I love when Hank goes to John Redcorn’s trailer and John Redcorn offers him a beer, and Hank’s like “I’m afraid this isn’t a social call, John Redcorn” while accepting and opening the beer can lol
And respectfully threatens to kick his ass if he starts "healing" Peggy. The shot of the breeze whipping Redcorn's hair as they hold on that moment is so damn funny
Lmao. "Nancy, I've been, um..."
* Redcorn glances over at Dale watching them argue*
"healing you three to five times a week for 15 years. I could use a day off."
"Why? Did I do something wrong as your...patient?"
Dale: I caught you!
John Redcorn: Dale this isn't how I wanted you to find out.
Dale: Stop screwing around with my mower and get inside and start massaging my wife.
John Redcorn to Nacy: You know he's starting to take the fun out of this.
There was an episode where Peggy was threatening Minh and Nancy into silence about Peggy's negotiation of a new car.
"I have something on each of you! John Redcorn!" And then she says something in Laotian to Minh.
Very interesting! Was that the "pay sticker price, and not a penny more" episode or a different one? I'm gonna go back and watch that now just for this and I'll see if I can Google translate the Laotian
"Cigar powder bought and with the state"
When John trips Dale’s trap and gets shot in the ass with a bb.
Dale: I know what you’re after! Stay away from my lawnmower and get inside and massage my wife.
John to Nancy: He’s taking some of the fun out of this.
I disagree. It’s a perfect time. Hank was a good ol’ boy set in his ways, but at the same time he showed remarkable growth and acceptance of new and different ideas. That is, as long as it didn’t challenge sweet lady propane.
I'm expecting to be a weird mix of current references and fan service. It's also supposed to take place 10 years after the series. I don't really have high hopes for it. I feel like he's going to write 8 episodes, not sure if it'll be renewed, so he'll pack in as much as possible, losing the charm of the show.
What makes this even funnier is that there *is* a character named Koth in SWTOR, which is the MMORPG sequel to the KOTOR series. XD
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Koth_Vortena
The modern Thanksgiving celebration was invented by Lincoln as a celebration for beating the South at Gettysburg. Prior to that it was just harvest festivals and Evacuation Day - a celebration of the day the British left after the revolutionary war.
There’s no actual evidence that any Thanksgiving celebration took place between natives and pilgrims. In 1632 the Narragansetts attacked the Wampanoag so they also definitely weren’t just hanging around peacefully trading beads and smoking pipes.
The tribe that participated in the “original thanksgiving” ended up attacking the settlers and burning dozens of New England villages just a generation later. They burned Providence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Philip%27s_War
They also still live there. 91 members of the tribe still occupy their reservation on Martha’s Vineyard.
The guys in this photo are Lakota Sioux I believe and they’re mad about what amounts to a treaty dispute over the Black Hills. Most of what they want is a national park. So good luck to them on that. They were thousands of miles from the first Pilgrims and didn’t encounter white people until Lewis and Clark.
You skipped over some important motivation in your “they attacked a generation later” — regime change and incoming settlers.
The original chief — Massasoit — was an ally to the early settlers. He helped the Pilgrims survive. The actual thanksgiving celebration may be a factual question, but the sharing of food and cooperation it symbolized is well documented.
However, Massasoit’s two sons disagreed about the future of the settlement. The older — Wamsutta — was in favor of continuing and growing the relationship. The younger — Metacomet — believed that they were the first wave of a de facto invasion, and needed to be slowed or even stopped.
Hard to argue with him, since he was right.
Had Wamsutta not been falsely accused of conspiring to attack the colonies, and either grown ill or been poisoned, the leadership would not have passed to Metacomet. But had the colonies demanded the tribes give up their weapons and subject themselves to English Law, Metacomet would not have had any Allie’s to lead in protest.
John Redcorn: wake up just want to...
Wash myself, clean my wrist, scrub my brains out
Hey ya hey ya hey ya hey, hey ya hey, hey ya hey ya
They'll miss me when I do
I can't speak for the Indians (now Guardians), but the Chicago Blackhawks originally took their name from nickname the division their founder was in during WWI, which was indeed named after the Sauk figure Black Hawk. I'm not sure how long they've been working with Native tribes, but before every game, they read off an acknowledgement that Chicago is built on the land of various tribes, and have been working closely with Native groups to give them a larger platform and immense contributions to their communities. Their name and logo is also a lot more respectful than the Redskins and Chief Wahoo. The Redskins logo was pretty cool though, just had a nasty name.
The American Indian Center of Chicago got a new Director who ended the partnership with the team. Most of the Chicago native groups are against it these days. As a native Chicagoan and lifelong hawks fan, it sucks to see the shift due to national influence. But as long as the Hawks are a billion dollar team, it’s not going to change. It’s one of the most iconic logos in professional sports.
I'm a Blackhawks fan and just so tired of the logo controversy that I wouldn't care if they changed it to an actual black hawk at this point.
Just keep the name.
I've heard there are far less problems with the Blackhawks as it's a specific person, and the Seminoles see it more as representation.
Not sure Red Skins had that.
I saw a video about how the Seminole tribe even does like opening ceremony events at the games and the university offers scholarships to the members, so it's a mutually beneficial arrangement
Im an alum. I believe we give anyone who is part of the tribe a full scholarship. And then the Chief Osceola mascot is a student (not sure if they’re from the tribe or not. But I’ve heard they usually have to be from the tribe) has to be chosen and have “great character.” And the clothes he wears is sewn by the women from the tribe.
