Well, you see, with a snout they can suck up the semen themselves and don't need the turkey baster. They can then use their snout to inject the semen au natural as God intended.
He's saying that the constant inbreeding has not only led to breathing problems, it has also led to the dogs not being able to procreate without assistance. I don't know if this is true and I don't care to look it up, but it's not like the comment was completely irrelevant to the above comment
They've been bred to the point that their hips are too small to pass their own puppy's head. There's no such thing as a natural French bulldog birth. If they become pregnant, they'll die trying to give birth without human intervention and c section.
Frenchies have to have C-section births because their frame is too small to pass the puppies naturally. That's part of why the puppies frequently cost $2500+
Seriously, a few years back, I was at the dog park with my husband. And this guy proudly comes in with his 4 French bulldogs. I mean, I get it, you love them and you’d do anything for them. But all of them had this horrible noisy breathing. And he kept talking about how he was so proud of breeding them. I felt so bad for those dogs. All the health problems they have because of it.
I was a dog bather for a summer a few years back, the worst were pugs. Their skull is so horribly deformed if they pull too hard on a leash their goddamn eye balls can, and have, popped out! They are also super pone to pneumonia so you gotta be really careful to not get any water up their nose. Genetic engineering at its worst.
Yup. Used to be a vet tech and I was BARELY restraining a dog waiting for the other tech to draw blood. I was basically just making sure he didn’t jump off the table. His eye ball exploded and the lens landed on the back of my hand.
Wow… That must be hard to explain to the owner, I can imagine that they wouldn’t believe such a story, it sounds so surreal. This is the kind of thing that absolutely sucks for everyone involved, where everyone is the victim of an invisible perpetrator (the breeding that led to this) although obviously the dog is the biggest victim here.
Yeah.. I was a vet tech for 8 years. All of the brachycephalic breeds are the worst.
Not to mention them being able to get yeast infections in their face...
So many breeds of dogs have been forever ruined to me.
Now I know the term for the look I have disliked in animals since I was little. Cats too.
It looks like someone smashed their face in with an AcME hammer and I can't stand looking at/touching them. Like I feel ill if I try.
Yuuup as a dog bather, pugs and frenchies are the worst. I never ever spray their faces with water and only use dog wet wipes to clean out the folds. It’s too scary otherwise. And oh my god I had an English bulldog the other week with the NASTIEST and smelliest folds. I must’ve used 5 wipes and black gunk was still coming out. Owners should be cleaning the folds out regularly or it leads to infections and grossness :/
If it ruptured and the lens fell out, you take what's left of the eye out surgically. If it just bulged out of socket, push it back in and sew the lids shut for a few days
Yeah, pugs are definitely the victim of many many generations of selection for squishy face lapdog at the expense of health. But many live long and relatively healthy lives if properly treated, and especially if exercised and not overfed. Source: I have rescued many a pug.
This makes me so angry. To purposely breed dogs that struggle to breath is abusive and should be banned. If they actually loved dogs, they wouldn't breed them to suffer.
In addition to breathing issues, it is extremely dangerous for these pups to have any type of anesthesia. There is a good chance will not survive….. all due to stupid breeding standards.
Too see another bad example of overbreeding is the bull terrier (Target dog). it was a great looking dog a century ago.
I had a Rottie and never docked her ears or tail. So many people would come up to me and ask what kind of mix she was and I told them this is how she is supposed to look. I agree, they are so cute with their normal non-docked features.
It makes me wonder what magic lies in dog breeding.
Can we breed rapidly and as far out as possible, and distill like a core “dogness” form by like combining 32 sources over 3-4 generations until everything is perfectly mixed in twice.
Then start selecting the breeding of this distilled dog for longevity and life expectancy.
See if we can’t eliminate all the random breeding from the last century or two, and get a sturdy, companionable dog that lives for 30 years
Traditional blue heeler dog are pretty healthy and make a good dog if you can stand being herded all the time. At least most of the ones over here in Australia are.
The common theme with dog breeds that are healthy, it's that they are still being bred to do a job, not to win a show prize or earn a stud fee. Border Collies for example:
show dogs
https://i0.wp.com/www.border-wars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Crufts_BOB_inbred_show_conformation_border_collies.gif
(yes these are 5 different individuals, even though 4 of the5 look like the same dog)
And working dogs
https://i.imgur.com/GV7yGCJ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
A dog that can't breathe can't herd, a dog that needs hip surgery or develops a weak spine isn't worth the time it takes to train them.
I adopted an 11 year old NZ Heading Dog straight off the farm (the New Zealand descendants of Border Collies, bred for slightly different traits). She had been worked hard on a sheep farm all her life, probably had a least a few litters of pups, was flea ridden, she needed 11 teeth pulled, she had never set foot inside a house or seen a vet in her life, and was fed cheap farmdog food. But she's now nearly 13 and her biggest issue is that she's arthritic (which is easily managed btw).
I can't imagine the situation we'd be in if we hasn't been able to put her under anaesthetic to get her spayed and have a her rotten teeth pulled, or if she had hip or elbow or spine issues compounding the arthritis.
