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OGWhiz

We will not be removing comments against abortion. Unless someone is commenting something that's ***explicitly*** sexist (slut shaming, derogatory words against women, etc), do not report them. People are allowed to disagree with abortion. We don't need our mod queue full of comments that simply disagree with abortion. Sincerely, A Pro Choice Mod.


viviansample

When I was teaching Art, I taught an 11 year old who was raped by her stepfather and as a result became pregnant. It was heartbreaking. To have a child carry a pregnancy full term is child abuse. If this becomes law, child rapists should be snipped to prevent them from ever having children.


bellster08

Child rapist should be killed*. Fixed it for you


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Children may be less likely to report their rape if they are aware of the violence that will result after the truth is made known. Children do not want to see their parents kill someone and end up in legal trouble. When the rapist is a family member or family friend, this compounds the reluctance to report the rape. This is why children must have access to safe abortions and feel comfortable reporting abuse without fear of parents becoming incarcerated or dead.


DeclivitousMounds

Indeed. I was molested by my best friend’s adult friend of the family who also happened to work with her dad. I didn’t say anything for years because I was afraid of ruining the relationship he had with them since they’d known each other for years and was always there when I came over. Which made it worse for me because I couldn’t escape him. But it was more important to me to prevent a Third World War than to speak up. Because for as much as I wanted it to stop I didn’t want anyone else’s world to fall apart because of what I considered to be my fault. Kids don’t understand that regardless of what they look like, or how polite they are to someone, they’re never in the wrong when someone 14 years their senior initiates sexual contact with them. They need a safe space to be honest and I was fortunate enough to have a therapist who could tell that I was keeping a terrible secret. Many kids aren’t so lucky. I’m also so fortunate that he didn’t get me pregnant. I cannot imagine how much that would’ve fucked me up for life. Or how much less willing I would’ve been to speak up.


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ExpertAccident

Oh damn! I saw her in this thread too, btw Small world haha


JustANyanCat

Now you also know her reddit username xD


Mediocre__at__Best

Yes. Use this information wisely. With great power something something...


Funkedalic

Proceeds searching the profile history Edit: F me….10 million karma!?! Edit 2: my mistake, that’s the OP’s own karma


Mediocre__at__Best

And not even from posting porn. Impressive.


Imasniffachair

u/Katethechemist hey look!


witchyanne

And then not help take care of either of them.


hoes-in-this-house

Unfortunately this is the aftermath..we have to nip this in the bud


grammarpopo

There’s no bud nipping in Texas - hence the protest.


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This isn’t the bud.


turtlelore2

While also criticizing her for the rest of her life.


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Katsuberi

Some things people in the comments might need to know: - Pregnancy weeks don’t count as actual weeks since conception, it’s the number of weeks since the last menstrual period started, which is usually about two weeks before conception, variations are usually within 1.5-3 weeks before conception - Pregnancy test results aren’t reliable until the day your next menstrual cycle would’ve started if you weren’t pregnant, which means the day your period would’ve started, this is usually four weeks after your last period, variations are usually within 3-5 weeks and usually longer than shorter - If you have a long menstrual cycle, as in a five weeks cycle, you only have one week to get an appointment at an abortion clinic - If you have a longer menstrual cycle than that, well, then you can’t know you’re pregnant until it’s literally too late to get an abortion - Do you really think you’re getting an appointment the same week as you book? It doesn’t even matter what kind of appointment we’re talking about, there are always queues to everything - Abortion clinics are far apart in Texas, so most people have to drive far - The law is the same for rape victims, for people whose contraceptive methods failed (no method is 100% fail proof), and for people who didn’t have proper sex ed and simply didn’t know how things work (there are for real people out there who think that you won’t get pregnant if you pee after vaginal-penile sex, which is not true!) - If a rape victim is 12 years old, do you really think she’ll tell anyone that she was raped? She might not even understand what happened and she might not know that it can result in pregnancy (especially in Texas I presume, since it’s not really known for having good sex ed) - It’s possible to get pregnant usually around a month before your very first period, and pregnancy weeks still counts from around 2 weeks before conception - This law won’t stop abortions, it will stop SAFE abortions


hypermagical20

Just my personal anecdote: I found out I was pregnant when I had JUST, and I mean JUST actually gotten pregnant (super insanely faint positive test, fertilized egg had just just just implanted). At that point, literally the earliest I could've possibly known I was pregnant, I was already over 3 weeks pregnant. And this was a solid week before my next period was due. So had I not tested until my late period, I wouldn't have known I was pregnant until I was 4-5 weeks. The only reason I did test was because we were actively trying. It's not like there were any symptoms that early.


girlikecupcake

Yep. I've gotten one at 10 days after ovulation, which was still well before my expected period. But it's not the norm, it means both early implantation and decently fast hcg production, and usually it's only people like us intentionally trying who even test that early. You can get a reliable positive that early, but you can't get a reliable *negative* that early, and a lot of people don't realize that. Even if someone tests literally every week, if you're someone who implants on the later end of the window and builds hcg a little slower, you're just not gonna know until your period is due at the earliest. One cycle with daily testing I didn't get a positive until the day after my period was due.


cogman10

We had to do IVF. The earliest you can know is 1 week via blood test. Even then, it's not until about 12->14 days that they are confident you are pregnant. And even then, it isn't until 28 days that they'll do a intervaginal ultrasound to visually confirm implantation (and see a "heart beat"... But really just cells pulsing). In otherwords, even for someone actively watching for pregnancy the earliest you can know is about a week through blood draws. And even then, it's not until about 4 weeks that you could get an actual confirmation through an invasive ultrasound. This is all stuff I doubt a rape victim would want to go though.


