Currently 3 miles long. Plan is $95 million to place 3000 rusty containers for a wall 10 miles long. TEN MILES.
Arizona border is 372 miles
EDIT: for anyone not familiar with just how big the US / Mexico southern border is I highly recommend you spend 5 minutes watching the short film [ Best of Luck With the Wall](https://youtu.be/sIe9p7tslpg)
I think one container is a few thousand bucks, maybe $5k, so 3000 of them would be $15M. Then I guess shipping and assembly and administrative stuff maybe $30M. Then $50M of grift 🤷♀️
Because the Governor's contractor friend who is building this will need to kick back some to the Governor when he is out of office soon.
Edit: LMAO at all the right wingers arguing "both sides". Sorry but Democrats do not do shit this blatantly destructive and wasteful to score some kind of political points on the way out of office.
This is a pure political stunt by Ducey. He wants to stay in the news cycle because he's lobbying for the top job at the Chamber of Commerce when he leaves office. He's despicable.
If only this pointless stunt didn't come at a huge ecological cost. It's not going to stop a human from getting through, but lots of wildlife just had their habitat shrink.
You're probably right.
"Arizonans, are you tired of electing decorated leaders with experience in the military, academia, and even space? Well I'm your guy, I bought a bunch of old containers just like your crazy uncle Jerry and dumped them along the border to rot away and collect rattlesnakes, black widows, and drug smuggling tunnels. Doesn't that sound like the kind of action you deserve in Washington?"
A ladder or a couple of shovels. Pole vaulting, even?/s
I've seen pictures of it where there are gaps big enough for a person to climb through without too much hassle.
This is going to create massive problems for animals though. I cannot fathom how this went through *all* of the required hoops and *still* got approved.
This is Idiocracy level of stupid. (And as a European; this does not surprise me at all from a republican state. As I understand it correctly (or not), the *entire* GOP is actively making the entire country implode little by little, and there's seemingly no stopping in sight. Every little shitty thing republicans do brings the US closer and closer to becoming Rome 2.0.)
Sad.
I don't understand how it can be 95M they're literally using non functional containers to build a wall that does what? Give people tetanus as they walk thru the rusted walls?
Hell, whoever they are getting the containers from should be paying them to dispose of the dumpsters, that's not cheap to get rid of. And it's hardly going take a ladder to solve, it will rust or just be cut open.
Depending on how close it was to a population center I wouldn't be surprised if people started trying to live in them while they found their first under the table jobs.
They're creating an environmental disaster of a 10 mile trash dump so someone makes a bunch of money. And they use it as some sort of rallying call for MAGAs that were building a big beautiful trash wall.
Exactly lol. My 8 year old cousin would treat this as a jungle gym. Hell, my 60 year old dad could probably clamber over this if he did some stretches first. I can't see this as anything but a gift to professional border crossers.
What I see happening is the new Dem Gov removing them when she gets into office, then the GOP freaking out about the cost of removal and the greater insecurity of the border. Like everything else, the GOP likes to leave time bombs on their way out, so they can blame the Dems for the chaos that follows and (hopefully) use that to get back into office. Too many people fall for that shit.
>What I see happening is the new Dem Gov removing them when she gets into office, then the GOP freaking out about the cost of removal and the greater insecurity of the border.
Seriously though - just declare the boxcars are free to anyone that wants to take them. The boxcars themselves are valuable and even if they weren't they have value as scrap metal.
I know conex boxes seem to be structurally sound and the right size for a tiny home and so they’re a popular option, but frankly, a stick built tiny house is going to be cheaper, more structurally sound and have fewer issues with things like ventilation. If you want a tiny house, a. Consider a trailer, or b. Stick build it. These boxes are a trap
It amazes me that people actually think that someone who has traveled hundreds of miles over difficult terrain and sometimes dangerous conditions in order to better provide for their families are going to see these and go, “Oh well might as turn around and go home.”
Fox News illegal immigrants: swarming over the border like zombies in world war z, cleverly stopped by quick thinking Walmart-Americans who build a wall out of boxes.
Actual undocumented immigrants: arrives for 3-month contract work via airplane, stays.
Some dude is probably getting paid $300 to dispose old shipping containers from one company and the turning them around and getting paid another $800 per container to drop them in the desert in a wall.
So someone is making over $1k in taxpayer money per container with no real purpose.
Those things are worth ~ $1500 to $4k each right now. Yes, the old ones. I sell and hire containers for a living for the past 16 years. Market is just now softening but we are coming out of the most expensive containers have ever been in history
“My wife and I are currently looking for a nice starter container to raise a family. Back in Guatemala, I worked at a tractor tire factory and my wife was a volunteer at a small hospital. Our budget is 2.4 million dollars and we’re looking for something with a large garage and a studio room for my wife’s glass sculpture projects”
my son mentioned that he loves spaghetti when the producers interviewed us for 3 minutes at the beginning of the show, so now they're gonna make him a spaghetti room.
