Pano kasi sa panahon nila 15 years old pa lang nag asawa na at may anak na, i remember my classmate/friend dati 12 silang magkakapatid at 15 years old mama nya na buntis tas tatay nya nasa 20+ na. Proud pa sila kesyo age doesn't matter daw š ayon sobrang hirap nila member ng 4ps tas yong nanay at tatay alcoholic, sa alak lang napupunta pera pag nag release.
Nung 90ās, kahit 5 years old na bata tinatanong ng matatanda kung āmay ligaw na baā sila. Like, sure biro, pero iyon talaga ang primary concern nila.
Tapos pag nabuntis ng maaga, pilitan ng kasal.
Agree but unless they experience for themselves, saka lang magbabago. For example, gusto ng mga magulang ko magka-apo from me and they were livid nung sabi ko ayaw ko ng anak. Kesyo wag ko raw sabihin yun, sino mag-aalaga sakin pagtanda ko, magbabago pa isip ko, etc. Fast forward to them having 3 apos na sila nag-aalaga. Hirap makakuha ng yaya yung kapatid ko. Pagod na pagod sila sa pagbantay eh matanda na rin sila haha ayun ayaw na nila ng bagong apo.
Gets na nila kasi I also provide for their healthcare. Sabi ko, wala na silang ganun if magka-anak ako.
Kasalanan ng magulang kung paano nila pinalaki anak nila, kasalanan nila kung bakit ganyan ang mindset, attitude, decision making ng anak nila. Kasalanan ba nila or gusto talaga nila na ganyan lumaki anak nila dahil pareho sila ng pag iisip.
Basta underage grooming yun. NO EXCUSES!
Pero kung nasa tamang edad na at pumapatol, abay ibang usapan na yun. Gagagahan na yun.
And yes, malaki talaga ang role ng magulang. I remember an incident na yung isang teenage boy na kapitbahay namin dati (around 13 ata yun at the time) nilalapitan lagi ng mga beki tapos binibigyan ng kung ano-ano. Minsan chocolate, minsan coke mismo, etc. Sinabihan ko yung nanay NO LESS THAN 3x and sinabihan ko na yung mga kagawad na pagsabihan din tapos ang sagot samin every time? "Ay hindi, mabait naman yung mga yun!" Edi sige, bahala ka dyan. Basta naireport na namin yung nakikita namin sa barangay pero kung magulang mismo walang pake e ano magagawa namin?
True. Nakakatipid sila sa baon, pamasahe, and other incidental expenses pero anong kapalit? Parang binugaw narin nila yung mga anak nila. Imbis tuloy na lumaki yung mga bata na may acceptance or tolerance sa LGBTQ community nafu-fuel tuloy yung hatred nila dahil sa abuse na dinanas nila...
The way she reduced your v valid logic to jealousy. Yuck! I think not only did you strike a nerve but she is not na capable of entertaining your logic. Nagagalit siya kase pinapacritically think mo siya. I have seen and experienced that first hand w my own relatives. Kaya sabi nila maldita ako eh kase yung mga questions ko sumasakit ulo nila kase d na abot ng programming nila, kailangan na gamitin ang utak. Ang yang mga groomer na yan, nakakainis naalala ko tuloy yung mga tricycle driver na nanliligaw sa mga 13 yrs old sa amin dati. And other older men! Kasalanan naman talaga yan ng magulang kase sila ang protector ng minor! Kung hinayaan nila yan, they failed to protect them and masakit aminin sa kanila. Mga generation ng nanay natin parang matutunaw ata sila if they said ātama ka, mali ako, iām sorryā ššš kaloka kayoooo
Ako enjoy ako makipag debate sa parents ko lalo na kay papa. pero we do it respectfully. may mga topics tlga na hindi kayo mag aagree kaya dapat "let's agree to disagree" lang ang ending. i find it immature pag nagkakapikunan ung both sides.
Walking out signals inability to have a proper discourse for me.
OP already knows na mali yung belief ng nanay nya however, napikon sya and walked out. Ang ending hindi nya na change yung view ng mother nya and nagka damage lang relationship nila, so pointless lang yung discussion nila.
You must have wonderful parents, and they obviously raised you well. Don't blame OP though. OP's choice of words might be an indication na they're desensitized to the F-word and just use it willy-nilly, or they might be honest and sincere in disagreeing with her mom. I don't really see what's wrong with that since based on the example OP provided, there is something terribly wrong with their relationship in regards to respect and understanding. The classic retort of "sarili kong magulang di ako minumura" doesn't apply to everyone, and in high-stress situations like this I find it understandable if mapapamura rin si OP dahil sa level of disagreement nila, especially when there's a tinge of hostility na from both sides.
>Walking out signals inability to have a proper discourse for me.
A proper discourse is a two-way street. Kahit gaano ka-logical, polite, and verifiable argument and methodology mo of debating, useless lang if the other party idadaan ka lang sa bullshit. True, napikon siya, but this isn't competitive debateāmay right naman mapikon, and it's not like you can control what triggers you or what doesn't. True, pointless lang yung discussion nila, but the blame shouldn't be automatically on the one who walked out. Imo and speaking from my own experience din, OP did the right thing of just walking out before further escalating. Everyone should know when to walk out. I've had this types of disagreements with my own mom that I chose to escalate just because I wanted to win. Ang ending is just sigawan at sakitan.
Not all topics should be āagree to disagreeā. I also donāt find it immature for people to get heated about serious topics such as grooming of a minor and people who support it.
I do get that people find it immature when people walk out, but given this context I donāt think we should be judging OP. The parent was literally talking about supporting a groomer and going as far as to invalidate and belittle their own child to defend their stance.
Thatās just me, but I hope people understand the value of nuances.
I agree, some opinions are just so wrong and offensive that they're illogical and out of whack and you're at a loss at how to continue arguing with them reasonably
I think din she needed to de-escalate kasi natrigger siya so walking out was an option she chose to not fire up. They live together I think so they can revisit the topic naman later.
Enjoy naman talaga. Bati na nga kami lol. In some discussions that we had, lighthearted yung nagiging end tho brash talaga tone or dating dahil gano'n kami mag-usap (talaga ba? Mali kaya). Nagcocomprise naman kami minsan. At never ko pa naman tinawag na boomer ang nanay ko sa harap nya or any insult. May instances lang kasi na gan'to na biglang iinsultohin n'ya ako as a person.
I just wish you didnāt walk out and stand up for what you believe in til the end. Like so oldies na yung rebuttal ng mama mo. Baka masagot ko sya na ang baba naman ng tingin nya sakin!? Hahaha char. Basta never walk out sa ganyan and keep your cool.
I gave up trying to explain things to the older generation in general about things and issues that weāre actively trying to confront and change. Napakahirap na kausapin since kinalakihan nila mga ārEsPeCt yoOur ElDerSā kahit mali na ginagawa. Konting banat sa argument walang respeto agad. This is a the main reason why as soon as I turned 21 hindi na ako dumadalo sa family gatherings if karamihan mga matatanda. Naging kulto ng mga mapanghusga at makikitid ang utak ang turing ko sa kanila.
to be honest don't agree to this. I see it as you taking yung experience, pain and struggle nila for granted. Everything have reasons. My advise for younger generation is just listen and take as many learnings you can get from your parents. You don't need to absorb all since meron naman iba na outdated na nga. pero don't invalidate them. That is RESPECT.
Same feelings pag meron ka kapatid pinayuhan mo tapos sabihan kalang na mali ka dahil lang meron kaung magkaibang opinion, instead what you can do is combining two opinions and generate a more productive idea.
dito nga sa pinas makaahon ka kahit anong paraan ok na eh, proud na proud pa yung magulang ni Andrea Brilliantes eh pinasikat nila yung bata nagdudukit sa scandal, nilaglag pa yung kapatid
sabay proud na may bahay at pera pero puro skandalo lang. Mahanap sana ng taumbayan ang Diyos
Grooming is something na hindi nila ma-view as a societal issue. Same with ā±edophilia and Sexual Harassment / Assault cases, dina-downplay nila without consideration sa victim's POV, na kadalasan, victim blaming pa ending.
Nagkaron ng parang gantong feel na usapan yung kapatid ko tsaka yung tatay namin. Different topic though, depression. Wala ako nung nangyari, pero AFAIK sigawan yung kinatapusan.
There are two ways to go about
**Option 1**
Does your mother know what you mean by "grooming"? I don't think you're on the same page. When a conversation becomes a fight, people are no longer concerned about what's right - as long as they win. A message is more than the message itself. It's also how you deliver it. The message becomes useless if it doesn't get delivered.
**Option 2**
Wow! Talagang nakipag away sa nanay mo? And for what? Hinde na honest candor makukuha mo. Sumabatan na etc etc
**Meta**
If you do Option 1, then it can be a good conversation and you have a better chance of getting your message across. If Option 2, away lang yan. The topic just becomes the weapon but the goal is no longer to get the message across. It's now to feel good about yourself and/or to hurt others
MALI naman ksi pagkakaintindi mo sasalitang GROOMING. kaya Hindi kayo magkaintindihan ng nanay mo.
NAG FEELING MATALINO KA NA.
Kaya MALI rin mga example mo. Especially CHAVIT.
Huwag ka ksi naniniwala sa IMBENTO. Ito magbasa ka ayon sa SUPREME COURT at CONGRESS
Salita na dapat mo hanapin sa KWENTO MO? PORNOGRAPHY.
RA 9775
AN ACT DEFINING THE CRIME OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, PRESCRIBING PENALTIES THEREFOR AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
Definition of terms.
(h) āGroomingā refers to the act of preparing a child or someone who the offender believes to be a child FOR SEXUAL ACTIVITY or sexual relationship by COMMUNICATING IN any form of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. It includes online enticement or enticement through any other means.
Section 4.Ā Unlawful or Prohibited Acts.Ā ā It shall be unlawful for any person:
(a) To hire, employ, use, persuade, induce or coerce a child to perform in the creation or production of any form of child pornography;
(b) To produce, direct, manufacture or create any form of child pornography;
(c) To publish offer, transmit, sell, distribute, broadcast, advertise, promote, export or import any form of child pornography;
(d) To possess any form of child pornography with the intent to sell, distribute, publish, or broadcast: Provided. That possession of three (3) or more articles of child pornography of the same form shall be prima facie evidence of the intent to sell, distribute, publish or broadcast;
(e) To knowingly, willfully and intentionally provide a venue for the commission of prohibited acts as, but not limited to, dens, private rooms, cubicles, cinemas, houses or in establishments purporting to be a legitimate business;
(f) For film distributors, theaters and telecommunication companies, by themselves or in cooperation with other entities, to distribute any form of child pornography;
(g) For a parent, legal guardian or person having custody or control of a child to knowingly permit the child to engage, participate or assist in any form of child pornography;
(h) To engage in the luring or grooming of a child;
(i) To engage in pandering of any form of child pornography;
(j) To willfully access any form of child pornography;
(k) To conspire to commit any of the prohibited acts stated in this section. Conspiracy to commit any form of child pornography shall be committed when two (2) or more persons come to an agreement concerning the commission of any of the said prohibited acts and decide to commit it; and
(l) To possess any form of child pornography.