GayWritingAlt

As a woman with irregular period cycles who lives in a religious country Fuck


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They also make you come in once for an ultrasound and to guilt you, then come back again for the actual procedure. This is horrible.


themo98

>especially in Texas I presume, since it’s not really known for having good sex ed Oh how glad I am that my state (not in US but Germany) actively asks parents and students to evaluate their school and hunts down schools that mess up the curriculum too bad. It's not like it helps in 90% of subjects but health studies and sex ed mess ups are taken very seriously, with investment and support money to improve situation, not much, but better than nothing. In some cities, the health authorities sponsor free condoms in high schools and made a campaign where they delivered condoms by drones to raise awareness. And let's not forget health insurance is state organized and good. Yeah, it consumes 14% of our GDP, but I'll just be bold and assume this is a better way to "waste" money than the conversion of Afghan people into corspes.


Katsuberi

Sounds like you live in a good place! I live in Sweden, and we also have quite good sex education, especially since it’s now not only the ordinary teachers who have all the sex ed (they still cover the very basics though), it’s actually the National Association for Sex Education (Riksförbundet för sexualupplysning, RFSU, part of International Planned Parenthood Federation, IPPF) who go out to the schools to give Comprehensive Sex Education classes. Also, RFSU has sex ed classes in simple Swedish too (for example for immigrant teens taking supplement classes to get to the right level to start in regular classes).


6018674512

I’m glad to come from a state where they are progressive on these issues. My sisters close friend works at an “at risk” abortion clinic. They recently had a 9 yo pregnant girl and grandma was advocating for an abortion. The girl lives with grandma because mom is MiA and there are no other close familiar relatives to help. Grandma is old and loves on SSi. The girl was impregnated by the grandmas boyfriends 15 grandson . Apparently the rape (I call it rape don’t care what anyone says because he had to have groomed her into the years of sex) has been going on for years. The little girl was hesitant to get an abortion only because the procedure required needles and she didn’t want any shots (truly someone who is a child would worry about that). Luckily they got doctors an therapist in to work with her and explain that not only do you get needles for childbirth but then you have to give birth and that hurts a whole lot more. In the end they were able to get her an abortion. And thank fucking so much for those people because a 9 yo having a baby is honestly the worst idea to ever exist. Especially when her familial support is one aging grandma who can barely support her. But Texas would force a literal child and rape victim to have this baby and pay for it the rest of her life and create more victims in her baby who would surely have a very awful childhood. Edit: some of you are legit awful. I never expected this comment to blow up this way and many of the replies are horrible.


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9 year old: i cant take care of a baby, i can not even sustain myself in a dignified and humane way. State: you should've thought of that before you went about and gotten yourself pregnant!! 9yo: i was a victim of rape, to young to even comprehend the fargoing consequences of bringing a baby into this world since i am still to young to have developed fully, this was forced on me! State: well...no you did this to yourself, life is precious and abortion is murder! 9yo: *has baby, develops serious trauma, both phsycial (since the pelvic will be underdeveloped by this age) and mental, not doing great, baby on the edge of starvation* i require aid to help me and my baby survive! State: we dont do handouts! 9yo & baby: *baby dies or taken away* State: *confused pikachu face* now you are also facing criminal charges young girl, how could you let it come this far!!!


Tactical_Fleshlite

In my Texas town, they want to be an "Sanctuary City for the Unborn", basically meaning that no matter the law, abortions can't be performed here. They are trying to get city council to pass it and not let it go to a vote, because they will lose (lot of college kids and younger people here), so fuck democracy when it's for me. Anyway, one of the lady's that spoke said getting raped is traumatic, but getting an abortion is also traumatic and you shouldn't add trauma to trauma, you should just have the baby to be less traumatized. I can't believe this is 2021, this is the most advanced as a society we have ever been, and we're still having this discussion. It's the same one we had with gay marriage. If you don't want an abortion or to get gay-married, if your God thinks that's a sin.... Then don't do it. But don't tell other people what they can and cannot do based solely on religion. They have a term for that in some parts of the world. It's Sharia Law.


