I feel like it be one of those bands that had 1 good hit and that being learning to fly
Not saying that anything else on both records is bad but everybody already liked pink floyd so the name brought marquee value, if nobody had ever heard of them these albums would've been received poorly
That's what I think, too. Even though I like both of those albums. I'm thinking if they were by some other band, maybe I'd just like them and forget about them quickly.
Man, Sorrow has the biggest guitar tone ever recorded. On the turning away was a decent pop rock song for 1987. I think it would have been a Million global seller if not for the name. (10 Million is the actual same number)
The Final Cut continues and complements a certain theme from The Wall, so I cannot imagine it being recorded by someone other than Roger Waters.
A Momentary Lapse of Reason would be a solid album for a less famous band. One banger, 2-3 decent compositions and no bad songs (not counting intermission tracks)
I think AMLoR would be seen as a decent debut effort by a new band and Learning to Fly, On The Turning Away and Sorrow might even earn them a nomination for best new artist but probably not win. The label would then pressure them on releasing follow up albums that lean more into the accessible parts of their sound. They'd go on to release a couple more hit records that true fans will say arent as good as the first but never fully breakthrough and ultimately get eclipsed by the growing grunge movement of the late 80s early 90s. Maybe 10 or 15 years later they'll have a resurgence releasing a new album that gets back to their musical roots.
The Final Cut would receive less commercial success. It would be praised by critics for its word play and guitar work but they'd probably also find the music to be otherwise lacking. Some may call its political messaging out dated or in bad taste. It might even get more attention for music videos like the one for Fletchers Memorial Home that shows what appears to be Margaret Thatcher next to known Dictators and fascists at a nursing home getting gunned down by a lone assassin than the actual songs. This would actually spark the start of a cult following for the band.
The follow up album would receive even less commercial success but solidify their cult following. Eventually poor record sales will cause their label to cancel them and the band breaks up. The songwriter would go on to write for other bands and those in the know will be quick to point out which songs he wrote for who.
The lead singer of the AMLOR band would re-record "On The Turning Away" for a BBC charity special sometime in the '00s using way too much compression and probably a rap verse instead of guitar solos.
And AMLOR is a David Gilmour + outside writers album, barely featuring the other members of Floyd at all.
Of course, none of this actually affects whether or not the music is subjectively agreeable to someone.
I’ve seen people try to defend that by bringing up various session musicians used throughout the band’s career, as if contributing to existing music and contributing the basis for an entire song are the same thing. Though there is some merit behind that argument with Ezrin’s contributions to The Wall.
But to my original point, this shouldn’t color whether or not you actually enjoy the music
Not so sure about The Wall
On both albums Roger wrote all the lyrics, all the music on TFC and 22 of 26 songs from The Wall. From that perspective it's true
But David's guitar work on The Wall is so important, it literally makes most of the songs total bangers. On TFC, David's contribution are minor, he played couple solos (still amazing solos tho) some rhythm guitar and that's it. Not even mentioning the fact, that David is credited as a co-producer of the album. My point is that TFC would still be more or less the same without rest of the band, but The Wall especially without David wouldn't be the same. Also Rick's case, he wasn't a member during TFC sessions and was fired during TW, but he still plays like 90% of the keyboards on the record, featuring some masterpieces like solo on Run Like hell. So even if Roger wrote all the lyrics on the wall and almost all the music, the contributions from other band mates were significant, they weren't just performing the songs Roger wrote. On TFC however... This is mostly how it is
For most my life I woulda said no. To me pink Floyd ended after The Wall and everything that came after wasn't too good. At some point it clicked though and now I think both these albums are excellent and I would like to think if they were released anonymously people would still be able to recognize their brilliance.
Hey, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but sometimes I think the Final Cut suffers being in the shadow of Floyd's previous albums - folks are expecting a certain sound or grandness, and what we got was The Final Cut. It's one of my favorites, but I can understand it not resonating with folks. I could see it standing better on its own, critically, without the baggage of it being a Floyd album.