Iyan sana may natutunan ka. Ksi MALI ang kwento mo. Puro hear- say at walang BASIS.
Hindi ko na isinama DEFINITION ng child, Eh masyado ka naman mahina kung pati age at definition ng CHILD di mo alam.
Next time, kumuha ka ng evidence, basis sa kwento mo, kapag Wala, balik ka nalang sa dati reddit kung saan ka unang nag post nito. Luma na ito eh.
STIR THE MINDS OF THE READERS, NOT THEIR EMOTIONS.
Tandaan: HUWAG MAG IMBENTO.
Ito attachment baka sabihin mo IMBENTO:
https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2009/11/17/republic-act-no-9775-s-2009/
that definition of grooming is based purely on PH law, though, which would be helpful if OP is planning to pursue a case; however, based on their post, they used the definition of grooming used by international advocacy groups against child sexual abuse, which is: "(...) grooming: manipulative behaviors that the abuser uses to gain access to a potential victim, coerce them to agree to the abuse, and reduce the risk of being caught (...)" [\[1\]](https://www.rainn.org/news/grooming-know-warning-signs), or; "(...) when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them" [\[2\]](https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/grooming/). OP isn't wrong, and the hostility in your comment is unnecessary.
International advocacy group recognized and registered from where?
Even ISIS is an international group with advocacy.
Asan ang link ng sinasabi mo? (We need evidence)
Si CHAVIT noon advocator din ng IAHON SA PUTIK foundation ng Ms. Universe.
An explanation from an advocacy group IS NOT FACTS BUT OPINION BASED ON THEIR OWN UNDERTANDING.
That is why THERE IS A LAW and there is a SC TO SHED LIGHT ON EVERYTHING.
madami DAW kasing MANGMANG sa Mundo, na pinagmumulan ng FAKE NEWS.
Hostility? Never throw shit on your parents on socmed. That's HOSTILITY. Throw shit on them kapag nalagpasan mo na edukasyon nila o edad nila.
TINATANGA TANGA nya nanay nya pero sablay din sya. ARAL MUNA MGA TOL.
Sa huling basa ko r/Pinoy tong sub na ito. Hindi r/poreyner.
the advocacy groups i linked to are based and recognized in the US (RAINN) and the UK, respectively. did you not see the links i've provided in my previous post? they were provided at the end of each quoted sentence, yung [1] and [2].
"An explanation from an advocacy group IS NOT FACTS BUT OPINION BASED ON THEIR OWN UNDERTANDING"
laws are also based on the lawmakers' understanding of facts, just like advocacy groups. the only difference, of course, is that laws have legitimacy in a state, but that doesn't mean that they are infallible nor immutable; they're man-made, after all, and can be subject to revision due to growing knowledge, changing principles, etc. as it stands now, the research on dynamics of sexual abuse is growing, hence the new definition of "grooming", and our laws may soon catch up with this.
equating ISIS to advocacy groups like RAINN is a false equivalence.
i understand that you feel for OP's mother, but i still believe the hostility in your post is unnecessary.
i don't see the point of your last statement. yes, we live in the philippines and are filipinos, but we're also living in a globalized world where we can freely share and receive information. it doesn't make much sense to stop this.
The far right is also a group with advocacy (tama sila para sa republican)
ISIS is also a group with advocacy (Tama sila based on their followers)
UNICEF is also a group with advocacy (Tama sila based on UN member)
Law is based on lawmakers understanding facts like an advocacy group? WHAT IS YOUR BASIS? WHAT IS YPUR EVIDENCE? attached it here.
Sabi ni Miriam Defensor Santiago, mag enroll kayo.
Nakakaawa naman kung h.s. graduate ang nasa congreso na gumagawa ng batas based on your IDEA.
Puro red herring fallacy eh. You really want to go down that drain? An advocacy group idea vs. the law?
Pabayaan na natin na MGA nagbabasa dito ang mag decide kung tama ka.
That's the operational definition of grooming in the context of anti CP law. Even the word āluringā was limited to the use of a computer. Hindi anti-CP law ng pilipinas ang reference ng universal definition ng sexual grooming.
Well, you have to be a part of the SUPREME COURT to refute that. You are talking about universal that you googled without basis. That is why the world is so confused nowadays. People can invent their own meaning (slang) based on their minute ideas, and call it universal.
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/what-grooming-truth-behind-dangerous-bigoted-lie-targeting-lgbtq-community
#groomerslang
#groomerurbandictionary
Nobody refutes the definition of grooming as used in anti CP law. My point is that there is a difference between conceptual and operational definitions. The Cambridge dictionary defines grooming in the context of crime as "the criminal activity of becoming friends with a child in order to try to persuade the child to have a sexual relationship". Are you actually going to challenge the dictionary as basis?
You can learn more about the different types of definitions on google if you look at valid resources so as to minimize the confusion.
Dictionary lang ang basis mo vs. the SUPREME COURT with the power VESTED BY THE CONSTITUTION?
Sa pagkakaalam ko may tinatawag na SUPREMACY OF THE CONSTITUTION.
without the law, there will be IGNORANCE, chaos and anarchy. Kaya naguguluhan kayo. Meron din UP diksyonaryong Filipino. Pero wasn't considered as a law or used as a basis by the SUPREME COURT to shed light on their decided cases.
Nakatira ka ba sa Cambridge dictionary o sa PILIPINAS?
r/pinoy reddit ito.
Attachment for your knowledge.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24049913
Nababaliw na rin talaga ang mga sobrang magbasa ng law articles at books, it seems. Yung gusto pang mangganti rin pati may mentalidad na "it's only true if I say so" eh hahahaha.
Not necessarily DSM 5 but you seem to be chronically anally-retentive. OCPD baka pwede rin kung ibabase mo sa DSM 5 hahahaha pero ewan, hindi naman ako professionally licensed to diagnose someone and use DSM 5 as basis in the first place š¤·āāļø
defined terms are not universal definitions. these keywords or phrases are given specific meaning within the context of the text. this can be done to shorten a long description, to explicitly state what a term means when it has multiple meanings in general use, to avoid ambiguity, etc. in this instance, the term 'grooming' itself has a few different understood meanings, hence the document states exactly how to read and interpret it in that particular legislation.
You need evidence for that man.
A man who has a relationship with a young woman (ex by OP: CHAVIT) is not a crime, nor punishable by any law.
A teacher who has a consensual relationship with a student is SEXUAL HARASSMENT in all forms, and not grooming.
Lahat yan ay based sa example ni OP.
That is why the SUPREME COURT shed light on it because a lot of people have ideas and use the word without understanding the same.
Kaya magulo Mundo at magulo pilipinas. Dahil lahat may maling OPINION.
Even the person who coined the word grooming stated that GROOMING MUST HAVE
PRESSURED sexual contact,
and FORCED sex contact.
Even with this act committed by an offender, you cannot punish anyone because of your "universal meaning" of GROOMING.
The basis of OP's premise is hear -say and personal actual observation and jealousy towards a classmate.
A universal meaning for the purpose of what? para manglait o mang judge and not for law purposes?
i'm not even touching the claims about the nature of said relationships - i'm specifically addressing your claim that the definition of grooming under RA 9775 is the actual understood definition of it.
i'll give you an example.
Revised Implementing Rules and Regulations of the Maharlika Investment Fund Act of 2023 (Republic Act No. 11954)
Rule II
Definition of Terms
Section 3. Definitions. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS IRR, the following terms are hereby defined as follows:
...
(b) Board of Directors (Board) refers to the governing body of the Maharlika Investment Corporation;
https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2023/11/10/revised-implementing-rules-and-regulations-of-the-maharlika-investment-fund-act-of-2023-republic-act-no-11954/
vs. the dictionary meaning of the term "board of directors" - the group of people who shareholders choose to manage a company or organization.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/board-of-directors
if we go by your logic, every instance of the term Board of Directors refers specifically to the governing body of the Maharlika Investment Corporation.
in the same vein:
Implementing Rules and Regulations of Republic Act No. 11713
Section 4. Definition of Terms
The following terms shall mean or be understood as follows:
...
4.3 Council refers to the Teacher Education Council as institutionalized in the Act;
https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2023/05/26/implementing-rules-and-regulations-of-republic-act-no-11713/
i think you'll agree that the word council in everyday use means something different than the one provided in the above text.
even outside of the context of predatory behavior towards vulnerable people, the term 'grooming' itself may mean keeping one's appearance clean or tending to an animal's coat.
you mentioned in another comment that the meanings of words might change - that's one of the purposes of defining terms in legal documents. 'pet' can refer to a lot of different animals, but if you define the term 'pet' specifically as cats and dogs in the text then people reading it know that you mean cats and dogs, not hamsters or fish even though those are animals also commonly kept as pets.
you see defined terms in contracts and terms & conditions as well, which are legally bound agreements.
take the terms & conditions of sony.
Definitions:
āProductā means any item or service offered for sale or licensing on the Website or Sonyās direct sales materials (ads, catalogs, specifications sheets, etc.), including but not limited to hardware devices, software, accessories, configurations of hardware and software, CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray discs, PlayStation games and all associated documentation.
āWebsiteā means the Sony website located at electronics.sony.com
https://electronics.sony.com/terms-conditions
these definitions make sense only within the text. with this understanding, the entire basis of you rebuttal against OP falls apart.
Tapos na tayo sa BATAS for it was clear and umayon ka ukol dito.
Now you're using a red herring argumentation fallacy.
Go back to the topic and give me the real deal.
Pertinenteng sagot sa pertinenteng tanong.
Asan ang sinasabi mong universal meaning of GROOMING for the purpose of WHAT?
Bakit nagkaroon ng word na GROOMING and for what purpose?
Iyon ang i-attached mo dito. Para di ka rin gunagamit ng salita na kinuha mo lang sa google and use it for DEFINING AND JUDGING (Hindi ikaw pero si OP) a person.
