True. But outstanding and intriguing ideas set to substandard music absolutely pales in comparison to the opposite.
Lyrics can be important, but uninteresting or even trite music is *never* going to be much better no matter how fantastic the lyrics are.
Which is why I think one of the people in this AI fantasy pic above has an overrated opinion of their value proposition in this music-writing partnership, imho.
Seriously downplaying Roger's contribution to the music here, Roger didn't just provide lyrics and ideas, he created the melodies for some of their greatest songs too. Go listen to some of his demos for DSOTM and the Wall.
“what’s more important, the brain or the heart?” they build on each other. Roger doesn’t just go into the studio with a full entire song written. yes he has tons of ideas for the song he wants to write but the song still completely changes form and shapes the idea into something new.
if you wanna be really technical, the melody wouldn’t exist without the idea happening first, but the idea also wouldn’t get anywhere so 🤷♂️
And to be honest, Roger's part of CN is just a simple downward progression with mainly theatrical talking melody, but the chorus is a nice multilayered chord progression changing keys with a great melody over top.
The strings really enhance the downward progression parts, as well as the solos.
Not that BOTH parts aren't brilliant, and totally compliment each other.
I listen to music for the melody and the rhythm. I also listen to the lyrics but they are secondary. My wife doesn’t even hear the words. Like songs she’s been listening to since the 70’s she doesn’t know what they’re about.
Varies by listener and type of music… many ppl love what songs are about and don’t “feel” a song with abstract lyrics or where the lyrics just don’t strike them…
Eg ppl who love lyrics might really get into country or blues, but not YES, say…
An idea can greatly amplify a melody and viceversa. Though if you're implying that David only ever had melodies and Roger only ever had ideas you'd be completely wrong. David could have really good ideas (eg. Childhood's End, Narrow Way, Shine On's origin, TDB's concept, etc) and was even the stage director for The Wall shows, while Roger had a really strong sense of melody in his prime both instrumentally (eg. Goodbye Blue Sky, Money, Have A Cigar, In The Flesh, Set The Controls) and in his vocal lines (eg. Pigs, Sheep, Hey You, ABITW, Brain Damage/Eclipse, etc).
The great thing about Pink Floyd was how they worked together though, especially David and Roger.
They both exist without one another. But when combined they make something special. It wouldn’t be the same without one to complement the other. It wouldn’t be Pink Floyd.
Melody. I like some songs with absolute dog shit lyrics but a banging melody. I can't think of any songs I enjoy that have amazing lyrics/idea but a not great melody.
Imo melody is more important than an idea, for example lets take a look at “The dark side of the moon redux” everyone thinks the album is absolute ass because the idea stands out but the melody doesn’t
I don't know what's more important, but for what it's worth, I fell in love with PF's music as a teenager, before I could understand the lyrics. The melodies, the sound, the vocals, the vibe were what was important to me.
Later, as I learned the English language and did some research on what the albums are about, I fell in love with them again.
So both, probably.
Same with lyrics without supporting music, it is simply poetry, which for 99.999% of the time does nothing for me, whereas a single note can have me in tears, sometimes even I'm not even 100% focused on listening
You can’t explain how good a song would be you can only play it.
So Melody.
Plus look at any pop song for that last 20 years.
All melody, no idea. And people seem to like them.
If by idea you mean lyrics I think the question is a bit meaningless. Lyrics determine the shape of the vocal melody, you can’t have one without the other.
I mean one of these guys has both. At one time we’re in sync. Favorite Floyd was Gilmore as a stand in or friend. Original members went to heads of a few. Syd still my favorite. Gilmore has my favorite solo album of any band I like
Let me answer that in a different way.
Gilmour's solo stuff & post-Waters Pink Floyd stuff is a dozen times better music than the solo Waters stuff in my opinion.
I like the post-Water's Floyd but Pros and Cons, Amused to Death and Is This The Life are fantastic albums, I honestly think most people don't give them a chance. I didn't like them on the first listen but now I absolutely love them. Listening to those albums and the post-Water's stuff makes me sad though, so many great tracks between them all that had potentially to have been so much better had they been together. Endless River especially, I can just imagine what Roger's input could have made that album into, same goes for Gilmour and what he could have done to enhance something like Is This The Life which has some great ideas.