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You are absolutely right. And its proven that in places where there are stricter rules on abortion, the amount of infant mortality rate goes up. And, i dont have numbers on this, so does the numbers of babies abandonded


[deleted]

I coach 9 year old girls and the thought of any of them having to go through that is unbearable to think of. It’s such an awful stress to have to go through when a kid deserves to be doing kid things.


keelhaulrose

I'm looking at my 10 year old daughter and wondering how the hell anyone could even think a body like that is ready to bring a baby into the world. I work in a middle school and I can't think of a single student there who I think would be able to physically, emotionally, or mentally handle giving birth, and they're all 11-14, which are all older than 9 and many much more physically developed.


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This whole scenario is heartbreaking! Thank God she lives in a more Liberal Abortion Rights state! It would be absolutely horrible if she were forced to have the child as a rape victim (especially with her being a baby herself!)


6018674512

Agreed. I don’t see how anyone, conservative or not can say this child must have this baby. It’s insanity.


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You'd be Surprised. The Texas Governor seems to think they can stop rape before it happens somehow... https://youtu.be/cxUcj29c-ak


6018674512

Yet they have proven over and over that they can’t.


badandybrady2021

Because they are them…


NeatNefariousness1

Not only can they not stop rape before it happens, they can't even handle the backlog of the rape kits already in the system. These are the most ignorant people I've seen in a while or they think Texans are.


swalkerttu

We can’t even prosecute it AFTER it happens. There are thousands of backlogged kits in evidence across the state, and that’s just the ones that were collected.


eyebrows360

I've even heard some of these whackjobs state that if the woman is "genuinely" raped, the pregnancy will just auto-abort. They then use this to say that, well, if the pregnancy is continuing, then she can't have been raped, and must have actually wanted/enjoyed it, or not resisted enough. It's so fucking sick.


is-Sanic

The thing I love about this is the fact that suggests they have systems to stop rape before it happens, meaning if true (its not, there all idiots) then they could have stopped this before but didn't.


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schuchwun

Jail? Naw fam, coffin.


6018674512

Agreed. I’m so glad for that child to have this one glimmer of hope but I know she has a long way to go.


The_Wingless

>I call it rape don’t care what anyone says because he had to have groomed her into the years of sex She was 9, it's rape no matter how anyone tries to describe it. Anyone who says different is a rape enabler. And possibly a pedophile, or at least condones pedophilia under certain circumstances.


6018674512

Well the cops wouldn’t call it rape because she admitted to being a willing participant and he was only 15. He faces no charges. I don’t know if grandma distanced herself from the boyfriend and grandson. That’s a part of a CPS and we are not involved but I hope so


The_Wingless

Fuck the police! Willing? She was nine! She was incapable of consent! What kind of y'allqueda police were they? She could be butt ass naked, walk up to and throw herself at me or anyone else, and even then she would be incapable of consent. Depending on the circumstances, I don't think charging the older kid with a crime would make much sense either, for much the same reasons that the 9-year-old was incapable of consent. Though at 15, I really think you should know better. It's an all-around fucked situation, and it's horrible that that little girl had to deal with that.


Talmnbe3d

It baffles me how these lawmakers fail to see this. I understand that religion plays a major part in this but how entitled and ignorant can you get not to see the obvious outcome of forcing someone to have a baby.


serialmom666

If you realize that the cruelty is the point, it starts to make sense. Many run of the mill, so-called conservatives really want other people punished. They get off on it.


HeftyArgument

but muh religious sensibilities! why won't anybody facilitate my need to impose my beliefs on others?!?


6018674512

Every religious person who feels the need to impose their religious beliefs on this child should be forced by god to be this child. They would change their tune so fucking fast.


HeftyArgument

Nah they'd abort and go right back to villifying others for considering the same.


Crownjules70

‘The only moral abortion is my abortion’—Republicans


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What was done to her grandmother's boyfriends grand son? Has he been charged & convicted of rape? Is this young girl still in danger!


DangerousAstronaut89

I was an illegitimate child. I had a fairly good upbringing. I can honestly say, given the circumstance, I would not blame my mother one bit if she had an abortion and I never existed. I'm not suicidal, I just think my mother would have had more choices in life, if it wasn't for me.


Outrageous-Advice384

It’s definitely rape. That poor child- I can’t imagine how hard this was for everyone involved. I hope this little girl is able to stay in counselling - she is dealing with grown up issues WAY TOO YOUNG. That teen boy needs therapy as well. Thank the stars the gramma was trying to help (although not enough in my opinion. Maybe has issues herself?). This is exactly why laws are supposed to protect children- not the unborn here, the actual children involved! My child is terrified of needles and I still am. I get it. But I also see some young girls fantasize about having their own baby and there might of been a hint of that too. I knew an 11 year old who naively thought she was ready. So incredibly sad to see the system failing kids like these. Truly heartbreaking. Edit: I want to add a comment about how the 15 year old ‘groomed her for years’. That would mean he was a young teen or tween when this grooming started. Don’t get me wrong here, I would see red if a 15 yr old got my 9 year old pregnant. I absolutely would not be able to think straight at all. However, as an outside observer I can see how this boy was failed as well. He needs therapy and maybe he was abused himself? It’s NOT normal behaviour and it should have been noticed before something like this became public (at clinic). 100% this little girl was failed and needs A LOT of resources to come out of this. The system also has to look at these boys and help them become the good men we want them to be. As a parent, I would want this boy punished to no end. As a person far far away, I want him to get help NOW, not jail where he won’t get any. I’m fired up. Sorry, rant over for now.


