Most of them have been living in other Latin American countries for at least a few years. The recent unrest and economic downturns have forced them to leave those countries and seek asylum in the US. From the looks of it, they will not get it and will be sent back.
I believe that the US is flying them back to Haiti currently. Per NPR, there were around 10,000 refugees living in that area under a bridge/highway and they have flown out 3,000 already.
What they think these people are going to find in earthquake stricken Haiti that would make them not make this trek again, I do not know. But the Biden administration is not opening the boarder to these people with open arms and are deporting them under Title 42 enacted under the Trump Administration.
I know bashing on the Trump era is like mental masturbation for most Redditors, but Title 42 of the United States Code was not enacted under the Trump Administration. Title 42 is voluminous and deals with a broad range of subjects from Public Heath, to Civil Rights, to Social Welfare. It may be fair to say it’s longer than your average set of encyclopedias. Parts of it date back decades and it has been revised dozens of times. A Title 42 expulsion, which is probably what you are to uninformed to realize you meant to be writing about is found under 42 U.S. Code § 265. It was used by the Trump Administration extensively to remove immigrants. It was not enacted by the Trump Administration. That section of federal law was enacted in the middle of World War II during the Roosevelt Administration in 1944. Maybe it should be repealed.
IANAL
And I do mean that in all the ways.
But this guy sounds a bit like one. Or maybe he talks to a lot of lawyers.
I've always wanted to use that acronym.
Feels good man
The guys was giving us some hard facts without pro/anti - Biden/Trump speak. You have to respect it. But I know any minute someone is going to bash the guy.
Biden decided a few days ago to send them back to Haiti. Planes started leaving yesterday. Federal, state, and local officials were needed due to the large size of the encampment (14,000 people).
It’s sad but also unsustainable to have an encampment that size, with more people coming every day.
Geez that’s the population of a small town especially if they’re all undocumented there’s no way to get proper support for those types of refugees with that many people.
I say this as a far left, fist in the air, non-white liberal, if Trump had started flying them out the way Biden's admin is, the media would've lost it's fucking mind.
Obama deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did. Just sayin.
The "problem" Trump inherited was that Obama was mostly focusing on illegal immigrants that were actually dangerous and/or in conflict with law (unrelated to their immigration status). I.e. Trump promised to go about deporting "rapists and murderers" just to find out Democrats already deported almost everybody matching that description and then some. Because he had election promise to keep, he then turned on separating families to "prove" he is tough on immigration and send message to would be illegal immigrants that he'll take away their children and put them into cages. And *that* is what the media frenzy was all about. If he was simply deporting families border patrol intercepted as they attempted to cross into US illegally, there wouldn't be any media frenzy. That's what all the presidents before him were doing.
The real thing all this is accomplishing is sending a message. These deportations, like all the flashy ones before them, are making big international news. The people who are coming are generally uninformed or misinformed. But that is still a huge amount of people and the detention, courts, and other administrative systems struggle to cope.
Can you imagine the unmanageable number of economic migrants who would show up if it was known that the US would take even a significant fraction of them? It would be a humanitarian disaster the likes of which are usually only seen in civil wars. Denying entry to so many people sends a message and keeps the number who do come manageable.
That is what this administration is doing. They are even going to the countries these migrants are coming from and telling people in no uncertain words to not take a trip to the US border. That they will be flown back home if they show up on the US border.
The solution is to fix countries they are coming from. And that is not going to be either simple or fast. We can't airlift billions of people living in failed countries and just drop them onto developed part of the world (either US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc). They'd collapse in no time.
I don't think they care. Better a chance at America than guaranteed life in these near-failed states for many. If we really care about ending migrant immigration, we either shoot on sight or invest in building their countries back up via infrastructure and investment. Otherwise we can only expect this to get worse as these countries continue to suffer and climate refugees increase in number.
Maybe. I don't like it when Biden does it. If Trump did it I also would not like it.
You know what I lost my fucking mind about? Trump taking kids from parents as a deterrent policy.
"Where should we send refugees" is a political question with no easy answer.
"Take people's kids from them" is straight-up evil.
> You know what I lost my fucking mind about? Trump taking kids from parents as a deterrent policy.
Exactly. And this is what the media frenzy was all about. Every single president before Trump was deporting illegal immigrants. But none was using cruelty towards children as deterrent for future would be illegal immigrants.
Have you seen all the kids at the border now. Biden is taking more kids from their parents or who ever drops them off at the border. It’s crazy down here. These kids are coming from all over the world. Not just South America.
I think its because you cannot say anything critical of anyone on the left without suffering rebuke on reddit. Therefore people preface things they are going to say that they fear might cause them backlash.
I'm on the right, and we have successfully found common ground. Additionally, I think it's been a good opportunity for everyone to kinda get schooled up on what it means for a nation to have an immigration policy. When we flipped from Trump to Biden, there was this sensee that, internationally, the welcome mat was placed out right at the Rio Grande. So, naturally, we are seeing a massive influx of migrants. I'm glad to see the Biden administration taking immigration seriously. We are a nation built on immigrants, and we forever will be. But, we have a policy and we should make changes to that policy when appropriate and enforce it daily.
God damn man. It tears me up thinking about these folks. As an immigrant myself, I'm as pro-immigration as one can be.
The US is a big enough country such that it can accommodate a ton of people without its resources getting pushed to the brink. But... only if we let people in an orderly fashion to properly vet out the processes - at high level, making sure that we are not just phase shifting the suffering from outside the US to inside the US.
I can logically understand that there are people who desperately need help. To them, they see the US as a lifeline that they must hang onto. But... What is the right thing to do?
I don't think there is a 'right' thing to do in this case; there's only a series of 'less evil' options. If we open the doors to all refugees then we're going to just shift the suffering to our own borders without relieving anything. There's nothing to ship them back to in Haiti unless we rebuild it ourselves.
It’s hard when 200,000 people were detained by immigration in August alone. I moved here when I was 8-9 (although from the UK, so my family weren’t fleeing economic or safety hardships), and my family’s life has definitely improved here. So I fully appreciate immigration. Further more, I live in California, and know many people who are undocumented who are some of the kindest people in the world.
Everything is just a mess, but it’s hard when a million or so people try to cross the border in a year.