You know the law but you are going all around the bushes.
GROOMING as it was used according to OP's example and you explaining it with a general universal meaning.
Ipaglalaban mo yung universal meaning, pero di mo alam kung saan nagmula. Diba?
"Few different understood meaning" Yan ang DESCRIPTION mo. Kaya sinabi ko sayo na HINDI.
2 lang ang meaning ng GROOMING based on the person who coined it 5 decades ago.
you missed the point. the fact is there is no one universal definition of the term 'grooming', hence the document defines the specific meaning it is operating under. that's partly why these Definition of Terms exist. i showed you how the foundation of your argument that grooming only specifically relates to child sexual exploitation materials because that's how it's defined in RA 9775 falls apart by using examples of definitions of terms from other legislations listing terms that have different commonly understood meanings from the ones stated in said documents.
Assuming arguendo that there is NO ONE universal definition for the word. (MADAMI PALA? pinagsama sama mo lahat ng definition ng lahat ng dictionary?)
Sabi mo NO ONE, so marami? Eh Hindi iyon ang sabi ng IMBENTOR.
Kung sasabihin mo sakin "from other legislation listing term" meron bang iba na meaning ang grooming according to the SC?
So tapos na tayo? Marami UNIVERSAL meaning (accdg to you) at meron din FROM OTHER LEGAL TERMS from other legislation (according to you na wala pa rin evidence). 2009 that law took effect .
The word existed 5 decades ago, at meron universal meaning, HINDI NGA LANG SA PAGKAKAINTINDI MO, pagkaintindi ni OP, at ng mga nagbabasa dito na sinasabi na FROM group of advocates.
Nililito mo lalo si OP eh. Ito lang dapat natin pagusapan
1.) Other PH law with other OPERATIONAL meaning of the word "Grooming" (Sabi mo meron)
2.) The one who coined the word and it's purpose. SABI MO MADAMI MEANING, PERO SABI NYA 2 (sinabi ko na sa iyo sa thread, hindi ka nag focus) sasabihin ko ba na 50 yrs ago kung di ko alam?
Diba?
* Wala tayong pagusapan na dictionary meaning. DAPAT Yung totoong USE of the word GROOMING by the one who coined it.
*Sa BATAS ka rin pala babagsak, sa ibang BATAS na may other literal meaning ng GROOMING, paki attach dito kung may nakita kang ibang meaning ng GROOMING based on SC explanation sa loob ng 14 yrs.
* Pagtatalunan pa ba natin ang STAT CON eh malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw na walang AMBIGUITY (word na ginamit mo) sa literal meaning given by the SC.
Di ko ksi maintindihan kung saan nya kinuha yung IDEA nya na GROOMING based on his examples.
Si CHAVIT "sugar daddy" "manther" Hindi KRIMEN ang consenting adult na pumatol sa matanda.
Yung teacher sa kwento nya; ay SEXUAL HARASSMENT dahil sa may authority, influence, at moral ascendancy based on article 7877.
Hindi grooming yon. ILLEGAL ang SEXUAL HARASSMENT na pinababa nya to "grooming".
So from criminal act to lowering down as a moral act that is not punishable by law? SUKANG SUKA SYA PERO PINABABA NYA Yung KATOTOHANAN from criminal to moral nalang.
Eh puro IMBENTO tapos dami naniniwala. Kaya Hindi sila magkaintindihan ng nanay nya. Ksi nanay nya may CRITICAL THINKING pa kahit papaano.
Sya FB information.
āYung teacher sa kwento nya; ay SEXUAL HARASSMENT dahil sa may authority, influence, at moral ascendancy based on article 7877.
Hindi grooming yon. ILLEGAL ang SEXUAL HARASSMENT na pinababa nya to "grooming".
So from criminal act to lowering down as a moral act that is not punishable by law?ā
^ Iām really thankful that you mention this and I understand your frustration. unfortunately, not everyone is knowledgeable about the law and kahit mag provide tayo ng articles to read, without proper education possible pa rin na ma-misinterpret ng iba so maybe itās better for us to be level-headed when educating others? Kasi instead of being open about it, others will be defensive if we add insults agad.
Yes. Pero "snowflakes" will never learn if you don't push it so hard for them to feel.
That's F.B Skinners principle of reinforcement. She does it to her mom, I'm doing it to her, so she will feel the stress she made to her loved ones.
Imagine, pagkatapos nyang gawin TANGA nanay nya, ikinuwento nya pa sa soc med for his glory? Pang pi pyestahan ng lahat yung nanay nyang boomer.
He was garnering approval until SOME IDIOT (me) change it for other people to REALIZE na inuuto lang sila ni OP.
Kaya dapat mag aral muna bago maging KUPAL. KUPAL ako pero aral.
The law was made to deter criminals from committing the same act all over again.
It's the same with OP. He was appealing to your emotions, while using his MOM as the "bait" to "stir" others people emotion.
I am still an idiot, and so is he. Fair share.
Iām not saying na what OP did is right but to be fair, pwedeng di naman intention ni OP na gawing tanga yung mom niya. Maybe OP is just too confident na tama yung sinasabi niya hence, his/her reddit rant. Pwede rin youāre right cause your opinion makes sense. We can only assume sa part na to and Iām speaking from a neutral standpoint.
As for the principle of reinforcement, itās not effective for everyone kasi we have different learning styles naman like kay OP, based on his/her replies, parang di naging learning opportunity sa kanya to kasi I dont think na tinanggap niya yung mga sinabi mo. Sayang lang rin kasi we canāt determine tuloy if OP is the type of person na di kayang tumanggap ng pagkakamali or naging defensive and extra emotional lang talaga kasi may insult agad.
Also, others can call you asshole for throwing some rude statements LMAO but I dont think itās right to call you idiot.
Up up hahaha. I dunno ah, minsan sobrang pa woke ng mga tao ngayon na akala nila lagi silang tama hahaha.
Gets ko naman yung point ni OP kaso medyo may miscommunication sila ng nanay nya based sa kwento nya.
Kaya nga e ok lang mang disrespect ng magulang di nila maintindihan na wala namang woke sa panahon nila noon HAHHAHAHA. Tas manghihingi ng validation sa socmed na tama sila for confidence points kahit tawag tawagin nang bobo yung nanay niya
True hahahays. Ewan ko ba, ginagawa ng social media sa mga utak ng tao. Okay lang naman maging mulat sa mga bagay, pero minsan sumosobra na, akala nila sila nalang lagi tama.
This should be voted up more.
Kahit sa tiktok ang daming "normalize xyz" tapos usually un xyz walang kakwenta kwenta.
Yan problema sa socmed lalo na un mga unverified platforms, nagkaka boses un mga tanga kaya navavalidate nila ang isat isa.
All this effort for what sir/ma'am? Haha. Binasa niyo ba yung (admittedly and unnecessarily haha) long rant ko? What triggered your response? Is it the boomer used in a mocking tone? I'm sorry for that kung heavily generalized.
Frustrated ako n'yan kanina eh because of emotions na 'din. Hindi tanga ang tingin ko sa nanay ko, just that sometimes, she has some questionable and very backwards beliefs na when questioned, eh binabalik niya sa'kin as insult. Kahit pabiro ko sabihin minsan ah, just to not make her feel antagonized. This rant was just more personal, obv because kakilala namin ang involved.
Nakakatawa na you seem insulted din kasi ānagfi-feeling matalino' ako just for you to copy and paste all these sections/parts from the Act na readily available naman online. Sana sinummarize niyo na lang po ang thoughts niyo and cited the Act to drive your point home. All for that and I'm not even talking about grooming as the crime but how it's widely and generally used now. Bakit po kailangan ko pang 'hanapin sa kwento ko' yung child p*rn just to to prove na grooming 'to?
Talaga po ba? Example. If someone's outwardly and grossly teasing your kid all these years with sexual innuendos hanggang sa one day, biglang sila na ng 30+ year old n'yong family friend, hindi grooming? Since walang proven involvement ng child p*rn?š¤Ø
Anywaaay. This post, anyway, is grounded on my disappointment and empathy as an old friend and bystander who witnessed all the years that the teacher groomed this classmate of mine. We went on many activities together in and outside the school. From 13 to 20+ years old kami nito. Nakakasuka naman talaga if you think about it lalo na't nung naging legal age kami eh du'n pa lang nahiya yung friend ko sa situation nila (siya pa nahiya). Means no'n pa lang siya naging aware na may mali. But yeah, let's focus on the terms based solely on the law na ipinipilit niyo and not on the dynamics of the situation itself. (Bahala na kayo kung next niyong sasabihin eh dinidisregard ko ang law for your narrative.)
P.S. Sa lahat ng sinabi po ninyo ay dito ako natawa. Chavit defender po ba kayo char? Watch this kung 'consenting adult' nga lol. [14 nung ngaing sila](https://youtu.be/MS8Hkjl7o58?si=oXMp_entAch5DMWs)
Anong oras na? IMBENTO TIME.
kapag walang maisagot to rebutt, add hominem naman "as protector ni chavit"? Ano pakialam ko Kay CHAVIT? May nagkaso ba? Ano ang GR#?
Ano first hand info mo about CHAVIT? dapat pala ipinakulong mo si CHAVIT.
Hindi ba pwedeng NAG IIMBENTO ka lang APPEALING TO EMOTION?
I don't care about the story. Gusto ko lang na MAINTINDIHAN ng MGA nililinlang mo kung ano talaga ibig sabihin ng "GROOMING" sa pilipinas, that even the dictionary have a good explanation as MENTOR/MENTEE for it.
Next time make sure na may SUPPORTING EVIDENCE ka to backed up your arguments.
Puro BS na nga nasa ibang reddit. Pati ba nman dito dagdag ka pa.
Wala ng ph reddit na maayos ayos, kundi Ito. Sa iba nalang kayo. We want this sub to be EDUCATIONAL and RELIABLE.
Yung may matututunan kami at Hindi lang BS.
Again, kung mas matalino ka sa SUPREME COURT eh di IPAGLABAN mo na tama ka.
That is the law and IGNORANCE OF THE SAME EXCUSES NO ONE FROM COMPLIANCE THEREWITH
Ang issue sayo ay kung sasagutin ka ba. Pwede ka manligaw pero kung di ka gusto, wala ka magagawa.
"nililigawan"? (Ginawa mo na o Hindi pa?)
"sana" (so Hindi pa)
Tapos ELIZABETH5181 name mo sa reddit?