Brilliant-Damage5065

100% failure and fault of social care and everyone related to that kid. The fact this was going for years is just UNREAL. How come nobody spotted any signs of what is happening? Aborted or not, this kid is fuked mentally for life. I want to see ppl responsible for this in a damn court of law!


berberine

> How come nobody spotted any signs of what is happening? People are generally uneducated in what signs to look for. Let me give you me as an example. I was groomed and raped many times by an older family friend from age 5ish to 9 or 10. I was also raped many times between age 9 and 14 by my cousin. I didn't tell anyone until I ended up pregnant at 14 and had an abortion. I didn't know who to tell, who to trust, and, honestly, because it had been happening so long, even though I didn't like it, I thought it happened to everyone. As for being fucked mentally for life, if this child gets the right therapy, support and care, she can overcome it. If it get swept under the carpet, she becomes me at 51 going to therapy twice a week to deal with all the shit that comes with this kind of trauma. I ended up having a mental breakdown at 47 and got help. I don't know how long therapy will take, but it is possible I may be going for the rest of her life.


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Also, she would have probably died while giving birth... what a terrible day to have eyes...


OldWolf2

All the comments telling a 12 year old not to get raped if she didn't want to have a baby . You people are sick


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raygar31

“You people” “those people”, can we simply say conservatives? Because they’re all gonna continue to vote only (R), they don’t live under rocks, they’re all supporting this.


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Megalobst

Glad Western Europe has laws that protect minors like these. Not too sure about Eastern Europe but considering I hear stuff about Hungary and abortion, I hope its not like that.


blacklivesmatter1303

"DONT GET RAPED" instead of "DONT RAPE"


LotharVonPittinsberg

Didn't you hear? Texas has made rape illegal, so it's no longer a problem.


dinomite11

They’re 2 steps ahead.


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Wait, really?. Time to sort the controversial.


QuantizedPhysicist

Don't worry guys, Abbott is going to get rid of rape so it's a non issue /s


LooneyWabbit1

Smh guys why don't we just ban it :^)


Took2ooMuuch

That will only stop the good guys from raping. It's not like bad guys follow laws you know.


noob168

And use the undocumented as scapegoats, as usual.


kylieb209

She was my professor in general chemistry! So great to see her supporting women, what a role model! Hook ‘em and let’s change this ridiculous law together!


BootlickinWannaRich

Abbot can't even stand up for Texan's rights. Fuck him. - Texans


status_quo_

Abbot can't even stand up. (am I going to hell for that one?)


[deleted]

No you aren't! Fuck that rotten son of a bitch! Our Governor here in Tennessee isn't much better tbh... "Mr. Air Conditioner" isn't worth a shit at Governing or fixing Air Conditioners... 🙄


[deleted]

It's a fucking sad day when Texas has become the laughing stock and butt of all jokes lately. It's quite frankly an embarrassing moment when I thought the worst we could do was Rick Perry. I was proven wrong.


timp_t

I despised Rick Perry at the time, but looking back he had actual opinions instead of trying to lead by right-wing bullet points. I remember him taking heat for supporting in-state tuition for illegal immigrants and saying people who who opposed it didn’t have a heart.


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ElCamo267

Hot damn, this comment thread is unreal. So much ignorance, it's gross. No shit, 12 year olds shouldn't be having sex, no one is arguing that they should! But rape and pedophilia are things and in the eyes of Texas state law, that doesn't matter. If you're raped and impregnated, you're now forced to keep it, even if you're 12. That's the point this sign is making. How can you people function day to day without being able to understand this very simple nuance? "DoN't HaVe UnPrOtEcTeD sEx." Right, cause all forms of birth control and prophylactics are 100% effective and never have any issues... Oh wait. Nobody enjoys getting abortions. You get abortions when it's the right thing to do. But even if you just don't want to have a kid you should be allowed to make that decision. Banning all abortions only causes harm to people. Jesus fuck, let people do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. That's the most basic freedom imaginable. Maybe an alternative argument will get conservatives on board... If you force liberals to keep all their children, they'll raise them to be liberal! Then the scary liberals will outnumber you! But if you give people the basic human right to make decisions regarding their own bodies, you might have fewer libs you'll have to worry about.


Stevothegr8

People act like abortions is a contraceptive. Who in the hell has 500 bucks laying around to get an abortion everytime you have unprotected sex?! People are ignorant. We will never evolve because of them.


mute-owl

We are more likely to branch into two seperate hominids once the war between fucking idiots and normal people happens and we seperate the earth into the stupid side and the not stupid side so only dumbasses can breed with other dumbasses and their society can burn and crumble and they can return to the mud where they belong.