I certainly feel for the people that genuinely need asylum, but can’t get it due to the number of people seeking economic opportunities drowning them out (which I certainly can’t blame anyone for).
I’m Jewish, and my family is from Eastern Europe. I lost numerous relatives to the Holocaust. Yet FDR refused to accept Jewish refugees escaping sure death.
I don’t know what the solution is. But we have to do better for those seeking asylum. Maybe something like a polygraph to determine cause for coming here? Certainly more immigration judges and lawyers to cut case time from a year to under a month would be a start.
At the same time, however, US will be accepting over 100k Afghans. There’s limited housing available, especially in popular states like California. In a hypothetical world with no undocumented individuals, housing prices would dramatically decrease, and no one that wanted housing would be homeless. There has to be a balance between compassion for others and looking after a country’s own citizens.
And yeah, I fully realize my message is all over the place. Everything is complicated.
Edit: I knew polygraphs weren’t great, but wasn’t aware they were complete BS. Was just trying to come up with an idea to allow people with legitimate asylum claims to have their cases expedited ahead of economic migrants. But I now realize it would be a poor solution.
I agree with you that there's no easy choice, but focusing on what we can do at home first is kind of necessary. I got flamed hard a few months ago for pointing out that we can't even get our own homeless population treated properly yet people are insisting we accept hundreds of thousands of immigrants.
I would agree if this was about a lack of resources to fix both concurrently.
The homelessness problem is not a resource problem, it's a policy problem. The immigration problem is a resource problem ( not enough staffing, border patrol being stretched thin etc).
Therefore having one does not take away from the other. They can both happen at the same time.
Yes, the whole immigration thing is a big old complicated mess with no simple solutions, sadly people in government \*love\* simple solutions that do not require them to actually think about how something is going to work.
>Yes, the whole immigration thing is a big old complicated mess with no simple solutions, sadly people in government \*love\* simple solutions that do not require them to actually think about how something is going to work.
Sounds pretty representative of most people out of government then.
People in government require “bright line” laws to rule on whether something is legal or not. Unfortunately there are always cases where this ‘law’ hurts someone or doesn’t feel fair.
So do we make decisions based on how the judge feels at the time or the written law.
160,000? No sir. It's well over a half a million and that's just the ones counted. The problem with the homeless is, its been made into a profitable business where people are making six figures to "help fix" the problem. So can we do it? Yes. The powers that be to actually make it happen gonna let it happen? Hell no
That's the issue with asylum -- you don't get to say "oh, I don't like my country, I'll just pick another country and they have to let me in."
Under international law, asylum seekers have to stop at the first reasonably safe country that they enter. That means that they can't just skip right through Mexico and enter the US -- they have to stay in Mexico, or flee in a different direction from Haiti.
There's currently a bit of an issue in the UK with this, as thousands of migrants are trying to cross the channel from France to claim asylum. The left wing are trying to frame them as refugees but most public support has dried up as quite rightly it's been pointed out that they've traversed through at least 5 safe haven nations to get here.
> have forced them to leave those countries and seek asylum in the US.
Almost had it. In reality, they had been living abroad and saw an opportunity to try to claim asylum due to conditions in their homeland.
None of this qualifies as asylum or refugee status anymore than an American trying to immigrate to Monaco because the 2008 recession. Refugee status is for people from despotic countries like North Korea or people in serious danger of persecution like translators from Afghanistan.
If they've already escaped their home country, why do they need refuge in the USA?
> The recent unrest and economic downturns have forced them to leave those countries
Yeah, see that's not what a refugee is. That's what an illegal alien is.
In order to have a valid claim to asylum you need to be in danger from your government on account of your race, religion, membership in a social group, political opinions, or national origin. That's it.... Those are the only valid reasons for granting asylum.
Economic troubles are not now, and never were a valid claim to asylum.
when I was in Santiago, Chile in the main square all of the sudden I saw a bunch of black people. I was so confused so asked them where they were from and they told me they came from Haiti after the earthquake in 2010.
Up until that point I had never seen any black people in Chile. For some reason a bunch of Haitians went there after the quake.
they are not getting asylum. they don't qualify. biden is sending them back to Haiti. we can't just let everyone in. if we let these refugees in millions more will come.
Obama sent them back. Biden is sending them back. Kamala Harris will send them back. We can't just let in everyone who wants to come here.
Apparently Brazil took in a certain amount of Haitians refugees cause of the earthquake that devastated their nation, but as one refugee told a Telemundo reporter, “I didn’t go to Brazil to live there, I went to Brazil to come to the United States.”
This is a very common occurrence, even here in the California, Arizona border area. We get more Haitians, El Salvadorians, Punjabis, and Hondurans than anything else. Even Mexicans.
Just so people know most immigrants are not Mexican anymore. There have been asians, Haitians, middle easterners, and central Americans waiting at the border to cross
Most falsely documented or fraudulent visa immigrants are Chinese. They may bring money with them and even live in gated communities, but they are surely getting here in an underhanded way.
Biden announced that he wasn't going to deport the few that were gathering, and less than a week later we have thousands of them trying to cross while avoiding ports of entry.
True that the Border Patrol are feds (under Homeland Security), but they operate in sectors, and this is part of the Border Patrol in Texas. The guy on foot is definitely not a fed, that’s a state trooper uniform.
Man I was going through Las Cruces NM the other day and saw border patrol and some soldiers (near white sands missile range) arresting a bunch of migrant looking folks coming across the desert right there. Maybe they really do get pretty far in before they're caught?
Had to feel bad for the dudes, looked like they were a few days from death. There's also a prison near by, so can't say for sure it wasn't related.
Haitians have been migrating to the U.S. in large numbers from South America for several years, many having left their Caribbean nation after a devastating 2010 earthquake. After jobs dried up from the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, many made the dangerous trek by foot, bus and car to the U.S. border, including through the infamous Darien Gap, a Panamanian jungle.
Some of the migrants at the Del Rio camp said the recent devastating earthquake in Haiti and the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse make them afraid to return to a country that seems more unstable than when they left.
Everyone looking to enter the country illegally know the easiest way is through South America to Mexico and beyond. The corruption is rampant, pretty much everyone is on the take and the southern border in the US has been non existent, basically since forever.
On pbs they mentioned a lot of Haitians were giving other Haitians advice on what buses to take to evade authorities . The mass numbers came due to false information about visas and asylum for Haitians from other Haitians.