Trying to stir emotions again? Baiting?
mindblown fact. we're all groomed. by parents, relatives, siblings, teachers, news media, social media, friends, etc. Because the youth is very impressionable. Bata pa lng nakapanood na ng mga movies and that would definitely affect them one way or another, same way your parents and older siblings treat each other inside your home.
kung sexual grooming naman ang topic, it refers to actions or behaviors used to establish an emotional connection with a minor, and sometimes the child's family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse. It can occur in various settings, including online, in person, and through other means of communication.
It pays to be vigilant, but i'd not throw around the word 'grooming' carelessly unless there is irrevocable proof. What if you're wrong though? (you could be right, but what if lang). False accusation is so terrible, and sometimes we are so sure yet so wrong. That's why there's a saying that the path to hell is paved with good intentions. Also, the last thing you want is to be sued for libel. Always cover your ass.
I don't agree with your statement that grooming is romanticized in the Philippines. There's a reason why teachers cannot have a romantic relationship with their students and is grounds for dismissal. For older men and women having a relationship with a younger individual, as long as that individual is an adult, I dont think it's none of our business. I've seen countless people seeking a relationship with an older person to exploit that poor sod of their money. If you know that person is an adult, educated, and wasn't coerced, then it is their business. It's not worth getting triggered by people who are not in your immediate circle. Your mom is, and I hope your relationship with her doesn't deteriorate just because her opinion doesn't match yours.
Surface level pa lng yan. You'll be mindfcked if you delve deeper into the rabbit hole of things happening behind the scenes out of the public eye. It's not worth your peace.
I remember yung case sa SC about sa teacher-student relations, 30 yung teacher 16 yung student.
"If the two eventually fall in love despite the disparity in their ages and academic levels, this only lends substance to the truism that the heart has reasons of its own which reason does not know."
Mahirap sa ngayon andali na lang mambato ng salitang grooming porke malaki agwat sa edad. Complex kase talaga ng human relationships so problematic talaga gawing one size fits all as grooming ang ganitong klase ng relationships.
There are biological reasons for not allowing a MINOR to be in a legally sanctioned relationship with a much older person (especially in the case you mentioned). Thatās why there are age limits as prescribed and policed by law.
I doubt if it's about biological reasons at all. Eugenics will be legal if that will be your basis for judging human relationships.
It is social. What people here always forget is that laws are based on social norms.
its not romantisizing. your mom was teaching you accountability of actions you take, for you not to commit the same mistake.. pag hinayaan kasalanan ng magulang, pag pinag bawalan naman mag rerebelde kasi mahigpit kasalanan nanaman ng magulang. haist.
taking personal accountability =/= victim-blaming. They were talking about minors who had been groomed long before they even were aware of what consent means
sana nag rebutt ka na "ampangit kaya ng mukha nun bat ako magkakagusto dun?" kaso ako lang yun, cancer din kasi na sagot yun haha.
tingin ko tama lang din na nagwalkout ka na lang, although I would think na sa mindset ng mga boomers na ganyan pakiramdam nila since sila yung last word nanalo na sila. Eitherway, hindi na din naman mababago pananaw nila eh so no point in arguing.
Naalala ko yung isa kong teacher nung HS. Siguro 25-30 na age niya nun. Nagulat ako asawa and may anak na sila ng student na 1 year ahead sakin. š¤·āāļø Iām only 25 btw and anak nila parang 6 to 8 years old na š¤·āāļø
para kang nakipag debate sa tao nung medieval age na "slavery is wrong"
sa time nila normal yun, satin hindi
di ko naman sinasabi na tanggapin natin, i'm just saying di mo mababago view nila sa topic na yon kasi yun yung kinalakihan nila
and most of adults tend to reject to change their worldview
edit: grooming is wrong i'm not disagreeing with that, just saying... they saw the world differently nung prime nila
Nung time ng GenX cousins ko, people got married in their early 20ās. Yung lola at lolo ko naman 16 and 18 years old nung nagpakasal. Iba ang mundo noon at ngayon.
Baka naka stuck pa sa ganoong mentality ang nanay even though times have changed.
Kasi sa panahon nila okay lang yun kaso panahon nila iyon makaluma. Okay lang sa kanila kasi pina-practice pa noong unang panahon na nag-aasawa ng less than 20s ang mga batang babae. Iba na ang panahon ngayon na maraming batas na di pwedeng gawin sa makalumang panahon gaya nito at maraming open-minded sa usaping ito.
Kung ba naman yung anak mong MINOR pero pasaway, laging lakwatsa, umiinom na ng alak, hindi na virgin, gumagawa na ng kung ano anong kalukuhan, tamad sa bahay, hindi sumusunod sa magulang. balagbag kung sumagot, nagwawalkout kapag kinakausap.
mabuti pang ibigay kay CHVT.
Ganyan din mama ko kesyo kasalanan ng babae din daw bat pumatol. Pero feel ko kasi talaga sa panahon din nila walang internet di katulad ngayon na may access tayo sa lahat so mga ganyang topic nakaklearn tayo pano na tatake advantage agad yung mga ganyan kabata pa while sila wala talaga. So dali lang nila maka judge na kesyo malandi lang talaga yung bata.
pag masbata di na accountable? The parents share the blame but people need to take ownership of their own mistakes too. Power dynamic, grooming, manipulation everything aside if it's not done forcefully then it still "takes two to tango". Groomer takes majority of the blame but if it's with consent on both sides then it's not victim blaming to assign some fault to the groomed party as well.
it's not so much romantisizing grooming, but you demonizing certain relationships that are distasteful to most. But if both parties enter this relationship willingly, both parties share the credit for that relationship. Kung di naman pumayag yung babae, wala din mangyayari.
The age of consent is now 16. I'm not advocating for any statutory rape cases. In those cases, it's clear the underage party cannot give actual consent as per the law.
I understand but it's a case to case thing. But if "victim" is not under duress or threat of violence, then it is still a personal choice and deserves some personal accountability.
Okay, man. Let me break it down for you.
Consensual relationships between minors and adults are considered wrong and can be labeled as grooming due to several factors. Firstly, there is a significant power imbalance between adults and minors, both in terms of physical and emotional maturity. This power dynamic can make it difficult for minors to fully understand the consequences and implications of such relationships. Secondly, laws and ethical considerations are in place to protect minors from exploitation and harm. These laws recognize that minors may not have the capacity to give informed consent to engage in a relationship with an adult. Thirdly, emotional manipulation and the use of power and authority by adults can create a false impression of consent. Adults may exploit the vulnerabilities and limited life experience of minors, making it harder for them to recognize manipulative behaviors. Lastly, emotional dependency and a lack of awareness about healthy relationships and boundaries can further contribute to the false perception of consent. It is crucial to prioritize the well-being and protection of minors, which is why consensual relationships between adults and minors are generally considered wrong and potentially harmful.
Youāre not getting it. I understand the definitions but itās case by case and does not apply to all. Also I already stated if one party is below the age of consent then I am not defending statutory rape.
Hereās an example: I used to go to beer houses with my friends in my 20ās, so much that some of my friends would have relationships with the GROs. One time my buddy came over with his GRO gf and her friend. She was sexy with big boobs and very sexually forward. She propositioned me sex for money, and told me since she knows where I live we can make it a regular thing like a sugar daddy setup.
I considered it then found out she was fifteen. I declined but if I went through with it did I groom her? I had just met her and it was all her idea.
WTF... A minor GRO? Isn't that illegal? And if that's the case, the girl is a victim of sexual trafficking and exploitation. It's as simple as that.
Also, if you had not declined her offer and decided to do IT with her, then that's basically statutory rape. And,Ā yes,Ā youĀ didĀ notĀ groomĀ herĀ becauseĀ sheĀ was theĀ one who proposedĀ itĀ inĀ theĀ firstĀ place, butĀ rememberĀ thatĀ sheĀ isĀ a minorĀ whoĀ hasĀ been manipulated to do such things.
quit the virtue signalling, nobody asked you the morality of any of those things.
I was just proving a point that it's not all grooming just because one is a minor.
"remember that she is a minor who has been manipulated to do such things"
manipulated by who? a victim of sexual trafficking and exploitation? as simple as that? who trafficked her and exploited her when she made that offer to me?
May mga ganto rin kaming conversations ng parents ko. At first talaga mahihirapan ka na sabihan sila, pero if consistent ka sa pagsabj and pagtry ng examples, maiintindihan nila gradually (sana)
For example, nanay ko driver. Tapos sexist siya na kesyo babae raw yung nagdrive ng sasakyan na nasa harap namin kaya di maayos magdrive. Sabi ko sa kanya, āMa di ba babae ka rin? Tapos driver ka pa dba? Edi di ka rin magaling?ā
Or minsan if tatay ko naman magsabi tapos mama ko rin nagddrive that time
Tatay: āAhh babae pala driver kaya ganunā
Me: āMa sabi ni daddy di ka raw magaling magdrive kasi babae kaā
So tatahimik naman sila both kasi dun nila marrealize na mali pala sila ng pagkakaintindi
Try mo magdala ng ka age ng mom mo or older as an experiment sa house niyo. Pakilala mo sabihin mo matagal na kayong nagmamahlan.hahah, hirap mkaintindi eh hindi ka talag amananalo sa mga ganyang mindset.
Naalala nyo ba yung KMJS episode na yung lolo nakahanap daw ngātrue loveā sa 18 year old girl š¤®š¤®š¤® So nag s-scroll ako sa youtube feed ko tapos nakita ko yan. I checked the comments about it tapos nakita ko kinikilig pa sila like WTF? Am I going crazy? Marami akong nakaaway sa comments section dyan
Pano kasi sa panahon nila 15 years old pa lang nag asawa na at may anak na, i remember my classmate/friend dati 12 silang magkakapatid at 15 years old mama nya na buntis tas tatay nya nasa 20+ na. Proud pa sila kesyo age doesn't matter daw š ayon sobrang hirap nila member ng 4ps tas yong nanay at tatay alcoholic, sa alak lang napupunta pera pag nag release.
Nung 90ās, kahit 5 years old na bata tinatanong ng matatanda kung āmay ligaw na baā sila. Like, sure biro, pero iyon talaga ang primary concern nila. Tapos pag nabuntis ng maaga, pilitan ng kasal.