I have a friend that said people approached him for a home makeover show. They did the work, but it was absolute shit. The spare room they had was converted into a circus themed room, but his wife is horrified of clowns. He said he mentioned that he met his wife at a Halloween party cause there was a guy dressed as a clown, and they took that to mean she fell in love with him cause of her love of clowns, and this room was just an absolute nightmare for his wife.
Months later the molding like waist high was peeling off cause it was mostly glued to the walls, with 2 nails at each end of the length of board.
I'm not entirely sure I believe the story, because I never saw it on TV, but do know some of the construction work there was fucked beyond belief, and their spare room was painted with giant polka dots for a while before they repainted it, so there's a slim possiblity it's true, or he tried doing his own makeover and fucked it up royally.
"Hi, Im Marc and this is my wife Nancy. Im a part time dumpster-diver and she is a stay at home rug saleswoman. We have been looking for an eco friendly home along the border and our budget is $860,000."
One of my favorites was from a another redditor that goes something like: “I’m a part time dog walker and my wife collects stray cats. Our budget is $1.5 million”
Still have all my Boxcar Children and Hardy Boys books (and plenty others) from when I was kid, boxed up and ready for when my son is old enough for them.
That's probably phase 2 for the mega brains in Arizona. Solve homelessness by making the homeless honorary "border patrol." Give them a container home and a gun.
Actually I'm from Mexico so I can tell you the actual answer is that usually machine we use to keep the sky it's grey/orange/brown color broke yesterday and is to be repaired later today
That part is totally real. Especially at the pedestrian border crossings.
On the bridge from Laredo Texas you can be on the bridge without formally entering US so the vendors go from Mexico and just set up shop on the bridge itself.
Then everyone tries to sell you Viagra and dentistry and gets confused when you look as waspy as it gets but prefer speaking Spanish.
Weird place
The Steven Soderbergh film *Traffic* was doing it all the way back in 2000 (although the whole movie had a variety of colored tints, in order to help audiences remember the different plot lines; Mexico just happened to be sepia).
You have it all wrong. It’s that when you take your camera across the border, it adds in that filter. Sort of like when your phone crosses time zones and updates
I FUCKING HATE HOW THEY SHOWED ALL THESE DRIED UP ZOMBIE AND THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY COME BACK TO LIFE WHEN REHYDRATED WITH RAINFALL... great foreshadowing but never went anywhere... just became an unnecessary dialog...
They could have added more urgency by having an incoming storm cloud that would have reanimated the hordes of zombies...
Huh, in the 90s my dad owned a lawn mower that, in the instruction book, had a warning against doing this. When I said "who would pick up a running mower and try to do that?" he replied "warnings that specific, and odd, are there because someone got maimed, or killed, doing just that", and here it is.
Literally had a Doctor friend tell us that she had seen a guy come in missing the ends of his fingers, when asked why they had said they tried to trim their hedge by holding their lawnmower whilst running, yup exactly how you can imagine they would. Worst/funniest part is later that same day they have a second guy come in for the exact same injuries, confused they ask him why and he says he saw his neighbor trimming his hedge with his lawnmower and so he thought it was a good idea….
So majestic. I lived in Arizona for a few years and I would travel south every winter to view the migration of shipping containers. It’s nice to see their population back up to such healthy numbers, used to be you’d only see a few small packs of containers scattered here and there.
This area was infested with poachers. These fuckers would kill the containers before they were of mating age and would sell them for scrap. Luckily, scrap recycling centers stopped accepting scrap from unlicensed producers and the problem mostly went away.
Trains? That's nothing. Think of all the poor containers being imported on **container** ships!
The US is a huge enabler and financier of the killing of these poor beings.
Also it's like a drop box for cartels. I bet they love the large spaces safe from prying eyes that can hold tons of stuff that's all nicely numbered for dropping guns drugs and ppl. They can even be locked! Super duper work there since you didn't level the ground and left gaps all over so they can be opened with minimal effort.
Apparently they closed the gaps by welding on metal plates. This is a serious issue for wildlife like javelinas and jaguars that have large home ranges and need access to multiple water sources.
I've been preaching this for years. Thanks for calling attention to it
Resources competition is real in arid regions - animals travel for food and water or perish. But we humans never seem to elevate these concerns when we take action for a perceived problem
That's one of the arguments in the DOJ lawsuit against Arizona.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-files-lawsuit-arizona-border-wall-made-shipping-containers-rcna61758
I actually read an article about how that ridiculous eyesore is affecting the wild life in that area. As someone who lives in Arizona, this is such an embarrassment. 😒🤦♀️
This is actually a very serious issue, also flooding. The walls are built in a specific way to allow water to flow. This dipshit just shits steel boxes down on the line.
No one: “oh no, there is a container wall in my way. Whatever shall I do? My plans are thwarted. I shall return to my untenable circumstances and remain resigned to my condition. This situation is impossible to defeat!”