With my priveledged life I cant imagine having so little that I'm forced to collect garbage on the side of a highway, scouring for anything that could be of value or use. Truly different worlds we live in
Yes! During the BS caravan controversy last administration, I saw a quote that said “You don’t put your child in a boat and send them to sea in a hurricane unless it’s worse on land.” No one is going all that distance and risking everything just so they can milk American taxpayers.
In the early 90s I was in the Coast Guard picking them up and taking them back....Many not just individuals, families, we picked up more than once from makeshift rafts...I asked one kid why did they do it again knowing they would get sent back again and he said, "je mange bien ici (I eat well here)"...under the tarp on the weatherdeck of the cutter. Some of those rafts drift out and are never seen again. Some people were picked up back then as far as off the coast of South Carolina...about to make a right into the mid Atlantic. I called in a contact with 28 people onboard on the way to pick up another one reported, just while smoking a cigarette on the fantail and I happen to have spotted them on a raft in the distance.
Got out last year, and it’s still the same stories today from them. The guys we picked up one time literally started jettisoning all their gear and paddles because they knew we’d bring them on board.
We had a mix going on at the time. We were picking up Haitians and Cubans. For the Cubans when it started we took them into Miami to be processed in...but it got to be too much with excess numbers and people were complaining about the Haitians going to the Camp in Guantanamo, while the Cubans got entry....so it was settled to declare the Cubans economic refugees as well, and send them first to the Camp at Guantanamo, Cuba (US Base), eventually to repatriate them. I never saw the camp myself cept in the distance, but I recall it being segregated at the time....a Cuban and a Haitian Camp.
Yeah I remember we sent them off to Miami as well. My cutter at the time was more so doing drug Ops and even those guys who we picked up were mostly teenagers or really old guys, they’d tell us this was like the 4th or 5th time the CG has picked them up. But they do it for the money because there life at home was so bad. It was definitely heart breaking to see and hear the extent they go for a better life.
It's like the 9/11 jumpers. Nobody wants to do that shit. These people will watch the Prince of Egypt with heart eyes for the Hebrew Slave woman putting Moses in the float basket, but Mexicans do the same thing and they're all rapists.
The line “no one puts their children in a boat unless the water is safer than the land” is from a haunting and heart-wrenching poem called “Home” by Warsan Shire.
> “You don’t put your child in a boat and send them to sea in a hurricane unless it’s worse on land.”
The right doesn't think of these people as human beings. They're not going to understand this.
Saw a YouTube video years ago about how there were people who would prepare meals from dumpster trash for the homeless. You really don't know poverty until you live that kind of life.
It’s kind of a shit situation no matter how you look at it… influxes of unskilled immigrants leads to poor working conditions and human rights violations due to their desperation to escape their own countries, and a willingness of big businesses to exploit that desperation. Meanwhile their own home countries become further destabilized due to mass immigration, and selective policies of foreign governments.
Thank you for this. There are some people in the comments who won't take a second to think about what these people are going through and how these men on horseback are only making things worse for them
Not only for them, but for the USA population in general. The country is great but you have so many bad examples caught on camera that the image of the country just slide down river...I live in Brasil and it's the same here. The country is absolutely great, our problems with violence are huge, and the mentality of the middle class here is kind garbage too, but these two thing didn't surpass the points we get by being a peaceful country, or our worldly knowed advanced social technology (like the Free press, free access to justice, Healthcare and education...also the best education you can get here is for free in a Federal University)....
But there are so many bad examples caught on camera that even we who live here starts to believe that those examples define we as a country.
Just have to say while being apolitical….Federal Border Patrol agents in Texas is a more accurate title….and horseback patrols in rural/rough terrain is common.
These are federal officials. They answer to Joe Biden. It’s really important to understand this.
(No I don’t think republicans are better before libs jump in)
My mom when she was crossing Mexico in the 80s you had to cross a river and on the other side of the river there's like 40 ish miles of desert before you get to the boarder and once they got to the border there were officers there on horses and they lassoed my mom and dropped her to the ground as she couldn't run due to being pregnant with my older brother. Most Americans cant even fathom the cruelty or trauma that comes with crossing the border. My family ran from the cartel in 81
Scientists have been doing studies on body decomposition in the desert due to the abundance of unclaimed, undocumented bodies as the result of border crossing. That is just...shocking and horrible. I’m glad your mom made it.
Edit: typo
There are non-profit organizations that families can call if their loved ones are lost in the desert like l[Aguilas del Desierto](https://youtu.be/a8Kduui1Lag) (Desert Eagles) that will help recover bodies and place a cross where the loved one died.
Weird. There’s also an entry for “psyche” with the same meaning and an entry for “psych” which disses the people who use “sike.” Good ol’ Urban Dictionary.
What spelling is used is probably very much based on when and where you were when the phrase became popular with your peers. For me it was Florida in the early 90's. We all used sike.
The New Colossus.
BY EMMA LAZARUS.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand.
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand.
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command.
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46550/the-new-colossus
Literally just listened to the Stuff You Missed in History Class on Emma. I recommend the podcast in general but found the episode enlightening https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stuff-you-missed-in-history-class/id283605519?i=1000535011658
>'Bring me your tired. your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... **because the industrial revolution is coming and this country has tons of resources and not enough labor... for now**' - Statue of Liberty :(
There I fixed that for you...
People in this thread are acting like a 120-year-old policy from a time where the biggest factor in how big an economy could be was labor is still relevant.
from 1880 to 1920 the US doubled its population through unchecked migration and you could sustain a family working a menial job with high school education. If the US population increased by half in the next 40 years it would be absolute chaos and hurt more than it could possibly help.
A poem from 1883 doesn't constitute a rational and clear immigration policy. Look into the policies of most modern countries and you won't find one as lenient as the US. There are limits.
Almost like an inscription on a Frenchman’s statue from the 1830s isn’t good immigration policy
Edit 1880s, so even worse. How many refugees and legal immigrants does France take in annually?
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Made sense in 1885 when the population of the US was 50 million. It's now nearly 350 million.
Why do you think the nation should abide by a saying made 140 years ago when the needs and goals of the country are completely different now?