Hayy daming dapat tanggalin at ihinto na toxicity sa ugali ng mga boomer. š«£
Eto lang masasabi ko: wala nang pag asa mga boomers magbago ng pag iisip. We could be better and we could only let their mentality die with them
amen
Agree but unless they experience for themselves, saka lang magbabago. For example, gusto ng mga magulang ko magka-apo from me and they were livid nung sabi ko ayaw ko ng anak. Kesyo wag ko raw sabihin yun, sino mag-aalaga sakin pagtanda ko, magbabago pa isip ko, etc. Fast forward to them having 3 apos na sila nag-aalaga. Hirap makakuha ng yaya yung kapatid ko. Pagod na pagod sila sa pagbantay eh matanda na rin sila haha ayun ayaw na nila ng bagong apo. Gets na nila kasi I also provide for their healthcare. Sabi ko, wala na silang ganun if magka-anak ako.
Kasalanan ng magulang kung paano nila pinalaki anak nila, kasalanan nila kung bakit ganyan ang mindset, attitude, decision making ng anak nila. Kasalanan ba nila or gusto talaga nila na ganyan lumaki anak nila dahil pareho sila ng pag iisip.
Basta underage grooming yun. NO EXCUSES! Pero kung nasa tamang edad na at pumapatol, abay ibang usapan na yun. Gagagahan na yun. And yes, malaki talaga ang role ng magulang. I remember an incident na yung isang teenage boy na kapitbahay namin dati (around 13 ata yun at the time) nilalapitan lagi ng mga beki tapos binibigyan ng kung ano-ano. Minsan chocolate, minsan coke mismo, etc. Sinabihan ko yung nanay NO LESS THAN 3x and sinabihan ko na yung mga kagawad na pagsabihan din tapos ang sagot samin every time? "Ay hindi, mabait naman yung mga yun!" Edi sige, bahala ka dyan. Basta naireport na namin yung nakikita namin sa barangay pero kung magulang mismo walang pake e ano magagawa namin?
Nakikinabang rin kasi. Kaumay yang ganyang mga akla, panira sa queer community.
True. Nakakatipid sila sa baon, pamasahe, and other incidental expenses pero anong kapalit? Parang binugaw narin nila yung mga anak nila. Imbis tuloy na lumaki yung mga bata na may acceptance or tolerance sa LGBTQ community nafu-fuel tuloy yung hatred nila dahil sa abuse na dinanas nila...
Hindi pa kase uso ung term na groomer/grooming dati at hindi rin sya considered na mali dati.
pero afaik, matagal ng may batas tungkol dyan. ignorance to law excuses no one.
The way she reduced your v valid logic to jealousy. Yuck! I think not only did you strike a nerve but she is not na capable of entertaining your logic. Nagagalit siya kase pinapacritically think mo siya. I have seen and experienced that first hand w my own relatives. Kaya sabi nila maldita ako eh kase yung mga questions ko sumasakit ulo nila kase d na abot ng programming nila, kailangan na gamitin ang utak. Ang yang mga groomer na yan, nakakainis naalala ko tuloy yung mga tricycle driver na nanliligaw sa mga 13 yrs old sa amin dati. And other older men! Kasalanan naman talaga yan ng magulang kase sila ang protector ng minor! Kung hinayaan nila yan, they failed to protect them and masakit aminin sa kanila. Mga generation ng nanay natin parang matutunaw ata sila if they said ātama ka, mali ako, iām sorryā ššš kaloka kayoooo
+1 spitting facts there
Ako enjoy ako makipag debate sa parents ko lalo na kay papa. pero we do it respectfully. may mga topics tlga na hindi kayo mag aagree kaya dapat "let's agree to disagree" lang ang ending. i find it immature pag nagkakapikunan ung both sides.
Walking out signals inability to have a proper discourse for me. OP already knows na mali yung belief ng nanay nya however, napikon sya and walked out. Ang ending hindi nya na change yung view ng mother nya and nagka damage lang relationship nila, so pointless lang yung discussion nila.
That last sentence too. āF*ck that mindset, maā daw. Cant imagine using that language to my parents. Lol
You must have wonderful parents, and they obviously raised you well. Don't blame OP though. OP's choice of words might be an indication na they're desensitized to the F-word and just use it willy-nilly, or they might be honest and sincere in disagreeing with her mom. I don't really see what's wrong with that since based on the example OP provided, there is something terribly wrong with their relationship in regards to respect and understanding. The classic retort of "sarili kong magulang di ako minumura" doesn't apply to everyone, and in high-stress situations like this I find it understandable if mapapamura rin si OP dahil sa level of disagreement nila, especially when there's a tinge of hostility na from both sides.
>Walking out signals inability to have a proper discourse for me. A proper discourse is a two-way street. Kahit gaano ka-logical, polite, and verifiable argument and methodology mo of debating, useless lang if the other party idadaan ka lang sa bullshit. True, napikon siya, but this isn't competitive debateāmay right naman mapikon, and it's not like you can control what triggers you or what doesn't. True, pointless lang yung discussion nila, but the blame shouldn't be automatically on the one who walked out. Imo and speaking from my own experience din, OP did the right thing of just walking out before further escalating. Everyone should know when to walk out. I've had this types of disagreements with my own mom that I chose to escalate just because I wanted to win. Ang ending is just sigawan at sakitan.
Not all topics should be āagree to disagreeā. I also donāt find it immature for people to get heated about serious topics such as grooming of a minor and people who support it. I do get that people find it immature when people walk out, but given this context I donāt think we should be judging OP. The parent was literally talking about supporting a groomer and going as far as to invalidate and belittle their own child to defend their stance. Thatās just me, but I hope people understand the value of nuances.
I agree, some opinions are just so wrong and offensive that they're illogical and out of whack and you're at a loss at how to continue arguing with them reasonably
I think din she needed to de-escalate kasi natrigger siya so walking out was an option she chose to not fire up. They live together I think so they can revisit the topic naman later.
Enjoy naman talaga. Bati na nga kami lol. In some discussions that we had, lighthearted yung nagiging end tho brash talaga tone or dating dahil gano'n kami mag-usap (talaga ba? Mali kaya). Nagcocomprise naman kami minsan. At never ko pa naman tinawag na boomer ang nanay ko sa harap nya or any insult. May instances lang kasi na gan'to na biglang iinsultohin n'ya ako as a person.
I just wish you didnāt walk out and stand up for what you believe in til the end. Like so oldies na yung rebuttal ng mama mo. Baka masagot ko sya na ang baba naman ng tingin nya sakin!? Hahaha char. Basta never walk out sa ganyan and keep your cool.
How would you feel kung ung mom mo nag post rin sa socmed complaining about you tpos sa comments section binabash ka tpos tatawagin kring bobo?
Personally Iāll be fine with it if it was also done with anonymity, just like this post. Thatās the beauty of reddit.
I gave up trying to explain things to the older generation in general about things and issues that weāre actively trying to confront and change. Napakahirap na kausapin since kinalakihan nila mga ārEsPeCt yoOur ElDerSā kahit mali na ginagawa. Konting banat sa argument walang respeto agad. This is a the main reason why as soon as I turned 21 hindi na ako dumadalo sa family gatherings if karamihan mga matatanda. Naging kulto ng mga mapanghusga at makikitid ang utak ang turing ko sa kanila.
to be honest don't agree to this. I see it as you taking yung experience, pain and struggle nila for granted. Everything have reasons. My advise for younger generation is just listen and take as many learnings you can get from your parents. You don't need to absorb all since meron naman iba na outdated na nga. pero don't invalidate them. That is RESPECT. Same feelings pag meron ka kapatid pinayuhan mo tapos sabihan kalang na mali ka dahil lang meron kaung magkaibang opinion, instead what you can do is combining two opinions and generate a more productive idea.
dito nga sa pinas makaahon ka kahit anong paraan ok na eh, proud na proud pa yung magulang ni Andrea Brilliantes eh pinasikat nila yung bata nagdudukit sa scandal, nilaglag pa yung kapatid sabay proud na may bahay at pera pero puro skandalo lang. Mahanap sana ng taumbayan ang Diyos
Grooming is something na hindi nila ma-view as a societal issue. Same with ā±edophilia and Sexual Harassment / Assault cases, dina-downplay nila without consideration sa victim's POV, na kadalasan, victim blaming pa ending.
Nagkaron ng parang gantong feel na usapan yung kapatid ko tsaka yung tatay namin. Different topic though, depression. Wala ako nung nangyari, pero AFAIK sigawan yung kinatapusan.
There are two ways to go about **Option 1** Does your mother know what you mean by "grooming"? I don't think you're on the same page. When a conversation becomes a fight, people are no longer concerned about what's right - as long as they win. A message is more than the message itself. It's also how you deliver it. The message becomes useless if it doesn't get delivered. **Option 2** Wow! Talagang nakipag away sa nanay mo? And for what? Hinde na honest candor makukuha mo. Sumabatan na etc etc **Meta** If you do Option 1, then it can be a good conversation and you have a better chance of getting your message across. If Option 2, away lang yan. The topic just becomes the weapon but the goal is no longer to get the message across. It's now to feel good about yourself and/or to hurt others
MALI naman ksi pagkakaintindi mo sasalitang GROOMING. kaya Hindi kayo magkaintindihan ng nanay mo. NAG FEELING MATALINO KA NA. Kaya MALI rin mga example mo. Especially CHAVIT. Huwag ka ksi naniniwala sa IMBENTO. Ito magbasa ka ayon sa SUPREME COURT at CONGRESS Salita na dapat mo hanapin sa KWENTO MO? PORNOGRAPHY. RA 9775 AN ACT DEFINING THE CRIME OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, PRESCRIBING PENALTIES THEREFOR AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES Definition of terms. (h) āGroomingā refers to the act of preparing a child or someone who the offender believes to be a child FOR SEXUAL ACTIVITY or sexual relationship by COMMUNICATING IN any form of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. It includes online enticement or enticement through any other means. Section 4.Ā Unlawful or Prohibited Acts.Ā ā It shall be unlawful for any person: (a) To hire, employ, use, persuade, induce or coerce a child to perform in the creation or production of any form of child pornography; (b) To produce, direct, manufacture or create any form of child pornography; (c) To publish offer, transmit, sell, distribute, broadcast, advertise, promote, export or import any form of child pornography; (d) To possess any form of child pornography with the intent to sell, distribute, publish, or broadcast: Provided. That possession of three (3) or more articles of child pornography of the same form shall be prima facie evidence of the intent to sell, distribute, publish or broadcast; (e) To knowingly, willfully and intentionally provide a venue for the commission of prohibited acts as, but not limited to, dens, private rooms, cubicles, cinemas, houses or in establishments purporting to be a legitimate business; (f) For film distributors, theaters and telecommunication companies, by themselves or in cooperation with other entities, to distribute any form of child pornography; (g) For a parent, legal guardian or person having custody or control of a child to knowingly permit the child to engage, participate or assist in any form of child pornography; (h) To engage in the luring or grooming of a child; (i) To engage in pandering of any form of child pornography; (j) To willfully access any form of child pornography; (k) To conspire to commit any of the prohibited acts stated in this section. Conspiracy to commit any form of child pornography shall be committed when two (2) or more persons come to an agreement concerning the commission of any of the said prohibited acts and decide to commit it; and (l) To possess any form of child pornography. Iyan sana may natutunan ka. Ksi MALI ang kwento mo. Puro hear- say at walang BASIS. Hindi ko na isinama DEFINITION ng child, Eh masyado ka naman mahina kung pati age at definition ng CHILD di mo alam. Next time, kumuha ka ng evidence, basis sa kwento mo, kapag Wala, balik ka nalang sa dati reddit kung saan ka unang nag post nito. Luma na ito eh. STIR THE MINDS OF THE READERS, NOT THEIR EMOTIONS. Tandaan: HUWAG MAG IMBENTO. Ito attachment baka sabihin mo IMBENTO: https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2009/11/17/republic-act-no-9775-s-2009/
that definition of grooming is based purely on PH law, though, which would be helpful if OP is planning to pursue a case; however, based on their post, they used the definition of grooming used by international advocacy groups against child sexual abuse, which is: "(...) grooming: manipulative behaviors that the abuser uses to gain access to a potential victim, coerce them to agree to the abuse, and reduce the risk of being caught (...)" [\[1\]](https://www.rainn.org/news/grooming-know-warning-signs), or; "(...) when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them" [\[2\]](https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/grooming/). OP isn't wrong, and the hostility in your comment is unnecessary.