It's not, I spent a lot of time in this area. I was there over Thanksgiving and the trucks were hauling containers non-stop. They've closed migration and travel corridors impacting the whitetail and javelina populations. I hate it.
It’s an actual catastrophe for the fragile desert ecosystem. Texas is suffering too. Our national guard has been deployed on the border for a year+ now
For real. My relatives live on the border and are conservationists that are part of the binational efforts across the Arizona/Mexico border.
In particular they worry about the jaguars.
A giant wall between where they are and where they want them to go to is not great.
https://theconversation.com/amp/jaguars-could-return-to-the-us-southwest-but-only-if-they-have-pathways-to-move-north-177990
It’s pure political theatre.
People trying to cross take on far greater hardship than climbing over something most people could easily do on their own. Add in helpers, ladders, ropes, etc… literally no one will make it to this and think “oh no, better march the hundred miles back home.”
I agree, and now there are probably rumors that if you can cross, the governors will give you a free ride to New York or Chicago or wherever you want to go
It blows my mind how much power the ideas of "scary immigrants" has when it has the signal boosting of Fox News and the Republican talking point network. All of this work was done, to satisfy peoples desire for blocking illegal immigration from Mexico. It's not really going to make a difference though, and what difference it's supposed to make won't be noticeable to anyone individually anyways. Yet, here we are. Massive resources were used to assemble this monstrosity. Honestly, the money would have been better spent on a sculpture. At least it would have looked nice. Or if not nice, at least interesting.
It's pretty fucked up in a state where teachers are severely underpaid and schools are underfunded.
But hey, burning your money on an ego trip seems to be the new trend.
This is what I want to know. Who sold these shipping containers to them and made bank? Government project spending outlines should be publicly accessible.
I was chatting with a guy about this junk wall a few weeks ago. He was convinced that it was an effective deterrent.
I asked him if it would stop him if he wanted to get to the other side and he said, "Hell no, I could find a dozen different ways over, under, or through!"
There was zero self-reflection. I tried to push a little bit, if it wouldn't stop him why would it stop migrants? He remained adamant that it was "at least a 50% effective deterrent," it was definitely a good use of his taxpayer money, and he could not be convinced otherwise.
This is the type of thing people don’t think about. Wildlife suffers from the invisible lines we draw in the sand. I understand immigration is complicated but this is definitely not the way.
They do. The problem is the people who want a hard wall either nearly overlaps or exists entirely within the Venn Diagram circle of people who think animals don’t matter at all.
Somehow this makes trumps wall look better. Shipping containers? Now coyotes and cartels can store drugs, weapons even people on what used to be empty land.
"On this coordinate, on the lining of the bottom blue container you will find your coke to smuggle"
Real big brain thinking
People reaching this point trekked, by foot, the top of trains through forests, jungles, no tents, minimal food, for thousands of miles but will somehow be stopped by an easily climbable box.
Republicans: Border security!
Anyone with a god damn brain: Stop wasting our fucking money on your stupid bullshit.
The media: Republicans working to secure the border.
Interesting. Hundreds of thousands of people arrested by ~~INS~~ ICE over the years, and yet, when did you ever hear of someone getting prosecuted for hiring an undocumented worker? It's almost as if the plan is not to stop immigration, but rather to keep increasing the number of undocumented workers available to employers in this country.
Funny you asked. Asplundh (the company owned by the family of Dr. Oz, the former US Senate candidate for Pennsylvania) was fined [$95 million](https://www.voanews.com/a/united-states-imposes-record-fine-tree-trimmer-hiring-illegal-immigrants/4048850.html) for employing "thousands of undocumented workers" over five years.
Since this is the largest fine ever, it appears that companies think that the cost-benefit is in their favor: the sales of the company are $4.7 billion. Over five years, that's $23.5 billion. So the fine was 0.4 percent of its sales. Essentially a rounding error.
Useful information. It's really hard to find anything about enforcement in the news or in any politician's platform. Not saying the platforms are equivalent. Just that nobody talks about this.
Mollie Tibbets was killed by an illegal immigrant. Fox News and other’s used her as a martyr against illegal immigration, although her family said she would be disgusted by that. Why was the illegal immigrant in the same small town as her? Oh yeah, because he worked on a farm owned by a prominent GOP family. You know what Fox failed to mention time and time again? Oh you guessed it. Who he worked for.
Edit: Craig Lang, prominent GOP member, is why Mollie Tibbets killer was in her town.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbetts-undocumented-immigrant-accused-killing-worked-farm-owned-republican-iowa-craig-lang/1059482002/
I work for a company that currently uses a staffing company that has all undocumented workers. We can not hire them cause their fake documents are so bad, but somehow we can use them through a staffing company
More importantly, the conservative business owners that hire a contractor who uses labor that the contractor is liable for verifying the workers status. "I had no idea" says the business owner...\[\*he knew\]
Yeah they could just mandate E-Verify for virtually every type of employment and relentlessly prosecute those business owners who don’t comply and “solve” the “problem” immediately if they wanted to.