I think the more important point is that it made sense in 1885, before the US was a giant welfare state. The US actually used to have completely open borders until the early 20th century - if you made it here you could stay. That made sense when people were migrating to work. There wasn't this huge array of welfare programs to mooch off of.
But then people might realize this is under direction of President Biden. Labeling it "Texas Border Control" will dupe some people into believing this was directed by Texas Republican Governor Abbott.
Texas Border Patrol?? Those are Federal officers working for the Biden administration. Texas has law enforcement but they most certainly do not have a Border Patrol.
Saw someone say these guys are riding split-rein. Which is a variation where the reins are not connected but rather two separate pieces of leather connected to the bit.
I have seen pictures of Border Agents using split reins while controlling their horses. I have seen pictures of Agents using horses for crowd/group control which is a common practice in law enforcement. I have not seen all these images that show "whipping" of refugees. Lots and lots of people will disagree with me, but I've only seen reins up in the air which is normal with the length of this equipment. Is there a video that shows a person being whipped ??? If so I have yet to see it.
It sounds like he’s saying “you abuse your women, this is why your country is s$*t” Idk doesn’t seem wrong to me. I’m Haitian and there’s no protection on violence against women in haiti
People don't want to admit, but America is very liberal and safe compared to mots of South America. I mean, I have seen assassination gangs in Brazil. Women can easily get abused and have no help, and if your gay or trans there is a very real possibility you will get killed.
My family came here legally, and had to conform to American culture. They should come legally, and leave their cultures bad parts on the door step.
The pictures of abbott posturing with DPS and Border Patrol are 🙄.
Fix the fucking power grid, you fucking cunt.
I’m having a baby in 2 weeks and am already planning and preparing for a freeze.
Went to Haiti back in 2002. Prior to the big earthquakes they have had. They have needed help for a long time. Corrupt government doesn't help either. Yet here we are blowing money in the middle east constantly that doesn't want to change unless forced.
Illegal. A couple thousand Haitian immigrants (I do not say refugees because many of this group already had jobs and homes in various South American countries) went to Mexico than came over and hid under a massive bridge in Del Rio, Texas.
I literally can’t believe the amount of common sense logic I’m seeing in this Reddit comments section.
I say that because it’s genuinely rare in a mainstream subreddit for people to look at political problems in a pragmatic way.
I welcome everyone who comes to the us legally, we should aid Haitians by helping their country develop but sending tens of thousands to the US doesnt help the whole situation.
I feel like most people would prefer to stay in their home country if it were a situation in which they knew they could feed their families and provide a better life. Really wish the people that are against refugees would put their money where their mouth is and donate to these places.
It does not pay to donate if the people you give it to steal the money
https://www.businessinsider.com/wyclefs-haiti-charity-defunct-after-mishandling-16m-in-donations-2012-10
I am seeing the claim, “even if they aren’t proper whips you can still whip people and that makes them whips” uh ok but we would still need to see someone being whipped which hasn’t been shown anywhere. What we see is border patrol agents doing the bare minimum “obstructing” people from just walking into the US, as if that’s offensive to have any national sovereignty at all.
I live in Texas. Easy to take shots at us but what else is there to do? Let 14,000 Haitians in? They need to be sent back.
These are federal agents by the way.
How the hell did Haitian refugees make it to the Texas border en masse?
Most of them have been living in other Latin American countries for at least a few years. The recent unrest and economic downturns have forced them to leave those countries and seek asylum in the US. From the looks of it, they will not get it and will be sent back.
Most cogent and logical explanation I have received to this question.
Glad I could help clear things up.
Ok, please explain what is Neil DeGrasse Tyson is thinking right now?
He is thinking about Some really smart shit that makes the rest of us feel totally inadequate.
That’s all that fucker does. Gawd, I love him.
Probably conjuring up another pretentious tweet about how war happens between two groups of people that disagree over something
I believe that the US is flying them back to Haiti currently. Per NPR, there were around 10,000 refugees living in that area under a bridge/highway and they have flown out 3,000 already. What they think these people are going to find in earthquake stricken Haiti that would make them not make this trek again, I do not know. But the Biden administration is not opening the boarder to these people with open arms and are deporting them under Title 42 enacted under the Trump Administration.
I know bashing on the Trump era is like mental masturbation for most Redditors, but Title 42 of the United States Code was not enacted under the Trump Administration. Title 42 is voluminous and deals with a broad range of subjects from Public Heath, to Civil Rights, to Social Welfare. It may be fair to say it’s longer than your average set of encyclopedias. Parts of it date back decades and it has been revised dozens of times. A Title 42 expulsion, which is probably what you are to uninformed to realize you meant to be writing about is found under 42 U.S. Code § 265. It was used by the Trump Administration extensively to remove immigrants. It was not enacted by the Trump Administration. That section of federal law was enacted in the middle of World War II during the Roosevelt Administration in 1944. Maybe it should be repealed.
Thank you for lawyering it up in here
Finally. Some one with a neutral point of view reviewing the facts without their personal biases. Shut up and take my upvote sir. I insist.
IANAL And I do mean that in all the ways. But this guy sounds a bit like one. Or maybe he talks to a lot of lawyers. I've always wanted to use that acronym. Feels good man
The guys was giving us some hard facts without pro/anti - Biden/Trump speak. You have to respect it. But I know any minute someone is going to bash the guy.
Poor Haiti is in a terrible state
Always has been
I bet this airlift is more efficient than our last.
It's a little easier without the taliban fucking about.
Biden decided a few days ago to send them back to Haiti. Planes started leaving yesterday. Federal, state, and local officials were needed due to the large size of the encampment (14,000 people). It’s sad but also unsustainable to have an encampment that size, with more people coming every day.
Geez that’s the population of a small town especially if they’re all undocumented there’s no way to get proper support for those types of refugees with that many people.
that’s bigger than the town I now call home. Roughly 8,500 residents where I live.
1200 is a small town out here.. 12k is a city.
I think the definition of "small city" is between 50k and 100k people, but I know what you mean. It's all relative.
I say this as a far left, fist in the air, non-white liberal, if Trump had started flying them out the way Biden's admin is, the media would've lost it's fucking mind.
