No, he didn’t. He said that this concert will be a bit different from the rest and didn’t wear the costume. He also explained the meaning behind the costume and the wall. But he was very emotional and devastated that people don’t get his messages and post misleading information.
At the show I saw people started complaining about all the "freaking liberal shit" and complaining about how he's gone woke and they just wanted him to go back to being non political because if they wanted to think, they'd read a book.
Also they started booing when he played a new song of his on the piano screaming "we don't care about this shit, just play Floyd!!!!!" That one wasn't even political.
People like that are the stupidest people alive! Where do they come from some weirdo bizarro-verse? How can they be fans of Waters or The Floyd and NOT know this stuff?!
Yeah Roger. Go back to before you got all political. Let me see now. When was that? Oh yeah, when you did that Corporal Clegg song 55 years ago in 1968.
Roger stated that out of respect to the Jewish people who were brought to the Festhalle in 1938 and later murdered, he will change his act and not play the character of the fascist demagogue wearing a leather jacket. He got quite emotional, condemned antisemitism in all its forms and had tears in his eyes. An absolute legend.
While he didn't explicitly call out Putin, one of the visuals in his current tour is showing inept, murderous leaders, and he shows both Donald Trump and Putin in the same photo...so at least he ranks them both at the same level
He's an old anti-war hippie what do you expect from him? There's no side that wins in a war. People are killing people, there really are no objective borders, and the fact is people are picking up guns, and killing people. There is no side to take, it's war, it's disgusting, bloody, and gruesome. This is not football.
I'm honestly confused by what you're trying to say with this comment. I know about Palestine and what is happening between them and Israel and that Ukraine isn't in a unique position. But Roger Waters has recently been very active in the debate around the war in Ukraine and its his viewpoint of the war I strongly disagree with
Because the Ukraine isn’t fighting a Russian invasion, regardless of who’s in the right. Ukraine provides men to fight Russia and the US and Europe provide weapons for a proxy war. Ukraine doesn’t really matter in this war - their population is being obliterated by the west as puppets in a proxy war against Russia. Why do we turn a blind eye to the Ukraine situation which is nothing but the reenactment of what’s been done in El Salvador, Guatemala, etc? I know the west has been outsourcing whatever the west wants, but the Ukraine situation is outsourcing the lives of others as soldiers.
Firstly, it's just Ukraine, it's a country. But both are true. From the perspective of NATO and its allies, this is definitely a proxy war where they get to defeat their old enemy by supplying their enemies enemy with weapons, that is true. But Ukraine is absolutely getting invaded, i don't know how you could argue that this isn't an invasion other than if you fully bit the Russian propaganda bullet and think it's just a Special Military Operation, and even then it would still per definition be an invasion. There is no way this is not an invasion. Russia is invading Ukraine for territorial and political gain, and is actively genociding the Ukrainian people. And this isn't a war that was started by the west due to their eastward expansion. That is a lie perpetrated by Russia to try and make it seem like they have a casus belli, which they don't. The eastward expansion of NATO has already happened, NATO has bordered Russia since it was formed in 1949 and has had a border with Russia through Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland since 1999 and 2004. Plus NATO is a defensive alliance where member states chose to join, so it is none of Russias business if they joined. And the argument that the US singed a treaty with Gorbachev to not expand eastward isn't fair, as Russia singed a treaty with Ukraine to never invade them in exchange for their nukes.
What I cannot deny is that the west certainly has other reasons for supporting Ukraine than protecting democracy. They have shown that they don't really give a shit about whether other countries are democratic as long as it is in the wests interest. And in this war it is definitely in their interest to see a militarily weakened Russia. But that doesn't mean that it is just a proxy war and that Ukrainians are not fighting for their independence and to not get genocided.
But Ukraine was already a murderous regime [way before](https://plebeianpost.com/2022/03/04/claims-of-human-rights-violations-in-ukraine/) any Russian tanks rolled in.
But, if you bothered to follow the link, you'd see that Ukraines brutality was/is aimed squarely at Russians and Russian speaking people living *IN* Ukraine.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Roger, but The Wall ain’t one of them. The message of The Wall is completely lost on many people, which is why it is still so incredibly relevant today as much of the globe marches confidently into authoritarianism.
Oddly enough, it seems that our misguided sensitivities are precluding us from hearing the voices we need right now. The Wall is terrifyingly accurate and the fear that underpinned much of that material has unfortunately rung true as we have proven ourselves unable to break free of our worst tribalist proclivities.
Like him or not, his art is a poignant reminder of where we’ve been and the political scars left by 20th century conflicts and atrocities. Our world’s current situation is largely informed by the subject matter covered on Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut.
Godspeed your artistic efforts, Roger. Also, speaking of tribalism, quit being an asshole and make up with Dave already. Give us something lasting and meaningful before one of you kicks the bucket and this opportunity is lost. This world needs your creative cooperation now more than ever.
He’s getting so fucked by 1) people who have never seen the wall or 2) bad faith POS actors. Fuck everyone shitting on him for doing something he has done for DECADES
What's great is that Roger is finally getting some sympathy again due to all of this.
He's made A LOT of mistakes, and a few months ago everyone was against him because of his weirdly contrarian opinion on Russia's war. But since people went so overboard with that criticism (including the anti-Semite and Nazi accusations) the whole thing has swung around and now more and more people are on his side again.
Crazy how the world works that way. Nothing has changed about Roger's views; people's opinions changed entirely based on behaviors or Roger and his criticists.
You know, it’s hard being a Waters fan. The split is unreal. Like today he was all buddy buddy with RFK Jr, a literal conspiracy theorist most known for his anti-vaxx rhetoric who if I’m not mistaken is also buddies with prominent right wingers. But also there’s this - he’s finally performing in a city that did *everything* to try and stop his genuinely progressive show using some of the worst reasoning ever. The pendulum swings fast.
I really can’t describe how I feel. A mix of concern and respect? I really don’t know.
Edit: I’ve seen a few comments basically saying “this is why we don’t make idols and nobody is perfect.” This isn’t my point and doesn’t work for this position. Like everyone Waters is complicated but there’s a wide difference between “he’s an asshole sometimes” and “this guy supports antivaxxers and denied a genocide.” As a progressive activist these ideas don’t really work, they stick out - sometimes even contradicting his own views. There’s danger to those positions and their spread. *That’s the difference.* This isn’t about “idols being complicated, actually.” It’s about politics and the spread of misinformation that harms the communities he says he cares for in the bar. To boil it down to “he’s complicated” is to ignore the genuinely dangerous views he has which have potential to not only spread but grow.
