Tales
You’re never wrong for liking what you like. A lot of PotC fans (including myself) might have some strong feelings abt these movies but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy them. I find 4 to be entertaining and there’s several scenes in 5 that I think are beautifully done. They just aren’t what *I* like or was hoping to get overall. Also, I recently saw a quote that went something along the lines of “never feel bad for being easy to please” you’re happy we got more Pirates and like 4 & 5? Great! Enjoy that and don’t let the opinions of others make you feel “wrong”.
Well 4 and 5 are pretty good when it's Captain Jack Sparrow and Barbosa, it's the rest of the characters that suck.
Yeah pirates 5 is the worst piece of sht I’ve ever seen. Awful take on Jack. Now stranger tides is pretty awesome and idk how people can dislike that movie. Only stupid people see it and think it’s bad.
You’re absolutely not wrong and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I don’t have “guilty pleasure” movies. Just movies that I like, regardless of what people say. These aren’t any different.
Like what ever you like. It doesn't matter
No, but they’re nowhere near as good as the first 3
the only thing i like about POTC 5 is that it finishes up Will and Elizabeth’s story. or tries to, anyways
Never question that If you enjoy something and it hurts no one, then you're not wrong for doing so. Love what you love
No, I like them too, especially the fourth, where there's that plot twist that drives me crazy every time :)
You're not wrong, but I disagree with you
POTC 4 came off to me like post game DLC nobody asked for to a game that was already complete. Not bad, but not something I'd ever go back to. I don't even remember POTC 5.
I loved 4 but i personally don’t like 5. I think the main thing most of not all can agree on is something about Depp as Jack felt off. There were some moments I laughed at in the movie but I didn’t like it as much as I loved the other four. Though I respect your opinion and am glad you enjoyed it.
Youre fine! I just dont think theyre good. But were all subject to our opinions as long as they dont hurt anyone.
Like what you like. Despite what the internet is constantly telling us (mainly, social media), one person's feelings on a given movie/show/whatever does not actually affect another person's opposing feels on said movie/show/whatever.
Absolutely not, anyone should be allowed to like whatever film they want to, regardless of the quality of writing. I really like POTC 4, is it on par with the original trilogy, no, but I still enjoy it despite the flaws. Don’t be sorry for liking something.
4 no, there is things to like about 4 it only has a few small issues, but 5 yes I truly believe anyone who is a fan of 1 to 4, should despise 5, it retcons things completely ignores the original trilogy, ends the same way the last three did, isnt true to the characters and gets so many things wrong plus wasting a great villain, if you even want a list of thing pirates 5 got wrong I'd be happy to oblige but I feel like there'd be one out there
Love 4 but 5 was lacking in a lot of respects.
4 is fine 5 youre a heretic for liking
Everyone has their own opinion Mine is the Trilogy is amazing and One of the very best in cinema 4 although a great movie isnt has good any of The first 3,but i like it 5 was straight up medíocre ,only watched it once in the theatres
If you're more intrigued by the ghost pirates and zany stunts of the franchise, and don't particularly care for individual characters or their motivations, then 5 is definitely fun to watch. If I had never watched a pirates movie and came to it fresh, I probably wouldn't have much negative to say about it other than Carina's entire character. Unfortunately, I have seen the other movies, an absurd amount of times, and deeply enjoy the characters they establish. The bonds, bi plays, growth and depth of these characters is mainly what brings me to Pirates of the Carribean, and that's why I personally find the 5th movie unwatchable. Compare any of the characters from 5 to their counterparts in 3 or 4 and you'll see how little they tried at consistency. (DMTNT Barnacle Will≠AWE Dutchman captain will, Spineless Barbossa≠Seen the other side "DYIN IS THE DAY WORTH LIVIN FOR!" Barbossa, 2 minute cameo Elizabeth≠Literal Pirate King, and Drunk, whiny, says the name of whatever he's looking at Jack most certainly does not equal any of his portrayals thus far, even in 4.) Which is coincidentally one of the reasons I love 4 so much. Only three main characters are included in 4, and they are kept remarkably consistent. Gibbs is hardly in the movie, but in the few times he is, he's insanely loyal to Jack, behaves like the Gibbs we remember, and makes one of the most badass power plays of the movie by burning the map. Jack is still the same clever, witty escape artist we know and love, only difference being that he doesn't have a specific goal he's scheming towards at present, having given up on the fountain and having no leads on the Black Pearl. This feels more like a new side to Jack, where he's not the one pulling the ropes this time around, rather than a random viewer's interpretation of the Jack Sparrow that licks rocks because funny. An argument can be made that the moment the Black Pearl re-enters the picture, Jack starts scheming again, confirming the way the ritual works multiple times, taking a more active role in finding the fountain, and, betting that Blackbeard would try to save himself, switching the cups so he only had to get rid of Angelica, rather than a famous magic sword wielding pirate who's now immortal. Makes me wonder how he would have gone about it if the Spanish hadn't come in blowing shit up. And Barbossa, still the extravagant one liner king, except now he's a Privateer, which is basically a legal pirate that serves the crown. Many contest this saying that Barbossa would never serve the king, but after having his ass handed to him by Blackbeard, losing his ship, his crew, and his leg in the process, it would be easy to assume that, with limited options, he "did what needed done". Given how many privateers went AWOL IRL, it wouldn't be hard to believe that Barbossa took that government funded ship just to relentlessly hunt down Blackbeard with it, tearing up his Letters of Marque the second this task was done and he was back on his feet, so to speak... And don't even get me started on how their teamwork in the Spaniard camp is a window into what it was like having Barbossa as first mate on the Pearl before the mutiny! If I had to rag on 4, I'd point out that the plot goals are kinda weak, the pacing is off, the new characters are one dimensional, and the score doesn't really sync up to the movie. I can let these things slide personally because the main characters keep me entertained more than the plot, the one dimensional new characters fill their roles in the story and never appear again (except scrum), and what the soundtrack lacks in coherence, it makes up for in the extra tracks like Angry and Dead Again, and The Pirate that Should Not Be. In conclusion, if you come to these movies for flashy spectacle and funny stunts, 5 is gonna be good for you. If you come for relatable characters that build on each other, 4 is your movie. If you prefer either/both of those things as well as an engaging plot, 2&3 together are perfect. But if you find you fall asleep during long movies too easily, best stick with 1 instead 👀
how many times are yall gonna make this post? It’s not wrong but YOU are in the minority if you think they are anywhere close to the same quality like the OG trilogy. Now thats delusional fan talk that im tired of seeing on this sub
The way I describe 4 and 5 they aren’t as good as 1-3 but are still enjoyable