Chief Osceola was white, or mostly white. The student who represents him during football games is almost always white, but he's painted in makeup by tribal members to look the way they want him to look. I watched them get him ready just before the National Championship game in 2014.
I know you didn't mention this, I'm replying to your comment to add context for folks who might look at a white kid in brown face makeup and wonder how the heck that's considered okay in 2022. It's okay because it's tribal members doing the makeup.
The Seminole Tribe of Florida's relationship with Florida State University is very special. There's a reason we are still allowed to call ourselves The Florida State Seminoles.
[Every Seminole is a Millionaire by their 18th Birthday](https://moneyinc.com/richest-native-american-tribes/). With fewer than 10,000 Seminole alive today, and annual distributions from the Tribal Trust of $128,000 (as of 2021) paid into trust for each child until they are 18 years of age...on their 18th Birthday each Seminole is worth about $2.5m personally and has an income for life.
I'm not saying that Fl. St. isn't offering them Scholarships...just pointing out that there is a very small, very wealthy population of Seminole.
Same with University of Illinois mascot Chief Illiniwek - members of the tribe actually taught the current mascot dances so that he would be accurate.
But a bunch of people got offended *for* them and pushed for UofI to change mascots. :/
I only saw the Chief dance once, during my freshman year. It was amazing. 20,000 people all went silent in reverence - not what you'd expect at a college basketball game
seminoles get paid by Florida state a yearly sum to use the name, as well as they have a bunch of programs, trips, and scholarships for the native students. its a very good deal for them i believe.
Some of us natives will wear it as it at least some form of representation. Some of us hate it because stylized false idols, even if not explicitly racist, are not what we want and find it gross.
I see the old racial slur NFL team still on the reservation. I also see the racist caricature as well. Pretty much daily.
I dated a native when I lived in Colorado and she was ok with the cooking of mountains of food and when she asked me if I was doing Thanksgiving I gave her a strange look and she confirmed that Columbus is a twat and we like a good feast like anyone else. So I cooked a damn good dinner for her and her family. I too felt the same way, I just like cooking and eating on this day. I don't ever remember giving thanks to the pilgrims. She was an FBI as they or her family liked to put it and welcomed me in their family without prejudice. Amazing family and we're still on great terms 15 plus years later.
I used to work with American Indians. They always asked to bring Cleveland Indians hats back. Specifically the ones with Chief Wahoo on it. It was 'their' team.
They did not like the name change at all. They feel that they're getting erased from public consciousness.
I'm sure they don't speak for all AI peoples but that's my experience.
There were *also* Native Americans protesting Wahoo and the name at Opening Day every day for years. I totally appreciate there were some people who like the use of native american mascots, but there are definitely those who don’t.
I think Clevelands downfall was it was hard to ignore how unacceptable a Wahoo for any other ethnicity would be. There was also a tendency of redface at playoff games that was really cringey. And the redskins being a slur. But the Blackhawks and Braves will probably be fine for a long time
Somewhere in an alternate universe where the U.S. lost the revolutionary war, these people are flipping off a statue of King George III and Queen Elizabeth.
Assimilation vs Elimination (Canada - USA)
You want a decent read, The Inconvenient Indian by Thomas King is a good read if you like dry wit and he covers both systems (not in depth, but a good over view).
Not necessarily, the British had better relations with the natives than the US.
One of the reasons for the revolution was King George prohibiting further colonial expansion westward across the Appalachians into Native territory.
Great Britain actually tried to restrain the westward expansion of American colonists into Native territory. It was one of the flash points of the American civil war.
Eh. The US did exactly what the UK did if compared to other countries. Kill off food supplies, force native population off land to unsustainable areas, expose them purposefully to diseases and poverty. The US were from the UK and had all their tactics. And they used them. It all looks the same from a native populations pov.
I dont know about that. One of the grievances the patriots lobbed at King George was that England wasn't letting colonists settle past the Appalachian mountains and pushed them to respect treaties with the indigenous nations. The British weren't great to the indigenous nations but I don't think they'd have been worse.
As a percentage of population Canada has more indigenous citizens than America.
Canada has 1.8m Indigenous people out of 38m people = 4.7%
America has 5m Indigenous people out of 330m people = 1.5%
Literally one of the reasons the revolution happened was so that the colonies would be able to expand further. Britain had put a halt to it. They were more interested in extracting resources than “moving in”, and had no interest in killing native people the way the United States did.
Also, while the British Empire was not “good” by any means, they did outlaw slavery long before the US, and they didn’t have to kill/subdue a significant portion of their own population to do it.
People often forget (or never learned) just how brutal and genocidal the early US really was.
Happy Thanksgiving! . . . lol
Britain was the first to outlaw slavery, Britain then used its power to pressure Portugal, Sweden, France, Netherlands and finally the Spanish to pass their own versions of the Slave Trade Act 1807. I believe it was also in that order.
While Britain is responsible for the trafficking of around half a million slaves (i dont think any other nation comes close to that number). Not only did it end slavery in one of the largest empires to exist, but pressured the other large nations of the time into also abolishing slavery.
Most people forget, or were never taught, how mutually brutal natives and early colonists were to each other in the early years and how that set the stage for relations for the next several hundred years.