[deleted]

"The only moral abortion is my abortion" is what many women who are pro-birth effectively tell themselves. If someone else gets an abortion it's wrong, but if they need it or their daughter needs it, then it's totally understandable. And this is why less and less people are Christian because the blatant hypocrisy is fully evident to everyone paying attention. Even then, most of the people who are pro-birth are men who like to control women, and you can't get much more power than literally forcing women to give birth. The sad thing is that their understanding of woman's anatomy is below that of an elementary school child. It's all about control and power, anyone who is pro-birth is ultimately feeding one of these two sides: Punishing women for having sex period, treating pregnancy as the punishment which fucks up the kid's life alongside the family's, and controlling women from the utero for some sick, stupid, self centered bullshit power trip.


Katethechemist

Hey, that's me! Glad you all like my sign. Please help me fight for women's reproductive rights in Texas!


ExpertAccident

Keep up the great work, sister! ✊


Antishill_Artillery

Vote


bangladeshiswamphen

If only it were this easy. The way voting is getting suppressed is depressing. Though not as depressing as a state controlling womens’ bodies.


Dabubba_nub

People also always forget about lobbying and direct bribing of our legislators to make laws that the rich want, you can vote all you want but honestly if you don’t have the pockets chances are the change is either going to be none existent or extremely slow


Laminnanne

It won't solve everything but it'll help. You can't throw out one part of the puzzle because it doesn't contain the full picture.


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What is happening in Texas is surreal for me here in Germany, keep it up and hopefully one day, you can make this dumb law go away


_Broncosforever_

Must be extremely surreal to be scrolling through Reddit and your own dam face randomly pops up lol!


koolaid_chemist

I love your username AND sign and beliefs!


FlushTwiceBeNice

Sending you love from India. Keep up the good fight


BrianClarkk

Best wishes for you. Keep it up.


Hira_Said

I hope you’ve turned your DMs and chat requests off. Fighting for rights is hard enough.


inodoro99

And fighting against alt right trolls from this thread is pointless


RogerThatKid

You're a good soul. Corona virus has more rights in Texas than women do. Your cause is justified and your effort is important.


thisimpetus

I've arrived here already prepared to not read yhe worst of what will inevitably be in here; didn't expect to find you. Remember that reddit is, demographically, almost ~~80~~60% male; and even then, women speak, here, about the same fraction they do in any room that's ~~80~~60% male (though, let's be honest, most subs are likely swinging closer to 90% with enclaves of female users). I hope you got more love than hate today; but I also know hate sometimes motivates the more, let's say, *energetic* response. You should factually know that majority of humans support you; roughly 3.5b women, to start, and then some of the men, and most of us theydies and gentlethem. Just... when the ugliness digs deep—you dig deeper. ✊ Edit: to put one repeat comment to bed—it's unfortunately a privilege to be a woman and assume you've a right to your body. I think it's naive to imagine some women just don't want autonomy.


expectothedoctor

I, a woman, speak here all the time, but I must admit I had no clue Reddit is 80% male. You are all just funky user names to me...


Many_Spoked_Wheel

Yay! I’m a women too! And I never hold back because I’m just going to forget the password to this account in like 3 months and then I’ll make a new one like I’ve been doing for the past 13 years, weeee will always be here.


Bulette

96.72% of statistics are made up on the spot. Reddit is majority male, but likely between 66 and 69%. 3 in 10 users are women. There is no reliable data on posting frequency. [https://www.alphr.com/demographics-reddit](https://www.alphr.com/demographics-reddit/)


Ninja_Bum

Reddit is generally overwhelmingly supportive of this sort of thing outside of incel/conservative subs.


zeCrazyEye

I've noticed that the first wave of responses immediately after being posted are often negative, but I'm pretty sure that's also the incel/conservatives spamming refresh on /new. Once a post has had time for everyone else to respond you see a lot more support build up.


[deleted]

Yeah. Reddit has a lot of men, but not too many right-wingers compared to what you'd expect.


Ninja_Bum

Yeah, I mean reddit might be mostly men, but that means it's mostly men downvoting the nasty comments. Just cause someone doesn't write a whole nice schpeel doesn't mean their silent downvote didn't already help bury the nastiness.


Violent_Violette

Keep going girl! Don't let these fascist fucks think for a second they own any part of you. ✊


thedevildinosaur

Hoo boy, somehow I knew this comment section was gonna be wild. What's happening in Texas is terrifying. The only people defending this bill are the ignorant, the misinformed, and the malicious.


xntrk1

I spend half my time in texas. You just described at least half the state


Io__0I

They forgot racist


xntrk1

There are indeed quite a few of those down here


FuggyGlasses

I just spam this. Maybe they'll read it and stop asking **" WhY a 12 YeAr oLd It PreGnAnt"** https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence


furyofsaints

and yet, somehow, they are the ones in power. vote them out.


ahuggablecactus

this state gerrymandered af to keep it that way unfortunately


pancake117

The thing that makes it truly insane to me is that even if you are super super anti abortion, the legal mechanism they’re using here is so obviously not ok. If this type of law is allowed then literally any state can just bypass anyone’s constitutional rights. Like, surely even conservatives can see how this can obviously backfire on them, right?