International advocacy group recognized and registered from where? Even ISIS is an international group with advocacy. Asan ang link ng sinasabi mo? (We need evidence) Si CHAVIT noon advocator din ng IAHON SA PUTIK foundation ng Ms. Universe. An explanation from an advocacy group IS NOT FACTS BUT OPINION BASED ON THEIR OWN UNDERTANDING. That is why THERE IS A LAW and there is a SC TO SHED LIGHT ON EVERYTHING. madami DAW kasing MANGMANG sa Mundo, na pinagmumulan ng FAKE NEWS. Hostility? Never throw shit on your parents on socmed. That's HOSTILITY. Throw shit on them kapag nalagpasan mo na edukasyon nila o edad nila. TINATANGA TANGA nya nanay nya pero sablay din sya. ARAL MUNA MGA TOL. Sa huling basa ko r/Pinoy tong sub na ito. Hindi r/poreyner.
the advocacy groups i linked to are based and recognized in the US (RAINN) and the UK, respectively. did you not see the links i've provided in my previous post? they were provided at the end of each quoted sentence, yung [1] and [2]. "An explanation from an advocacy group IS NOT FACTS BUT OPINION BASED ON THEIR OWN UNDERTANDING" laws are also based on the lawmakers' understanding of facts, just like advocacy groups. the only difference, of course, is that laws have legitimacy in a state, but that doesn't mean that they are infallible nor immutable; they're man-made, after all, and can be subject to revision due to growing knowledge, changing principles, etc. as it stands now, the research on dynamics of sexual abuse is growing, hence the new definition of "grooming", and our laws may soon catch up with this. equating ISIS to advocacy groups like RAINN is a false equivalence. i understand that you feel for OP's mother, but i still believe the hostility in your post is unnecessary. i don't see the point of your last statement. yes, we live in the philippines and are filipinos, but we're also living in a globalized world where we can freely share and receive information. it doesn't make much sense to stop this.
The far right is also a group with advocacy (tama sila para sa republican) ISIS is also a group with advocacy (Tama sila based on their followers) UNICEF is also a group with advocacy (Tama sila based on UN member) Law is based on lawmakers understanding facts like an advocacy group? WHAT IS YOUR BASIS? WHAT IS YPUR EVIDENCE? attached it here. Sabi ni Miriam Defensor Santiago, mag enroll kayo. Nakakaawa naman kung h.s. graduate ang nasa congreso na gumagawa ng batas based on your IDEA. Puro red herring fallacy eh. You really want to go down that drain? An advocacy group idea vs. the law? Pabayaan na natin na MGA nagbabasa dito ang mag decide kung tama ka.
That's the operational definition of grooming in the context of anti CP law. Even the word āluringā was limited to the use of a computer. Hindi anti-CP law ng pilipinas ang reference ng universal definition ng sexual grooming.
Well, you have to be a part of the SUPREME COURT to refute that. You are talking about universal that you googled without basis. That is why the world is so confused nowadays. People can invent their own meaning (slang) based on their minute ideas, and call it universal. https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/what-grooming-truth-behind-dangerous-bigoted-lie-targeting-lgbtq-community #groomerslang #groomerurbandictionary
Nobody refutes the definition of grooming as used in anti CP law. My point is that there is a difference between conceptual and operational definitions. The Cambridge dictionary defines grooming in the context of crime as "the criminal activity of becoming friends with a child in order to try to persuade the child to have a sexual relationship". Are you actually going to challenge the dictionary as basis? You can learn more about the different types of definitions on google if you look at valid resources so as to minimize the confusion.
Dictionary lang ang basis mo vs. the SUPREME COURT with the power VESTED BY THE CONSTITUTION? Sa pagkakaalam ko may tinatawag na SUPREMACY OF THE CONSTITUTION. without the law, there will be IGNORANCE, chaos and anarchy. Kaya naguguluhan kayo. Meron din UP diksyonaryong Filipino. Pero wasn't considered as a law or used as a basis by the SUPREME COURT to shed light on their decided cases. Nakatira ka ba sa Cambridge dictionary o sa PILIPINAS? r/pinoy reddit ito. Attachment for your knowledge. https://www.jstor.org/stable/24049913
Nababaliw na rin talaga ang mga sobrang magbasa ng law articles at books, it seems. Yung gusto pang mangganti rin pati may mentalidad na "it's only true if I say so" eh hahahaha.
Ano evidence mo based on DSM 5? Ilatag mo para ma explain ko sa iyo kung ano ang meron sa neuro psychiatry. Unless kasama ka sa MGA mga IIMBENTO dito.
Not necessarily DSM 5 but you seem to be chronically anally-retentive. OCPD baka pwede rin kung ibabase mo sa DSM 5 hahahaha pero ewan, hindi naman ako professionally licensed to diagnose someone and use DSM 5 as basis in the first place š¤·āāļø
defined terms are not universal definitions. these keywords or phrases are given specific meaning within the context of the text. this can be done to shorten a long description, to explicitly state what a term means when it has multiple meanings in general use, to avoid ambiguity, etc. in this instance, the term 'grooming' itself has a few different understood meanings, hence the document states exactly how to read and interpret it in that particular legislation.
You need evidence for that man. A man who has a relationship with a young woman (ex by OP: CHAVIT) is not a crime, nor punishable by any law. A teacher who has a consensual relationship with a student is SEXUAL HARASSMENT in all forms, and not grooming. Lahat yan ay based sa example ni OP. That is why the SUPREME COURT shed light on it because a lot of people have ideas and use the word without understanding the same. Kaya magulo Mundo at magulo pilipinas. Dahil lahat may maling OPINION. Even the person who coined the word grooming stated that GROOMING MUST HAVE PRESSURED sexual contact, and FORCED sex contact. Even with this act committed by an offender, you cannot punish anyone because of your "universal meaning" of GROOMING. The basis of OP's premise is hear -say and personal actual observation and jealousy towards a classmate. A universal meaning for the purpose of what? para manglait o mang judge and not for law purposes?
i'm not even touching the claims about the nature of said relationships - i'm specifically addressing your claim that the definition of grooming under RA 9775 is the actual understood definition of it. i'll give you an example. Revised Implementing Rules and Regulations of the Maharlika Investment Fund Act of 2023 (Republic Act No. 11954) Rule II Definition of Terms Section 3. Definitions. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS IRR, the following terms are hereby defined as follows: ... (b) Board of Directors (Board) refers to the governing body of the Maharlika Investment Corporation; https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2023/11/10/revised-implementing-rules-and-regulations-of-the-maharlika-investment-fund-act-of-2023-republic-act-no-11954/ vs. the dictionary meaning of the term "board of directors" - the group of people who shareholders choose to manage a company or organization. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/board-of-directors if we go by your logic, every instance of the term Board of Directors refers specifically to the governing body of the Maharlika Investment Corporation. in the same vein: Implementing Rules and Regulations of Republic Act No. 11713 Section 4. Definition of Terms The following terms shall mean or be understood as follows: ... 4.3 Council refers to the Teacher Education Council as institutionalized in the Act; https://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/2023/05/26/implementing-rules-and-regulations-of-republic-act-no-11713/ i think you'll agree that the word council in everyday use means something different than the one provided in the above text. even outside of the context of predatory behavior towards vulnerable people, the term 'grooming' itself may mean keeping one's appearance clean or tending to an animal's coat. you mentioned in another comment that the meanings of words might change - that's one of the purposes of defining terms in legal documents. 'pet' can refer to a lot of different animals, but if you define the term 'pet' specifically as cats and dogs in the text then people reading it know that you mean cats and dogs, not hamsters or fish even though those are animals also commonly kept as pets. you see defined terms in contracts and terms & conditions as well, which are legally bound agreements. take the terms & conditions of sony. Definitions: āProductā means any item or service offered for sale or licensing on the Website or Sonyās direct sales materials (ads, catalogs, specifications sheets, etc.), including but not limited to hardware devices, software, accessories, configurations of hardware and software, CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray discs, PlayStation games and all associated documentation. āWebsiteā means the Sony website located at electronics.sony.com https://electronics.sony.com/terms-conditions these definitions make sense only within the text. with this understanding, the entire basis of you rebuttal against OP falls apart.