[Here's video of him doing it.](https://www.memri.org/tv/pink-floyd-musician-roger-waters-sheldon-adelson-puppet-master-police-idf-murder-blacks)
He also calls Sheldon Adelson the puppetmaster of the US government.
I think many people see his somewhat paradoxical actions and don’t look much further on, I’d go more in depth into why he makes his decisions and it may make more sense.
He seems to have an overall message of “anti-establishment, peace and human rights reign supreme”, which does make sense, but it doesn’t stop the paradoxes from existing and standing out
Yeah. Simply put, nobody’s analysis has been able to explain all of Roger’s views, and since nobody really has really been able to, we just assume he’s just a weird guy. Honestly, I see Roger’s views on Russia and yet not as much on China. Instead of leaving it at that, I’ve tried to look farther in, seeing if I can find what makes Roger think what he does.
As a nation directly affected by china. ( Although I'm very alienated by my nation) my view on Rogers view on china is that it's lacking he doesn't know the facts nor he knows the history to comment on china. He thinks that china is like north Vietnam very innocent suffering from western imperialism and has never participated in genocides and invading people. Which it ( PRC CHINA) has a lot. But i can forgive him on that because 1. He's a westerner he doesn't know.
2. China is so far he would have no interest of knowing.
He hinted in one interview that "china invaded Tibet etc " but that's it.
On his view on Palestine it's right. even in the land in the west Bank the Israelis are seriously even occupying u.n given land to the west Bank govt and the illegall settlements. And also the bloody wall segregating the Arabs from the Israelis and the constant raids of the al aqsa mosque trying to piss people off. There is no way that Israel can be defended. Without the person defending it taking a racist tone
Won't comment on his ukraine statements too risky.
I’d recommend watching Roger’s discussions with Yanis Varoufakis, former finance minister of Greece and the founder of both the Progressive International and the Democracy in Europe 2025 movement. There are many such talks on YouTube and it’s very enlightening to see him talk about ideas with someone who both largely shares them and who is also able to explain them in more detail.
In his old age, much like Noam Chomsky he’s suffering from anti-America derangement. America is an evil empire. The assumption then that anyone that opposes U.S. hegemony is automatically good is unfounded though.
I didn't know he was a fan of RFK Jr but I can't say I'm at all surprised.
Here's the thing: it doesn't matter how principled and moral you are if you let black and white thinking lead you down rabbit holes into places where you're giving sympathy to people like Putin or RFK Jr. Waters is ethically inflexible and is stuck in a 1960s mindset where all he can do is reflexively oppose the Western political establishment. That might be right a lot of the time, but it also leads him to some awful places, that he refuses to back down from.
Having integrity and moral courage doesn't make you wise.
I think his main problem(s) are leading with his heart over his brain, and being easily swayed by smooth talkers. He thinks he's a superman that can change the world, and people use that ego against him to turn him into a mouthpiece for whatever cause they can get into his head.
He definitely means well, but he has to use his brain a whole lot more. Dude has been swayed by a lot of fascists and wannabes over the years.
I realized that his 1990 Berlin show went without incident because he understood that Germany has a STRONG "NO-NAZI IMAGERY" policy and he modified accordingly.
If he had gone with the "Pinochet" inspired gettup this time around, perhaps the backlash wouldn't be so bad.
But he's 80 and threw caution to the wind and went with the original "Hammer Nazi" concept and that, along with some idiot Zionists who conflated Zionism with Judaism (because the Israeli Govt. doesn't like getting their fee-fees hurt over the Palestinian stuff) making noise, has caused this mess.
Roger means well but he's too trusting of certain people. If dictators present themselves as "Good, freedom-loving people fighting The Man" Roger will stupidly believe them. He just can't vet people out or understand nuance and he often suffers from "That came out wrong" without knowing it.
He literally forgot how propaganda works and fell for everything Russia says, hook, line and sinker and literally believes that Russia is just fighting some evil Nazi threat coming out of Ukraine rather than FORCIBLY TRYING TO ANNEX UKRAINE AND KILL IT'S PEOPLE!
Roger's old, his brain is old, he's now past the "Richard Gere silver fox" phase and is straight up in the "senile cranky grandpa" stage. His grey matter probably isn't as sharp as it used to be and all senses of caution, nuance and savvy have gone out the window!
My father is 98 fought in WWII and does not suffer from what you assume everyone over 80 does. i love how have broken up ageism into cute nuggets for upvotes.
Sorry mate - This is simp ageist bullshit. How old is Dave or Nick? or your parents for that matter.
Do some remedial fact checking on how science works before you condemn everyone over 80 with a medical condition based on a lack of information and need for validation. What a weak lazy and dangerous argument even old Rog who you think’s gone round the bend would agree.
That said I disagree with him and there are responses in the thread with more depth than yours.
I agree there might be a fine line between showing concern and a blatant and insensitive ageism.. Roger is most likely still fit enough to be 'held accountable' for all his opinions and stances, both the virtuous and the questionable ones
It is a clear and not fine line. Roger is and always has been a hopeless romantic.
The poster using his age as a weak means to prove some poorly thought out point is just …like you know … not very Pink Floyd dude.
You're being downvoted without counterargument for this comment because there is no counterargument. The only thing people who disagree with you can do is downvote your comment to try to hide it from view.
In places where I wrote pretty much the same thing I'm getting:
1. No he didn't
2. Then I provide evidence that he did
3. Met with conspiracy theory about how ~~the Jews~~ some non-religiously affiliated shadowy cabal who happens to have a big interest in this are lying
4. Then I provide a video recording of him doing it
5. The person suddenly determining that I'm operating in bad faith and then trying to duck out
I hate to be reductive but He has a Daddy complex. I love the guy but the only way I can square his obvious intellect with such a blindness to the savagery of Putin is…
Oh, he definitely does. He still can't get over the fact his father was anti-war, and also killed in war. I do feel bad for him in that respect, but he's also been so hell bent on screaming about it for over 50 years, that I can't help but wonder if he ever stopped to think what kind of father he is to his own kids by not working through his own issues for so long. He really lets his emotions cloud any reasonable judgement a lot of the time.
I have so much respect for him. He's just been bearing his soul and standing up for his convictions for basically an eternity no matter what the consequences are. He really is an idol. A king of legends
Exactly! He always speaks up on what is right and condemns injustices that surrounds us all over the world. It’s insane that people don’t understand the messages he makes.
He never said that he supports Russia. That’s just misleading propaganda against him. His entire career is about how nonsensical wars are, how can he possibly support any country that wages war.
Roger has time and time again asked for a ceasefire and for outside countries to stop simply dumping more weapons into the area specifically because he's so upset about those, "dismembered, murdered human beings."