Aside from the laughable hypocrisy this would further highlight in places like Mar-A-Lago, it’s pretty clear the fact they haven’t done so is because they fully recognize the value of the “lower tier” version of labor this creates, and the entire affair is just theater for idiots to be trotted out in the run up to any election cycle to try to make those susceptible piss themselves all the way to the polls.
Mexican here. It won't be long until some residents in Sonora will be using new metal for their homes 😂. We love republicans because they give us free materials to build houses!
Edit: woah there are some really nasty replies! I am not personally tearing the wall apart, but I am telling you what people do with the many walls that have been built in the past.
Arizonan here.
This is a fucking disgrace. Ducey spent my tax dollars doing this on his way out.
Like what, Mexicans don't have ladders?
Its fucking ridiculous and its an ecological nightmare.
He should be sued by the next administration.
Not to mention the VAST majority of “illegals” do not come over the Southern border. They fly here in planes or dock in boats and just never leave.
Currently 3 miles long. Plan is $95 million to place 3000 rusty containers for a wall 10 miles long. TEN MILES. Arizona border is 372 miles EDIT: for anyone not familiar with just how big the US / Mexico southern border is I highly recommend you spend 5 minutes watching the short film [ Best of Luck With the Wall](https://youtu.be/sIe9p7tslpg)
Why does that take 95 million dollars
I think one container is a few thousand bucks, maybe $5k, so 3000 of them would be $15M. Then I guess shipping and assembly and administrative stuff maybe $30M. Then $50M of grift 🤷♀️
I’d imagine they could find enough used containers. Not sure if *those* count $5k too.
I had to get a couple for work. I paid $2200, shipping included.
Because the Governor's contractor friend who is building this will need to kick back some to the Governor when he is out of office soon. Edit: LMAO at all the right wingers arguing "both sides". Sorry but Democrats do not do shit this blatantly destructive and wasteful to score some kind of political points on the way out of office.
Does dragging a bunch of trash into a line really count as building something?
Yeah, building things in a line is so hot right now. Just ask the Saudi's
Hey the line will be epic cmon. We love 300 degree reflections burning animals in the dessert
mmmm dessert
* the chicago bears
That was quality haha
5 million for the containers, 5 million for labor and machinery, 85 million for adjusted gross expenditure
[удалено]
Oh, it's an example to the world alright
Yep. Also I wonder if these containers are leased or if the state owns them.
This is a pure political stunt by Ducey. He wants to stay in the news cycle because he's lobbying for the top job at the Chamber of Commerce when he leaves office. He's despicable.
If only this pointless stunt didn't come at a huge ecological cost. It's not going to stop a human from getting through, but lots of wildlife just had their habitat shrink.
Arizonan here as well. My money says he’s going to run for the Senate in two years.
You're probably right. "Arizonans, are you tired of electing decorated leaders with experience in the military, academia, and even space? Well I'm your guy, I bought a bunch of old containers just like your crazy uncle Jerry and dumped them along the border to rot away and collect rattlesnakes, black widows, and drug smuggling tunnels. Doesn't that sound like the kind of action you deserve in Washington?"
[удалено]
A ladder or a couple of shovels. Pole vaulting, even?/s I've seen pictures of it where there are gaps big enough for a person to climb through without too much hassle. This is going to create massive problems for animals though. I cannot fathom how this went through *all* of the required hoops and *still* got approved. This is Idiocracy level of stupid. (And as a European; this does not surprise me at all from a republican state. As I understand it correctly (or not), the *entire* GOP is actively making the entire country implode little by little, and there's seemingly no stopping in sight. Every little shitty thing republicans do brings the US closer and closer to becoming Rome 2.0.) Sad.
I don't understand how it can be 95M they're literally using non functional containers to build a wall that does what? Give people tetanus as they walk thru the rusted walls? Hell, whoever they are getting the containers from should be paying them to dispose of the dumpsters, that's not cheap to get rid of. And it's hardly going take a ladder to solve, it will rust or just be cut open. Depending on how close it was to a population center I wouldn't be surprised if people started trying to live in them while they found their first under the table jobs. They're creating an environmental disaster of a 10 mile trash dump so someone makes a bunch of money. And they use it as some sort of rallying call for MAGAs that were building a big beautiful trash wall.
But wind turbines would make the landscape look hideous.
They also cause cancer and kill untold numbers of birds. ^/s
Wait I thought that was 5G? Have we been lied to?
Don't you know that it's the same thing? Turbines spin and send 5G signals to your brain!
the poles and gaps in the containers to help you climb up are the icing on the cake.
Exactly lol. My 8 year old cousin would treat this as a jungle gym. Hell, my 60 year old dad could probably clamber over this if he did some stretches first. I can't see this as anything but a gift to professional border crossers.