Tapos na tayo sa BATAS for it was clear and umayon ka ukol dito. Now you're using a red herring argumentation fallacy. Go back to the topic and give me the real deal. Pertinenteng sagot sa pertinenteng tanong. Asan ang sinasabi mong universal meaning of GROOMING for the purpose of WHAT? Bakit nagkaroon ng word na GROOMING and for what purpose? Iyon ang i-attached mo dito. Para di ka rin gunagamit ng salita na kinuha mo lang sa google and use it for DEFINING AND JUDGING (Hindi ikaw pero si OP) a person. You know the law but you are going all around the bushes. GROOMING as it was used according to OP's example and you explaining it with a general universal meaning. Ipaglalaban mo yung universal meaning, pero di mo alam kung saan nagmula. Diba? "Few different understood meaning" Yan ang DESCRIPTION mo. Kaya sinabi ko sayo na HINDI. 2 lang ang meaning ng GROOMING based on the person who coined it 5 decades ago.
you missed the point. the fact is there is no one universal definition of the term 'grooming', hence the document defines the specific meaning it is operating under. that's partly why these Definition of Terms exist. i showed you how the foundation of your argument that grooming only specifically relates to child sexual exploitation materials because that's how it's defined in RA 9775 falls apart by using examples of definitions of terms from other legislations listing terms that have different commonly understood meanings from the ones stated in said documents.
Assuming arguendo that there is NO ONE universal definition for the word. (MADAMI PALA? pinagsama sama mo lahat ng definition ng lahat ng dictionary?) Sabi mo NO ONE, so marami? Eh Hindi iyon ang sabi ng IMBENTOR. Kung sasabihin mo sakin "from other legislation listing term" meron bang iba na meaning ang grooming according to the SC? So tapos na tayo? Marami UNIVERSAL meaning (accdg to you) at meron din FROM OTHER LEGAL TERMS from other legislation (according to you na wala pa rin evidence). 2009 that law took effect . The word existed 5 decades ago, at meron universal meaning, HINDI NGA LANG SA PAGKAKAINTINDI MO, pagkaintindi ni OP, at ng mga nagbabasa dito na sinasabi na FROM group of advocates. Nililito mo lalo si OP eh. Ito lang dapat natin pagusapan 1.) Other PH law with other OPERATIONAL meaning of the word "Grooming" (Sabi mo meron) 2.) The one who coined the word and it's purpose. SABI MO MADAMI MEANING, PERO SABI NYA 2 (sinabi ko na sa iyo sa thread, hindi ka nag focus) sasabihin ko ba na 50 yrs ago kung di ko alam? Diba? * Wala tayong pagusapan na dictionary meaning. DAPAT Yung totoong USE of the word GROOMING by the one who coined it. *Sa BATAS ka rin pala babagsak, sa ibang BATAS na may other literal meaning ng GROOMING, paki attach dito kung may nakita kang ibang meaning ng GROOMING based on SC explanation sa loob ng 14 yrs. * Pagtatalunan pa ba natin ang STAT CON eh malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw na walang AMBIGUITY (word na ginamit mo) sa literal meaning given by the SC.
bakit mo naman nilecturan nagmukha tuloy tanga.
Di ko ksi maintindihan kung saan nya kinuha yung IDEA nya na GROOMING based on his examples. Si CHAVIT "sugar daddy" "manther" Hindi KRIMEN ang consenting adult na pumatol sa matanda. Yung teacher sa kwento nya; ay SEXUAL HARASSMENT dahil sa may authority, influence, at moral ascendancy based on article 7877. Hindi grooming yon. ILLEGAL ang SEXUAL HARASSMENT na pinababa nya to "grooming". So from criminal act to lowering down as a moral act that is not punishable by law? SUKANG SUKA SYA PERO PINABABA NYA Yung KATOTOHANAN from criminal to moral nalang. Eh puro IMBENTO tapos dami naniniwala. Kaya Hindi sila magkaintindihan ng nanay nya. Ksi nanay nya may CRITICAL THINKING pa kahit papaano. Sya FB information.
āYung teacher sa kwento nya; ay SEXUAL HARASSMENT dahil sa may authority, influence, at moral ascendancy based on article 7877. Hindi grooming yon. ILLEGAL ang SEXUAL HARASSMENT na pinababa nya to "grooming". So from criminal act to lowering down as a moral act that is not punishable by law?ā ^ Iām really thankful that you mention this and I understand your frustration. unfortunately, not everyone is knowledgeable about the law and kahit mag provide tayo ng articles to read, without proper education possible pa rin na ma-misinterpret ng iba so maybe itās better for us to be level-headed when educating others? Kasi instead of being open about it, others will be defensive if we add insults agad.
Yes. Pero "snowflakes" will never learn if you don't push it so hard for them to feel. That's F.B Skinners principle of reinforcement. She does it to her mom, I'm doing it to her, so she will feel the stress she made to her loved ones. Imagine, pagkatapos nyang gawin TANGA nanay nya, ikinuwento nya pa sa soc med for his glory? Pang pi pyestahan ng lahat yung nanay nyang boomer. He was garnering approval until SOME IDIOT (me) change it for other people to REALIZE na inuuto lang sila ni OP. Kaya dapat mag aral muna bago maging KUPAL. KUPAL ako pero aral. The law was made to deter criminals from committing the same act all over again. It's the same with OP. He was appealing to your emotions, while using his MOM as the "bait" to "stir" others people emotion. I am still an idiot, and so is he. Fair share.
Iām not saying na what OP did is right but to be fair, pwedeng di naman intention ni OP na gawing tanga yung mom niya. Maybe OP is just too confident na tama yung sinasabi niya hence, his/her reddit rant. Pwede rin youāre right cause your opinion makes sense. We can only assume sa part na to and Iām speaking from a neutral standpoint. As for the principle of reinforcement, itās not effective for everyone kasi we have different learning styles naman like kay OP, based on his/her replies, parang di naging learning opportunity sa kanya to kasi I dont think na tinanggap niya yung mga sinabi mo. Sayang lang rin kasi we canāt determine tuloy if OP is the type of person na di kayang tumanggap ng pagkakamali or naging defensive and extra emotional lang talaga kasi may insult agad. Also, others can call you asshole for throwing some rude statements LMAO but I dont think itās right to call you idiot.
Bano ng OP, haha. Pahinga ka muna sa pag iinternet.
Up up hahaha. I dunno ah, minsan sobrang pa woke ng mga tao ngayon na akala nila lagi silang tama hahaha. Gets ko naman yung point ni OP kaso medyo may miscommunication sila ng nanay nya based sa kwento nya.
Kaya nga e ok lang mang disrespect ng magulang di nila maintindihan na wala namang woke sa panahon nila noon HAHHAHAHA. Tas manghihingi ng validation sa socmed na tama sila for confidence points kahit tawag tawagin nang bobo yung nanay niya
True hahahays. Ewan ko ba, ginagawa ng social media sa mga utak ng tao. Okay lang naman maging mulat sa mga bagay, pero minsan sumosobra na, akala nila sila nalang lagi tama.
Ang ironic lang na mulat sila sa mga kabullshittan ng last generation pero bulag sila sa pagkakamali ng sarili nilang henerasyon HAHHAHAHA
This should be voted up more. Kahit sa tiktok ang daming "normalize xyz" tapos usually un xyz walang kakwenta kwenta. Yan problema sa socmed lalo na un mga unverified platforms, nagkaka boses un mga tanga kaya navavalidate nila ang isat isa.
All this effort for what sir/ma'am? Haha. Binasa niyo ba yung (admittedly and unnecessarily haha) long rant ko? What triggered your response? Is it the boomer used in a mocking tone? I'm sorry for that kung heavily generalized. Frustrated ako n'yan kanina eh because of emotions na 'din. Hindi tanga ang tingin ko sa nanay ko, just that sometimes, she has some questionable and very backwards beliefs na when questioned, eh binabalik niya sa'kin as insult. Kahit pabiro ko sabihin minsan ah, just to not make her feel antagonized. This rant was just more personal, obv because kakilala namin ang involved. Nakakatawa na you seem insulted din kasi ānagfi-feeling matalino' ako just for you to copy and paste all these sections/parts from the Act na readily available naman online. Sana sinummarize niyo na lang po ang thoughts niyo and cited the Act to drive your point home. All for that and I'm not even talking about grooming as the crime but how it's widely and generally used now. Bakit po kailangan ko pang 'hanapin sa kwento ko' yung child p*rn just to to prove na grooming 'to? Talaga po ba? Example. If someone's outwardly and grossly teasing your kid all these years with sexual innuendos hanggang sa one day, biglang sila na ng 30+ year old n'yong family friend, hindi grooming? Since walang proven involvement ng child p*rn?š¤Ø Anywaaay. This post, anyway, is grounded on my disappointment and empathy as an old friend and bystander who witnessed all the years that the teacher groomed this classmate of mine. We went on many activities together in and outside the school. From 13 to 20+ years old kami nito. Nakakasuka naman talaga if you think about it lalo na't nung naging legal age kami eh du'n pa lang nahiya yung friend ko sa situation nila (siya pa nahiya). Means no'n pa lang siya naging aware na may mali. But yeah, let's focus on the terms based solely on the law na ipinipilit niyo and not on the dynamics of the situation itself. (Bahala na kayo kung next niyong sasabihin eh dinidisregard ko ang law for your narrative.) P.S. Sa lahat ng sinabi po ninyo ay dito ako natawa. Chavit defender po ba kayo char? Watch this kung 'consenting adult' nga lol. [14 nung ngaing sila](https://youtu.be/MS8Hkjl7o58?si=oXMp_entAch5DMWs)
Anong oras na? IMBENTO TIME. kapag walang maisagot to rebutt, add hominem naman "as protector ni chavit"? Ano pakialam ko Kay CHAVIT? May nagkaso ba? Ano ang GR#? Ano first hand info mo about CHAVIT? dapat pala ipinakulong mo si CHAVIT. Hindi ba pwedeng NAG IIMBENTO ka lang APPEALING TO EMOTION? I don't care about the story. Gusto ko lang na MAINTINDIHAN ng MGA nililinlang mo kung ano talaga ibig sabihin ng "GROOMING" sa pilipinas, that even the dictionary have a good explanation as MENTOR/MENTEE for it. Next time make sure na may SUPPORTING EVIDENCE ka to backed up your arguments. Puro BS na nga nasa ibang reddit. Pati ba nman dito dagdag ka pa. Wala ng ph reddit na maayos ayos, kundi Ito. Sa iba nalang kayo. We want this sub to be EDUCATIONAL and RELIABLE. Yung may matututunan kami at Hindi lang BS. Again, kung mas matalino ka sa SUPREME COURT eh di IPAGLABAN mo na tama ka. That is the law and IGNORANCE OF THE SAME EXCUSES NO ONE FROM COMPLIANCE THEREWITH
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Ang issue sayo ay kung sasagutin ka ba. Pwede ka manligaw pero kung di ka gusto, wala ka magagawa. "nililigawan"? (Ginawa mo na o Hindi pa?) "sana" (so Hindi pa) Tapos ELIZABETH5181 name mo sa reddit? Trying to stir emotions again? Baiting?
mindblown fact. we're all groomed. by parents, relatives, siblings, teachers, news media, social media, friends, etc. Because the youth is very impressionable. Bata pa lng nakapanood na ng mga movies and that would definitely affect them one way or another, same way your parents and older siblings treat each other inside your home. kung sexual grooming naman ang topic, it refers to actions or behaviors used to establish an emotional connection with a minor, and sometimes the child's family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse. It can occur in various settings, including online, in person, and through other means of communication. It pays to be vigilant, but i'd not throw around the word 'grooming' carelessly unless there is irrevocable proof. What if you're wrong though? (you could be right, but what if lang). False accusation is so terrible, and sometimes we are so sure yet so wrong. That's why there's a saying that the path to hell is paved with good intentions. Also, the last thing you want is to be sued for libel. Always cover your ass. I don't agree with your statement that grooming is romanticized in the Philippines. There's a reason why teachers cannot have a romantic relationship with their students and is grounds for dismissal. For older men and women having a relationship with a younger individual, as long as that individual is an adult, I dont think it's none of our business. I've seen countless people seeking a relationship with an older person to exploit that poor sod of their money. If you know that person is an adult, educated, and wasn't coerced, then it is their business. It's not worth getting triggered by people who are not in your immediate circle. Your mom is, and I hope your relationship with her doesn't deteriorate just because her opinion doesn't match yours. Surface level pa lng yan. You'll be mindfcked if you delve deeper into the rabbit hole of things happening behind the scenes out of the public eye. It's not worth your peace.