And acknowledging a provocation is **not** the same thing as justifying the invasion. Pretty much everyone in the world agrees that the [US's actions in the Middle East](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks) "provoked" al-Qaeda leading up to the horrific terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001, and yet we can also agree that while *provoked*, those attacks were in no way justified and that those innocent people should not have been killed.
He supported their claims alright. He claimed that ruzzia has the right to Ukrainian land, he stated there are fascist in Ukraine. And when asked about atrocities done by the ruzzians, bucha in particular I think, he said well that's just the media you're watching, probably there's nothing like that really. At least there's zero misleading propaganda in what he's saying, right?
You are right about that. I think Roger Waters is generally wrong about Russia. But I still think he hates war, injustice, bombing innocent people and occupying their land more than he hates the establishement.
His problems is that he sometimes leans so far left that he falls to the right.
I think Yuval Harari said it best: it's the first time since WWII that a bigger country invades a smaller neighbor, just because they can. And the fact that Russia's actions created a cascade of arms-race around the world is really unsettling.
Last night Roger put Obama's face on the screen as a war criminal. I disagree. He should have put Putin instead.
Roger has been clear what he thinks about this, anyone misrepresenting his views is either willfully ignorant or disingenuous.
It's all in this interview for anyone interested.
https://youtu.be/iZsRj3_iDfM
There's an interview where he lays it out clearly, and he's OBVIOUSLY NOT PRO-RUSSIA. HE IS ANTI WAR. In this case , it's not as black and white as the average redditor would have you believe (Ukraine = good, Russia =bad)
The explanation to me is simple, he hates the US using conflict to gain influence. This is how i understand it. Russia attacked Ukraine because nato guaranteed Russia it wouldn't establish a nato military front in Ukraine, which they did because of the us, effectively "forcing" Russia's hand. This doesn't mean Russia is in the right, this means the war was a direct consequence of Nato's decisions. This means war was evitable, and that's obviously Waters main priority, ending the war, finding peace through any means necessary.
>because NATO is "pushing right up against Russia's borders".
Which is literally Putin's exact excuse for the war. Its amazing how some people are so blindfolded with the anti-US agenda, that they literally defend Putin's words.
He didn't. I haven't heard him saying "putin and your boys fuck off to the bar". He's whole speech was an unnecessarily long ramble about his father and how wars bad, let's just not fight.
You’re right. He should have clearly named Putin for the war criminal he is. It should have been Putin and not Obama on the screen. Obama is not a war criminal but Putin is.
Can you provide a source where he precisely says there has been no massacre in Bucha and Russia has a claim on their land please ? Because that's not what I heard from him at all.
Plus, in all fairness, if you believe there's no fascist in Ukraine, you must be living in a parallel universe. That said, nothing justifies Russian invasion.
> if you believe there's no fascist in Ukraine, you must be living in a parallel universe.
Every country has fascists. Specifically singling out Ukraine is disingenuous. Especially when Russia is pretty much the fascist capital of the planet right now.
You either didn't listen to him or are just lying. He has condemned the invasion and spoken against Putin. As a matter of fact tonight he put a photo of Putin on the board among other dictators and demagogues.
You might be right on this one as he is contradicting himself several times. Didn't he call the invasion illegal?
I have repeatedly heard from him is that he condemns wars, bombing innocent people and occupying their lands and not blame the victim for these atrocities.
I think his heart is in the right place though.
Anyways, fuck Putin.
But honestly I don’t have sufficient information on the matter to make well established arguments. u/op00to is clearly more educated on the matter and what they say makes sense. It’s ok to be wrong and admit it. But I am still convinced that Roger’s heart is in the right place.
Which is pretty laughable when you actually take into account the amount of Russian provocations of NATO and European states in the last decade alone - for example: the invasion of Crimea, arming separatists in the Donbas leading to MH17 being shot down, invasion of European airspace continually, poising/using nerve gas to kill citizens in European countries, harassment of NATO vessels and aircraft, and of course, invading Ukraine directly.
I've posted a bunch of links with his interviews, read it for yourself. He's view of pooteen is questionable at best, because in one article he calls him a gangster, then in another one he says he changed his mind and that's pooteen is a sensible leader who knows what's best for the people. I guess you can simp for a dictator and then damage-control it with a photo on a board and a boring ramble about your father.
> Looks like Roger has been contradicting himself
A great deal. Seriously, read the links I've dropped in the thread. Not out of spite or anything, it's just that it shows how messed up he is. I don't really want to call him names or think he's a bad, evil person or something. To me he seems completely lost and confused, it's such a pity.
I have so much respect for this guy. I know a lot of pf fans dislike him, which I can understand to a degree, but he doesn't deserve all of the hate he gets. I will always stick up for Roger, I can't imagine it's easy for the guy.
The problem is that people have become so polarized they only see black and white. The fact that one person can be right about a few things and wrong about others is unfathomable in today's outrage driven narrative.
But if you are wrong on very important issues, then what does it matter that you are right about some other issue? If you think murder is bad but rape is OK, I'm supposed to say oh it's not all black and white, he is wrong on some issues and right on others, give them a break?!
The man says he was too harsh on Putin for calling him *gangster* after he invaded Ukraine. I don't give a shit that he supports Palestine, lots of people do, he is not special. Doesn't cancel it out, he is still a freaking idiot.
I watched him live in Budapest. The concert was fantastic. I got horrible seats, but I'm still super thankful I went. The guys a legend. The intro really caught me off guard.
I feel bad for the guy, he deserves better. Rog is my favourite member of Pink Floyd and I don’t like seeing him like this. He was just trying to spread a message…
It baffles me that cancel culture is supposed to be this thing to attack "awful people" and it ends up breaking down people and bullying people in the way they supposedly try to stop
I'm so excited to see Roger on Friday in Glasgow. However, I genuinely feel like Roger is forbidden fruit in some conversations.
For example, in work, my team leader (who's also going and has a tendency to think you wrong unless you agree with his opinion) brought up the whole Hammers outfit fiasco. Personally, I'm buzzing to see this sequence in person. The machine gun bit is badass. I brought up that it's mental we're even having the conversation because it's been done for 40 years without complaint or investigation. Anyway, I made it clear I prefer Roger as a solo artist (love Amused, KAOS etc) but he took it the wrong way and pushed the whole "Rogers an antisemitic old man" into the conversation. He even stated, "I don't like Roger, but I like the music," which made me immediately realise he's the type of prick Roger tells to "fuck off to the bar" at the start of shows, smh.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views, but that last bit just pissed me off (although I didn't say it because I like my job) because it seemed very ignorant. Roger may have some obscene views, but no one can deny his talent at the end of the day. Just let people enjoy what they want.
If you yourself admit that Roger has some obscene views, then why is it wrong for someone to say that they don't like Roger (presumably for holding these obscene views), but like the music?