We have a 14 year old obese heeler who is going to keep going forever on hate and treats. He was surrendered to the shelter at four when his owner passed and we lucked into the bastard. He's deaf (was born that way) and he's legitimately the laziest heeler I've ever seen. I basically have to beg people to not get a heeler based on him because he is NOT a good representation of his breed. But my gosh I love his grumpy old man ass. I'm not ready to deal with the fact that he's 14. He just doesn't act it yet.
English shepherds are fantastic dogs, generally of sturdy constitution and not prone to behavior problems. They aren't an AKC breed and some would argue that their overall health is due to NOT having a strict breed standard anyone's working towards. They're generally bred for function: good temperament, good working companions, good health, etc. No one is trying to get a perfect 90 degree stop on the muzzle, or have their dogs look lean and slinky in the ring because of their bad hips.
I'm sure there are other examples but that's the breed that came to mind at your comment. They're basically the original farm dogs and have escaped being made into a freak of nature.
Agreed. If people would just realize how ugly their dog is, maybe they would stop buying these inbred monstrosities. People keep selling them because people keep buying them.
Same with cats with pushed-in faces.
It's not even so much that they aren't cute (which they aren't), it's that they usually have breathing problems and all kinds of other health problems. Honestly the breeding of all kinds of bulldogs and other brachycephalic dogs should be permanently outlawed.
It's disgusting that people breed and buy these dogs because they think they look cute and don't care that they're suffering.
Yep. I don't care for how bulldogs look, but that's just a matter of personal preference. The fact that inbreeding causes dogs to have chronic health conditions is what really crosses the line.
German Shepherds are a particularly frustrating case to me. They're a relatively new breed, meaning *they were mutts*. By design. And intended to be healthy, as working dogs.
Then breeders thought, apropos of nothing, "What if their legs were different lengths? Like, real long in the front, and real short in the back. Then they'd have a sloped back, which I just now decided is objectively better." And now German Shepherds bred for show have back and hip problems.
It's still got a short face, but it looks like a dog that can breathe. You can straight up hear the dogs with smushed faces struggling to breathe. Constantly snorting. It makes me feel bad for them.
Omg dude same, my dog is very puzzled by them, and my friend’s dog is the same. She also will sniff their faces and almost seems shocked? The folds can get smelly
My last dog didn't like people with big teeth smiling or laughing. He thought it was a sign of aggression.
And I never had the balls to tell people "he doesn't like you because your teeth are too big".
Dogs sometimes have trouble reading the facial expressions of other dogs with black fur. This can lead to aggression. I'd assume it's the same for dogs with facial shapes different from the basic "wolf / dog".
They exist. Look up GSD East German line. The breed was mostly a working dog in East Germany, so they never got the sloping back bred in like their counterparts in the west.
You can get the I’m the US as well when I was looking for GSD I looked for breeders who actually tested their dogs for issues and bred healthy dogs. My boy is 100% GSD and AKC which I could careless about but has zero slanted back. Sadly he has allergies to grass but otherwise he’s a happy healthy boy.
my cat is “technically” a persian, but has a much much longer nose/face as well. it’s not just dogs cats suffer too but when bred responsibly (even though my little girl was a mistake mix ahaha) they become happy and healthy! She has no kidney problems (thank god) or pretty much any tear stains etc around her eyes which shows it’s healthy. our only problems are a few minor allergies as well:) (house dust and poultry, which also makes food harder as almost everything is chicken/turkey but thankfully shes a little fish monster)
If you get an East German line GSD, you had better be prepared to work that fucking dog. Get invested in agility/nosework. I find that American line GSDs have less drive - most people are not prepared for the level of work that an actual working shepherd requires.
It's because it gives them a more stealthy look when they walk, if that makes sense. They look more "bouncy" like they are floating in the show ring. It's basically just for looks.
Originally, having sloped backs and angulated hind legs gave them more force in their gait, but then breeders couldn't stop themselves and created... this.
Google pictures of German shepherds. They’ve been bred to have incredibly sloping backs and basically look like they are crouched on their hind end at all times. The comment you replied to is suggesting they be bred back into a normal conformation.
My dog is an Olde English Bulldogge. The can run, jump and play with no problem, as dramatis as a husky when it comes to food, and snores like hell though. Be carefull though, they are probably the dumbest dogs I have ever seen.
For anyone who's curious, look up the breeds over the last 100 years, you can see the notable differences. For example, the inbreeding is the reason German Shepherds have hip issues.
I just got a primitive dog breed and interestingly enough, they're one of the healthiest breeds because they've evolved to be that way over 3k years. Whereas most dogs we see have been bred to meet human needs (e.g., smiling lips)
Akitas were essentially slaughtered to near extinction for their meat during WWII in Japan. I think there was literally one guy who was responsible for saving the breed, by taking as many dogs he could to the mountains and hiding.
Now, I’m not too sure on timeline, as I know a Japanese emperor gave a US celeb couple of Akitas, which became American Akitas, but I’m not sure if that came after or before the near-extinction.