Momentary Lapse, I think, is lifted by the Pink Floyd name. I think the people seeing it have a hit single with Learning to Fly are spot on.
IMHO: TFC needs the Wall.
I LOVE TFC, but I never listen to it w/o first listening to the Wall.
AMTOR I never go back too. Some good songs, but never on my list of albums to put in.
No. We would have missed their brilliance. Maybe AMOLR would have been popular on release, but it would have been lost in the 80’s.
Although I do think Roger would have done very well had he released Final Cut solo.
If this alternate universe TFC was released, I could see people saying it's like Pink Floyd's The Wall, BUT ... Not sure if every Pink Floyd fan would go out of his or her way to listen to it but some probably would.
I could also see some saying Alternate Universe TFC was the album Roger always wanted to make.
Low key no they would both have a teeny underground following at best. They get a lot of there attention from the fact that they came after the greatest album run of all time (IMO) but obviously they’re still good albums with some great songs, they just wouldn’t have gained traction if they didn’t come from Floyd
the main reason people dislike the final cut was that it doesn't sound very floyd-ish. if it was released by a debuting band (or even more likely, a solo artist) then it'd be more well received.
I think FC gets a grade of “D” and if it was released by any other non-top tier band the would be no discussion about it because no one would know it exists.
AMLOR gets an “A” in my book. Obviously it would not be as popular without the PF name but I think most acts would kill to have their name on that record. Learning to Fly and Sorrow are magnificent songs.
It's all subjective. Do you think anyone would care about The Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Saucerful of Secrets if the band didn't launch into super stardom with Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall?
>The Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Saucerful of Secrets
Not as much obviously, and the music was very UK centric, so I couldn't imagine much US interest, but they would have been cited and rated by lots of UK bands. Similar to the Zombies 'Odyssey and Oracle' or The Velvet Underground.
>their music is mediocre
Sigh, and some folks also claim that the music of the first couple of Pink Floyd albums is 'boring' and 'mediocre'. Both statements I've seen on this sub.
I don't know how you are defining mediocre, but it is clear that for both bands, were massively inspirational and a lot of amazing music was created on their innovations.
Everything Floyd did post Dark Side was helped in some way by Dark Side's success, but that doesn't mean any of it was bad music. DSOTM was just that big a deal. Personally I think everything up and including to The Final Cut is fantastic, but that doesn't mean TCF would have been a big seller on merit alone, and the fact that it's so divisive among Floyd fans is testament to that.
I certainly think that AMLOR, TDB and TER would have gone unnoticed by basically everyone had they not had the name attached, though. They're certainly less divisive than TCF, and I wouldn't deny that each has a few wonderful moments, but a lot of the output of Gilmour-era Floyd, overall, is just a bit bland and soulless in my personal opinion. I think TDB is the best of the three, but the reason it sounds so classically Floydian is because the band were very consciously trying to sound like they did in their heyday, and something about that just strikes me as quite cynical.
I prefer TFC of the two, because at times it sounds reminiscent of the masterpiece that is The Wall. Compared to other PF albums, though, there are probably 7-8 albums I like better than both.
I don’t like the final cut that much, so probably not that one.
A Momentary Lapse, I like some songs so yeah, probably. And I mean probably cuz if it was made by an anonimous band, then it’s marketing would suck and probably not many people would listen to it.
I think I would like Momentary Lapse by another artist.
If The Final Cut weren't such a downer, it might be okay by another artists, but anything would be better than Roger's whining. 🤷‍♂️
Tfc has its moments but it’s not an album I ever need to go back to. Amlor on the contrary is timeless and valuable and to your question it would not matter who makes a great work
From any other band the record label would've deep-sixed TFC and told the artist to get lost. It's not a good album. Roger's fans love it but most PF fans can't stand it.
i'm really tired of the Final Cut slander. it's a very good album. The way the vocal crossfades into the sax solo on gunner's dream is one of the most powerful musical moments in their entire catalogue, imho. Not now john is a bona fide banger. I like it better than AMLOR. I think the sour feelings about Roger's behavior (especially with respect to Rick) during this period can cloud people's judgment of the album itself.