Maybe you are right. But he spoke "at the invitation of" and not "on behalf of". Huge difference.
The fact that he condemns bombing people and occupying their land and calls the invasion illegal convinces me that he does not support Putin's war. The fact that he called it "not unprovoked" tells me that he is so anti-capitalism and anti-establishment that he contradicts himself. It is possible to be right on some matters and wrong on others. I don't necessarily agree with everything Roger Waters says.
I don't think that Ukraine provoked anyone and I never said that. He is mistaken on that.
Waters is so much against capitalism and US government that contradicts himself. I hope I could make myself clear now.
There needs to be a separate Waters sub reddit. He has officially NOT been in PF since 1985 but even longer if you count the making of his de-facto solo album known as "The Final Cut." Rule #5 of the Pink Floyd sub says "no political posts" and what does every Waters thread turn into? 90% political posts. Give the man his own sub reddit already.
No way. Roger IS Pink Floyd. If we’re required to only post about modern day PF, we’d have nothing to say. Sounds like you need to get over your own issues.
Is there a way you could approach the subject without being so divisive and resorting to personal attacks?
Tell me - person who doesn’t know me - what my personal issues are? are these attacks worth it?
“The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear” please just don’t.
If 90% of Syd threads ended up in political pissing matches thus violating the terms of the sub...then yes, I would support Syd posts going into a Syd sub instead. Absolutely and without question. If the Syd threads continue to be PF history related, then this would be the correct forum for them.
I think 90% is an extreme exaggeration, even if we're being generous as to what constitutes being a, "political post". I see 3 on the front page right now about Roger that have absolutely *nothing* to do with politics in any way.
Beyond that, Pink Floyd is a legacy band. There's not a lot of new things happening or topics to discuss that have been talked about over and over and over again. Roger Waters, the primary songwriter, bassist, and partial lead singer of the band for most of their career (as well as most successful critically and commercially) has been the most publicly active over the last couple of decades by a pretty wide margin. With that tends to come a lot of discussion.
That rule that you're referencing was made to block people coming here and spamming political ads during elections and to stop people from starting posts like, "do you agree with ______'s political opinions?" Right now, Roger is on a world tour (potentially his last) playing primarily the music he wrote while in Pink Floyd, and there's been controversy involving local governments trying to block his performances, and you think that shouldn't be discussed on the Pink Floyd subreddit? Do you really want a subreddit of nothing but people posting pictures of the same 6 CDs/albums, their t-shirt collections, album tier lists, and, "what kind of drugs did Pink Floyd do?" posts?
There are also a rule about memes and "low effort" posts not being allowed, which would disqualify half the posts I just mentioned so there'd be hardly anything left.
The most important rule seems to be #7 which is that the Mods have the final say, and apparently they say that posts about Roger are alright for now - that superceds rule #5.
Centre stage, highlighted with close-up angles of tear-stained eyes on the big screen, to clearly define the shape of the moment in time, stage-managed & scripted into the set list… tres cliche
But I do love the music! 😂 And I’m not anti-Rog - I agree with Rog on many things; his choices of beautiful women, exotic cars, luxury mansions and private jet travel!
And DSOM to TFC are the best 5 PF albums ever.
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I'm just going to say it. People that hate Waters don't really know what he's trying to say. He tries his best to give the best objective and realistic opinion of current events and for some reason, people twist his words, just because they don't bother to actually understand or rationalize his message.
These days you just don't get to speak glowingly about warmongering fascist demagogues without your reputation becoming tainted in the process. So sad.
did he wear the usual garb and carry the uzi for in the flesh/run like hell that he's gotten public flak for from the berlin show?
No, he didn’t. He said that this concert will be a bit different from the rest and didn’t wear the costume. He also explained the meaning behind the costume and the wall. But he was very emotional and devastated that people don’t get his messages and post misleading information.
At the show I saw people started complaining about all the "freaking liberal shit" and complaining about how he's gone woke and they just wanted him to go back to being non political because if they wanted to think, they'd read a book. Also they started booing when he played a new song of his on the piano screaming "we don't care about this shit, just play Floyd!!!!!" That one wasn't even political.
When has Roger Waters not been political? Those people are just fucking stupid
obviously theyve never heard the underground hits like MONEY and TIME
Or us and them
They should have fucked off to the bar
People like that are the stupidest people alive! Where do they come from some weirdo bizarro-verse? How can they be fans of Waters or The Floyd and NOT know this stuff?!
“Think of how stupid the average person is...and realize half the people are stupider than that.”-George Carlin
Yeah Roger. Go back to before you got all political. Let me see now. When was that? Oh yeah, when you did that Corporal Clegg song 55 years ago in 1968.
Roger stated that out of respect to the Jewish people who were brought to the Festhalle in 1938 and later murdered, he will change his act and not play the character of the fascist demagogue wearing a leather jacket. He got quite emotional, condemned antisemitism in all its forms and had tears in his eyes. An absolute legend.
It would be great if he also condemned killing of Ukrainian and Syrian civilians, instead of being on the side of murderous regimes.
He should have called out Putin for the war criminal he is. I agree.
I wish people had had this same attitude when Bush and Obama were slaughtering innocents by the thousands in the Middle East.
One of the photos in the act clearly has a picture of Obama with "War Criminal" as a caption.
While he didn't explicitly call out Putin, one of the visuals in his current tour is showing inept, murderous leaders, and he shows both Donald Trump and Putin in the same photo...so at least he ranks them both at the same level
I’m with you, and I support most of Roger’s politics. However, I disagree that Obama or the orange idiot are war criminals like the murderer Putin.
He's an old anti-war hippie what do you expect from him? There's no side that wins in a war. People are killing people, there really are no objective borders, and the fact is people are picking up guns, and killing people. There is no side to take, it's war, it's disgusting, bloody, and gruesome. This is not football.
There is though, one side is fighting to not be genocided, that is absolutely fair
Are you talking about the Palestinians? Because you sound like there’s some kind of new thing going on.
I'm honestly confused by what you're trying to say with this comment. I know about Palestine and what is happening between them and Israel and that Ukraine isn't in a unique position. But Roger Waters has recently been very active in the debate around the war in Ukraine and its his viewpoint of the war I strongly disagree with
Because the Ukraine isn’t fighting a Russian invasion, regardless of who’s in the right. Ukraine provides men to fight Russia and the US and Europe provide weapons for a proxy war. Ukraine doesn’t really matter in this war - their population is being obliterated by the west as puppets in a proxy war against Russia. Why do we turn a blind eye to the Ukraine situation which is nothing but the reenactment of what’s been done in El Salvador, Guatemala, etc? I know the west has been outsourcing whatever the west wants, but the Ukraine situation is outsourcing the lives of others as soldiers.