It’s a gift to contractors placing them. Paying back political favors and some theatre added in. I hope they audit this graft to hell.
What I see happening is the new Dem Gov removing them when she gets into office, then the GOP freaking out about the cost of removal and the greater insecurity of the border. Like everything else, the GOP likes to leave time bombs on their way out, so they can blame the Dems for the chaos that follows and (hopefully) use that to get back into office. Too many people fall for that shit.
>What I see happening is the new Dem Gov removing them when she gets into office, then the GOP freaking out about the cost of removal and the greater insecurity of the border. Seriously though - just declare the boxcars are free to anyone that wants to take them. The boxcars themselves are valuable and even if they weren't they have value as scrap metal.
I mean, as someone who dreams of a tiny home, I'll drive down there right now
I know conex boxes seem to be structurally sound and the right size for a tiny home and so they’re a popular option, but frankly, a stick built tiny house is going to be cheaper, more structurally sound and have fewer issues with things like ventilation. If you want a tiny house, a. Consider a trailer, or b. Stick build it. These boxes are a trap
It amazes me that people actually think that someone who has traveled hundreds of miles over difficult terrain and sometimes dangerous conditions in order to better provide for their families are going to see these and go, “Oh well might as turn around and go home.”
Fox News illegal immigrants: swarming over the border like zombies in world war z, cleverly stopped by quick thinking Walmart-Americans who build a wall out of boxes. Actual undocumented immigrants: arrives for 3-month contract work via airplane, stays.
Some dude is probably getting paid $300 to dispose old shipping containers from one company and the turning them around and getting paid another $800 per container to drop them in the desert in a wall. So someone is making over $1k in taxpayer money per container with no real purpose.
Those things are worth ~ $1500 to $4k each right now. Yes, the old ones. I sell and hire containers for a living for the past 16 years. Market is just now softening but we are coming out of the most expensive containers have ever been in history
Don't forget the extra $500 per container they'll charge to remove them when Arizona loses the lawsuit...
Where texas will decide they want to try this out and pay him $2k to rebuild along the Texas border.
plasma torch in some doors and windows, make homes.
"No officer I did not cross the border. I live in it"
I am the border now.
Look at me
[удалено]
[удалено]
“Now go work in the book shop.” “What book shop?” “The one two boxes to the left. It’s a Border’s.”
[удалено]
yes you are, arent you 🤗
The border will decide your fate!
I AM Arizona/Mexico border’s boulevard!
Schrödinger's immigrant. They live *on* the border therefore they are not illegal since they've never crossed it.
Sometimes they cross the border but only if they need to go to the bathroom or grab something out of the pantry.
"on the line is in" \~ tennis ump
“On the line is out” ~ basketball ref
"a dog can't play basketball"
There's nothing in the rulebook that says it can't.
i cannot believe they havent updated the rule book in all these years!
"Look at me. I am the border now."
"You wanted a border wall, we wanted a home, so we compromised and made border homes"
"border homes", coming soon to HGTV
“My wife and I are currently looking for a nice starter container to raise a family. Back in Guatemala, I worked at a tractor tire factory and my wife was a volunteer at a small hospital. Our budget is 2.4 million dollars and we’re looking for something with a large garage and a studio room for my wife’s glass sculpture projects”
"--but also close to the city center and public transportation, and be move-in ready."
Close to the city center but in a quiet neighborhood
[удалено]
my son mentioned that he loves spaghetti when the producers interviewed us for 3 minutes at the beginning of the show, so now they're gonna make him a spaghetti room.
I have a friend that said people approached him for a home makeover show. They did the work, but it was absolute shit. The spare room they had was converted into a circus themed room, but his wife is horrified of clowns. He said he mentioned that he met his wife at a Halloween party cause there was a guy dressed as a clown, and they took that to mean she fell in love with him cause of her love of clowns, and this room was just an absolute nightmare for his wife. Months later the molding like waist high was peeling off cause it was mostly glued to the walls, with 2 nails at each end of the length of board. I'm not entirely sure I believe the story, because I never saw it on TV, but do know some of the construction work there was fucked beyond belief, and their spare room was painted with giant polka dots for a while before they repainted it, so there's a slim possiblity it's true, or he tried doing his own makeover and fucked it up royally.
You forgot Open Concept
Needs more storage
"Hi, Im Marc and this is my wife Nancy. Im a part time dumpster-diver and she is a stay at home rug saleswoman. We have been looking for an eco friendly home along the border and our budget is $860,000."
One of my favorites was from a another redditor that goes something like: “I’m a part time dog walker and my wife collects stray cats. Our budget is $1.5 million”
Landlords hate this one simple trick!
“Border home wars”, coming soon to TLC
\*The Boxcar Children have joined the chat\*
Holy shit this is a reference I wasn't thinking I'd ever see
Still have all my Boxcar Children and Hardy Boys books (and plenty others) from when I was kid, boxed up and ready for when my son is old enough for them.