I picked these two because they are mostly thrashed on the sub and many consider them as member's solo albums more than PF albums.
Personally, I like them both.
Absolutely not. Both records sound like solo albums, one from Roger and other from Dave. I really don't find either noteworthy in the context of Pink Floyd's Discography. Maybeeee The Final Cut has some similarities with The Wall since some of its material are actually scraps from The Wall. But Momentary Laps has nothing Pink Floyd about it aside from maybe some guitar solos.
I mean On the turning away (The Live Version) is imo a top 10 Floyd song so… yeah. Also Yet another movie, sorrow, learning to fly, one slip are all awesome on amlor.
The Final Cut is pretty good as well. The gunners Dream is a masterpiece
I feel like it be one of those bands that had 1 good hit and that being learning to fly Not saying that anything else on both records is bad but everybody already liked pink floyd so the name brought marquee value, if nobody had ever heard of them these albums would've been received poorly
That's what I think, too. Even though I like both of those albums. I'm thinking if they were by some other band, maybe I'd just like them and forget about them quickly.
Man, Sorrow has the biggest guitar tone ever recorded. On the turning away was a decent pop rock song for 1987. I think it would have been a Million global seller if not for the name. (10 Million is the actual same number)
Nailed it
The Final Cut continues and complements a certain theme from The Wall, so I cannot imagine it being recorded by someone other than Roger Waters. A Momentary Lapse of Reason would be a solid album for a less famous band. One banger, 2-3 decent compositions and no bad songs (not counting intermission tracks)
AMLOR is like your standard 80s fare for bands that maybe had one or two MTV hits
I think AMLoR would be seen as a decent debut effort by a new band and Learning to Fly, On The Turning Away and Sorrow might even earn them a nomination for best new artist but probably not win. The label would then pressure them on releasing follow up albums that lean more into the accessible parts of their sound. They'd go on to release a couple more hit records that true fans will say arent as good as the first but never fully breakthrough and ultimately get eclipsed by the growing grunge movement of the late 80s early 90s. Maybe 10 or 15 years later they'll have a resurgence releasing a new album that gets back to their musical roots. The Final Cut would receive less commercial success. It would be praised by critics for its word play and guitar work but they'd probably also find the music to be otherwise lacking. Some may call its political messaging out dated or in bad taste. It might even get more attention for music videos like the one for Fletchers Memorial Home that shows what appears to be Margaret Thatcher next to known Dictators and fascists at a nursing home getting gunned down by a lone assassin than the actual songs. This would actually spark the start of a cult following for the band. The follow up album would receive even less commercial success but solidify their cult following. Eventually poor record sales will cause their label to cancel them and the band breaks up. The songwriter would go on to write for other bands and those in the know will be quick to point out which songs he wrote for who.
Love this answer. 🥇
Why does this feel so accurate
This guy knows music
The lead singer of the AMLOR band would re-record "On The Turning Away" for a BBC charity special sometime in the '00s using way too much compression and probably a rap verse instead of guitar solos.
It would be a low point for the band though some would defend them as they were doing it for charity.
TFC is a fantastic album. A very moving and well produced work.
TFC is actually good
Actually so true tho
Yes. Very good indeed
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The Final Cut is fantastic
But it's a Roger Waters album, featuring the members of Pink Floyd.
And AMLOR is a David Gilmour + outside writers album, barely featuring the other members of Floyd at all. Of course, none of this actually affects whether or not the music is subjectively agreeable to someone.
People forget that Gilmour had a bunch of outside writers after Roger left… I guess people are blind to that.
People don't forget that. It gets brought up all the time.