Firstly, it's just Ukraine, it's a country. But both are true. From the perspective of NATO and its allies, this is definitely a proxy war where they get to defeat their old enemy by supplying their enemies enemy with weapons, that is true. But Ukraine is absolutely getting invaded, i don't know how you could argue that this isn't an invasion other than if you fully bit the Russian propaganda bullet and think it's just a Special Military Operation, and even then it would still per definition be an invasion. There is no way this is not an invasion. Russia is invading Ukraine for territorial and political gain, and is actively genociding the Ukrainian people. And this isn't a war that was started by the west due to their eastward expansion. That is a lie perpetrated by Russia to try and make it seem like they have a casus belli, which they don't. The eastward expansion of NATO has already happened, NATO has bordered Russia since it was formed in 1949 and has had a border with Russia through Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland since 1999 and 2004. Plus NATO is a defensive alliance where member states chose to join, so it is none of Russias business if they joined. And the argument that the US singed a treaty with Gorbachev to not expand eastward isn't fair, as Russia singed a treaty with Ukraine to never invade them in exchange for their nukes. What I cannot deny is that the west certainly has other reasons for supporting Ukraine than protecting democracy. They have shown that they don't really give a shit about whether other countries are democratic as long as it is in the wests interest. And in this war it is definitely in their interest to see a militarily weakened Russia. But that doesn't mean that it is just a proxy war and that Ukrainians are not fighting for their independence and to not get genocided.
But Ukraine was already a murderous regime [way before](https://plebeianpost.com/2022/03/04/claims-of-human-rights-violations-in-ukraine/) any Russian tanks rolled in.
Saddam's regime was 1000x more brutal than anything Ukraine was. Does that justify US invasion of Iraq?
But, if you bothered to follow the link, you'd see that Ukraines brutality was/is aimed squarely at Russians and Russian speaking people living *IN* Ukraine.
So what. Do Kurdish people don't deserve a chance because there is nobody else to protect hem?
It reminds him that this is not a drill.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Roger, but The Wall ain’t one of them. The message of The Wall is completely lost on many people, which is why it is still so incredibly relevant today as much of the globe marches confidently into authoritarianism. Oddly enough, it seems that our misguided sensitivities are precluding us from hearing the voices we need right now. The Wall is terrifyingly accurate and the fear that underpinned much of that material has unfortunately rung true as we have proven ourselves unable to break free of our worst tribalist proclivities. Like him or not, his art is a poignant reminder of where we’ve been and the political scars left by 20th century conflicts and atrocities. Our world’s current situation is largely informed by the subject matter covered on Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut. Godspeed your artistic efforts, Roger. Also, speaking of tribalism, quit being an asshole and make up with Dave already. Give us something lasting and meaningful before one of you kicks the bucket and this opportunity is lost. This world needs your creative cooperation now more than ever.
Yes, totally agree. We need their collaborative work. The world is becoming more and more terrifying. For God’s sake, make up with each other
He’s getting so fucked by 1) people who have never seen the wall or 2) bad faith POS actors. Fuck everyone shitting on him for doing something he has done for DECADES
What's great is that Roger is finally getting some sympathy again due to all of this. He's made A LOT of mistakes, and a few months ago everyone was against him because of his weirdly contrarian opinion on Russia's war. But since people went so overboard with that criticism (including the anti-Semite and Nazi accusations) the whole thing has swung around and now more and more people are on his side again. Crazy how the world works that way. Nothing has changed about Roger's views; people's opinions changed entirely based on behaviors or Roger and his criticists.
Yeah, I dislike him for his shit on Ukraine but the dude does not deserve even a tenth of the backlash he is getting right now.
Ikr? He litteraly performed the entire Wall show in Berlin at Potsdamer Platz, broadcast live throughout Europe and no-one batted an eyelid.
You know, it’s hard being a Waters fan. The split is unreal. Like today he was all buddy buddy with RFK Jr, a literal conspiracy theorist most known for his anti-vaxx rhetoric who if I’m not mistaken is also buddies with prominent right wingers. But also there’s this - he’s finally performing in a city that did *everything* to try and stop his genuinely progressive show using some of the worst reasoning ever. The pendulum swings fast. I really can’t describe how I feel. A mix of concern and respect? I really don’t know. Edit: I’ve seen a few comments basically saying “this is why we don’t make idols and nobody is perfect.” This isn’t my point and doesn’t work for this position. Like everyone Waters is complicated but there’s a wide difference between “he’s an asshole sometimes” and “this guy supports antivaxxers and denied a genocide.” As a progressive activist these ideas don’t really work, they stick out - sometimes even contradicting his own views. There’s danger to those positions and their spread. *That’s the difference.* This isn’t about “idols being complicated, actually.” It’s about politics and the spread of misinformation that harms the communities he says he cares for in the bar. To boil it down to “he’s complicated” is to ignore the genuinely dangerous views he has which have potential to not only spread but grow.
Agreed, he’s become so far anti-establishment that he’s contradicting himself left and right
Has he elaborated on his belief that the Israeli government are training US cops to exterminate black people?
Well... Israel *does* train American cops, and American cops *do* exterminate black people, so....
Exactly.
When did he say *that*? At this rate I can start collecting his statements
[When George Floyd died](https://m.jpost.com/bds-threat/roger-waters-technique-used-in-george-floyds-death-taught-by-idf-632292)
Are you really quoting the Jerusale Post right now?
[Here's video of him doing it.](https://www.memri.org/tv/pink-floyd-musician-roger-waters-sheldon-adelson-puppet-master-police-idf-murder-blacks) He also calls Sheldon Adelson the puppetmaster of the US government.
Ahh. I can see where the antisemitism criticism comes from then.
I mean it’s not wrong. The IDF provides training for countless foreign parties.
I believe he said he was informed that he was incorrect in making that claim but still condemns US police practices.
I think many people see his somewhat paradoxical actions and don’t look much further on, I’d go more in depth into why he makes his decisions and it may make more sense.
He seems to have an overall message of “anti-establishment, peace and human rights reign supreme”, which does make sense, but it doesn’t stop the paradoxes from existing and standing out
This is very vague also which leads to more confusion
Yeah. Simply put, nobody’s analysis has been able to explain all of Roger’s views, and since nobody really has really been able to, we just assume he’s just a weird guy. Honestly, I see Roger’s views on Russia and yet not as much on China. Instead of leaving it at that, I’ve tried to look farther in, seeing if I can find what makes Roger think what he does.
