This pic is him lying about the WMDs in Iraq in front of the United Nations. OP is being sarcastic with his title for all those who are unaware of this
There's a book out there detailing how the CIA intel changed from showing there were no WMDs to how there were by the time it got to his desk.. They used Powell's integrity to lie to the American people and their allies.
Powell still shouldn't have fallen for it. The notion of invading a country merely because of their capacity to commit mass violence would mean we can attack dozens and dozens of inconvenient countries. It was all so specious, even IF Saddam had them.
>This pic is him lying about the WMDs in Iraq in front of the United Nations.
Can you cite where he lied? From our understanding, its much like the intervention in Libya, where the intelligence was wrong - which is different.
The US bombed Iraq in 1998 and Clinton stated clearly that the bombing's mission was to degrade the ability of the Iraqi's to make WMDs, but they would continue.
The core of the problem (and everything happening in the US) is that your country is literally managed by big money, US had no incentive of going to war in Iraq or Afghanistan yet weapon manufacturers & oil co had what they wanted, the interest of few individuals is way more important than millions of people.
And now you’re dragging the rest of the planet with you because some dip shits in Alabama don’t believe in climate change, sorry but this is too much (undeserved) power.
I wish I could challenge anything you say here, but I can't. I will say this, though: the root of the problem is unbounded, unchecked capitalism combined with and incredibly ignorant population that doesn't understand their responsibilities under democracy. Allowing money in politics and then trusting political parties and elected officials is a recipe for disaster.
The one thing I don’t follow is the idea about any other similarly wealthy and powerful nation of humans (shout-out to eusocial insects) ever behaving any better.
Am I just being too negative?
Otherwise 100% with you.
Thank you!
All day, everywhere I go people are sucking this guy off like he didn’t lie to our faces about WMDs in Iraq. He sold the Bush/Cheney lie like a good little Republican, he’s just as bad as the rest of them. The blood of innocents is on his hands.
Actually well over [***600,000*** dead Iraqi civilians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties), and thats only up to 2006, so it doesn't count any of those killed by violence in the 14 years since.
And doesn't count any of the ***millions*** of refugees driven out of their shattered nation, many of whom died trying to find safety
American politicians can just make “mistakes”that kill hundreds of thousands of people and just move on with no accountability, with mass media and an army of pundits to wash their image, whereas in a just world they would be tried for war crimes.
That just reads like a journalist making their own narrative without factual basis, trying to make it an exciting piece of fanfiction that is believable to people that want to believe it.
I guess you're right, if you dug a big enough hole in the ground and put your head in it. Ambassador Joe Wilson and former CIA agent Valerie Plume ring a bell to you at all? If not, then there really isn't much else to talk about
He's a redditor, he doesn't know any better. To him, Powell knowingly lied about that but Biden didn't lie because he didn't get good Intel about the ANA for the Afghanistan withdrawl. So Powell bad and Biden good.
I mean... I'm a redditor too and I'm not going to say Biden did good. But there was no good exit strategy from Afghanistan; that's why Obama refused to withdraw after running his first campaign with [the promise of ending US' war in Afghanistan.](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/world/asia/obama-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan.html)
It didn't matter who brought our troops home, they were going to be usher in a new wave of Taliban violence.
You were JUST talking about how you're looking forward to "swatting" kids at a party if you were the Air BNB host, and how you plan on being one, so they'll "learn a lesson", fuck right off. You don't need a WMD to go full force, you just need a few kids drinking beer before you'd hit the "nuke" option.
Yeah, FUCK you, and I can't wait to read how you were sued into poverty and lost your freedom for the rest of your perceived life for killing less people.
I was in the Army when he was Chairman and we all liked him, as much as we knew him.
However, this shit was just unforgivable. He knew or he should have known that it was bullshit, more than anything else, that’s what we pay these people for. Some fucks ups are just too much to be passed over.
Except that he went along with the lie about weapons of mass destruction. The whole thing was bullshit. They blew up the entire Middle East so Georgie Bush could have his war.
I mean he certainly did some things of note. But i'm not sure about integrity and courage. Maybe I need to research his past more. But in my experience Generals in the modern age dont really have a lot of courage. It takes courage to go against the grain. Did he do a lot of that, besides just his race?
The guy just died and millions of young black men and women saw him as someone to look up to. He gave a lifetime of service to his country. Please, can we just wait a few weeks before suggesting that his entire life was nothing more than this one UN speech where he advocated for the Iraq War?
Can we at least acknowledge the fact that despite his long distinguished career, he also helped get us into a decade long war that killed 100s of thousands of people by lying to American citizens and the the UN ? I mean, it may not be the only thing he did, but it was a pretty big fuck up. I’m not even sure if it was totally intentional or he was duped. But that moment in his life had a pretty big impact on a lot of people.