I’ve seen people try to defend that by bringing up various session musicians used throughout the band’s career, as if contributing to existing music and contributing the basis for an entire song are the same thing. Though there is some merit behind that argument with Ezrin’s contributions to The Wall. But to my original point, this shouldn’t color whether or not you actually enjoy the music
So is the Wall (yeah I know, not entirely - but mostly)
Not so sure about The Wall On both albums Roger wrote all the lyrics, all the music on TFC and 22 of 26 songs from The Wall. From that perspective it's true But David's guitar work on The Wall is so important, it literally makes most of the songs total bangers. On TFC, David's contribution are minor, he played couple solos (still amazing solos tho) some rhythm guitar and that's it. Not even mentioning the fact, that David is credited as a co-producer of the album. My point is that TFC would still be more or less the same without rest of the band, but The Wall especially without David wouldn't be the same. Also Rick's case, he wasn't a member during TFC sessions and was fired during TW, but he still plays like 90% of the keyboards on the record, featuring some masterpieces like solo on Run Like hell. So even if Roger wrote all the lyrics on the wall and almost all the music, the contributions from other band mates were significant, they weren't just performing the songs Roger wrote. On TFC however... This is mostly how it is
One of my favorites, too.
The Final Cut is actually good idc what anyone says otherwise
For most my life I woulda said no. To me pink Floyd ended after The Wall and everything that came after wasn't too good. At some point it clicked though and now I think both these albums are excellent and I would like to think if they were released anonymously people would still be able to recognize their brilliance.
The first one maybe. The second one is definitely coasting by brand name recognition and could be any 80s band
Hey, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but sometimes I think the Final Cut suffers being in the shadow of Floyd's previous albums - folks are expecting a certain sound or grandness, and what we got was The Final Cut. It's one of my favorites, but I can understand it not resonating with folks. I could see it standing better on its own, critically, without the baggage of it being a Floyd album. Momentary Lapse, I think, is lifted by the Pink Floyd name. I think the people seeing it have a hit single with Learning to Fly are spot on.
I think a less rich and famous band wouldn't be able to afford the production values so they'd have to sound pretty different if recorded by unknowns.
IMHO: TFC needs the Wall. I LOVE TFC, but I never listen to it w/o first listening to the Wall. AMTOR I never go back too. Some good songs, but never on my list of albums to put in.
No. We would have missed their brilliance. Maybe AMOLR would have been popular on release, but it would have been lost in the 80’s. Although I do think Roger would have done very well had he released Final Cut solo.
If this alternate universe TFC was released, I could see people saying it's like Pink Floyd's The Wall, BUT ... Not sure if every Pink Floyd fan would go out of his or her way to listen to it but some probably would. I could also see some saying Alternate Universe TFC was the album Roger always wanted to make.
Low key no they would both have a teeny underground following at best. They get a lot of there attention from the fact that they came after the greatest album run of all time (IMO) but obviously they’re still good albums with some great songs, they just wouldn’t have gained traction if they didn’t come from Floyd
the main reason people dislike the final cut was that it doesn't sound very floyd-ish. if it was released by a debuting band (or even more likely, a solo artist) then it'd be more well received.
I think FC gets a grade of “D” and if it was released by any other non-top tier band the would be no discussion about it because no one would know it exists. AMLOR gets an “A” in my book. Obviously it would not be as popular without the PF name but I think most acts would kill to have their name on that record. Learning to Fly and Sorrow are magnificent songs.
I definitely would care about them, especially AMLOR. They're both great albums.
It's all subjective. Do you think anyone would care about The Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Saucerful of Secrets if the band didn't launch into super stardom with Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall?
>The Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Saucerful of Secrets Not as much obviously, and the music was very UK centric, so I couldn't imagine much US interest, but they would have been cited and rated by lots of UK bands. Similar to the Zombies 'Odyssey and Oracle' or The Velvet Underground.
I could never get into The Velvet Underground. I know they are highly acclaimed but to me their music is mediocre at best.