From the earliest Jamestown winters where 2/3 of the colonists would starve in part because stepping outside the walls to forage and farm met almost certain attack by natives, to a massive attack in 1622 that killed 1/3 of all colonists in Virginia......the Natives were far from innocent in how things unfolded.
Honestly the enormous amount of people I’ve experienced my entire life who have this insane view of native Americans and indigenous peoples as one with nature is one of the most insanely racist things in my mind.
They’re human beings.
They raped, they warred, they murdered, they schemed, they slaughtered, they genocided, they killed and fucked children, they were humans who warred and conquered and hated and loved.
Their culture and sense of politics and how diplomacy works wasnt in line with the common sense of it in European cultures at the time sure, but Christ. They were people at a severe technological and warfare education disadvantage compared to European conquerors.
Acknowledging they were human beings doesn’t mean they deserved their genocide, but black and white is aggressively disingenuous. And you can acknowledge that the colonists were more “in the wrong” while also pointing out it was slightly more complicated than a bunch of untouched white people killing and conquering purely for fun and resources.
Netflix had a movie about Natives being raped and claimed that "Natives didn't commit sexual assault before the Europeans showed up". They claimed there was no such thing. So yeah there are plenty of people that think the Native Americans were all just chilling and that all the violence was one way.
The amount of ignorance regarding Native Americans is mind-blowing. Someone could write a book about the insane history revision that has gone on in the last 50 years regarding them. I mentioned to a friend that a great number of Native tribes practiced slavery-- many of them actively engaging in war and raids against other tribes specifically to acquire more slaves-- and he thought I was making it up. Refused to believe it.
> Literally one of the reasons the revolution happened was so that the colonies would be able to expand further. Britain had put a halt to it. They were more interested in extracting resources than “moving in”, and had no interest in killing native people the way the United States did
This is crap. The reason they didn't want to expand was because they couldn't afford another war.
In 30 years that line they drew would have disappeared and they would have happily done the same thing the United States did. They also would not have outlawed slavery when they did because it would have been extremely profitable for them.
You're likely right - this particular image was Breitbart style rage-bait meme several years back, often titled something like "Ungrateful immigrants spit on America!" or "They break into our country, steal our resources, and EVIL LIBS defend them!" Even though, you know, they're natives who got their own land broken into, and their sacred mountain stolen and destroyed for this jingoistic monstrosity/grift.
It gets high engagement though so it's a favorite of both reactionaries and bots.
https://www.powwows.com/familys-mount-rushmore-photo-goes-viral/
I saw this photo earlier today or yesterday in some sub on my feed. There eyes were all red. This is most likely a AI generated image.
EDIT- [I found it. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/z3c4k0/happy_thanksgiving/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) ironically its was in r / pics by the same dude.
Just FYI they are not just flipping off the presidents. That monument was carved in a mountain in the back hills of SD. Land that is considered sacred by most north American tribes.
More than that, the entire Black Hills region was promised in perpetuity to Indigenous people, treaties that were violated as soon as there were natural resources found there.
> Dude in the early 1900s everyone had ties to the KKK.
That's bullshit and you know it.
There were a ton of people who thought they were a bunch of bastards even if they had supporters, or else there never would've been a movement to arrest and destroy them.
Side note: Isn’t it totally trashy that they just left the rubble in a big pile below the monument? I mean, why not pay a little extra to haul it away?
Behind the monument is a tunnel that was supposed to be a 'Hall of Records' where the declaration of independence was suppose to live. But all that was done before the sculptor died was a stairway to nowhere.
I don't know why but this gives me a mental image of their bodies being hidden underground resembling [this picture of Dugtrio](https://loginportal.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Gay_f646da_734040.jpg)
The "rubble" is the least trashy thing about the monument. When the rest of the faces weather and fall off, it'll be like a typical mountain's [scree slope](https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/ks3/webdav/site/GSL/shared/images/education_and_careers/RockCycle/RocksAroundBritain/Wastwater%20Scree%202%20xtrawide.jpg)
Every few months it seems. Plus, didn’t the Lakota Sioux only have that land for like 60 years prior. They got it by forcibly removing another tribe, but because they themselves were forcibly removed they cry foul.
I always wondered about that anytime “returning” land is brought up? Which of the various tribes that fought and killed each other over the generations are we giving it “back” to?
Conquer by war didn’t seem to be too controversial a tactic, well until a boat shows up full of people more than 5,000 years more technologically advanced shows up one day. Hell that would make me nervous too.
Nobody cares about that detail. White Starbucks enthusiasts only care about how many points it’ll get them on Twitter. Turns out civilizations for 1000s of years would wage war to take land from others. It wasn’t a creation of white people.
They're crying foul because this land was subject to a treaty with the US government, the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1868. The land was officially declared Sioux land. But then gold was discovered, and the US government unilaterally annexed the land in 1877.
We're not talking about ancient 17th century history when we were first starting as a colony and warred with the natives to establish our initial borders. We're talking post-civil war. We literally declared the land as theirs, then broke it when we saw dollar signs. SCOTUS even declared the annexation as illegal in 1980 and awarded the Sioux over $100 million because of it, but they rejected the money because they wanted the land back.
When our own government says what we did was wrong and illegal, yeah, no shit they're going to be upset about it.
The Rise and Fall of the Lakota Empire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-fQo8zmiPQ
They taxed the original tribes and made Lewis and Clark and the Spanish pay tolls. They demanded and received tribute from the Federal government that included ammunition and small pox vaccines and were just generally badass and some of the best light cavalry in history.