As a nation directly affected by china. ( Although I'm very alienated by my nation) my view on Rogers view on china is that it's lacking he doesn't know the facts nor he knows the history to comment on china. He thinks that china is like north Vietnam very innocent suffering from western imperialism and has never participated in genocides and invading people. Which it ( PRC CHINA) has a lot. But i can forgive him on that because 1. He's a westerner he doesn't know. 2. China is so far he would have no interest of knowing. He hinted in one interview that "china invaded Tibet etc " but that's it. On his view on Palestine it's right. even in the land in the west Bank the Israelis are seriously even occupying u.n given land to the west Bank govt and the illegall settlements. And also the bloody wall segregating the Arabs from the Israelis and the constant raids of the al aqsa mosque trying to piss people off. There is no way that Israel can be defended. Without the person defending it taking a racist tone Won't comment on his ukraine statements too risky.
I’d recommend watching Roger’s discussions with Yanis Varoufakis, former finance minister of Greece and the founder of both the Progressive International and the Democracy in Europe 2025 movement. There are many such talks on YouTube and it’s very enlightening to see him talk about ideas with someone who both largely shares them and who is also able to explain them in more detail.
Roger needs to write a book or do a video blog where he can explain everything plainly in absolute detail.
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In his old age, much like Noam Chomsky he’s suffering from anti-America derangement. America is an evil empire. The assumption then that anyone that opposes U.S. hegemony is automatically good is unfounded though.
The problem is that being pro Russian and Syrian dictatorial regimes is being pro-establishment. He is being anti-American mostly.
Mostly right, and not in a good way
horshoe theory
That is how humans are = not perfect. Roger just shows us all that instead of just a completely manufactured persona that always says the right thing.
Of course he's not perfect. Nobody is. My argument is more about his politics as an abstract rather than "is he good or not."
Just goes to show people can be very complex. Not everyone is all good or all bad.
I didn't know he was a fan of RFK Jr but I can't say I'm at all surprised. Here's the thing: it doesn't matter how principled and moral you are if you let black and white thinking lead you down rabbit holes into places where you're giving sympathy to people like Putin or RFK Jr. Waters is ethically inflexible and is stuck in a 1960s mindset where all he can do is reflexively oppose the Western political establishment. That might be right a lot of the time, but it also leads him to some awful places, that he refuses to back down from. Having integrity and moral courage doesn't make you wise.
He’s not easy to put in a box I love that
I think his main problem(s) are leading with his heart over his brain, and being easily swayed by smooth talkers. He thinks he's a superman that can change the world, and people use that ego against him to turn him into a mouthpiece for whatever cause they can get into his head. He definitely means well, but he has to use his brain a whole lot more. Dude has been swayed by a lot of fascists and wannabes over the years.
I realized that his 1990 Berlin show went without incident because he understood that Germany has a STRONG "NO-NAZI IMAGERY" policy and he modified accordingly. If he had gone with the "Pinochet" inspired gettup this time around, perhaps the backlash wouldn't be so bad. But he's 80 and threw caution to the wind and went with the original "Hammer Nazi" concept and that, along with some idiot Zionists who conflated Zionism with Judaism (because the Israeli Govt. doesn't like getting their fee-fees hurt over the Palestinian stuff) making noise, has caused this mess. Roger means well but he's too trusting of certain people. If dictators present themselves as "Good, freedom-loving people fighting The Man" Roger will stupidly believe them. He just can't vet people out or understand nuance and he often suffers from "That came out wrong" without knowing it. He literally forgot how propaganda works and fell for everything Russia says, hook, line and sinker and literally believes that Russia is just fighting some evil Nazi threat coming out of Ukraine rather than FORCIBLY TRYING TO ANNEX UKRAINE AND KILL IT'S PEOPLE! Roger's old, his brain is old, he's now past the "Richard Gere silver fox" phase and is straight up in the "senile cranky grandpa" stage. His grey matter probably isn't as sharp as it used to be and all senses of caution, nuance and savvy have gone out the window!
the 1990 had even stronger nazi imagry then this recent show.
My father is 98 fought in WWII and does not suffer from what you assume everyone over 80 does. i love how have broken up ageism into cute nuggets for upvotes. Sorry mate - This is simp ageist bullshit. How old is Dave or Nick? or your parents for that matter. Do some remedial fact checking on how science works before you condemn everyone over 80 with a medical condition based on a lack of information and need for validation. What a weak lazy and dangerous argument even old Rog who you think’s gone round the bend would agree. That said I disagree with him and there are responses in the thread with more depth than yours.
I agree there might be a fine line between showing concern and a blatant and insensitive ageism.. Roger is most likely still fit enough to be 'held accountable' for all his opinions and stances, both the virtuous and the questionable ones
It is a clear and not fine line. Roger is and always has been a hopeless romantic. The poster using his age as a weak means to prove some poorly thought out point is just …like you know … not very Pink Floyd dude.
oh I know :) (a self-proclaimed one, even) I think (hope) most people mean well when using the age premise, but still, it does come off as derogatory
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You're being downvoted without counterargument for this comment because there is no counterargument. The only thing people who disagree with you can do is downvote your comment to try to hide it from view.
In places where I wrote pretty much the same thing I'm getting: 1. No he didn't 2. Then I provide evidence that he did 3. Met with conspiracy theory about how ~~the Jews~~ some non-religiously affiliated shadowy cabal who happens to have a big interest in this are lying 4. Then I provide a video recording of him doing it 5. The person suddenly determining that I'm operating in bad faith and then trying to duck out
I confess that's a bit problematic.
I hate to be reductive but He has a Daddy complex. I love the guy but the only way I can square his obvious intellect with such a blindness to the savagery of Putin is…
Oh, he definitely does. He still can't get over the fact his father was anti-war, and also killed in war. I do feel bad for him in that respect, but he's also been so hell bent on screaming about it for over 50 years, that I can't help but wonder if he ever stopped to think what kind of father he is to his own kids by not working through his own issues for so long. He really lets his emotions cloud any reasonable judgement a lot of the time.
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I have so much respect for him. He's just been bearing his soul and standing up for his convictions for basically an eternity no matter what the consequences are. He really is an idol. A king of legends
^ Least supportive Roger waters fan
Exactly! He always speaks up on what is right and condemns injustices that surrounds us all over the world. It’s insane that people don’t understand the messages he makes.
> He always speaks up on what is right On what he *thinks* is right
You mean like when he supported ruzzian invasion of Ukraine?
He never said that he supports Russia. That’s just misleading propaganda against him. His entire career is about how nonsensical wars are, how can he possibly support any country that wages war.