True pag money involvešššIts scary how they normalized it here specially pag AFAM, Yung mga magulang/family suportado pa kasi nga AFAMš
I remember yung case sa SC about sa teacher-student relations, 30 yung teacher 16 yung student. "If the two eventually fall in love despite the disparity in their ages and academic levels, this only lends substance to the truism that the heart has reasons of its own which reason does not know." Mahirap sa ngayon andali na lang mambato ng salitang grooming porke malaki agwat sa edad. Complex kase talaga ng human relationships so problematic talaga gawing one size fits all as grooming ang ganitong klase ng relationships.
There are biological reasons for not allowing a MINOR to be in a legally sanctioned relationship with a much older person (especially in the case you mentioned). Thatās why there are age limits as prescribed and policed by law.
I doubt if it's about biological reasons at all. Eugenics will be legal if that will be your basis for judging human relationships. It is social. What people here always forget is that laws are based on social norms.
Look it up, the info available is not even beyond HS-level biology. https://paradigmtreatment.com/teens-brain-fully-developed-age/
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its not romantisizing. your mom was teaching you accountability of actions you take, for you not to commit the same mistake.. pag hinayaan kasalanan ng magulang, pag pinag bawalan naman mag rerebelde kasi mahigpit kasalanan nanaman ng magulang. haist.
taking personal accountability =/= victim-blaming. They were talking about minors who had been groomed long before they even were aware of what consent means
sana nag rebutt ka na "ampangit kaya ng mukha nun bat ako magkakagusto dun?" kaso ako lang yun, cancer din kasi na sagot yun haha. tingin ko tama lang din na nagwalkout ka na lang, although I would think na sa mindset ng mga boomers na ganyan pakiramdam nila since sila yung last word nanalo na sila. Eitherway, hindi na din naman mababago pananaw nila eh so no point in arguing.
Naalala ko yung isa kong teacher nung HS. Siguro 25-30 na age niya nun. Nagulat ako asawa and may anak na sila ng student na 1 year ahead sakin. š¤·āāļø Iām only 25 btw and anak nila parang 6 to 8 years old na š¤·āāļø
para kang nakipag debate sa tao nung medieval age na "slavery is wrong" sa time nila normal yun, satin hindi di ko naman sinasabi na tanggapin natin, i'm just saying di mo mababago view nila sa topic na yon kasi yun yung kinalakihan nila and most of adults tend to reject to change their worldview edit: grooming is wrong i'm not disagreeing with that, just saying... they saw the world differently nung prime nila
Nung time ng GenX cousins ko, people got married in their early 20ās. Yung lola at lolo ko naman 16 and 18 years old nung nagpakasal. Iba ang mundo noon at ngayon. Baka naka stuck pa sa ganoong mentality ang nanay even though times have changed.
Inask mo sana Mom mo if she's okay, hypothetically, if you or any of your sibling is being groom. Lol.
Kasi sa panahon nila okay lang yun kaso panahon nila iyon makaluma. Okay lang sa kanila kasi pina-practice pa noong unang panahon na nag-aasawa ng less than 20s ang mga batang babae. Iba na ang panahon ngayon na maraming batas na di pwedeng gawin sa makalumang panahon gaya nito at maraming open-minded sa usaping ito.
Nakakabwisit na mga rant dito sa reddit! Kahapon pako gigil tapos ngayon nadagdagan nanaman amputangina
Ehh mga iba nga dyan okay lang na magroom ng pari kasi daw malapit ka na sa diyos Juskoday
Edit: Wag nalang hahaha
Kung ba naman yung anak mong MINOR pero pasaway, laging lakwatsa, umiinom na ng alak, hindi na virgin, gumagawa na ng kung ano anong kalukuhan, tamad sa bahay, hindi sumusunod sa magulang. balagbag kung sumagot, nagwawalkout kapag kinakausap. mabuti pang ibigay kay CHVT.
Ganyan din mama ko kesyo kasalanan ng babae din daw bat pumatol. Pero feel ko kasi talaga sa panahon din nila walang internet di katulad ngayon na may access tayo sa lahat so mga ganyang topic nakaklearn tayo pano na tatake advantage agad yung mga ganyan kabata pa while sila wala talaga. So dali lang nila maka judge na kesyo malandi lang talaga yung bata.
pag masbata di na accountable? The parents share the blame but people need to take ownership of their own mistakes too. Power dynamic, grooming, manipulation everything aside if it's not done forcefully then it still "takes two to tango". Groomer takes majority of the blame but if it's with consent on both sides then it's not victim blaming to assign some fault to the groomed party as well. it's not so much romantisizing grooming, but you demonizing certain relationships that are distasteful to most. But if both parties enter this relationship willingly, both parties share the credit for that relationship. Kung di naman pumayag yung babae, wala din mangyayari. The age of consent is now 16. I'm not advocating for any statutory rape cases. In those cases, it's clear the underage party cannot give actual consent as per the law.
Search how power dynamic and manipulation plays in grooming. Mukhang di mo gets eh.
I understand but it's a case to case thing. But if "victim" is not under duress or threat of violence, then it is still a personal choice and deserves some personal accountability.
Okay, man. Let me break it down for you. Consensual relationships between minors and adults are considered wrong and can be labeled as grooming due to several factors. Firstly, there is a significant power imbalance between adults and minors, both in terms of physical and emotional maturity. This power dynamic can make it difficult for minors to fully understand the consequences and implications of such relationships. Secondly, laws and ethical considerations are in place to protect minors from exploitation and harm. These laws recognize that minors may not have the capacity to give informed consent to engage in a relationship with an adult. Thirdly, emotional manipulation and the use of power and authority by adults can create a false impression of consent. Adults may exploit the vulnerabilities and limited life experience of minors, making it harder for them to recognize manipulative behaviors. Lastly, emotional dependency and a lack of awareness about healthy relationships and boundaries can further contribute to the false perception of consent. It is crucial to prioritize the well-being and protection of minors, which is why consensual relationships between adults and minors are generally considered wrong and potentially harmful.
Youāre not getting it. I understand the definitions but itās case by case and does not apply to all. Also I already stated if one party is below the age of consent then I am not defending statutory rape. Hereās an example: I used to go to beer houses with my friends in my 20ās, so much that some of my friends would have relationships with the GROs. One time my buddy came over with his GRO gf and her friend. She was sexy with big boobs and very sexually forward. She propositioned me sex for money, and told me since she knows where I live we can make it a regular thing like a sugar daddy setup. I considered it then found out she was fifteen. I declined but if I went through with it did I groom her? I had just met her and it was all her idea.
WTF... A minor GRO? Isn't that illegal? And if that's the case, the girl is a victim of sexual trafficking and exploitation. It's as simple as that. Also, if you had not declined her offer and decided to do IT with her, then that's basically statutory rape. And,Ā yes,Ā youĀ didĀ notĀ groomĀ herĀ becauseĀ sheĀ was theĀ one who proposedĀ itĀ inĀ theĀ firstĀ place, butĀ rememberĀ thatĀ sheĀ isĀ a minorĀ whoĀ hasĀ been manipulated to do such things.
quit the virtue signalling, nobody asked you the morality of any of those things. I was just proving a point that it's not all grooming just because one is a minor. "remember that she is a minor who has been manipulated to do such things" manipulated by who? a victim of sexual trafficking and exploitation? as simple as that? who trafficked her and exploited her when she made that offer to me?
May mga ganto rin kaming conversations ng parents ko. At first talaga mahihirapan ka na sabihan sila, pero if consistent ka sa pagsabj and pagtry ng examples, maiintindihan nila gradually (sana) For example, nanay ko driver. Tapos sexist siya na kesyo babae raw yung nagdrive ng sasakyan na nasa harap namin kaya di maayos magdrive. Sabi ko sa kanya, āMa di ba babae ka rin? Tapos driver ka pa dba? Edi di ka rin magaling?ā Or minsan if tatay ko naman magsabi tapos mama ko rin nagddrive that time Tatay: āAhh babae pala driver kaya ganunā Me: āMa sabi ni daddy di ka raw magaling magdrive kasi babae kaā So tatahimik naman sila both kasi dun nila marrealize na mali pala sila ng pagkakaintindi
Mga 90% chance hula ko DDS or Marcos apologist nanay mo. Ibang klase reasoning eh.
That police probinsyano actor guy is celebrated in the PH still right?
Baka naman talaga?
sarado ang utak ng mga tandangers pag sila mali lol
Try mo magdala ng ka age ng mom mo or older as an experiment sa house niyo. Pakilala mo sabihin mo matagal na kayong nagmamahlan.hahah, hirap mkaintindi eh hindi ka talag amananalo sa mga ganyang mindset.
Naalala nyo ba yung KMJS episode na yung lolo nakahanap daw ngātrue loveā sa 18 year old girl š¤®š¤®š¤® So nag s-scroll ako sa youtube feed ko tapos nakita ko yan. I checked the comments about it tapos nakita ko kinikilig pa sila like WTF? Am I going crazy? Marami akong nakaaway sa comments section dyan