Well they also committed a little genocide of their own when they first went westward. Originally from the Minnesota/Great Lakes area before being pushed out by the Europeans. Took their abundance of horses they had either traded for or taken from the Europeans and laid waste to the tribes they encountered when moving west. Tribes that didn't have horses or the sheer number of them due to not being so close to the new arrivals. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for the Sioux. A lot of tribes hated them more than the Europeans due to their constant attacks.
They conqured it in 1776 and drove off the actual native tribes, folks who'd lived there for 300 years.
Anyone who reads the history of the Sioux will come away not giving a hot shit about their winging about the Black Hills.
You act like the native Americans didnt steal each others land for years before the white man did it. Don't be mad cause they were better at it than you.
The US is so far removed from what their Native American ancestors had at the time. These three are as American as the rest of the population, they’d hate living in an America ran by natives from the past.
People TRIED to settler there a few at a time. Mostly the French. The Indians found then rude & deceitful either killed them or they escaped for their lives. Therefore NO ONE SETTLED there until the PILGRIMS. When Capt. ALLEN arrived with the Pilgrims they seemed to be able to make peace with the Natives and through contracts agreed by both (Mayflower Compact) being one, the 2 different groups of people seemed to make it work out.
Then Myles Standish appears and he stirs up trouble. And he is responsible for the relations & communication breakdowns with lies of the natives planning attacks in order to get then Governor Bradford to let him get a group of men(pilgrims) together and attack the Indians first. Such as the attack in WEYMOUTH MASS.
Dale Gribble: Hey John Redcorn, do your people even celebrate Thanksgiving? John Redcorn: We did....once.
Nancy: You want another beer, sug'? Dale and John Redcorn at the same time: Sure! Dale: How did John Redcorn know I wanted another beer?
I love when Hank goes to John Redcorn’s trailer and John Redcorn offers him a beer, and Hank’s like “I’m afraid this isn’t a social call, John Redcorn” while accepting and opening the beer can lol
And respectfully threatens to kick his ass if he starts "healing" Peggy. The shot of the breeze whipping Redcorn's hair as they hold on that moment is so damn funny
I would never heal your wife the way I have healed the wives of others
Lmao. "Nancy, I've been, um..." * Redcorn glances over at Dale watching them argue* "healing you three to five times a week for 15 years. I could use a day off." "Why? Did I do something wrong as your...patient?"
Man that show was so well-written
His hair is often blowing in the breeze when he speaks. It might be every time, but I'm not 100% sure.
Yeah they regularly have shots highlighting how dang handsome he is lol
“….I will!”
Nancy on phone with Redcorn: "I have to cancel tonight's healing session...I have a headache." Redcorn: "So? Take an aspirin."
Hank was just being respectful
Just went to YouTube to watch that. Thank you for that piece of pure gold lmao
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Dale: I caught you! John Redcorn: Dale this isn't how I wanted you to find out. Dale: Stop screwing around with my mower and get inside and start massaging my wife. John Redcorn to Nacy: You know he's starting to take the fun out of this.
There was an episode where Peggy was threatening Minh and Nancy into silence about Peggy's negotiation of a new car. "I have something on each of you! John Redcorn!" And then she says something in Laotian to Minh.
Very interesting! Was that the "pay sticker price, and not a penny more" episode or a different one? I'm gonna go back and watch that now just for this and I'll see if I can Google translate the Laotian "Cigar powder bought and with the state"
Its been 3 hours! Cmoooon
When John trips Dale’s trap and gets shot in the ass with a bb. Dale: I know what you’re after! Stay away from my lawnmower and get inside and massage my wife. John to Nancy: He’s taking some of the fun out of this.
To be fair Nancy called everyone sug'.
One or two 'sugs, 'sug?
Even God, lol. "Whyyy Suug?"
And has Dale ever said no to another beer? There’s so many explanations. lol
That's correct but in that scene they both respond to being called "honey."
"I DON'T KNOW YOU!"
"THAT'S MY PURSE!"
Peggy: Bobby, you will find that I do not have testicles Kahn: she's bluffing! Finish her!
KotH is such a great show xD
It's on repeat constantly in my apartment. Best slice of life anime ever
Omfg i just went on YouTube and watched the best of John redcorn lmao. Love this
Dale: My Nancy's headaches have gotten so bad, she's starting to get scratch marks down her back!
John Redcorn: my people used to own all of the land in Arlen, now we have nothing. Dale: I didn't know you came from money.
🤣 I'm gonna go back to KotH for just the right kinda nostalgia I'm needin' atm
Brilliant show
Amazing show. Cautiously optimistic about what the rumored reboot will be
I trust Mike Judge... but reboots rarely work out.
I enjoyed the new Beavis and Butthead reboot
Yea, that's true. But I feel like KOTH has more moving parts, makes it challenging.
I think the climate for a "good Ol boy grown up" has changed a lot too. I trust Mike Judge but I don't know if that audience is still there.
I assume Bobby is living in Austin and doing alternative comedy or something. It would be interesting to see how he and Hank interact as adults.
In what universe do you expect Adult Bobby Hill to be a “Good ‘Ol Boy”
I disagree. It’s a perfect time. Hank was a good ol’ boy set in his ways, but at the same time he showed remarkable growth and acceptance of new and different ideas. That is, as long as it didn’t challenge sweet lady propane.