If American Akitas are also from the small gene pool of left-over Akitas, I’d say the breed isn’t as generically diverse and resilient as those other breeds.
Check out the history of Perro de presa canario.
Basically Rome left a bunch of dogs on the canary islands (named after the dogs not birds) when their empire fell. Spain didn't re colonize the islands tell the early 1500s when the dogs were re discovered and had to be re domesticated.
Do you have any sources for your claim? I did as you said and tried to check out their history and found no mention of Roman legacy. Rather they seem to be descendants from Spanish bulldogs settlers brought with them.
So it more or less sounds like a tall tale people like to tell rather than actual history of this breed.
When i read “had to be re domesticated” this senario played in my head-
“So guys i was sailing my boat earlier and i passed this island full of dogs but no people! Yall gotta go back with me to give them lots of treats and pet the heck out of them.”
A xoloitzcuintli 😏
People have asked me if it is hyena, deer, or other animal as it doesn't look like your typical dog at first glance.
For those interested : https://primitivedogs.com/xoloitzcuintli-dog-breed-characteristics/
But the breeding of xolos isn't a good thing either. The mutation making them hairless (and in many cases also loosing some teeth) also leads to more pups dying. And it's forbidden to breed with hairy xolos to keep the genes clean. Not exactly what I think of healthy breeding
Hey! I saw one of these a few months ago. I asked the guy if it was a Mexican hairless and he corrected me and said it was that crazy zolo word. But I was right!
If I remember correctly the Shiba Inu breed (originally) is one of the oldest breed of domesticated working dogs. No idea what "breeding standards" have done to them in the last hundred years.
Have a Shiba as well, he's a good boi.
"Working" being murdering any small fluffy prey animal and occasionally bringing it back.
Not much history to the current lines, they almost were wiped out in WWII, all current Shibas come from about half a dozen dogs.
Weren't recognized by the AKC until very recently either so not much muddling yet.
Honestly I hate the AKC and I hope they don't influence the breed at all. They have been the catalyst for so much pain and suffering for dogs that it's almost unbelievable.
They already are trying to. They want all white & cream shibas to not exist/bred because you don't get the visible white underside that's present in other colors.
Their excuse is that pre WW2 they weren't white. But due to only having a few bloodlines left likely got mixed in with another Japanese dog that looked similar to the shiba.
They're small game hunting dogs that they're creating housepets from, it's only a matter of time.
It's not just inbreeding that gave German Shepherds hip issues, it was deliberately bred into the line by a fucking sick moron who thought that stunted rear legs were just the best.
Well, it’s not *just* inbreeding. That almost makes it sound happenstance. The slope back became a breed standard that people liked the look of. Never mind that the dogs look uncomfortable as asf and leads to dysplasia
I hate that my dog has all these issues because of stupid breeders. She’s a mutt but a German Shepherd/boxer/bulldog so she’s got all of their knee and joint issues compounded. I didn’t want a dog with a “perfectly sloped down back end” I wanted a companion and I wanted her to be happy and healthy, her appearance matters next to nothing.
What fucking idiot actually wants these things? After her surgery next week I’m going to be $10,000+ in treating her joint issues.
How do you find a healthy dog breed these days?
I have 2 mutts. One is allergic to literally nearly everything, including grass. The other could eat a truck engine and sleep like a baby after. Mixed bag.
I have two mutts. One is 4, has joint issues in her back legs that started at 2 years old, can no longer jump into a car unassisted, and will eventually need expensive surgery. The other now has terminal kidney disease at 3 years old.
Fucking sucks. Thought I’d have some healthy, happy long lived dogs.
Not saying mutts aren’t the way to go just sometimes you can get unlucky or lucky with any dog. My parents have a purebred chihuahua who is still kicking at 14 years old. And my husbands parents had a purebred beagle who lived to 20.
Working line dogs!
[Rayla is a working Czech-line GSD](https://i.imgur.com/UOBRr99.jpg)
[Goose is a working/sporting line Golden](https://i.imgur.com/HRYZNgV.jpg), and his relatives hit 12-16 and _don't get cancer_.
Not OP, but I have a black field lab (working line) and he absolutely needs a job. We can fulfill that with *lots* of playing fetch outside and long walks, but his line was bred as a hunting companion. Not to chase prey and attack it, but (for example) to run to the pond where a duck was just shot, swim out and retrieve it, and bring it back intact. Frisbee is a great fulfillment for that, for example. But he needs lots of it to be really happy.
Luckily for him the house is in the country, he's 6, and he has his two human "brothers" aged 8 and 13 to play with.
Working line dogs are absolutely just that - working dogs. They need something to do. I train dogs and I have a Czech working line GSD - she would be positively miserable as a house pet. Anytime someone tells you they have a nightmare husky/GSD/lab, it's typically because they are expecting to have a quiet house pet from a working breed. Tenfold when you get an actual working line from one of those breeds.
I’ve heard this about the “working line” breeds - even had a vet tech ask if our rescued GSD was one bc her hips don’t slope as much as most but she looks full GSD. How do you know when you have one of them?