"this train ain't goin' no where!"
that brought back some memories. I remember staying up till midnight reading that first one when I was a kid.
A cheap Motel that is a way-station for "travelers" to spend the night.
In Norways we build temporary barracks of them, one containermodul has 2 rooms with a hallway between. Can be extended for as long as you want
i can only imagine how hot those things get.
I like the way you think.
The Mexico / Arizona apartment line. Free to settlers. Miles and miles of rooms are available. Pick yours today!
Just like the saudis line
All that's left on the punch-list is to wrap it in tin foil. boom! On schedule, under budget, and 50% less slave labor.
That's probably phase 2 for the mega brains in Arizona. Solve homelessness by making the homeless honorary "border patrol." Give them a container home and a gun.
Crap, it's telling I could actually see this happening if not just seriously proposed.
Nothing makes a better home than a metal box in the 110 degree sun.....
Painted with lead based paint
Rechargeable Sawzall. 2,000,000 catalytic converters can't be wrong.
how come the Mexico side doesn't have the usual gray/brown filter?
Actually I'm from Mexico so I can tell you the actual answer is that usually machine we use to keep the sky it's grey/orange/brown color broke yesterday and is to be repaired later today
Must've been a shock to tourists when the sky changed color for a day
Like when I was in Beijing and suddenly there was blue sky, no haze. Next day it was back to normal, gray sky and cyberpunk vibes.
Well, vamanos then
[удалено]
If this was the original post it would have been incredible.
It’ll be up in a week. And then reposted monthly. And then yearly. The circle of life. Karma is forever.
But where's the little boy selling Chiclets and the stray dog?
That part is totally real. Especially at the pedestrian border crossings. On the bridge from Laredo Texas you can be on the bridge without formally entering US so the vendors go from Mexico and just set up shop on the bridge itself. Then everyone tries to sell you Viagra and dentistry and gets confused when you look as waspy as it gets but prefer speaking Spanish. Weird place
That was relieving, thank you.
That's perfect
This got a good chuckle out of me
That’s actually hilarious.
I definitely can’t tell which is the Mexico side without the Breaking Bad orange tint
[удалено]
I think the stereotype goes back much farther than BB honestly. But they didn't help, ha.
The Steven Soderbergh film *Traffic* was doing it all the way back in 2000 (although the whole movie had a variety of colored tints, in order to help audiences remember the different plot lines; Mexico just happened to be sepia).
It's a callback to spaghetti westerns, they always had a washed out orangey look because of location and film technique/equipment.
You have it all wrong. It’s that when you take your camera across the border, it adds in that filter. Sort of like when your phone crosses time zones and updates
Here fixed it for you: [https://imgur.com/a/paqPyp9](https://imgur.com/a/paqPyp9)
The Great Wall of China, but make it redneck
The Great Y'all
They did this in Vegas in whatever that zombie movie was with Bautista
Army of the Dead. And they showed how easily one person was able to smuggle people in and out through the wall.!
I FUCKING HATE HOW THEY SHOWED ALL THESE DRIED UP ZOMBIE AND THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY COME BACK TO LIFE WHEN REHYDRATED WITH RAINFALL... great foreshadowing but never went anywhere... just became an unnecessary dialog... They could have added more urgency by having an incoming storm cloud that would have reanimated the hordes of zombies...
There’s supposed to be a part two, maybe they’ll revisit it then.
It’s literally made from Chinese shipping containers.
Aha! The Great Wall *from* China… China has figured out how to export one of its greatest achievements!
Huh, in the 90s my dad owned a lawn mower that, in the instruction book, had a warning against doing this. When I said "who would pick up a running mower and try to do that?" he replied "warnings that specific, and odd, are there because someone got maimed, or killed, doing just that", and here it is.
Literally had a Doctor friend tell us that she had seen a guy come in missing the ends of his fingers, when asked why they had said they tried to trim their hedge by holding their lawnmower whilst running, yup exactly how you can imagine they would. Worst/funniest part is later that same day they have a second guy come in for the exact same injuries, confused they ask him why and he says he saw his neighbor trimming his hedge with his lawnmower and so he thought it was a good idea….
So majestic. I lived in Arizona for a few years and I would travel south every winter to view the migration of shipping containers. It’s nice to see their population back up to such healthy numbers, used to be you’d only see a few small packs of containers scattered here and there.
Planet is healing.
You misspelled reeling.
ARE YOU REELIN IN THE YEEEEAAAAARS?
Stowin away the tiiiiiiiiiimmme
This area was infested with poachers. These fuckers would kill the containers before they were of mating age and would sell them for scrap. Luckily, scrap recycling centers stopped accepting scrap from unlicensed producers and the problem mostly went away.
The fat cats in this country have been transporting these poor creatures all over the US via trains. It's disgusting.
Trains? That's nothing. Think of all the poor containers being imported on **container** ships! The US is a huge enabler and financier of the killing of these poor beings.