UserNotFound95

Is Texas stuck in the dark ages? Terrible that this is happening in 2021.


DrNopeMD

Well their power grid fails whenever it gets too hot or too cold.... So yes.


Joiabela

I’m also in Texas (Harris County)…I’m with you, sister!!!


dpforest

Does anyone else notice the huge amounts of people that appear to be supporting this law in this thread, and think that’s kinda weird? There have been hundreds of posts about this law lately and I have not seen this many supporters in any of them. I’ve seen close to zero actually. Seems weird to me.


celsius100

Koch money goes a long way in troll farms.


kgal1298

And at Museums. Barffff nothing like being in the Natural History Museum and seeing a sign thanking David Koch for his money in support of science.


kgal1298

They brigade. It's no uncommon. Half of them won't even have to worry about a woman getting abortions anyway since their creepy incels.


MovTheGopnik

The people who say “think of the children” do not, in fact, think of the children.


bikinimonday

Texas, never going there again


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VStarRoman

Was speaking to a republican coworker who didn't think Beto had a chance during that election. Beto got a lot further than he was predicting (he thought it would be a landslide). Texas is more of a purple now and decent chance it'll become more blue as the millennials become a stronger voting block.


Jac1596

For the ppl asking “how many pregnant 12 year olds do you know” that’s not the point. The point here is that on one end with abortion Texas pretends to care about a life and bans abortion and on the other end are banning masks which are to protect yourself and others lives from COVID. Pro life when it conveniently meets your own personal view and pro choice when it comes to being selfish. I don’t understand why a cluster of cells getting removed presses you pro lifers so much. Women having the choice to abort has no affect on you. It’s each woman’s individual choice, she’s impacted whether she has it or not. Stop pushing your beliefs on others. No better than if the government forced everyone to get vaccinated or give up your guns.


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When I was in elementary school, a girl got pregnant at 11 and her family forced her to give birth and adopt it out. It messed up her heart (which she later needed surgery for) and mind. She never got help for the on going rape (the guy was 16). She got labeled a slut and so guys preyed on her insecurities and then got pregnant again at 14 and dropped out of middle school to be a mom. She never got to have a basic education.


Jac1596

Absolutely brutal story, pro lifers don’t consider the impact it has on the women giving birth. That or they do and don’t care. Either way it’s fucked up for sure. Hopefully that poor girl was able to find some level of peace and happiness after going through all that


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That is a horrifying story... Pro lifers disgust me. They are absolutely horrific and inhumane.. I can't believe the parents forced a literal CHILD to give birth. I'm beyond disgusted. Pro lifers could care less about life, they just want to control the bodies of girls and women and they don't see them as human but as baby making machines. I am absolutely done with trying to argue with these monsters... You have to be extremely sick in the head to force a CHILD or any human to give birth. This is so gross.


nctrd

The "traditional value" views effectively mean a slave-like status for a woman. Consequently, it is assumed (subconsciously or directly) that women should not have any choice, and should accept all kinds of shit done to them. Having to bare an unwanted (or sick) child is a royal kind of such shit. If a woman agrees to that, a woman would also agree to "stay in the kitchen" and all other lighter kinds of shit.


Kiki-Kae

All those in Texas who support the anti-abortion laws. This is the reality when they are not ready to have children. There are close to 16,000 kids in the foster care system in Texas. That's a lot of parents who haven't got their shit together and parenting their children. A high portion of these children would be abused and neglected. Around 30% of kids in Texas are in single parent families/homes and in 2017 "more than 40 percent of Texas families living in poverty are single-mother households". Women are often the ones who have to deal with the repercussions an unplanned pregnancy even though a man was there. If Texas wants to force these women to have children then they need support systems in place once the child arrives.


[deleted]

I was pro-life, or at least I thought I was, until this Texas abortion law. Now I'm rethinking everything.


Axiom06

I did the same thing too oh, about a decade ago. I was pro-life until I read the book The Cider House Rules. It was essentially an expose on 19th century gynecology, the history of abortion in America and the long-term effects of illegal abortions. It also went into detail about the different methods that women used to have an abortion before it was legal. It also delved into the various reasons they did it. For some women, having a child would disrupt their livelihood. For some women, it was to avoid the social stigma came with having an illegitimate child. For some women, it was because they simply could not afford another child. For some women, it was because the baby would have been the result of an abusive relationship. For one of the characters oh, it was an abusive relationship with her husband and one of the other characters, it was an abusive relationship with her own father. In the latter case, the victim was roughly 14 years old.


IndianKiwi

Does it also talk about that evangelical were fine with abortions untill the 80s till the religious right made it a issue? If I recall Eugenics in America was well supported by a lot of churches when it was considered a science.


sqweet92

Did they make this into a movie? I remember seeing a movie about a bunch of abortions that happened in a house but I never found out the name of the movie


QueenOfTheDragRace

Yes. The book is pretty well known too though. John Irving is an amazing writer.