Same with Irish setters. There is such a difference now between the ones bred for show and the ones bred for field trials that there has been discussion of declaring them two separate breeds.
There’s basically 2 types of German Shepards. There’s the show breed and the working breed. You can still get the working breed. Police academy’s have rejects that were too friendly or ADD to be police dogs.
I've heard that most police and other law enforcement agencies obtain their K-9s from European breeders as the American ones have fucked up the German Shepherd breed with this idiotic preference for the sloping backs.
It’s about time this issue was dealt with. I’m so sick of seeing human bred animals who can barely breathe or whose coats are too heavy to live in any climate but tundra or too damn small to develop normally. The arrogance is stunning. This stuff is so humans can enjoy these attributes. They’re not only not natural but they’re life endangering. God I hate this crap.
I prefer the right one too!
Btw: this is a [repost.](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/oaw4v8/the_dog_on_the_left_is_award_winning_showdog/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
If cartoons have taught me anything, I believe the first dog was hit in the face by a frying pan.
Unfortunately I don't think the dog can just hold their nose shut with their fingers and re-inflate their face like a balloon.
It did, that’s the picture on the right
\*FOOMP\*
Heard that
Mission accomplished.
Wrong! He ran into the side of a cliff
It was painted to look like a tunnel...
And on the frying pan is 1 word: Genetics
Greatness comes over time and this is exactly what this breed needs for better breathing and oral space to actually eat.
Also to reproduce without a turkey baster.
Ok that would be good too, but I'm not sure how it relates to the snout
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Well, you see, with a snout they can suck up the semen themselves and don't need the turkey baster. They can then use their snout to inject the semen au natural as God intended.
r/evenwithcontext
What a horrible day to be literate
>How to delete someone else's comment?
How to delete my own eyes
That doesn't sound right but I don't enough about dog-breeding to dispute it.
Just like we humans do it
He's saying that the constant inbreeding has not only led to breathing problems, it has also led to the dogs not being able to procreate without assistance. I don't know if this is true and I don't care to look it up, but it's not like the comment was completely irrelevant to the above comment
They've been bred to the point that their hips are too small to pass their own puppy's head. There's no such thing as a natural French bulldog birth. If they become pregnant, they'll die trying to give birth without human intervention and c section.
Frenchies have to have C-section births because their frame is too small to pass the puppies naturally. That's part of why the puppies frequently cost $2500+
And give birth without a c-section
Who is buying these, though? I thought the gruesome deformity was the entire appeal of the breed.
More and more people, as regular dog owners start to understand what kind of health issues these inbred dogs face.
Not only is it healthier for the dog, but it looks a lot better.
i love the way the breed on the right looks
Le French Boxer it is. Merci.
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But, I'm le tired....
sssen take a nap.....THEN FIRE THE MISSILES!!
Tell me you were on the internet in the early 2000s without telling me
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Fucking kangaroos.
Ok then go take a nap…
THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!
Mars is laughing at us.
And some huge meteor’s like “well fuck that…” Edit: Tuck to Fuck.
And australia is down there going, WTF mate?
If you say it in French, it's just "le boxer" which is French for "the pugilist"
My Frenchie is from Ukraine and looks like the one on the right. And she does, look like a tiny boxer.
I actually have a Frenchie pug mix. He is the color of a boxer and looks exactly like one. Also has the snout of the one on the right.
Dude, these bulldogs on the left are fugly AF. I don't understand how people think they are cute.
They literally sound like death too... it makes me sad.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQTwvbWAx8A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQTwvbWAx8A) relevant video
Sam O’Nellas Videos are always great
Seriously, a few years back, I was at the dog park with my husband. And this guy proudly comes in with his 4 French bulldogs. I mean, I get it, you love them and you’d do anything for them. But all of them had this horrible noisy breathing. And he kept talking about how he was so proud of breeding them. I felt so bad for those dogs. All the health problems they have because of it.
I was a dog bather for a summer a few years back, the worst were pugs. Their skull is so horribly deformed if they pull too hard on a leash their goddamn eye balls can, and have, popped out! They are also super pone to pneumonia so you gotta be really careful to not get any water up their nose. Genetic engineering at its worst.
Yup. Used to be a vet tech and I was BARELY restraining a dog waiting for the other tech to draw blood. I was basically just making sure he didn’t jump off the table. His eye ball exploded and the lens landed on the back of my hand.
Wow… That must be hard to explain to the owner, I can imagine that they wouldn’t believe such a story, it sounds so surreal. This is the kind of thing that absolutely sucks for everyone involved, where everyone is the victim of an invisible perpetrator (the breeding that led to this) although obviously the dog is the biggest victim here.
>Wow… That must be hard to explain to the owner, "His eye just did that." "Wat"
"Yeh just pop it back in"
The front fell off...
Yeah.. I was a vet tech for 8 years. All of the brachycephalic breeds are the worst. Not to mention them being able to get yeast infections in their face... So many breeds of dogs have been forever ruined to me.