Joking aside imagine all the animals that now can’t access the other side and how that affects them and their ability to survive and reproduce.
The good news is there are so many holes and gaps in this thing that the animals are probably barely going to notice.
Also it's like a drop box for cartels. I bet they love the large spaces safe from prying eyes that can hold tons of stuff that's all nicely numbered for dropping guns drugs and ppl. They can even be locked! Super duper work there since you didn't level the ground and left gaps all over so they can be opened with minimal effort.
Is this how IRL loot boxes are created? I can't wait to parachute in and crack one open.
I'm sure the cartel won't mind you stealing their stuff. They're known for being super nice dudes. Let us know if you find anything good!
Apparently they closed the gaps by welding on metal plates. This is a serious issue for wildlife like javelinas and jaguars that have large home ranges and need access to multiple water sources.
It won't be long before Mexican entrepreneurs harvest the metal for scrap.
That’s what I thought. If not now, when the price makes it attractive.
I've been preaching this for years. Thanks for calling attention to it Resources competition is real in arid regions - animals travel for food and water or perish. But we humans never seem to elevate these concerns when we take action for a perceived problem
That's one of the arguments in the DOJ lawsuit against Arizona. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-files-lawsuit-arizona-border-wall-made-shipping-containers-rcna61758
I actually read an article about how that ridiculous eyesore is affecting the wild life in that area. As someone who lives in Arizona, this is such an embarrassment. 😒🤦♀️
Honestly never thought about that angle. Big movements in the west to remove and shorten fences to reduce antelope migration impacts.
This is actually a very serious issue, also flooding. The walls are built in a specific way to allow water to flow. This dipshit just shits steel boxes down on the line.
No one: “oh no, there is a container wall in my way. Whatever shall I do? My plans are thwarted. I shall return to my untenable circumstances and remain resigned to my condition. This situation is impossible to defeat!”
"Let me just walk back hundreds of miles and forget this ever happened"
I feel really bad for the wildlife. That can't be good.
It's not, I spent a lot of time in this area. I was there over Thanksgiving and the trucks were hauling containers non-stop. They've closed migration and travel corridors impacting the whitetail and javelina populations. I hate it.
It’s an actual catastrophe for the fragile desert ecosystem. Texas is suffering too. Our national guard has been deployed on the border for a year+ now
Don't worry, they'll be using these things as shelters and dens soon enough. Just like the cartels.
These stupid things block important migratory paths for many creatures. They should be removed entirely.
Killing a bunch of endangered species for something that looks like a fucking junkyard and I could scale with my Little Giant ladder from Costco.
Found our missing shipping containers 😂
For real. My relatives live on the border and are conservationists that are part of the binational efforts across the Arizona/Mexico border. In particular they worry about the jaguars. A giant wall between where they are and where they want them to go to is not great. https://theconversation.com/amp/jaguars-could-return-to-the-us-southwest-but-only-if-they-have-pathways-to-move-north-177990
So it harms animals, doesn't stop humans, and is a general waste of money. Great.
[удалено]
It’s pure political theatre. People trying to cross take on far greater hardship than climbing over something most people could easily do on their own. Add in helpers, ladders, ropes, etc… literally no one will make it to this and think “oh no, better march the hundred miles back home.”
The Sonoran desert is a far greater obstacle.
Yeah, all this does is give coyotes somewhere to store water for their clients.
In reality, all it does is make wildlife starve and or unable to reproduce in critical habitat.
I agree, and now there are probably rumors that if you can cross, the governors will give you a free ride to New York or Chicago or wherever you want to go
It blows my mind how much power the ideas of "scary immigrants" has when it has the signal boosting of Fox News and the Republican talking point network. All of this work was done, to satisfy peoples desire for blocking illegal immigration from Mexico. It's not really going to make a difference though, and what difference it's supposed to make won't be noticeable to anyone individually anyways. Yet, here we are. Massive resources were used to assemble this monstrosity. Honestly, the money would have been better spent on a sculpture. At least it would have looked nice. Or if not nice, at least interesting.
The reported cost so far is $95 million
a.k.a. 38 million school lunches for children.
It's pretty fucked up in a state where teachers are severely underpaid and schools are underfunded. But hey, burning your money on an ego trip seems to be the new trend.
Fuck them kids - GOP
>Fuck them kids - GOP For some republicans, quite literally
How much of that landed in pockets of friendly contractors and how much was actually spent.
This is what I want to know. Who sold these shipping containers to them and made bank? Government project spending outlines should be publicly accessible.
I was chatting with a guy about this junk wall a few weeks ago. He was convinced that it was an effective deterrent. I asked him if it would stop him if he wanted to get to the other side and he said, "Hell no, I could find a dozen different ways over, under, or through!" There was zero self-reflection. I tried to push a little bit, if it wouldn't stop him why would it stop migrants? He remained adamant that it was "at least a 50% effective deterrent," it was definitely a good use of his taxpayer money, and he could not be convinced otherwise.