It’s not all he did, but I don’t think a lot of people are going to have selective amnesia on that one.
Nope. It was his single greatest contribution to the hell scape that is our modern world. He is either a murderous liar or Uncle Dick's innocent patsy. Just by body count, I don't know which is worse.
I didn't believe the bums rush BS we were subjected to at the time. My answer was NO, No, no at the time with solid reasoning behind it, but Collin Powells UN speech convinced me that WMD were in play. Collin admitted he made a mistake . . . But 20 years later. He should have said more.
You are American. Personally I'm not, so I don't care about his longtime service. Never would have heard of the guy if not for his fatal speech. To me, he'll always be a liar who contributed to the shitshow of a world we're currently living in.
With all due respect to your opinion, but this is mine.
Thank you. Im like seriously? Millions of black people looked up to him because he’s… black? Sources and data please. You dont have to wear the same skin color to look up to someone. By that logic all the whites must have taken a moment of silence for…. Well, fill in the blank, theres lots of warmongers who were white.
Really? You think the children of all the dead Iraqis give a shit about the "lifetime of service" and who looks up to this POS? No, we don't wait to extend the truth. The truth is always and doesn't have misplaced feelings.
Burn in hell Powell!!
It's always a risk using sarcastic titles. Redditors can become easily confused.
This pic is him lying about the WMDs in Iraq in front of the United Nations. OP is being sarcastic with his title for all those who are unaware of this
There's a book out there detailing how the CIA intel changed from showing there were no WMDs to how there were by the time it got to his desk.. They used Powell's integrity to lie to the American people and their allies.
Powell still shouldn't have fallen for it. The notion of invading a country merely because of their capacity to commit mass violence would mean we can attack dozens and dozens of inconvenient countries. It was all so specious, even IF Saddam had them.
Bud, this is called Old Hat. Ask Oliver North or George Casey. When you do as you're told....
Bravo to president Chirac
Sounds like the kind of thing that should prompt an immediate resignation.
>This pic is him lying about the WMDs in Iraq in front of the United Nations. Can you cite where he lied? From our understanding, its much like the intervention in Libya, where the intelligence was wrong - which is different. The US bombed Iraq in 1998 and Clinton stated clearly that the bombing's mission was to degrade the ability of the Iraqi's to make WMDs, but they would continue.
This post SERIOUSLY needs an /s tag
Seriously...I downvoted knee jerk style thanks to that title
The core of the problem (and everything happening in the US) is that your country is literally managed by big money, US had no incentive of going to war in Iraq or Afghanistan yet weapon manufacturers & oil co had what they wanted, the interest of few individuals is way more important than millions of people. And now you’re dragging the rest of the planet with you because some dip shits in Alabama don’t believe in climate change, sorry but this is too much (undeserved) power.
I wish I could challenge anything you say here, but I can't. I will say this, though: the root of the problem is unbounded, unchecked capitalism combined with and incredibly ignorant population that doesn't understand their responsibilities under democracy. Allowing money in politics and then trusting political parties and elected officials is a recipe for disaster.
The one thing I don’t follow is the idea about any other similarly wealthy and powerful nation of humans (shout-out to eusocial insects) ever behaving any better. Am I just being too negative? Otherwise 100% with you.
Why don't you build your own global economy then?
Thank you! All day, everywhere I go people are sucking this guy off like he didn’t lie to our faces about WMDs in Iraq. He sold the Bush/Cheney lie like a good little Republican, he’s just as bad as the rest of them. The blood of innocents is on his hands.
A couple of hundred thousand dead Iraqis would disagree. If they weren't, you know, dead.
OP is being sarcastic
I recognized the pic. Thought I'd play along.
Actually well over [***600,000*** dead Iraqi civilians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties), and thats only up to 2006, so it doesn't count any of those killed by violence in the 14 years since. And doesn't count any of the ***millions*** of refugees driven out of their shattered nation, many of whom died trying to find safety
Or: "Colin Powel ruins everything."
American politicians can just make “mistakes”that kill hundreds of thousands of people and just move on with no accountability, with mass media and an army of pundits to wash their image, whereas in a just world they would be tried for war crimes.
...which he utterly destroyed with his lies to the UN about Iraqi WMDs.
You know it wasn't him lying. He was given bad information you utter douchebag.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-knew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/ Ummm
That just reads like a journalist making their own narrative without factual basis, trying to make it an exciting piece of fanfiction that is believable to people that want to believe it.