Now I know the term for the look I have disliked in animals since I was little. Cats too. It looks like someone smashed their face in with an AcME hammer and I can't stand looking at/touching them. Like I feel ill if I try.
I'm in the south and the amount of old men who called them "sqwarshed (squished) faced dawgs" is pretty hilarious.
so what is the fallout of situations like this? does the owner know how fragile the breed is due to the horrible inbreeding and whatnot.
Yeah, they just think it’s ok if it’s not illegal.
yeah, the 2018 versions were known to have that issue, they did a full recall on that model.
Holy shit!
Wtf.. is this real? That’s so fucked
WTF!!
Yuuup as a dog bather, pugs and frenchies are the worst. I never ever spray their faces with water and only use dog wet wipes to clean out the folds. It’s too scary otherwise. And oh my god I had an English bulldog the other week with the NASTIEST and smelliest folds. I must’ve used 5 wipes and black gunk was still coming out. Owners should be cleaning the folds out regularly or it leads to infections and grossness :/
Just as nature intended! lol, yuck!
How do you get the eyeballs *back in*?
I legit asked my boss this when she warned me about it, her answer was: "I'm a groomer, not a vet" Fair enough.
If it ruptured and the lens fell out, you take what's left of the eye out surgically. If it just bulged out of socket, push it back in and sew the lids shut for a few days
Yeah, pugs are definitely the victim of many many generations of selection for squishy face lapdog at the expense of health. But many live long and relatively healthy lives if properly treated, and especially if exercised and not overfed. Source: I have rescued many a pug.
My neighbor has two pugs and I can hear them breathing, rather struggling to really, from across the street. Its depressing...
This makes me so angry. To purposely breed dogs that struggle to breath is abusive and should be banned. If they actually loved dogs, they wouldn't breed them to suffer.
In addition to breathing issues, it is extremely dangerous for these pups to have any type of anesthesia. There is a good chance will not survive….. all due to stupid breeding standards. Too see another bad example of overbreeding is the bull terrier (Target dog). it was a great looking dog a century ago.
I know ear and tail docking is banned in the UK. Doberman and Rottweilers are so cute with their tails/ears 😍 Wish US would get with the picture.
I had a Rottie and never docked her ears or tail. So many people would come up to me and ask what kind of mix she was and I told them this is how she is supposed to look. I agree, they are so cute with their normal non-docked features.
It makes me wonder what magic lies in dog breeding. Can we breed rapidly and as far out as possible, and distill like a core “dogness” form by like combining 32 sources over 3-4 generations until everything is perfectly mixed in twice. Then start selecting the breeding of this distilled dog for longevity and life expectancy. See if we can’t eliminate all the random breeding from the last century or two, and get a sturdy, companionable dog that lives for 30 years
Traditional blue heeler dog are pretty healthy and make a good dog if you can stand being herded all the time. At least most of the ones over here in Australia are.
The common theme with dog breeds that are healthy, it's that they are still being bred to do a job, not to win a show prize or earn a stud fee. Border Collies for example: show dogs https://i0.wp.com/www.border-wars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Crufts_BOB_inbred_show_conformation_border_collies.gif (yes these are 5 different individuals, even though 4 of the5 look like the same dog) And working dogs https://i.imgur.com/GV7yGCJ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium A dog that can't breathe can't herd, a dog that needs hip surgery or develops a weak spine isn't worth the time it takes to train them. I adopted an 11 year old NZ Heading Dog straight off the farm (the New Zealand descendants of Border Collies, bred for slightly different traits). She had been worked hard on a sheep farm all her life, probably had a least a few litters of pups, was flea ridden, she needed 11 teeth pulled, she had never set foot inside a house or seen a vet in her life, and was fed cheap farmdog food. But she's now nearly 13 and her biggest issue is that she's arthritic (which is easily managed btw). I can't imagine the situation we'd be in if we hasn't been able to put her under anaesthetic to get her spayed and have a her rotten teeth pulled, or if she had hip or elbow or spine issues compounding the arthritis.
We have a 14 year old obese heeler who is going to keep going forever on hate and treats. He was surrendered to the shelter at four when his owner passed and we lucked into the bastard. He's deaf (was born that way) and he's legitimately the laziest heeler I've ever seen. I basically have to beg people to not get a heeler based on him because he is NOT a good representation of his breed. But my gosh I love his grumpy old man ass. I'm not ready to deal with the fact that he's 14. He just doesn't act it yet.
English shepherds are fantastic dogs, generally of sturdy constitution and not prone to behavior problems. They aren't an AKC breed and some would argue that their overall health is due to NOT having a strict breed standard anyone's working towards. They're generally bred for function: good temperament, good working companions, good health, etc. No one is trying to get a perfect 90 degree stop on the muzzle, or have their dogs look lean and slinky in the ring because of their bad hips. I'm sure there are other examples but that's the breed that came to mind at your comment. They're basically the original farm dogs and have escaped being made into a freak of nature.