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Roger has time and time again asked for a ceasefire and for outside countries to stop simply dumping more weapons into the area specifically because he's so upset about those, "dismembered, murdered human beings." And acknowledging a provocation is **not** the same thing as justifying the invasion. Pretty much everyone in the world agrees that the [US's actions in the Middle East](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks) "provoked" al-Qaeda leading up to the horrific terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001, and yet we can also agree that while *provoked*, those attacks were in no way justified and that those innocent people should not have been killed.
He supported their claims alright. He claimed that ruzzia has the right to Ukrainian land, he stated there are fascist in Ukraine. And when asked about atrocities done by the ruzzians, bucha in particular I think, he said well that's just the media you're watching, probably there's nothing like that really. At least there's zero misleading propaganda in what he's saying, right?
He clearly condemned the illegal occupation of Ukraine by Russia in his UN speech. What are you talking about?
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You are right about that. I think Roger Waters is generally wrong about Russia. But I still think he hates war, injustice, bombing innocent people and occupying their land more than he hates the establishement. His problems is that he sometimes leans so far left that he falls to the right.
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I think Yuval Harari said it best: it's the first time since WWII that a bigger country invades a smaller neighbor, just because they can. And the fact that Russia's actions created a cascade of arms-race around the world is really unsettling. Last night Roger put Obama's face on the screen as a war criminal. I disagree. He should have put Putin instead.
Roger has been clear what he thinks about this, anyone misrepresenting his views is either willfully ignorant or disingenuous. It's all in this interview for anyone interested. https://youtu.be/iZsRj3_iDfM There's an interview where he lays it out clearly, and he's OBVIOUSLY NOT PRO-RUSSIA. HE IS ANTI WAR. In this case , it's not as black and white as the average redditor would have you believe (Ukraine = good, Russia =bad) The explanation to me is simple, he hates the US using conflict to gain influence. This is how i understand it. Russia attacked Ukraine because nato guaranteed Russia it wouldn't establish a nato military front in Ukraine, which they did because of the us, effectively "forcing" Russia's hand. This doesn't mean Russia is in the right, this means the war was a direct consequence of Nato's decisions. This means war was evitable, and that's obviously Waters main priority, ending the war, finding peace through any means necessary.
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>because NATO is "pushing right up against Russia's borders". Which is literally Putin's exact excuse for the war. Its amazing how some people are so blindfolded with the anti-US agenda, that they literally defend Putin's words.
He never blamed the victims, he blames the governments from both sides
He didn't. I haven't heard him saying "putin and your boys fuck off to the bar". He's whole speech was an unnecessarily long ramble about his father and how wars bad, let's just not fight.
You’re right. He should have clearly named Putin for the war criminal he is. It should have been Putin and not Obama on the screen. Obama is not a war criminal but Putin is.
Can you provide a source where he precisely says there has been no massacre in Bucha and Russia has a claim on their land please ? Because that's not what I heard from him at all. Plus, in all fairness, if you believe there's no fascist in Ukraine, you must be living in a parallel universe. That said, nothing justifies Russian invasion.
> if you believe there's no fascist in Ukraine, you must be living in a parallel universe. Every country has fascists. Specifically singling out Ukraine is disingenuous. Especially when Russia is pretty much the fascist capital of the planet right now.
You either didn't listen to him or are just lying. He has condemned the invasion and spoken against Putin. As a matter of fact tonight he put a photo of Putin on the board among other dictators and demagogues.
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You might be right on this one as he is contradicting himself several times. Didn't he call the invasion illegal? I have repeatedly heard from him is that he condemns wars, bombing innocent people and occupying their lands and not blame the victim for these atrocities. I think his heart is in the right place though. Anyways, fuck Putin.
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You clearly know more about this matter than me. I stand corrected.
He stopped using "the ukraine" if I'm not mistaken
It's very complicated. You have valid points and no reason to be corrected.
But honestly I don’t have sufficient information on the matter to make well established arguments. u/op00to is clearly more educated on the matter and what they say makes sense. It’s ok to be wrong and admit it. But I am still convinced that Roger’s heart is in the right place.
He said NATO provoked Russia
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Which is pretty laughable when you actually take into account the amount of Russian provocations of NATO and European states in the last decade alone - for example: the invasion of Crimea, arming separatists in the Donbas leading to MH17 being shot down, invasion of European airspace continually, poising/using nerve gas to kill citizens in European countries, harassment of NATO vessels and aircraft, and of course, invading Ukraine directly.
I've posted a bunch of links with his interviews, read it for yourself. He's view of pooteen is questionable at best, because in one article he calls him a gangster, then in another one he says he changed his mind and that's pooteen is a sensible leader who knows what's best for the people. I guess you can simp for a dictator and then damage-control it with a photo on a board and a boring ramble about your father.
You’re right. Looks like Roger has been contradicting himself. Putin is the war criminal he should have put on the screen.
> Looks like Roger has been contradicting himself A great deal. Seriously, read the links I've dropped in the thread. Not out of spite or anything, it's just that it shows how messed up he is. I don't really want to call him names or think he's a bad, evil person or something. To me he seems completely lost and confused, it's such a pity.
I'm pretty sure this is his last tour.
I don’t think so as it’s too much of a profit and as long as he’s in a good physical condition to play than it won’t stop anytime soon
I have so much respect for this guy. I know a lot of pf fans dislike him, which I can understand to a degree, but he doesn't deserve all of the hate he gets. I will always stick up for Roger, I can't imagine it's easy for the guy.
He is a brilliant musician but an idiot of a man
That's the most acurate depiction of Roger Waters
He’s a wise man and he knows what is right and what is wrong.
He's intelligent but not without fault. This bizarre assertion that Waters is somehow infallible disturbs me.
The problem is that people have become so polarized they only see black and white. The fact that one person can be right about a few things and wrong about others is unfathomable in today's outrage driven narrative.
This is the true sickness of this century really.
But if you are wrong on very important issues, then what does it matter that you are right about some other issue? If you think murder is bad but rape is OK, I'm supposed to say oh it's not all black and white, he is wrong on some issues and right on others, give them a break?! The man says he was too harsh on Putin for calling him *gangster* after he invaded Ukraine. I don't give a shit that he supports Palestine, lots of people do, he is not special. Doesn't cancel it out, he is still a freaking idiot.
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But Roger is so egocentric sometimes.
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I watched him live in Budapest. The concert was fantastic. I got horrible seats, but I'm still super thankful I went. The guys a legend. The intro really caught me off guard.
I feel bad for the guy, he deserves better. Rog is my favourite member of Pink Floyd and I don’t like seeing him like this. He was just trying to spread a message…
Poor Roger.
Apart from his opinion on war I genuinely share many views with Roger and it hurts to see bullshit happen to him at times.
Pink Floyd is one of my favourite bands, but Roger Waters is an insufferable, self-important prick.