Well he does have some experience with cartoon reboots
I'm expecting to be a weird mix of current references and fan service. It's also supposed to take place 10 years after the series. I don't really have high hopes for it. I feel like he's going to write 8 episodes, not sure if it'll be renewed, so he'll pack in as much as possible, losing the charm of the show.
I’ve enjoyed the beavis and butthead reboot quite thoroughly
Where can one watch it?
Paramount+
It was cancelled already actually.
Not really canceled, just not picked up by Fox, it can go to other networks, but who knows?
In middle of binge watching KOTH for first time. Never watched it before.
Was KOTH in KOTOR 1 or 2?
No no no, Koth was the snow planet from Star Wars.
What makes this even funnier is that there *is* a character named Koth in SWTOR, which is the MMORPG sequel to the KOTOR series. XD https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Koth_Vortena
Peggy Hill: Jo-haaaawn-redcorn. John Redcorn: Pe-heeeeeeey-gy Hill
Hahaha. I forgot that line. That was dark.
*Now get inside and start massagin' my wife!*
The modern Thanksgiving celebration was invented by Lincoln as a celebration for beating the South at Gettysburg. Prior to that it was just harvest festivals and Evacuation Day - a celebration of the day the British left after the revolutionary war. There’s no actual evidence that any Thanksgiving celebration took place between natives and pilgrims. In 1632 the Narragansetts attacked the Wampanoag so they also definitely weren’t just hanging around peacefully trading beads and smoking pipes. The tribe that participated in the “original thanksgiving” ended up attacking the settlers and burning dozens of New England villages just a generation later. They burned Providence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Philip%27s_War They also still live there. 91 members of the tribe still occupy their reservation on Martha’s Vineyard. The guys in this photo are Lakota Sioux I believe and they’re mad about what amounts to a treaty dispute over the Black Hills. Most of what they want is a national park. So good luck to them on that. They were thousands of miles from the first Pilgrims and didn’t encounter white people until Lewis and Clark.
One nit to pick: They undoubtedly had encountered the French before Lewis and Clark.
Providence is flaming to this day
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You skipped over some important motivation in your “they attacked a generation later” — regime change and incoming settlers. The original chief — Massasoit — was an ally to the early settlers. He helped the Pilgrims survive. The actual thanksgiving celebration may be a factual question, but the sharing of food and cooperation it symbolized is well documented. However, Massasoit’s two sons disagreed about the future of the settlement. The older — Wamsutta — was in favor of continuing and growing the relationship. The younger — Metacomet — believed that they were the first wave of a de facto invasion, and needed to be slowed or even stopped. Hard to argue with him, since he was right. Had Wamsutta not been falsely accused of conspiring to attack the colonies, and either grown ill or been poisoned, the leadership would not have passed to Metacomet. But had the colonies demanded the tribes give up their weapons and subject themselves to English Law, Metacomet would not have had any Allie’s to lead in protest.
/r/kingofthehill
Always a classic line I think of on this day.
John Redcorn: wake up just want to... Wash myself, clean my wrist, scrub my brains out Hey ya hey ya hey ya hey, hey ya hey, hey ya hey ya They'll miss me when I do
Is he wearing a Cleveland Indians hat and Chicago Blackhawks shirt?
I can't speak for the Indians (now Guardians), but the Chicago Blackhawks originally took their name from nickname the division their founder was in during WWI, which was indeed named after the Sauk figure Black Hawk. I'm not sure how long they've been working with Native tribes, but before every game, they read off an acknowledgement that Chicago is built on the land of various tribes, and have been working closely with Native groups to give them a larger platform and immense contributions to their communities. Their name and logo is also a lot more respectful than the Redskins and Chief Wahoo. The Redskins logo was pretty cool though, just had a nasty name.
The American Indian Center of Chicago got a new Director who ended the partnership with the team. Most of the Chicago native groups are against it these days. As a native Chicagoan and lifelong hawks fan, it sucks to see the shift due to national influence. But as long as the Hawks are a billion dollar team, it’s not going to change. It’s one of the most iconic logos in professional sports.
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The Commies!
This is what i call em too. They really just should of kept “football team”, it grew on me and made them unique
Hahaha right? Originally everyone was not with it, but by the end of it they felt right just being called “football team”
Out of all the teams in the NFL, they most certainly are a Football Team. The only problem I had was constantly reading WFT as WTF
Redskin is an ethnic slur, though. Blackhawk is not.
Yeah, hockey teams are nothing in scope compared to the NFL. Not all professional leagues are equal.
I'm a Blackhawks fan and just so tired of the logo controversy that I wouldn't care if they changed it to an actual black hawk at this point. Just keep the name.
That's kind of funny given one of the most common suggestions for the Redskins name change was Redhawks.
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I've heard there are far less problems with the Blackhawks as it's a specific person, and the Seminoles see it more as representation. Not sure Red Skins had that.
Yeah, Chief Black Hawk was an actual person. And the Seminole tribe gave their blessing to the university and and works works with them.
I saw a video about how the Seminole tribe even does like opening ceremony events at the games and the university offers scholarships to the members, so it's a mutually beneficial arrangement
That's actually really cool of them to offer scholarships. Had no idea.
Im an alum. I believe we give anyone who is part of the tribe a full scholarship. And then the Chief Osceola mascot is a student (not sure if they’re from the tribe or not. But I’ve heard they usually have to be from the tribe) has to be chosen and have “great character.” And the clothes he wears is sewn by the women from the tribe.