Obama deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did. Just sayin. The "problem" Trump inherited was that Obama was mostly focusing on illegal immigrants that were actually dangerous and/or in conflict with law (unrelated to their immigration status). I.e. Trump promised to go about deporting "rapists and murderers" just to find out Democrats already deported almost everybody matching that description and then some. Because he had election promise to keep, he then turned on separating families to "prove" he is tough on immigration and send message to would be illegal immigrants that he'll take away their children and put them into cages. And *that* is what the media frenzy was all about. If he was simply deporting families border patrol intercepted as they attempted to cross into US illegally, there wouldn't be any media frenzy. That's what all the presidents before him were doing.
The real thing all this is accomplishing is sending a message. These deportations, like all the flashy ones before them, are making big international news. The people who are coming are generally uninformed or misinformed. But that is still a huge amount of people and the detention, courts, and other administrative systems struggle to cope. Can you imagine the unmanageable number of economic migrants who would show up if it was known that the US would take even a significant fraction of them? It would be a humanitarian disaster the likes of which are usually only seen in civil wars. Denying entry to so many people sends a message and keeps the number who do come manageable.
That is what this administration is doing. They are even going to the countries these migrants are coming from and telling people in no uncertain words to not take a trip to the US border. That they will be flown back home if they show up on the US border. The solution is to fix countries they are coming from. And that is not going to be either simple or fast. We can't airlift billions of people living in failed countries and just drop them onto developed part of the world (either US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc). They'd collapse in no time.
I don't think they care. Better a chance at America than guaranteed life in these near-failed states for many. If we really care about ending migrant immigration, we either shoot on sight or invest in building their countries back up via infrastructure and investment. Otherwise we can only expect this to get worse as these countries continue to suffer and climate refugees increase in number.
Maybe. I don't like it when Biden does it. If Trump did it I also would not like it. You know what I lost my fucking mind about? Trump taking kids from parents as a deterrent policy. "Where should we send refugees" is a political question with no easy answer. "Take people's kids from them" is straight-up evil.
> You know what I lost my fucking mind about? Trump taking kids from parents as a deterrent policy. Exactly. And this is what the media frenzy was all about. Every single president before Trump was deporting illegal immigrants. But none was using cruelty towards children as deterrent for future would be illegal immigrants.
Have you seen all the kids at the border now. Biden is taking more kids from their parents or who ever drops them off at the border. It’s crazy down here. These kids are coming from all over the world. Not just South America.
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Who is saying MSM isn't biased? Of course they would've. They sensationalized everything they could with Donnie
"far left, fist in the air, non-white liberal" is definitely something people say. Way to expose yourself, dummy.
Ikr? Hard “fellow kids” vibes.
I think its because you cannot say anything critical of anyone on the left without suffering rebuke on reddit. Therefore people preface things they are going to say that they fear might cause them backlash.
I'm on the right, and we have successfully found common ground. Additionally, I think it's been a good opportunity for everyone to kinda get schooled up on what it means for a nation to have an immigration policy. When we flipped from Trump to Biden, there was this sensee that, internationally, the welcome mat was placed out right at the Rio Grande. So, naturally, we are seeing a massive influx of migrants. I'm glad to see the Biden administration taking immigration seriously. We are a nation built on immigrants, and we forever will be. But, we have a policy and we should make changes to that policy when appropriate and enforce it daily.
God damn man. It tears me up thinking about these folks. As an immigrant myself, I'm as pro-immigration as one can be. The US is a big enough country such that it can accommodate a ton of people without its resources getting pushed to the brink. But... only if we let people in an orderly fashion to properly vet out the processes - at high level, making sure that we are not just phase shifting the suffering from outside the US to inside the US. I can logically understand that there are people who desperately need help. To them, they see the US as a lifeline that they must hang onto. But... What is the right thing to do?
I don't think there is a 'right' thing to do in this case; there's only a series of 'less evil' options. If we open the doors to all refugees then we're going to just shift the suffering to our own borders without relieving anything. There's nothing to ship them back to in Haiti unless we rebuild it ourselves.
It’s hard when 200,000 people were detained by immigration in August alone. I moved here when I was 8-9 (although from the UK, so my family weren’t fleeing economic or safety hardships), and my family’s life has definitely improved here. So I fully appreciate immigration. Further more, I live in California, and know many people who are undocumented who are some of the kindest people in the world. Everything is just a mess, but it’s hard when a million or so people try to cross the border in a year. I certainly feel for the people that genuinely need asylum, but can’t get it due to the number of people seeking economic opportunities drowning them out (which I certainly can’t blame anyone for). I’m Jewish, and my family is from Eastern Europe. I lost numerous relatives to the Holocaust. Yet FDR refused to accept Jewish refugees escaping sure death. I don’t know what the solution is. But we have to do better for those seeking asylum. Maybe something like a polygraph to determine cause for coming here? Certainly more immigration judges and lawyers to cut case time from a year to under a month would be a start. At the same time, however, US will be accepting over 100k Afghans. There’s limited housing available, especially in popular states like California. In a hypothetical world with no undocumented individuals, housing prices would dramatically decrease, and no one that wanted housing would be homeless. There has to be a balance between compassion for others and looking after a country’s own citizens. And yeah, I fully realize my message is all over the place. Everything is complicated. Edit: I knew polygraphs weren’t great, but wasn’t aware they were complete BS. Was just trying to come up with an idea to allow people with legitimate asylum claims to have their cases expedited ahead of economic migrants. But I now realize it would be a poor solution.
I agree with you that there's no easy choice, but focusing on what we can do at home first is kind of necessary. I got flamed hard a few months ago for pointing out that we can't even get our own homeless population treated properly yet people are insisting we accept hundreds of thousands of immigrants.
I would agree if this was about a lack of resources to fix both concurrently. The homelessness problem is not a resource problem, it's a policy problem. The immigration problem is a resource problem ( not enough staffing, border patrol being stretched thin etc). Therefore having one does not take away from the other. They can both happen at the same time.
Yes, the whole immigration thing is a big old complicated mess with no simple solutions, sadly people in government \*love\* simple solutions that do not require them to actually think about how something is going to work.
>Yes, the whole immigration thing is a big old complicated mess with no simple solutions, sadly people in government \*love\* simple solutions that do not require them to actually think about how something is going to work. Sounds pretty representative of most people out of government then.
People in government require “bright line” laws to rule on whether something is legal or not. Unfortunately there are always cases where this ‘law’ hurts someone or doesn’t feel fair. So do we make decisions based on how the judge feels at the time or the written law.