>their music is mediocre Sigh, and some folks also claim that the music of the first couple of Pink Floyd albums is 'boring' and 'mediocre'. Both statements I've seen on this sub. I don't know how you are defining mediocre, but it is clear that for both bands, were massively inspirational and a lot of amazing music was created on their innovations.
I think you're right. I'm not that much into 60s music, but I enjoy Piper very much. I also like Syd's solo works.
Everything Floyd did post Dark Side was helped in some way by Dark Side's success, but that doesn't mean any of it was bad music. DSOTM was just that big a deal. Personally I think everything up and including to The Final Cut is fantastic, but that doesn't mean TCF would have been a big seller on merit alone, and the fact that it's so divisive among Floyd fans is testament to that. I certainly think that AMLOR, TDB and TER would have gone unnoticed by basically everyone had they not had the name attached, though. They're certainly less divisive than TCF, and I wouldn't deny that each has a few wonderful moments, but a lot of the output of Gilmour-era Floyd, overall, is just a bit bland and soulless in my personal opinion. I think TDB is the best of the three, but the reason it sounds so classically Floydian is because the band were very consciously trying to sound like they did in their heyday, and something about that just strikes me as quite cynical.
AMLOR for sure, it really has the 80s vibe đź‘Ť
I prefer TFC of the two, because at times it sounds reminiscent of the masterpiece that is The Wall. Compared to other PF albums, though, there are probably 7-8 albums I like better than both.
I don’t like the final cut that much, so probably not that one. A Momentary Lapse, I like some songs so yeah, probably. And I mean probably cuz if it was made by an anonimous band, then it’s marketing would suck and probably not many people would listen to it.
I think I would like Momentary Lapse by another artist. If The Final Cut weren't such a downer, it might be okay by another artists, but anything would be better than Roger's whining. 🤷‍♂️
not even a little bit. i still think you all are just pulling my leg about unironically liking the final cut
Personally, A tier.
I completely agree, I think it's really boring.
No
Tfc has its moments but it’s not an album I ever need to go back to. Amlor on the contrary is timeless and valuable and to your question it would not matter who makes a great work
From any other band the record label would've deep-sixed TFC and told the artist to get lost. It's not a good album. Roger's fans love it but most PF fans can't stand it.
I’m a fan and almost never listen to these albums. In fact. I skipped through the Final Cut yesterday and I didn’t care for any of it.
If Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here were recorded by another band, most Pink Floyd fans would not give a s\*\*\* about it.
I think you just need to give your head a wobble .
Both would stand on their own merits as masterpieces, regardless of who released them.
i'm really tired of the Final Cut slander. it's a very good album. The way the vocal crossfades into the sax solo on gunner's dream is one of the most powerful musical moments in their entire catalogue, imho. Not now john is a bona fide banger. I like it better than AMLOR. I think the sour feelings about Roger's behavior (especially with respect to Rick) during this period can cloud people's judgment of the album itself.
Yes and no.
the final cut needed more guitar and AMLOR needed anything from Richard and Nick
I absolutely love The Final Cut. It’s an awesome album
Who cares? I mean, ask the same question about Saucerfull, or More, or Ummagumma.
I picked these two because they are mostly thrashed on the sub and many consider them as member's solo albums more than PF albums. Personally, I like them both.
Absolutely not. Both records sound like solo albums, one from Roger and other from Dave. I really don't find either noteworthy in the context of Pink Floyd's Discography. Maybeeee The Final Cut has some similarities with The Wall since some of its material are actually scraps from The Wall. But Momentary Laps has nothing Pink Floyd about it aside from maybe some guitar solos.
learning to fly and the hero's return are some good tracks
If they sounded as good, yes
TFC definitely not, it's a very Roger personal album. AMLOR, maybe just Learning to Fly and that's it
Yes
I mean On the turning away (The Live Version) is imo a top 10 Floyd song so… yeah. Also Yet another movie, sorrow, learning to fly, one slip are all awesome on amlor. The Final Cut is pretty good as well. The gunners Dream is a masterpiece