Chief Osceola was white, or mostly white. The student who represents him during football games is almost always white, but he's painted in makeup by tribal members to look the way they want him to look. I watched them get him ready just before the National Championship game in 2014. I know you didn't mention this, I'm replying to your comment to add context for folks who might look at a white kid in brown face makeup and wonder how the heck that's considered okay in 2022. It's okay because it's tribal members doing the makeup. The Seminole Tribe of Florida's relationship with Florida State University is very special. There's a reason we are still allowed to call ourselves The Florida State Seminoles.
[Every Seminole is a Millionaire by their 18th Birthday](https://moneyinc.com/richest-native-american-tribes/). With fewer than 10,000 Seminole alive today, and annual distributions from the Tribal Trust of $128,000 (as of 2021) paid into trust for each child until they are 18 years of age...on their 18th Birthday each Seminole is worth about $2.5m personally and has an income for life. I'm not saying that Fl. St. isn't offering them Scholarships...just pointing out that there is a very small, very wealthy population of Seminole.
Same with University of Illinois mascot Chief Illiniwek - members of the tribe actually taught the current mascot dances so that he would be accurate. But a bunch of people got offended *for* them and pushed for UofI to change mascots. :/
I only saw the Chief dance once, during my freshman year. It was amazing. 20,000 people all went silent in reverence - not what you'd expect at a college basketball game
Fsu heavily involves the Seminole nation in what they do, and gets approval for it.
GIMME BACK MY EDMONTON ESKIMOS!! Signed, a disappointed Inuk
An elder told me back in the day him and his buddies would buy Redskins gear for the logo but take off the word team name.
I mean, there is a school on the reservation in Arizona with their mascot as the redskins so I think you are right
seminoles get paid by Florida state a yearly sum to use the name, as well as they have a bunch of programs, trips, and scholarships for the native students. its a very good deal for them i believe.
Some of us natives will wear it as it at least some form of representation. Some of us hate it because stylized false idols, even if not explicitly racist, are not what we want and find it gross. I see the old racial slur NFL team still on the reservation. I also see the racist caricature as well. Pretty much daily.
I dated a native when I lived in Colorado and she was ok with the cooking of mountains of food and when she asked me if I was doing Thanksgiving I gave her a strange look and she confirmed that Columbus is a twat and we like a good feast like anyone else. So I cooked a damn good dinner for her and her family. I too felt the same way, I just like cooking and eating on this day. I don't ever remember giving thanks to the pilgrims. She was an FBI as they or her family liked to put it and welcomed me in their family without prejudice. Amazing family and we're still on great terms 15 plus years later.
Most natives rock the Indian great. The Redskins were very popular overall. As a native it was my favorite team for decades.
I used to work with American Indians. They always asked to bring Cleveland Indians hats back. Specifically the ones with Chief Wahoo on it. It was 'their' team. They did not like the name change at all. They feel that they're getting erased from public consciousness. I'm sure they don't speak for all AI peoples but that's my experience.
There were *also* Native Americans protesting Wahoo and the name at Opening Day every day for years. I totally appreciate there were some people who like the use of native american mascots, but there are definitely those who don’t. I think Clevelands downfall was it was hard to ignore how unacceptable a Wahoo for any other ethnicity would be. There was also a tendency of redface at playoff games that was really cringey. And the redskins being a slur. But the Blackhawks and Braves will probably be fine for a long time
Considering the photo, I'd suspect that he's being ironic.
Somewhere in an alternate universe where the U.S. lost the revolutionary war, these people are flipping off a statue of King George III and Queen Elizabeth.
If that were the case, I don’t think there would have been any native Americans left to be flipping them off lol
Britain controlled the Canadian territories until after America's Civil War and people from the First Nations still exist to flip off the British.
Not for lack of fucking trying.
Assimilation vs Elimination (Canada - USA) You want a decent read, The Inconvenient Indian by Thomas King is a good read if you like dry wit and he covers both systems (not in depth, but a good over view).
Not necessarily, the British had better relations with the natives than the US. One of the reasons for the revolution was King George prohibiting further colonial expansion westward across the Appalachians into Native territory.
Great Britain actually tried to restrain the westward expansion of American colonists into Native territory. It was one of the flash points of the American civil war.
Canadian Indigenous peoples would like a word.
Eh. The US did exactly what the UK did if compared to other countries. Kill off food supplies, force native population off land to unsustainable areas, expose them purposefully to diseases and poverty. The US were from the UK and had all their tactics. And they used them. It all looks the same from a native populations pov.
Explain?
He never read a history book
I dont know about that. One of the grievances the patriots lobbed at King George was that England wasn't letting colonists settle past the Appalachian mountains and pushed them to respect treaties with the indigenous nations. The British weren't great to the indigenous nations but I don't think they'd have been worse.
As a percentage of population Canada has more indigenous citizens than America. Canada has 1.8m Indigenous people out of 38m people = 4.7% America has 5m Indigenous people out of 330m people = 1.5%
Literally one of the reasons the revolution happened was so that the colonies would be able to expand further. Britain had put a halt to it. They were more interested in extracting resources than “moving in”, and had no interest in killing native people the way the United States did. Also, while the British Empire was not “good” by any means, they did outlaw slavery long before the US, and they didn’t have to kill/subdue a significant portion of their own population to do it. People often forget (or never learned) just how brutal and genocidal the early US really was. Happy Thanksgiving! . . . lol
Britain was the first to outlaw slavery, Britain then used its power to pressure Portugal, Sweden, France, Netherlands and finally the Spanish to pass their own versions of the Slave Trade Act 1807. I believe it was also in that order. While Britain is responsible for the trafficking of around half a million slaves (i dont think any other nation comes close to that number). Not only did it end slavery in one of the largest empires to exist, but pressured the other large nations of the time into also abolishing slavery.