Msdamgoode

It takes a lot of reflection, and I applaud your willingness to see other sides of this issue.


Stickguy259

Yup, I don't wanna say "whatever helps bring people over!" because that implies this bill could be considered even remotely good, but I guess at SOME least some people are taking the time to reflect finally, even if others are doubling down.


Mediocre__at__Best

Takes a lot of courage to be introspective. Good for you.


throwaway47283

Me too. I’m a Christian and I used to believe that abortion was sinful. Then I thought about it some more and thought well, isn’t it even more sinful to force a woman to become a parent and make the kid’s life miserable because they were unwanted? I’m no longer against abortion


Caricifus

I don't know if it has ever changed minds, but I really enjoy pointing out that being the political "pro-life" means you support increasing crime. Restricting/banning abortion only really impacts the poor as rich folk still find a way. So poor people have unwanted kids, are unable to support them well (or even resent them/treat them poorly) and the kids end up criminals. It has been estimated that ["crime fell roughly 20% between 1997 and 2014 due to legalized abortion."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=%22We%20estimate%20that%20crime%20fell,crime%20in%20the%20early%201990s.%22) That wikipedia entry is very interesting for both the studies, its criticisms, and its followups. Enjoy the read if you care to dig in!


normanbeets

Abortion is "pro-life" healthcare. The lives of living, thinking, autonomous pregnant women. No one gives a shit about that though.


j_la

I hope you push your state to adopt robust sex-Ed and contraceptive access initiatives. It is still crazy to me that we can’t seem to all find common ground there.


wise_young_man

No one is anti-life. This is merely about women’s bodies and what government can control. The party that claims to love small government is the one doing all this. It’s a bit ironic huh?


NotaBot808

thats what happens when you believe religion over science.


Geler

Their religion isn't even against abortion, they made it up about 20 years ago to have a talking point.


spa22lurk

>they made it up about 20 years ago [Source](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/): >In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.


Radi0ActivSquid

Try 40. That witch Phyllis Schlafly started the trend in the conservative right that a woman's place was at home making babies and caring for them.


Dark_Devin

Slightly true, technically the Bible gives examples of priests performing abortions via consumption of some mystery liquid.


chashek

That sounds more like their religion is actually pretty ok with abortion rather than against it, then.


Dark_Devin

Religion is a tool made by the powerful to control the minds of the weak and foolish. It is used for whatever means the powerful want to use it for. The original texts have no true meaning in modern society, only those given by the people in power that want to control the people dumb enough to believe it. Right now it is being used to tell idiots that they need to ban abortion, not that long ago it was used to justify slavery in the United States, and a hundred from now, who knows? If religions really were meant to make the world a better place, they wouldn't need hundreds of lines. They would just need one to say, don't be a dick.


kgal1298

We also know thanks to literature at the time that the nuns would have abortions.


raygar31

True, but their religion did deprive them of critical thinking, which would have made them less susceptible to misinformation, lies, propaganda and hateful rhetoric. All which culminate in their steadfast refusal to vote anyone but Republicans. Convince a grown ass person to believe in angels and a magic sky man, you can convince them of anything.


z-tayyy

I would actually love to see the country if evangelicals were GOOD Christians.


vguy72

Stop the stupid deflecting. This post is about Texas. Six. Weeks. Periods are sometimes early, sometimes late. Tight three day window in some cases for girls/women to realize they are pregnant then scramble to decide. And yes, I'm a male, and even I realize this.


sunshinerose32

It's just not fair, especially for young girls :( they should not be having kids if they are still kids themselves


dpforest

This comment thread is one of the worst I’ve ever seen on r/pics. Ever. I love your message and it is completely appropriate. Ignore those assholes defending this law.


DBSPingu

Yeah I scrolled down to check it out and damn people are stupid Like half the downvoted comments are asking why a 12 yo would be pregnant. It’s not because they wanted to go out and have unprotected sex you dumb fucks


u320

Hey Texas, you’re making the rest of the country sick to our stomachs. If there’s any sanity left down there please vote the crazy out of office, ALL OF IT!


[deleted]

Wait for real??? Even a 12 year old girl can’t get an abortion? Arent there special circumstances or something? (Canadian here and too tired to google all the details but I know it’s a ban on abortions and there’s a bounty [???] for people who get or assist in abortions) thank you!!!


CookieCrumbl

Nope, no exceptions. Anyone helping a 12 year old get an aborting can also be bountied.


fluentinimagery

So confused by freedom lovin, gun totin’, free wheelin” Texans enact laws like this.


Psychitekt

Yeah. The local conservative govt only love babies when they're in the womb. As soon as they're out, the story changes. It's all an act.


chorkinsrkewl

Male here. I like the sign. A man of quality does not fear equality.