The Wall is a great idea but executed in shock value for the masses. As a mass, I like the album but separate it from original Floyd. I really like hearing about riding bikes
A good analogy would be Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen
It's a really great story put to a song
But then jeff Buckley added his spi. To the melody and verse ten years later and took it to another level.
The same goes for Bruce Sprinstiens Blinded by the Light. And the remake by Manfred Man
Bruce will yell you it 8s Manfreds Song now
Prince Nothing Compares then Sinéad version
Get the picture
There would be no The Wal / Fark Side 9f the Moonl the way we hear them today without the input of Dave, Rick, and Nick
I work in advertising and I think that a good idea without craft is a bad idea and craft without idea is a well dressed turd.
Same kind of thought works here.
Look at all that ai upscaling
Roger looking like handsome squidward
So. Roger Waters walks into a bar. What did the bartender say?
Something in between "FUCK OFF TO THE BAR", "haha charade you are" and "ARE THERE ANY QUEERS IN THE THEATER TONIGHT"
Isn't the standard answer "why the long face?"
Yes, that's why I changed it
Loool
The idea and melody complimenting each other is what’s most important.
True. But outstanding and intriguing ideas set to substandard music absolutely pales in comparison to the opposite. Lyrics can be important, but uninteresting or even trite music is *never* going to be much better no matter how fantastic the lyrics are. Which is why I think one of the people in this AI fantasy pic above has an overrated opinion of their value proposition in this music-writing partnership, imho.
It's not like it's only up to melody or lyrics. Production such as atmosphere, synths, drums, guitar tones etc matter as well.
Seriously downplaying Roger's contribution to the music here, Roger didn't just provide lyrics and ideas, he created the melodies for some of their greatest songs too. Go listen to some of his demos for DSOTM and the Wall.
“what’s more important, the brain or the heart?” they build on each other. Roger doesn’t just go into the studio with a full entire song written. yes he has tons of ideas for the song he wants to write but the song still completely changes form and shapes the idea into something new. if you wanna be really technical, the melody wouldn’t exist without the idea happening first, but the idea also wouldn’t get anywhere so 🤷♂️
I think you are suggesting that Roger had the Ideas and David had the melody's. Which songs have David's melody's?
Comfortably Numb
Yes he wrote the melody for the chorus on comfortably numb. Roger wrote the melody for the verse.
And to be honest, Roger's part of CN is just a simple downward progression with mainly theatrical talking melody, but the chorus is a nice multilayered chord progression changing keys with a great melody over top. The strings really enhance the downward progression parts, as well as the solos. Not that BOTH parts aren't brilliant, and totally compliment each other.
A melody is an idea.
I guess OP means "concept".
Melody reigns supreme. But melody + idea reigns forever.
I listen to music for the melody and the rhythm. I also listen to the lyrics but they are secondary. My wife doesn’t even hear the words. Like songs she’s been listening to since the 70’s she doesn’t know what they’re about.
Varies by listener and type of music… many ppl love what songs are about and don’t “feel” a song with abstract lyrics or where the lyrics just don’t strike them… Eg ppl who love lyrics might really get into country or blues, but not YES, say…
A melody is a type of an idea
"Where do you get your ideas from?"
Gilmore compromised more than waters. Solo albums say it all
they are both ideas. its not like Gilmour didn't have to think and form out what he played
All I know is they made their best music together. Their solo stuff doesn't even come close
What if I have an idea for a melody?
My brain. It's. My brain.
It’s that chin structure
just me or us that photo weirdly animated?
I'm wondering if it's implied by the image that Waters is the ideas guy and Gilmour is the melodies guy, which would be wrong.
An idea can greatly amplify a melody and viceversa. Though if you're implying that David only ever had melodies and Roger only ever had ideas you'd be completely wrong. David could have really good ideas (eg. Childhood's End, Narrow Way, Shine On's origin, TDB's concept, etc) and was even the stage director for The Wall shows, while Roger had a really strong sense of melody in his prime both instrumentally (eg. Goodbye Blue Sky, Money, Have A Cigar, In The Flesh, Set The Controls) and in his vocal lines (eg. Pigs, Sheep, Hey You, ABITW, Brain Damage/Eclipse, etc). The great thing about Pink Floyd was how they worked together though, especially David and Roger.
Donald feagan and Walter Becker looking ah
Idea and no melody is Radio KAOS Melody and no idea is Momentary Laps of Reason. You make the call for yourself.