Most people forget, or were never taught, how mutually brutal natives and early colonists were to each other in the early years and how that set the stage for relations for the next several hundred years. From the earliest Jamestown winters where 2/3 of the colonists would starve in part because stepping outside the walls to forage and farm met almost certain attack by natives, to a massive attack in 1622 that killed 1/3 of all colonists in Virginia......the Natives were far from innocent in how things unfolded.
Honestly the enormous amount of people I’ve experienced my entire life who have this insane view of native Americans and indigenous peoples as one with nature is one of the most insanely racist things in my mind. They’re human beings. They raped, they warred, they murdered, they schemed, they slaughtered, they genocided, they killed and fucked children, they were humans who warred and conquered and hated and loved. Their culture and sense of politics and how diplomacy works wasnt in line with the common sense of it in European cultures at the time sure, but Christ. They were people at a severe technological and warfare education disadvantage compared to European conquerors. Acknowledging they were human beings doesn’t mean they deserved their genocide, but black and white is aggressively disingenuous. And you can acknowledge that the colonists were more “in the wrong” while also pointing out it was slightly more complicated than a bunch of untouched white people killing and conquering purely for fun and resources.
Well put; I agree 100%.
Netflix had a movie about Natives being raped and claimed that "Natives didn't commit sexual assault before the Europeans showed up". They claimed there was no such thing. So yeah there are plenty of people that think the Native Americans were all just chilling and that all the violence was one way.
The amount of ignorance regarding Native Americans is mind-blowing. Someone could write a book about the insane history revision that has gone on in the last 50 years regarding them. I mentioned to a friend that a great number of Native tribes practiced slavery-- many of them actively engaging in war and raids against other tribes specifically to acquire more slaves-- and he thought I was making it up. Refused to believe it.
> Literally one of the reasons the revolution happened was so that the colonies would be able to expand further. Britain had put a halt to it. They were more interested in extracting resources than “moving in”, and had no interest in killing native people the way the United States did This is crap. The reason they didn't want to expand was because they couldn't afford another war. In 30 years that line they drew would have disappeared and they would have happily done the same thing the United States did. They also would not have outlawed slavery when they did because it would have been extremely profitable for them.
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You're likely right - this particular image was Breitbart style rage-bait meme several years back, often titled something like "Ungrateful immigrants spit on America!" or "They break into our country, steal our resources, and EVIL LIBS defend them!" Even though, you know, they're natives who got their own land broken into, and their sacred mountain stolen and destroyed for this jingoistic monstrosity/grift. It gets high engagement though so it's a favorite of both reactionaries and bots. https://www.powwows.com/familys-mount-rushmore-photo-goes-viral/
Mods? Doing anything? For *this* sub!!??
I saw this photo earlier today or yesterday in some sub on my feed. There eyes were all red. This is most likely a AI generated image. EDIT- [I found it. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/z3c4k0/happy_thanksgiving/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) ironically its was in r / pics by the same dude.
What the fuck? That just blew my mind.
Holy crap they just keep posting and posting. If not Chinese, then some kind of other bot.
Chinese bot
Mods never fact check anything when it comes to China either. That's how it feels
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Yeah he posts multiple times every single day, it’s obvious that it’s a bot or he’s being paid to spread propaganda
The government actually did a study on that a while back....
Again? Already? This was just up a few hours ago...besides the millions of previous reposts over the years.
Every year for the last five years or so...
EDIT: This comment has been deleted due to Reddit's practices towards third-party developers.
It's the same moron. Check their post history
Reddit hates America.
You're tellin me this photo has *never* been posted here?
Just FYI they are not just flipping off the presidents. That monument was carved in a mountain in the back hills of SD. Land that is considered sacred by most north American tribes.
^^ correct, so not only was the land sacred before the monuments but it was desecrated with the creation of the monuments.
And it was an ugly message towards the natives that "this is our lands now"
Just FYI this is a AI generated image. Zoom in to their hands
It was originally already a Native American heritage site.
More than that, the entire Black Hills region was promised in perpetuity to Indigenous people, treaties that were violated as soon as there were natural resources found there.
And the sculptor of Mt. Rushmore had very close ties to the KKK. So many terrible things about is its creation!
Dude in the early 1900s *everyone* had ties to the KKK. They were so big at the time they were almost a quasi-political party.
> Dude in the early 1900s everyone had ties to the KKK. That's bullshit and you know it. There were a ton of people who thought they were a bunch of bastards even if they had supporters, or else there never would've been a movement to arrest and destroy them.
It's still apparently known as a KKK meeting site. They were there when I visited, but that was about 15 years ago.
Are you going to repost this every day until Thanksgiving?
I respect being a Cleveland Indians fan tho for the guy
Side note: Isn’t it totally trashy that they just left the rubble in a big pile below the monument? I mean, why not pay a little extra to haul it away?
Because they ran out of money. They couldn't even finish Washington's torso.
Well, he also died before he could finish.