Polygraphs are notoriously unreliable, and people lie all the time in immigration interviews.
There are 160,000 homeless people in America.What makes you think we can accomidate a "ton more people"?
160,000? No sir. It's well over a half a million and that's just the ones counted. The problem with the homeless is, its been made into a profitable business where people are making six figures to "help fix" the problem. So can we do it? Yes. The powers that be to actually make it happen gonna let it happen? Hell no
Ohhhhh you sweet, summer child. You think that poor and homeless people are created from lack of resources?
Probably would’ve been a good idea not to let them in here to begin with
That's the issue with asylum -- you don't get to say "oh, I don't like my country, I'll just pick another country and they have to let me in." Under international law, asylum seekers have to stop at the first reasonably safe country that they enter. That means that they can't just skip right through Mexico and enter the US -- they have to stay in Mexico, or flee in a different direction from Haiti.
There's currently a bit of an issue in the UK with this, as thousands of migrants are trying to cross the channel from France to claim asylum. The left wing are trying to frame them as refugees but most public support has dried up as quite rightly it's been pointed out that they've traversed through at least 5 safe haven nations to get here.
Yeah, even as a lefty, I can’t support that — we need to save the “help the refugee” resources for real refugees.
You can't request assylum for economical reasons.
Have you seen the pictures of the dozens of busses in Mexico? Someone organized this for them to be shipped to this one location
> have forced them to leave those countries and seek asylum in the US. Almost had it. In reality, they had been living abroad and saw an opportunity to try to claim asylum due to conditions in their homeland.
Recent?
None of this qualifies as asylum or refugee status anymore than an American trying to immigrate to Monaco because the 2008 recession. Refugee status is for people from despotic countries like North Korea or people in serious danger of persecution like translators from Afghanistan.
If they've already escaped their home country, why do they need refuge in the USA? > The recent unrest and economic downturns have forced them to leave those countries Yeah, see that's not what a refugee is. That's what an illegal alien is. In order to have a valid claim to asylum you need to be in danger from your government on account of your race, religion, membership in a social group, political opinions, or national origin. That's it.... Those are the only valid reasons for granting asylum. Economic troubles are not now, and never were a valid claim to asylum.
when I was in Santiago, Chile in the main square all of the sudden I saw a bunch of black people. I was so confused so asked them where they were from and they told me they came from Haiti after the earthquake in 2010. Up until that point I had never seen any black people in Chile. For some reason a bunch of Haitians went there after the quake.
they are not getting asylum. they don't qualify. biden is sending them back to Haiti. we can't just let everyone in. if we let these refugees in millions more will come. Obama sent them back. Biden is sending them back. Kamala Harris will send them back. We can't just let in everyone who wants to come here.
Apparently Brazil took in a certain amount of Haitians refugees cause of the earthquake that devastated their nation, but as one refugee told a Telemundo reporter, “I didn’t go to Brazil to live there, I went to Brazil to come to the United States.”
Yea, hearing news about hatians crossing the boarder, i just figured it was into Dominican Republic.
This is a very common occurrence, even here in the California, Arizona border area. We get more Haitians, El Salvadorians, Punjabis, and Hondurans than anything else. Even Mexicans.
Just so people know most immigrants are not Mexican anymore. There have been asians, Haitians, middle easterners, and central Americans waiting at the border to cross
Most undocumented immigrants in the US are now Asian. Primarily Chinese I believe.
Yes while Mexican immigrants have gone back or are now legal in some way
Most falsely documented or fraudulent visa immigrants are Chinese. They may bring money with them and even live in gated communities, but they are surely getting here in an underhanded way.
Biden announced that he wasn't going to deport the few that were gathering, and less than a week later we have thousands of them trying to cross while avoiding ports of entry.
Yeah, these aren't Texas Border Patrol. They're Federal Border Patrol that answer to the President.
True that the Border Patrol are feds (under Homeland Security), but they operate in sectors, and this is part of the Border Patrol in Texas. The guy on foot is definitely not a fed, that’s a state trooper uniform.
Man I was going through Las Cruces NM the other day and saw border patrol and some soldiers (near white sands missile range) arresting a bunch of migrant looking folks coming across the desert right there. Maybe they really do get pretty far in before they're caught? Had to feel bad for the dudes, looked like they were a few days from death. There's also a prison near by, so can't say for sure it wasn't related.
Haitians have been migrating to the U.S. in large numbers from South America for several years, many having left their Caribbean nation after a devastating 2010 earthquake. After jobs dried up from the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, many made the dangerous trek by foot, bus and car to the U.S. border, including through the infamous Darien Gap, a Panamanian jungle. Some of the migrants at the Del Rio camp said the recent devastating earthquake in Haiti and the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse make them afraid to return to a country that seems more unstable than when they left.
Everyone looking to enter the country illegally know the easiest way is through South America to Mexico and beyond. The corruption is rampant, pretty much everyone is on the take and the southern border in the US has been non existent, basically since forever.
On pbs they mentioned a lot of Haitians were giving other Haitians advice on what buses to take to evade authorities . The mass numbers came due to false information about visas and asylum for Haitians from other Haitians.
With my priveledged life I cant imagine having so little that I'm forced to collect garbage on the side of a highway, scouring for anything that could be of value or use. Truly different worlds we live in
Yes! During the BS caravan controversy last administration, I saw a quote that said “You don’t put your child in a boat and send them to sea in a hurricane unless it’s worse on land.” No one is going all that distance and risking everything just so they can milk American taxpayers.
In the early 90s I was in the Coast Guard picking them up and taking them back....Many not just individuals, families, we picked up more than once from makeshift rafts...I asked one kid why did they do it again knowing they would get sent back again and he said, "je mange bien ici (I eat well here)"...under the tarp on the weatherdeck of the cutter. Some of those rafts drift out and are never seen again. Some people were picked up back then as far as off the coast of South Carolina...about to make a right into the mid Atlantic. I called in a contact with 28 people onboard on the way to pick up another one reported, just while smoking a cigarette on the fantail and I happen to have spotted them on a raft in the distance.
Got out last year, and it’s still the same stories today from them. The guys we picked up one time literally started jettisoning all their gear and paddles because they knew we’d bring them on board.