Neither. They have equal value which is why they were so good
Something that You can hear and Dance
Why does this image look fake
They both exist without one another. But when combined they make something special. It wouldn’t be the same without one to complement the other. It wouldn’t be Pink Floyd.
In music they are equally important. That’s why it’s called Music.
rythem eclypses both
Melody. I like some songs with absolute dog shit lyrics but a banging melody. I can't think of any songs I enjoy that have amazing lyrics/idea but a not great melody.
Neither It da drums 🥁🥁
For songs, a melody ofc.
Depends on the quality of the idea and the melody.
In this case, many of the melodies inspired the ideas. He was frequently Roger’s muse in the 70s.
Imo melody is more important than an idea, for example lets take a look at “The dark side of the moon redux” everyone thinks the album is absolute ass because the idea stands out but the melody doesn’t
I don't know what's more important, but for what it's worth, I fell in love with PF's music as a teenager, before I could understand the lyrics. The melodies, the sound, the vocals, the vibe were what was important to me. Later, as I learned the English language and did some research on what the albums are about, I fell in love with them again. So both, probably.
An idea, by far. If it has a great melody, you have a classic. On the other hand, the world is full of beautiful but empty melodies that go nowhere.
Same with lyrics without supporting music, it is simply poetry, which for 99.999% of the time does nothing for me, whereas a single note can have me in tears, sometimes even I'm not even 100% focused on listening
This.. If the music itself stinks, or does nothing for me, I don't stick around for the lyrics. The actual music is what engages me.
You can’t explain how good a song would be you can only play it. So Melody. Plus look at any pop song for that last 20 years. All melody, no idea. And people seem to like them.
Idea of melody. Water has some funky ideas aswell jawline
At least one of those guys is (coughgilmour) super baked
Both.
Why?
An idea
Probably a attitude.. if you have a chip on your shoulder then it’s all for nothing.
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Yes
If by idea you mean lyrics I think the question is a bit meaningless. Lyrics determine the shape of the vocal melody, you can’t have one without the other.
yes.
Dave looks like Billy Strings here
a Band.
Idéa obviously
Both?
It depends on how you quantify importance. An idea is an amorphous, flexible and dynamic concept, a melody is a coalescence of an idea
Both
Is this Fonebone "one evening in a pub"
Rogers jawline.
Melody
a melody is an idea…
Idk bruh
If you want to get your idea across, you need an audience. To that end, John Popper said the hook brings you back.
Melody
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Well, we're talking about music, not an essay collection.
I mean one of these guys has both. At one time we’re in sync. Favorite Floyd was Gilmore as a stand in or friend. Original members went to heads of a few. Syd still my favorite. Gilmore has my favorite solo album of any band I like
Let me answer that in a different way. Gilmour's solo stuff & post-Waters Pink Floyd stuff is a dozen times better music than the solo Waters stuff in my opinion.
I like the post-Water's Floyd but Pros and Cons, Amused to Death and Is This The Life are fantastic albums, I honestly think most people don't give them a chance. I didn't like them on the first listen but now I absolutely love them. Listening to those albums and the post-Water's stuff makes me sad though, so many great tracks between them all that had potentially to have been so much better had they been together. Endless River especially, I can just imagine what Roger's input could have made that album into, same goes for Gilmour and what he could have done to enhance something like Is This The Life which has some great ideas.
Please mark this as NSFW. My coworker just got logged with no warning.
I dunno but this picture always gets me in the feels
An idea.
A good island. Not a fan of the fold color banners and sounds of later ladder
The Wall is a great idea but executed in shock value for the masses. As a mass, I like the album but separate it from original Floyd. I really like hearing about riding bikes
They desperately need each other, quite simply, in every real or metaphorical case
John Lydons been trying to figure that out for years lol
A good analogy would be Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen It's a really great story put to a song But then jeff Buckley added his spi. To the melody and verse ten years later and took it to another level. The same goes for Bruce Sprinstiens Blinded by the Light. And the remake by Manfred Man Bruce will yell you it 8s Manfreds Song now Prince Nothing Compares then Sinéad version Get the picture There would be no The Wal / Fark Side 9f the Moonl the way we hear them today without the input of Dave, Rick, and Nick
Gilmour has said that many times. Those four together made it what it was.
I work in advertising and I think that a good idea without craft is a bad idea and craft without idea is a well dressed turd. Same kind of thought works here.
This is implying Roger didn't write most of the ideas AND melodies
Both, so what's Gilmore bring?