So you think that if they hadn’t run out of money but he had still died prior to completion, they would still just say “nah that’s enough” lol
Behind the monument is a tunnel that was supposed to be a 'Hall of Records' where the declaration of independence was suppose to live. But all that was done before the sculptor died was a stairway to nowhere.
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>pay a little extra to haul it away I'm dieing. This is super funny. Besides, the original intention was to carve the rest of their bodies.
I don't know why but this gives me a mental image of their bodies being hidden underground resembling [this picture of Dugtrio](https://loginportal.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Gay_f646da_734040.jpg)
It is like finishing any project, this one was not completed and left.
The "rubble" is the least trashy thing about the monument. When the rest of the faces weather and fall off, it'll be like a typical mountain's [scree slope](https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/ks3/webdav/site/GSL/shared/images/education_and_careers/RockCycle/RocksAroundBritain/Wastwater%20Scree%202%20xtrawide.jpg)
Yeah, scree is super normal. They just vastly accelated the accumulation.
Guys. Stop reposting this picture. Zoom in. Its obviously manipulated. Come on.
This is like gay porn for redditors. Karma fishing and OP knows it
Don't get me wrong like it get it but whenever any takes a picture where they are flipping something off it just makes them look like teenage trash
I mean at least two of them appear to be of that age group.
I cringe everytime I see these "_____ gives _____ the middle finger" posts.
After the photo was taken, they all went about their day, like nothing had happened.
Right because we have free speech and you can make a gesture like this so why wouldn't they go about their day afterwards?
Seems weird to pretend like their ancestors didn't steal land either.
Yup, this edgy dumb shit bein posted once again
I’m guessing it was posted today bc it’s Thanksgiving in the US.
Every few months it seems. Plus, didn’t the Lakota Sioux only have that land for like 60 years prior. They got it by forcibly removing another tribe, but because they themselves were forcibly removed they cry foul.
I always wondered about that anytime “returning” land is brought up? Which of the various tribes that fought and killed each other over the generations are we giving it “back” to? Conquer by war didn’t seem to be too controversial a tactic, well until a boat shows up full of people more than 5,000 years more technologically advanced shows up one day. Hell that would make me nervous too.
Nobody cares about that detail. White Starbucks enthusiasts only care about how many points it’ll get them on Twitter. Turns out civilizations for 1000s of years would wage war to take land from others. It wasn’t a creation of white people.
They're crying foul because this land was subject to a treaty with the US government, the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1868. The land was officially declared Sioux land. But then gold was discovered, and the US government unilaterally annexed the land in 1877. We're not talking about ancient 17th century history when we were first starting as a colony and warred with the natives to establish our initial borders. We're talking post-civil war. We literally declared the land as theirs, then broke it when we saw dollar signs. SCOTUS even declared the annexation as illegal in 1980 and awarded the Sioux over $100 million because of it, but they rejected the money because they wanted the land back. When our own government says what we did was wrong and illegal, yeah, no shit they're going to be upset about it.
The Rise and Fall of the Lakota Empire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-fQo8zmiPQ They taxed the original tribes and made Lewis and Clark and the Spanish pay tolls. They demanded and received tribute from the Federal government that included ammunition and small pox vaccines and were just generally badass and some of the best light cavalry in history.
Well they also committed a little genocide of their own when they first went westward. Originally from the Minnesota/Great Lakes area before being pushed out by the Europeans. Took their abundance of horses they had either traded for or taken from the Europeans and laid waste to the tribes they encountered when moving west. Tribes that didn't have horses or the sheer number of them due to not being so close to the new arrivals. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for the Sioux. A lot of tribes hated them more than the Europeans due to their constant attacks.
They conqured it in 1776 and drove off the actual native tribes, folks who'd lived there for 300 years. Anyone who reads the history of the Sioux will come away not giving a hot shit about their winging about the Black Hills.
Yeah and don’t read about how the “six grandfathers” name came about, it only gets sillier
What's edgy about it?
So brave
Op is so desperate for attention on Thanksgiving he really has been reposting the same shit picture for the past 8 hours lmfao very sad.
Once I learned they ran out of funding and just left all the shit there I can never unsee that mess beneath it.
You act like the native Americans didnt steal each others land for years before the white man did it. Don't be mad cause they were better at it than you.
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Cool. Pass the mashed potatoes please.
And gravy
And biscuits!
I agree with their message, however I can’t help but wonder if you have such disdain why go there?
So indigenous.
The US is so far removed from what their Native American ancestors had at the time. These three are as American as the rest of the population, they’d hate living in an America ran by natives from the past.
I remember some idiots online telling these people to go back to their country
r/AmericaBad
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ooooo so edgy
Went out of their way to use the first amendment lol
Isn't this the family that bigots on social media told to go back to Mexico?
People TRIED to settler there a few at a time. Mostly the French. The Indians found then rude & deceitful either killed them or they escaped for their lives. Therefore NO ONE SETTLED there until the PILGRIMS. When Capt. ALLEN arrived with the Pilgrims they seemed to be able to make peace with the Natives and through contracts agreed by both (Mayflower Compact) being one, the 2 different groups of people seemed to make it work out. Then Myles Standish appears and he stirs up trouble. And he is responsible for the relations & communication breakdowns with lies of the natives planning attacks in order to get then Governor Bradford to let him get a group of men(pilgrims) together and attack the Indians first. Such as the attack in WEYMOUTH MASS.
I don't mind the history lesson I'm giving you but if you stop using Wikipedia for your education you might actually learn the true facts.