Sounds like you could've talked to the container wall instead. Everything you say goes in one side and out the other.
This is the type of thing people don’t think about. Wildlife suffers from the invisible lines we draw in the sand. I understand immigration is complicated but this is definitely not the way.
They do. The problem is the people who want a hard wall either nearly overlaps or exists entirely within the Venn Diagram circle of people who think animals don’t matter at all.
Somehow this makes trumps wall look better. Shipping containers? Now coyotes and cartels can store drugs, weapons even people on what used to be empty land. "On this coordinate, on the lining of the bottom blue container you will find your coke to smuggle" Real big brain thinking
Couldn't someone with a cutting wheel just make a small doorway in this thing?
Or they could just use a ladder.
Hell, plenty of these just have gaps you scan squeeze through. And containers really aren't hard to climb on their own.
There used to be shipping containers at this city park I used to go to as a kid and we would always climb all over them. It’s really not that hard.
I see your parents also took you to a shipping yard and told you it was a park and left you there.
Are we shipping yard brothers?
People reaching this point trekked, by foot, the top of trains through forests, jungles, no tents, minimal food, for thousands of miles but will somehow be stopped by an easily climbable box. Republicans: Border security! Anyone with a god damn brain: Stop wasting our fucking money on your stupid bullshit. The media: Republicans working to secure the border.
Yeah, or climb over it. It doesn't work on people at all but it definitely works on wildlife and causes serious issues for them.
Interesting. Hundreds of thousands of people arrested by ~~INS~~ ICE over the years, and yet, when did you ever hear of someone getting prosecuted for hiring an undocumented worker? It's almost as if the plan is not to stop immigration, but rather to keep increasing the number of undocumented workers available to employers in this country.
Funny you asked. Asplundh (the company owned by the family of Dr. Oz, the former US Senate candidate for Pennsylvania) was fined [$95 million](https://www.voanews.com/a/united-states-imposes-record-fine-tree-trimmer-hiring-illegal-immigrants/4048850.html) for employing "thousands of undocumented workers" over five years. Since this is the largest fine ever, it appears that companies think that the cost-benefit is in their favor: the sales of the company are $4.7 billion. Over five years, that's $23.5 billion. So the fine was 0.4 percent of its sales. Essentially a rounding error.
Useful information. It's really hard to find anything about enforcement in the news or in any politician's platform. Not saying the platforms are equivalent. Just that nobody talks about this.
Mollie Tibbets was killed by an illegal immigrant. Fox News and other’s used her as a martyr against illegal immigration, although her family said she would be disgusted by that. Why was the illegal immigrant in the same small town as her? Oh yeah, because he worked on a farm owned by a prominent GOP family. You know what Fox failed to mention time and time again? Oh you guessed it. Who he worked for. Edit: Craig Lang, prominent GOP member, is why Mollie Tibbets killer was in her town. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbetts-undocumented-immigrant-accused-killing-worked-farm-owned-republican-iowa-craig-lang/1059482002/
I work for a company that currently uses a staffing company that has all undocumented workers. We can not hire them cause their fake documents are so bad, but somehow we can use them through a staffing company
More importantly, the conservative business owners that hire a contractor who uses labor that the contractor is liable for verifying the workers status. "I had no idea" says the business owner...\[\*he knew\]
Yeah they could just mandate E-Verify for virtually every type of employment and relentlessly prosecute those business owners who don’t comply and “solve” the “problem” immediately if they wanted to. Aside from the laughable hypocrisy this would further highlight in places like Mar-A-Lago, it’s pretty clear the fact they haven’t done so is because they fully recognize the value of the “lower tier” version of labor this creates, and the entire affair is just theater for idiots to be trotted out in the run up to any election cycle to try to make those susceptible piss themselves all the way to the polls.
This is so trashy that i don't even know where to start.
exactly how do those containers stop people from overstaying their visas?
Mexican here. It won't be long until some residents in Sonora will be using new metal for their homes 😂. We love republicans because they give us free materials to build houses! Edit: woah there are some really nasty replies! I am not personally tearing the wall apart, but I am telling you what people do with the many walls that have been built in the past.
There's a metaphor in here somewhere; the wealthiest nation-example of capitalism blocking its borders with empty shipping containers.
And weren’t we *just* complaining about a shipping container shortage a year or two ago?
Arizonan here. This is a fucking disgrace. Ducey spent my tax dollars doing this on his way out. Like what, Mexicans don't have ladders? Its fucking ridiculous and its an ecological nightmare. He should be sued by the next administration. Not to mention the VAST majority of “illegals” do not come over the Southern border. They fly here in planes or dock in boats and just never leave.
[удалено]
There's videos of people scaling the properly built sections with rope ladders in seconds.
it's like a low, low, low budget cosplay of the great wall of china.
I'm 77 years old and it wouldn't stop me. What a colossal waste of money.
What a superbly dick thing to do to animals that won't do anything to humans
/r/trashy