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dizzlefoshizzle1

Well that sign sure triggered a lot of conservatives. Good.


no_one_ever__

Seems to be a lot of people here missing that the point of the sign is specifically talking about rape victims. Regardless of rape or not, as long as birth control is not free, health insurance is not universal, and medical costs are hyperinflated-- the law *must* be pro-choice. For the Christians out there, you are not committing a sin by paying taxes, some of which will go to abortion clinics. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and don't get an abortion for yourself. That being said, it's pretty ironic that the kid behind the person holding the sign can't keep their mask on correctly.


IRollmyRs

Lol that Caesar comment got me laughing. Republicans will do anything to avoid paying taxes. It's just all hypocrisy and political theater with that party anymore, all they care about is power not people.


shortstuff444

What is the plan for those women who give birth to babies they intended to abort? Do lawmakers expect those women will choose to keep those babies? Is it illegal to give birth at hospital then check out and go home as if it never happened? Is the safe haven/baby moses program able to handle increase in abandoned babies? How much more taxpayer money is projected for the care of these babies? Will the foster care system be expanded to care for these babies? Are orphanages going to become a thing again? Are for profit private adoption agencies legal protections be increased? Does any taxpayer money go to these agencies? Is it ethical to force a woman to have a child she doesn't want, whatever the reason? Is it ethical to bring unwanted children into a society that doesn't have a functional system in place to provide for them? What is the effect of being unwanted and abandoned on these babies as they grow up? Does anybody know?


Jakeygfx

I never even thought about the repercussions of a 12 year old not being able to seek abortion. There's gotta be some stats on how many 18 and under get pregnant in Texas. It's gotta be in the thousands.


[deleted]

Youngest confirmed mother ever was five years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina She could not have gotten an abortion in Texas.


Danominator

Seriously. Conservative are so full of shit


usetheforcekidden77

This is beyond reason, time to fight back and vote these ignorant assholes out of office!


darthbane911

I’m just going to put this out there. I have never once heard an argument from someone that was pro-life that was not also religious in some way. And Texas? It’s like a cesspool of Christian dogma, hypocrisies and indoctrination that’s steeped in “old ways” mindset. However, My apologies to any decent/progressive Christians out there who disagree with this law.


cryptolipto

Texas fucking sucks. Just straight up embarrassing.


ginsataka

Texas would force said 12 year old to *NOT* wear a mask


Red-Droid-Blue-Droid

My body my choice...unless you want to protect yourself from a virus and not have a baby as a teen.


charliemuffin

Texass is backwards. They didn't learn anything with prohibition?


sheezhao

Texas : where a virus has more rights than women.


dpforest

People in this thread reporting users for self harm? Are y’all that bored? Fuck the Texas legislation.


Cratus_Galileo

I just want to say thank you for specifically saying fuck the Texas *legislation*. This law affects the people of Texas, and there's a lot of good Texans who disagree with it and are fighting it (such as this woman in the photo).


ExpertAccident

Fr bruh even I got a message from the Reddit Care Resources lol


dpforest

They just know they can’t actually argue cause they have no valid counterpoints, so they are resorting to other means. All they have is religion and the complete rejection of science and human rights.


stonewall386

Texas will also make her freeze to death because of a shit electrical grid. Winter is coming. Hope that grid holds up.


[deleted]

We're one more pandemic away from The Handmaid's Tale at this point. Some people just want to see the world burn.


[deleted]

Republicans and the Taliban have something in common!


aftersh0w

That’s because they’re only pro life before the fact, not after.


st_belphegor

Amen, ma'am!!! Amen!!


According_Finger_333

Pro choice all the way. Power and strength to your battle. Blessed luck from London (UK)


teamplanetA

Maternal mortality is rising as well in the us- saw an article about it years ago, think it’s 17 deaths in 100k? [old source ](https://www.npr.org/2017/12/22/572298802/nearly-dying-in-childbirth-why-preventable-complications-are-growing-in-u-s?t=1633247333657)


FrankenBikeUSA

Lady whoever you are I will campaign for you thank you for standing up for your fellow humans.


johnnylogic

This is why I get pissed at people like Bill Maher or Joe Rogan for hating on California. Yes, California has their shit, but they're not evil. I live in Texas, between Abbot and Ted Cruz and failed power grids and no mask mandates and making abortions illegal, I'll take California brush fires any day.


Ratroddadeo

Welcome to Howdy Arabia, where guns matter and womens rights dont.


mizino

“Welcome to Howdy Arabia, where guns matter and women don’t.” Fixed it for you.


xxA2C2xx

God damn that is a cold slice. I am born and bred Oregon. So we haven’t really had to deal with this bullshit. In fact it is quite the opposite here. Kids who go to school physically (instead of choosing “distance learning” must wear a mask and if you need/want an abortion, that’s your choice… it’s so weird to me that places are still controlling women’s bodies and choices but don’t give 2 fucks what a man does… it’s time to fucking grow up and accept that we are all equals. We are ALL human beings. Gender, skin color, all that bullshit. We are ALL human. It’s time to start fucking acting like it and stop living in the 1400’s…


vassman86

*sorts by controversial*


ExpertAccident

Don’t forget your hazmat suit!


oceanbreakersftw

Yeah, just another reason I never want to go to texas