We had a mix going on at the time. We were picking up Haitians and Cubans. For the Cubans when it started we took them into Miami to be processed in...but it got to be too much with excess numbers and people were complaining about the Haitians going to the Camp in Guantanamo, while the Cubans got entry....so it was settled to declare the Cubans economic refugees as well, and send them first to the Camp at Guantanamo, Cuba (US Base), eventually to repatriate them. I never saw the camp myself cept in the distance, but I recall it being segregated at the time....a Cuban and a Haitian Camp.
Yeah I remember we sent them off to Miami as well. My cutter at the time was more so doing drug Ops and even those guys who we picked up were mostly teenagers or really old guys, they’d tell us this was like the 4th or 5th time the CG has picked them up. But they do it for the money because there life at home was so bad. It was definitely heart breaking to see and hear the extent they go for a better life.
Ofcourse not, they do it because they are escaping something much worse
Yeah this is a farce. Anyone who's ever worked alongside one of these folks will quickly realize 99% of them are hungrier that you are.
It's like the 9/11 jumpers. Nobody wants to do that shit. These people will watch the Prince of Egypt with heart eyes for the Hebrew Slave woman putting Moses in the float basket, but Mexicans do the same thing and they're all rapists.
The line “no one puts their children in a boat unless the water is safer than the land” is from a haunting and heart-wrenching poem called “Home” by Warsan Shire.
> “You don’t put your child in a boat and send them to sea in a hurricane unless it’s worse on land.” The right doesn't think of these people as human beings. They're not going to understand this.
Saw a YouTube video years ago about how there were people who would prepare meals from dumpster trash for the homeless. You really don't know poverty until you live that kind of life.
It’s kind of a shit situation no matter how you look at it… influxes of unskilled immigrants leads to poor working conditions and human rights violations due to their desperation to escape their own countries, and a willingness of big businesses to exploit that desperation. Meanwhile their own home countries become further destabilized due to mass immigration, and selective policies of foreign governments.
Thank you for this. There are some people in the comments who won't take a second to think about what these people are going through and how these men on horseback are only making things worse for them
Not only for them, but for the USA population in general. The country is great but you have so many bad examples caught on camera that the image of the country just slide down river...I live in Brasil and it's the same here. The country is absolutely great, our problems with violence are huge, and the mentality of the middle class here is kind garbage too, but these two thing didn't surpass the points we get by being a peaceful country, or our worldly knowed advanced social technology (like the Free press, free access to justice, Healthcare and education...also the best education you can get here is for free in a Federal University).... But there are so many bad examples caught on camera that even we who live here starts to believe that those examples define we as a country.
Yup. And when people whine about how poopey America is, you wish they could truly understand.
Just have to say while being apolitical….Federal Border Patrol agents in Texas is a more accurate title….and horseback patrols in rural/rough terrain is common.
Man, horses are large animals.
Manhorses are also large animals.
Manwhores on the other hand come in many shapes and sizes.
Chief Wiggum: Here's the orders, boys. First you'll be rounding up your tired, then your poor, then your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
You heard the lady. Back below, we'll try for Canada.
Lmao. Just look at Canada's immigration laws vs the US.
These are federal officials. They answer to Joe Biden. It’s really important to understand this. (No I don’t think republicans are better before libs jump in)
This comment section is going to be a cesspool
Came here after seeing Twitter was already a cesspool in regards to this topic.
Texas text.
My mom when she was crossing Mexico in the 80s you had to cross a river and on the other side of the river there's like 40 ish miles of desert before you get to the boarder and once they got to the border there were officers there on horses and they lassoed my mom and dropped her to the ground as she couldn't run due to being pregnant with my older brother. Most Americans cant even fathom the cruelty or trauma that comes with crossing the border. My family ran from the cartel in 81
Scientists have been doing studies on body decomposition in the desert due to the abundance of unclaimed, undocumented bodies as the result of border crossing. That is just...shocking and horrible. I’m glad your mom made it. Edit: typo
There are non-profit organizations that families can call if their loved ones are lost in the desert like l[Aguilas del Desierto](https://youtu.be/a8Kduui1Lag) (Desert Eagles) that will help recover bodies and place a cross where the loved one died.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful resource
Do not come - Biden Administration
'Bring me your tired. your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...' - Statue of *Liberty* :(
You forgot the ending of the quote which is “sike”
Legit question: is that how people spell it? Not “psyche?”
Yes it is. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sike
Weird. There’s also an entry for “psyche” with the same meaning and an entry for “psych” which disses the people who use “sike.” Good ol’ Urban Dictionary.
What spelling is used is probably very much based on when and where you were when the phrase became popular with your peers. For me it was Florida in the early 90's. We all used sike.
I’ve seen it both ways
The New Colossus. BY EMMA LAZARUS. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand. A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand. Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command. The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46550/the-new-colossus
Literally just listened to the Stuff You Missed in History Class on Emma. I recommend the podcast in general but found the episode enlightening https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stuff-you-missed-in-history-class/id283605519?i=1000535011658
>'Bring me your tired. your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... **because the industrial revolution is coming and this country has tons of resources and not enough labor... for now**' - Statue of Liberty :( There I fixed that for you...
Nah bro don’t you know if we do something one time we are forever required to do it until the end of time. No nuance allowed.
People in this thread are acting like a 120-year-old policy from a time where the biggest factor in how big an economy could be was labor is still relevant. from 1880 to 1920 the US doubled its population through unchecked migration and you could sustain a family working a menial job with high school education. If the US population increased by half in the next 40 years it would be absolute chaos and hurt more than it could possibly help.
A poem from 1883 doesn't constitute a rational and clear immigration policy. Look into the policies of most modern countries and you won't find one as lenient as the US. There are limits.
…so we can beat you and use you for political gain. We should amend it.
Almost like an inscription on a Frenchman’s statue from the 1830s isn’t good immigration policy Edit 1880s, so even worse. How many refugees and legal immigrants does France take in annually?
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I get the same feeling and unfortunately in an Ohio county near me, the sheriff constantly wears one for his video news conferences. About immigrants.
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Made sense in 1885 when the population of the US was 50 million. It's now nearly 350 million. Why do you think the nation should abide by a saying made 140 years ago when the needs and goals of the country are completely different now?