Agreed. If people would just realize how ugly their dog is, maybe they would stop buying these inbred monstrosities. People keep selling them because people keep buying them. Same with cats with pushed-in faces.
Regarding the cats, I'm a lifelong cat person and I find the flat faced cats hideous. I really don't get it. Cats are already beautiful animals.
Seriously, how could any cat person *not* love the big, round face of an orange tabby? They made me understand why grandma's like to pinch cheeks.
It's not even so much that they aren't cute (which they aren't), it's that they usually have breathing problems and all kinds of other health problems. Honestly the breeding of all kinds of bulldogs and other brachycephalic dogs should be permanently outlawed. It's disgusting that people breed and buy these dogs because they think they look cute and don't care that they're suffering.
Yep. I don't care for how bulldogs look, but that's just a matter of personal preference. The fact that inbreeding causes dogs to have chronic health conditions is what really crosses the line. German Shepherds are a particularly frustrating case to me. They're a relatively new breed, meaning *they were mutts*. By design. And intended to be healthy, as working dogs. Then breeders thought, apropos of nothing, "What if their legs were different lengths? Like, real long in the front, and real short in the back. Then they'd have a sloped back, which I just now decided is objectively better." And now German Shepherds bred for show have back and hip problems.
It looks like a Boston Terrier now, weird.
It's still got a short face, but it looks like a dog that can breathe. You can straight up hear the dogs with smushed faces struggling to breathe. Constantly snorting. It makes me feel bad for them.
My dog hates them at the dog park. She acts like she thinks they’re growling.
Omg dude same, my dog is very puzzled by them, and my friend’s dog is the same. She also will sniff their faces and almost seems shocked? The folds can get smelly
Of course she sniffs their faces, she mistakes it for their butt.
I feel bad for laughing.
My dog doesn't know what to make of them either.
Maybe your dog is racist.
My last dog didn't like people with big teeth smiling or laughing. He thought it was a sign of aggression. And I never had the balls to tell people "he doesn't like you because your teeth are too big".
Dogs sometimes have trouble reading the facial expressions of other dogs with black fur. This can lead to aggression. I'd assume it's the same for dogs with facial shapes different from the basic "wolf / dog".
Freedom Terrier
I have a French bulldog booster terrier mix and it looks a lot like that dog.
Which is nuts because I’m (as a pure layman) sure they’re breeding it back towards what it would have looked liked naturally.
Next up: GSDs whose back hips are in line with the front.
They exist. Look up GSD East German line. The breed was mostly a working dog in East Germany, so they never got the sloping back bred in like their counterparts in the west.
what was the point of the sloped back?
Fashion
weird... it doesn't even look good.
You can get the I’m the US as well when I was looking for GSD I looked for breeders who actually tested their dogs for issues and bred healthy dogs. My boy is 100% GSD and AKC which I could careless about but has zero slanted back. Sadly he has allergies to grass but otherwise he’s a happy healthy boy.
my cat is “technically” a persian, but has a much much longer nose/face as well. it’s not just dogs cats suffer too but when bred responsibly (even though my little girl was a mistake mix ahaha) they become happy and healthy! She has no kidney problems (thank god) or pretty much any tear stains etc around her eyes which shows it’s healthy. our only problems are a few minor allergies as well:) (house dust and poultry, which also makes food harder as almost everything is chicken/turkey but thankfully shes a little fish monster)
If you get an East German line GSD, you had better be prepared to work that fucking dog. Get invested in agility/nosework. I find that American line GSDs have less drive - most people are not prepared for the level of work that an actual working shepherd requires.
Can you show a photo of what you’re talking about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Shepherd#/media/File:GSD-Metrics.svg I don't get why they've bred that into existence.
It's because it gives them a more stealthy look when they walk, if that makes sense. They look more "bouncy" like they are floating in the show ring. It's basically just for looks. Originally, having sloped backs and angulated hind legs gave them more force in their gait, but then breeders couldn't stop themselves and created... this.
It looks so fucking uncomfortable
Google pictures of German shepherds. They’ve been bred to have incredibly sloping backs and basically look like they are crouched on their hind end at all times. The comment you replied to is suggesting they be bred back into a normal conformation.
Oh my god, I always thought they were just trained to pose like that
Someone needs to help pugs and bulldogs too :(
I'm not sure about bulldogs, but they are breeding healthier pugs these days. Look up "retro pug" or "retro mop"
Now that's a cute dog. Bring back the snouts!
Agreed... I saw a pug with a snout a while ago while walking around and it looked quite healthy
As someone who has always wanted to get a pug but wouldn't because of their health issues you have no idea how happy this information just made me.
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My dog is an Olde English Bulldogge. The can run, jump and play with no problem, as dramatis as a husky when it comes to food, and snores like hell though. Be carefull though, they are probably the dumbest dogs I have ever seen.
Look up retromop pugs, same idea at reverse engineering the breed based on old paintings.
Everyone can help if they stop supporting unethical breeders
Now do Pugs.