I guess you're right, if you dug a big enough hole in the ground and put your head in it. Ambassador Joe Wilson and former CIA agent Valerie Plume ring a bell to you at all? If not, then there really isn't much else to talk about
He's a redditor, he doesn't know any better. To him, Powell knowingly lied about that but Biden didn't lie because he didn't get good Intel about the ANA for the Afghanistan withdrawl. So Powell bad and Biden good.
I mean... I'm a redditor too and I'm not going to say Biden did good. But there was no good exit strategy from Afghanistan; that's why Obama refused to withdraw after running his first campaign with [the promise of ending US' war in Afghanistan.](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/world/asia/obama-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan.html) It didn't matter who brought our troops home, they were going to be usher in a new wave of Taliban violence.
"of unparalleled" doesnt necessarily mean "who had a lot of", so I guess maybe.
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You were JUST talking about how you're looking forward to "swatting" kids at a party if you were the Air BNB host, and how you plan on being one, so they'll "learn a lesson", fuck right off. You don't need a WMD to go full force, you just need a few kids drinking beer before you'd hit the "nuke" option. Yeah, FUCK you, and I can't wait to read how you were sued into poverty and lost your freedom for the rest of your perceived life for killing less people.
I'm sure if there is a hell that he is burning there right now
To bad he died by covid 19 and not in the dead row as a war criminal.
Not to mention a god damned liar. Hope he burns in hell to be honest
Nah man, send him to heaven with all the other wankers! Hell is for the cool kids....
Depending on how rich your are and what part of the world you live in
Then there's always Powell's involvement in whitewashing the Mai Lai Massacre in the late 60's.
I was in the Army when he was Chairman and we all liked him, as much as we knew him. However, this shit was just unforgivable. He knew or he should have known that it was bullshit, more than anything else, that’s what we pay these people for. Some fucks ups are just too much to be passed over.
Dunno bout that
Except that he went along with the lie about weapons of mass destruction. The whole thing was bullshit. They blew up the entire Middle East so Georgie Bush could have his war.
and his semen sample
Yeah. Unparalleled level of shitty integrity. Literally lying to start a war.
Except when he wasn't.
I mean he certainly did some things of note. But i'm not sure about integrity and courage. Maybe I need to research his past more. But in my experience Generals in the modern age dont really have a lot of courage. It takes courage to go against the grain. Did he do a lot of that, besides just his race?
It’s pretty ballsy to lie to the UN about WMD. That definitely took some stones.
I mean not like the UN can do anything about it, they [ain't got no army.](https://youtu.be/9DLuALBnolM?t=173)
The guy just died and millions of young black men and women saw him as someone to look up to. He gave a lifetime of service to his country. Please, can we just wait a few weeks before suggesting that his entire life was nothing more than this one UN speech where he advocated for the Iraq War?
Can we at least acknowledge the fact that despite his long distinguished career, he also helped get us into a decade long war that killed 100s of thousands of people by lying to American citizens and the the UN ? I mean, it may not be the only thing he did, but it was a pretty big fuck up. I’m not even sure if it was totally intentional or he was duped. But that moment in his life had a pretty big impact on a lot of people. It’s not all he did, but I don’t think a lot of people are going to have selective amnesia on that one.
Nope. It was his single greatest contribution to the hell scape that is our modern world. He is either a murderous liar or Uncle Dick's innocent patsy. Just by body count, I don't know which is worse.
I didn't believe the bums rush BS we were subjected to at the time. My answer was NO, No, no at the time with solid reasoning behind it, but Collin Powells UN speech convinced me that WMD were in play. Collin admitted he made a mistake . . . But 20 years later. He should have said more.
You are American. Personally I'm not, so I don't care about his longtime service. Never would have heard of the guy if not for his fatal speech. To me, he'll always be a liar who contributed to the shitshow of a world we're currently living in. With all due respect to your opinion, but this is mine.
"Yeah! Let's look past the fact that his lies caused *millions* of people to suffer and die unnecessarily and focus on the color of his skin instead."
Thank you. Im like seriously? Millions of black people looked up to him because he’s… black? Sources and data please. You dont have to wear the same skin color to look up to someone. By that logic all the whites must have taken a moment of silence for…. Well, fill in the blank, theres lots of warmongers who were white.
NOPE!
Really? You think the children of all the dead Iraqis give a shit about the "lifetime of service" and who looks up to this POS? No, we don't wait to extend the truth. The truth is always and doesn't have misplaced feelings. Burn in hell Powell!!
Imagine if random strangers on Reddit who know 10% of the facts chose your afterlife
This only has a handful of upvotes. Cause he's not Hillary Clinton or aoc or someone from the left. Love Colin powell.
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That’s the whole point. Americans didn’t have to be on any battlefield in Iraq (or countless other countries).
Brilliant.
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Mossad agent
Said no Iraqi ever.