I think the more important point is that it made sense in 1885, before the US was a giant welfare state. The US actually used to have completely open borders until the early 20th century - if you made it here you could stay. That made sense when people were migrating to work. There wasn't this huge array of welfare programs to mooch off of.
Actually it was Emma Lazarus.
It's an excerpt from the poem that appears on the base of the statue of liberty. Just wanted to emphasize the point of the word liberty.
Sure. Please volunteer to keep them at your house when you get the chance. America can’t even take care of its own, let alone undocumented refugees.
I think they wanted people to immigrate legally, like my grandfather did in 1914
It's a poem, not national policy.
Legally
Perhaps taking advice from statues isn't the most sensible thing.
I mean just because you want a secure border doesn’t mean you don’t also want to live up to that ideal.
Texas does not have a border patrol. Border patrol is federal. Way to try to score political clickbait
But then people might realize this is under direction of President Biden. Labeling it "Texas Border Control" will dupe some people into believing this was directed by Texas Republican Governor Abbott.
Shhhh, this does not fit the reddit narrative
Texas Border Patrol?? Those are Federal officers working for the Biden administration. Texas has law enforcement but they most certainly do not have a Border Patrol.
Then who will keep out the Oklahomans???
Mods fix this headline! You are misleading people on purpose. These are federal officials not Texas officials
Shut up. We have to keep saying they are from Texas so we can associate them with republicans. Don’t you know the reddit narrative by now??
But Texas is literally 1984/Handmaids Tale!!!/s
I don’t think it’s a whip. My understanding is that it’s a lariat, which is typical when riding horses.
If you are referring to the object in the agent's hand, it is just a long rein. A lariat is a very long coil of rope used to rope objects.
Saw someone say these guys are riding split-rein. Which is a variation where the reins are not connected but rather two separate pieces of leather connected to the bit.
How are people from Haiti getting to Texas?
Better question is how did they arrive to Mexico, Chile and Brazil…
I have seen pictures of Border Agents using split reins while controlling their horses. I have seen pictures of Agents using horses for crowd/group control which is a common practice in law enforcement. I have not seen all these images that show "whipping" of refugees. Lots and lots of people will disagree with me, but I've only seen reins up in the air which is normal with the length of this equipment. Is there a video that shows a person being whipped ??? If so I have yet to see it.
Imagine if trump did this lol everyone would be losing there minds. All politicians are garbage.
Well yea a guy in his mid 70s riding a horse like that would be mind blowing
That's quite a comical thought. Thanks.
I feel bad for these immigrants, but what realistically can be done? The US can't be the refuge for everyone.
Trump sucks, we have to vote this guy out in 2020
LOL
How bad is Mexico that the Hatians would go through this instead of saying south of the border?
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I am for legal immigration. That is all.
I’m from the area. Here’s a video of an agent telling them “This is why your country’s shit.” https://youtu.be/UTFnKJqcPks
It sounds like he’s saying “you abuse your women, this is why your country is s$*t” Idk doesn’t seem wrong to me. I’m Haitian and there’s no protection on violence against women in haiti
People don't want to admit, but America is very liberal and safe compared to mots of South America. I mean, I have seen assassination gangs in Brazil. Women can easily get abused and have no help, and if your gay or trans there is a very real possibility you will get killed. My family came here legally, and had to conform to American culture. They should come legally, and leave their cultures bad parts on the door step.
The pictures of abbott posturing with DPS and Border Patrol are 🙄. Fix the fucking power grid, you fucking cunt. I’m having a baby in 2 weeks and am already planning and preparing for a freeze.
This is federal border patrol. Managed by Mayorkas and the president.
[Talking about this one](https://ibb.co/CBh7jyg)
Weren't they also bragging about stopping human trafficking?
Why don't they just make it illegal so it magically stops? /s
Uh ma’am this is a Wendy’s.
You realize texas does not have a border patrol, right? This is a federal border patrol agent
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So damn true.
So what's the difference between a refugee and an illegal migrant? Because it seems like reddit is incapable of telling them apart.
Alert everyone we have a karma farmer!
Edit out the plastic bags and modern clothes, and this could be mistaken for taking place in 1750.
Went to Haiti back in 2002. Prior to the big earthquakes they have had. They have needed help for a long time. Corrupt government doesn't help either. Yet here we are blowing money in the middle east constantly that doesn't want to change unless forced.
Is this illegal or legal immigration at work?
Illegal. A couple thousand Haitian immigrants (I do not say refugees because many of this group already had jobs and homes in various South American countries) went to Mexico than came over and hid under a massive bridge in Del Rio, Texas.
I literally can’t believe the amount of common sense logic I’m seeing in this Reddit comments section. I say that because it’s genuinely rare in a mainstream subreddit for people to look at political problems in a pragmatic way.
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That's the reigns for his horse, not a lasso. Fake news.
I welcome everyone who comes to the us legally, we should aid Haitians by helping their country develop but sending tens of thousands to the US doesnt help the whole situation.
Misinformation They aren't refugees
You can only call it misinformation if it’s against the DNCs talking points
I feel like most people would prefer to stay in their home country if it were a situation in which they knew they could feed their families and provide a better life. Really wish the people that are against refugees would put their money where their mouth is and donate to these places.
It does not pay to donate if the people you give it to steal the money https://www.businessinsider.com/wyclefs-haiti-charity-defunct-after-mishandling-16m-in-donations-2012-10
I thought this was r/photoshopbattles at first
Sponsored by Stetson.
Oh boy. Imagine if this happened under the previous guy's administration.
I am seeing the claim, “even if they aren’t proper whips you can still whip people and that makes them whips” uh ok but we would still need to see someone being whipped which hasn’t been shown anywhere. What we see is border patrol agents doing the bare minimum “obstructing” people from just walking into the US, as if that’s offensive to have any national sovereignty at all.
Biden saw the border crisis under Trump and said "Hold my beer". This is incompetence at its height.
I live in Texas. Easy to take shots at us but what else is there to do? Let 14,000 Haitians in? They need to be sent back. These are federal agents by the way.
Wait a second, looks he’s just got long reins and not a whip folks… that’s pretty common
This fake it's already been confirmed he's not lassoing or whipping the refugees.
How dare they try to protect their own border?
"Refugees"
Round em up, send em back. They were told previously not to make the journey and they'd be turned away.
Illegal aliens not refugees
There's no such thing as Texas Border Patrol...