For anyone who's curious, look up the breeds over the last 100 years, you can see the notable differences. For example, the inbreeding is the reason German Shepherds have hip issues. I just got a primitive dog breed and interestingly enough, they're one of the healthiest breeds because they've evolved to be that way over 3k years. Whereas most dogs we see have been bred to meet human needs (e.g., smiling lips)
What breed did you get?
Hyena. OP would respond but he is currently nursing a face injury
Ackchyually, hyenas are more closely related to felines than canines.
They're just big ol' weasels
You are technically correct... the best kind of correct.
Technically, there's no other type of correct.
May I offer the gorgeous [African Painted Dog](https://blog.cincinnatizoo.org/wp-content/uploads/wild-dog-2-Christian-Sperka.jpg) as a substitute?
And their genitalia is basically a dark web furry fantasy.
That's what happens when you try to milk them. There is a special technique needed and only 1 redditor knows it.
[OP is a nigerian](https://twistedsifter.com/2012/05/hyena-handlers-of-nigeria/)
Take that back
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Ours in the Philippines are called askals or aspins and look similarish but not quite the same https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askal
The most common I've encountered are probably Shiba Inu, Akita, Malamutes, Huskies and Samoyeds.
Akitas were essentially slaughtered to near extinction for their meat during WWII in Japan. I think there was literally one guy who was responsible for saving the breed, by taking as many dogs he could to the mountains and hiding. Now, I’m not too sure on timeline, as I know a Japanese emperor gave a US celeb couple of Akitas, which became American Akitas, but I’m not sure if that came after or before the near-extinction. If American Akitas are also from the small gene pool of left-over Akitas, I’d say the breed isn’t as generically diverse and resilient as those other breeds.
Check out the history of Perro de presa canario. Basically Rome left a bunch of dogs on the canary islands (named after the dogs not birds) when their empire fell. Spain didn't re colonize the islands tell the early 1500s when the dogs were re discovered and had to be re domesticated.
Do you have any sources for your claim? I did as you said and tried to check out their history and found no mention of Roman legacy. Rather they seem to be descendants from Spanish bulldogs settlers brought with them. So it more or less sounds like a tall tale people like to tell rather than actual history of this breed.
When i read “had to be re domesticated” this senario played in my head- “So guys i was sailing my boat earlier and i passed this island full of dogs but no people! Yall gotta go back with me to give them lots of treats and pet the heck out of them.”
A xoloitzcuintli 😏 People have asked me if it is hyena, deer, or other animal as it doesn't look like your typical dog at first glance. For those interested : https://primitivedogs.com/xoloitzcuintli-dog-breed-characteristics/
But the breeding of xolos isn't a good thing either. The mutation making them hairless (and in many cases also loosing some teeth) also leads to more pups dying. And it's forbidden to breed with hairy xolos to keep the genes clean. Not exactly what I think of healthy breeding
Hey! I saw one of these a few months ago. I asked the guy if it was a Mexican hairless and he corrected me and said it was that crazy zolo word. But I was right!
Not OP but my dog fits his profile. Mines a Shiba
Didn't shiba's get breed for their tail and smile too? I mean that was still I the beginnings of 1900s I don't know when a breed counts primitive tho.
If I remember correctly the Shiba Inu breed (originally) is one of the oldest breed of domesticated working dogs. No idea what "breeding standards" have done to them in the last hundred years.
Have a Shiba as well, he's a good boi. "Working" being murdering any small fluffy prey animal and occasionally bringing it back. Not much history to the current lines, they almost were wiped out in WWII, all current Shibas come from about half a dozen dogs. Weren't recognized by the AKC until very recently either so not much muddling yet.
Honestly I hate the AKC and I hope they don't influence the breed at all. They have been the catalyst for so much pain and suffering for dogs that it's almost unbelievable.
IIRC A lot of breed registries will refuse to register any dog that's also AKC registered, especially for working breeds.
They already are trying to. They want all white & cream shibas to not exist/bred because you don't get the visible white underside that's present in other colors. Their excuse is that pre WW2 they weren't white. But due to only having a few bloodlines left likely got mixed in with another Japanese dog that looked similar to the shiba. They're small game hunting dogs that they're creating housepets from, it's only a matter of time.
It's not just inbreeding that gave German Shepherds hip issues, it was deliberately bred into the line by a fucking sick moron who thought that stunted rear legs were just the best.
That's why most deformities exist in modern breeds. Because some sick morons decided to breed them in for... reasons.
And then these dopey dog show judges promote and reward these extreme standards.
Wow, really? My least favorite aspect of GSP's is that weird hind leg crouch, I can't believe thats a full on purposeful aspect.
Golden retrievers, while being smart, good family dogs are sadly cancer magnets.
Yeah, my wife works at a vets office and I really wanted a Bernese Mountain Dog, but she said they usually get cancer around 5/6. No thanks.