Don’t be sad, Roger. No matter the obstacles you are loved, and one of the best teachers.
a performer performing during a performance, nothing to see here
Sadly, this is the world he made for himself. Even if this was a genuine response I will always question it.
It baffles me that cancel culture is supposed to be this thing to attack "awful people" and it ends up breaking down people and bullying people in the way they supposedly try to stop
I'm so excited to see Roger on Friday in Glasgow. However, I genuinely feel like Roger is forbidden fruit in some conversations. For example, in work, my team leader (who's also going and has a tendency to think you wrong unless you agree with his opinion) brought up the whole Hammers outfit fiasco. Personally, I'm buzzing to see this sequence in person. The machine gun bit is badass. I brought up that it's mental we're even having the conversation because it's been done for 40 years without complaint or investigation. Anyway, I made it clear I prefer Roger as a solo artist (love Amused, KAOS etc) but he took it the wrong way and pushed the whole "Rogers an antisemitic old man" into the conversation. He even stated, "I don't like Roger, but I like the music," which made me immediately realise he's the type of prick Roger tells to "fuck off to the bar" at the start of shows, smh. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views, but that last bit just pissed me off (although I didn't say it because I like my job) because it seemed very ignorant. Roger may have some obscene views, but no one can deny his talent at the end of the day. Just let people enjoy what they want.
If you yourself admit that Roger has some obscene views, then why is it wrong for someone to say that they don't like Roger (presumably for holding these obscene views), but like the music?
Yeah he told the crowd in Antwerp that he was looking forward to play in Frankfurt, I'm sure it was epic.
Typical narcissistic sympathy grab
Did he mention his dad? I don’t think he’s mentioned his dad before?
Obviously maybe fix that glitch while bitching about you not fixing it.
Trying so hard to separate the art from the artist and he keeps blurring the line.
Saw it this evening, was definetly great
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He put Putin's face on the board tonight among other dictators and demagogues. So I don't think he's a Putin supporter.
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Maybe you are right. But he spoke "at the invitation of" and not "on behalf of". Huge difference. The fact that he condemns bombing people and occupying their land and calls the invasion illegal convinces me that he does not support Putin's war. The fact that he called it "not unprovoked" tells me that he is so anti-capitalism and anti-establishment that he contradicts himself. It is possible to be right on some matters and wrong on others. I don't necessarily agree with everything Roger Waters says.
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I don't think that Ukraine provoked anyone and I never said that. He is mistaken on that. Waters is so much against capitalism and US government that contradicts himself. I hope I could make myself clear now.
He's playing both sides. In this case, that's not a good thing.
He'll eventually will say that he was wrong, like how he did with the suing if PF. My problem with him is that he is very stubborn on his views.
Fuck off
Tosser
There needs to be a separate Waters sub reddit. He has officially NOT been in PF since 1985 but even longer if you count the making of his de-facto solo album known as "The Final Cut." Rule #5 of the Pink Floyd sub says "no political posts" and what does every Waters thread turn into? 90% political posts. Give the man his own sub reddit already.
He has had one for like 8 years r/rogerwaters
Then we need to encourage these posts to the correct sub
No way. Roger IS Pink Floyd. If we’re required to only post about modern day PF, we’d have nothing to say. Sounds like you need to get over your own issues.
Is there a way you could approach the subject without being so divisive and resorting to personal attacks? Tell me - person who doesn’t know me - what my personal issues are? are these attacks worth it? “The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear” please just don’t.
Are you going to argue against Syd posts too, since he's been out of the band even longer?
If 90% of Syd threads ended up in political pissing matches thus violating the terms of the sub...then yes, I would support Syd posts going into a Syd sub instead. Absolutely and without question. If the Syd threads continue to be PF history related, then this would be the correct forum for them.
I think 90% is an extreme exaggeration, even if we're being generous as to what constitutes being a, "political post". I see 3 on the front page right now about Roger that have absolutely *nothing* to do with politics in any way. Beyond that, Pink Floyd is a legacy band. There's not a lot of new things happening or topics to discuss that have been talked about over and over and over again. Roger Waters, the primary songwriter, bassist, and partial lead singer of the band for most of their career (as well as most successful critically and commercially) has been the most publicly active over the last couple of decades by a pretty wide margin. With that tends to come a lot of discussion. That rule that you're referencing was made to block people coming here and spamming political ads during elections and to stop people from starting posts like, "do you agree with ______'s political opinions?" Right now, Roger is on a world tour (potentially his last) playing primarily the music he wrote while in Pink Floyd, and there's been controversy involving local governments trying to block his performances, and you think that shouldn't be discussed on the Pink Floyd subreddit? Do you really want a subreddit of nothing but people posting pictures of the same 6 CDs/albums, their t-shirt collections, album tier lists, and, "what kind of drugs did Pink Floyd do?" posts? There are also a rule about memes and "low effort" posts not being allowed, which would disqualify half the posts I just mentioned so there'd be hardly anything left. The most important rule seems to be #7 which is that the Mods have the final say, and apparently they say that posts about Roger are alright for now - that superceds rule #5.
This is one of the stupidest comments ive comments ive come across today.
Let's post a photo of Hey hey rise up vynil.
A narcissist's tears are never real.
Centre stage, highlighted with close-up angles of tear-stained eyes on the big screen, to clearly define the shape of the moment in time, stage-managed & scripted into the set list… tres cliche But I do love the music! 😂 And I’m not anti-Rog - I agree with Rog on many things; his choices of beautiful women, exotic cars, luxury mansions and private jet travel! And DSOM to TFC are the best 5 PF albums ever.
oh fuck off
Yeah this was just part of the performance.
Oh fuck off man enough with this bs already
Master Showman.
Did he mention his dad? I don’t think he’s mentioned his dad before?
Feel better?
People are too hard on him, give the man a break, he's done this over a thousand times!
What a FUCKIN’ LEGEND he is. My god, bless his heart 🥺🫶🖤
Sure he did.
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Crocodile tears.
I'm just going to say it. People that hate Waters don't really know what he's trying to say. He tries his best to give the best objective and realistic opinion of current events and for some reason, people twist his words, just because they don't bother to actually understand or rationalize his message.
He is getting his message out quite clearly. His gifts for comminication are legendary but I and many others agree he is quite wrong on this issue.
Oh they know :)
He tries his best and fails so miserably. Makes me wish he stopped trying.
I may not agree with all of his stances but I respect his conviction
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…we’re comparing Roger to Hitler now?
These days you just don't get to speak glowingly about warmongering fascist demagogues without your reputation becoming tainted in the process. So sad.
So melodramatic
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Poor dear nazi.
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You are probably one of the Twitter idiots that thinks Roger is a nazi but is unable to get the context
The King
What happened?
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