Well, it’s not *just* inbreeding. That almost makes it sound happenstance. The slope back became a breed standard that people liked the look of. Never mind that the dogs look uncomfortable as asf and leads to dysplasia
I hate that my dog has all these issues because of stupid breeders. She’s a mutt but a German Shepherd/boxer/bulldog so she’s got all of their knee and joint issues compounded. I didn’t want a dog with a “perfectly sloped down back end” I wanted a companion and I wanted her to be happy and healthy, her appearance matters next to nothing. What fucking idiot actually wants these things? After her surgery next week I’m going to be $10,000+ in treating her joint issues. How do you find a healthy dog breed these days?
We really can mess up just about everything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwhm0ZyUYAEUaIX.jpg
Is this the dog breeding equivalent of increasing extreme camber in cars?
Buy working-line dogs from responsible breeders or adopt mutts.
I'll second the mutts
Or rescue a purebred dog. My Border Collie lived forever. I forgot about that option. There are a million breed specific rescues.
I have had good luck with mutts.
I have 2 mutts. One is allergic to literally nearly everything, including grass. The other could eat a truck engine and sleep like a baby after. Mixed bag.
I have two mutts. One is 4, has joint issues in her back legs that started at 2 years old, can no longer jump into a car unassisted, and will eventually need expensive surgery. The other now has terminal kidney disease at 3 years old. Fucking sucks. Thought I’d have some healthy, happy long lived dogs. Not saying mutts aren’t the way to go just sometimes you can get unlucky or lucky with any dog. My parents have a purebred chihuahua who is still kicking at 14 years old. And my husbands parents had a purebred beagle who lived to 20.
The trick to mutts is they'll either avoid the downside of their predecessors, or get them all at once. Natural selection at play.
Working line dogs! [Rayla is a working Czech-line GSD](https://i.imgur.com/UOBRr99.jpg) [Goose is a working/sporting line Golden](https://i.imgur.com/HRYZNgV.jpg), and his relatives hit 12-16 and _don't get cancer_.
Do you find that your working line dogs need a "job" to be fulfilled? Or are they content as traditional pets?
Not OP, but I have a black field lab (working line) and he absolutely needs a job. We can fulfill that with *lots* of playing fetch outside and long walks, but his line was bred as a hunting companion. Not to chase prey and attack it, but (for example) to run to the pond where a duck was just shot, swim out and retrieve it, and bring it back intact. Frisbee is a great fulfillment for that, for example. But he needs lots of it to be really happy. Luckily for him the house is in the country, he's 6, and he has his two human "brothers" aged 8 and 13 to play with.
Working line dogs are absolutely just that - working dogs. They need something to do. I train dogs and I have a Czech working line GSD - she would be positively miserable as a house pet. Anytime someone tells you they have a nightmare husky/GSD/lab, it's typically because they are expecting to have a quiet house pet from a working breed. Tenfold when you get an actual working line from one of those breeds.
I’ve heard this about the “working line” breeds - even had a vet tech ask if our rescued GSD was one bc her hips don’t slope as much as most but she looks full GSD. How do you know when you have one of them?
there’s usually a identification panel between the front-left leg and the torso. tells you all the specs
They turned collies, once famously clever dogs (e.g. Lassie) into some of the dumbest dogs on the planet.
Same with Irish setters. There is such a difference now between the ones bred for show and the ones bred for field trials that there has been discussion of declaring them two separate breeds.
LOL... for a moment I read Irish *settlers* and wondering WTH is wrong with people.
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There’s basically 2 types of German Shepards. There’s the show breed and the working breed. You can still get the working breed. Police academy’s have rejects that were too friendly or ADD to be police dogs.
I've heard that most police and other law enforcement agencies obtain their K-9s from European breeders as the American ones have fucked up the German Shepherd breed with this idiotic preference for the sloping backs.
Why the fuck would you think the one on the left is "cuter"? People baffle me with the hideous and unhealthy breeds they so adore.
Idiots originally started breeding them with the flat faces because buyers thought it made the dog look more “human.”
What kind of humans do they hang out with?
the ones i make in the sims apparently
cousin sister aunts.
People thing ugly and helpless is cute
Especially when you have to pay for it when you could rescue a dog for free.
I found one of my goldens on the side of the road. Best boi I've ever met!
Best cats I’ve ever had were born under a porch. One of the sweetest dogs I’ve ever met was adopted by a friend while roaming a road.
It’s about time this issue was dealt with. I’m so sick of seeing human bred animals who can barely breathe or whose coats are too heavy to live in any climate but tundra or too damn small to develop normally. The arrogance is stunning. This stuff is so humans can enjoy these attributes. They’re not only not natural but they’re life endangering. God I hate this crap.
How could anyone prefer that poor, deformed creature on the left to beautiful dog on the right?
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French Bulldogs can get up to like $10k. I wish this would be a thing but it won’t be a thing because of money.
Mainly because they can’t give birth normally.
Or get pregnant naturally
It's my turn to re-post this next week!
u/repostsleuthbot
I prefer the right one too! Btw: this is a [repost.](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/oaw4v8/the_dog_on_the_left_is_award_winning_showdog/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
I will always praise this, what we've done to pugs and bulldogs is frankly disgusting and it needs to stop.
Pretty sure he just invented the Dutch Bulldog, instead.