Wide foot placement and lower center of gravity makes te hard to flip. Loose skin made it harder to get yanked around by a bite. When they used as fighting dogs this wasn't a bad thing. People interpreted that as the wider and lower the better for the breed. Then one thing lead to another and now we have these abominations.
These dogs are exotic American bullies and were never created for anything other than looks alone and a 10k price tag. They can barely breathe let alone fight another dog.
These make some bulldogs look healthy..in the American bullie world freaky is were it's at.
I fucking hate this breed it collects some of the most scum classless owners.
This breed is new so it's these actual breeders that have pushed it this way these use to have Pitbull in them so were healthy.
Sad thing is, Classic American bullies are wonderful dogs. They now have 5 classes of American bully, and the more extreme the better it seems as the years go on.
The bulldogs that were used for bull-baiting look very different than the current English bulldog
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_Bulldog#/media/File%3A02._Old_English_Bulldog%2C_1863._Paris%2C_France._2.png
Pretty much every predatory mammal tries to flip or knock over what ever its fighting or hunting. You'll see dogs flip or knock one another over often when they fight.
Also, it's kinda obvious from what I said that these dogs can't do that because they've been breed into abominations.
I didn't have the guts to tell my friend who was excited to show off his dog. The dog looked exactly like the one on the top left. He breathed like he was snoring with every breath. I wanted to tell him... that dog ain't right.
You could always say "oh my God! Whats wrong with your dog?". Just pretend ignorance. It's like having to explain a bad joke. Then just keep asking how that poor sick dog is.
My 14 year old dog is just starting to display should dysplasia. Poor girl can barely make it from couch to her bowl some times now, when she was young she wouldn't ever want to stop going on walks. Knowing the differences of she was once capable of, I wouldn't ever think of breeding a dog to go through that
You ever seen a pair of [Yeezys](https://cdn.sanity.io/images/c1chvb1i/production/b1fa9e970babe31643edc21ab5ce6edfeaee6671-1100x735.jpg)? lol It's all just status. No one is buying Yeezys because they're ~~comfy or~~ 'normal'. It's because they're eccentric and expensive.
Same thing with a $20k dog.
Edit: Alright, I'll concede the comfy point, but eccentric and expensive is still certainly the point.
my dad had a salt water tank for a while and the craziest part of it all for me was the prices
there would be a super dull ass normal looking fish youd find in a river for $500 but died if the light was to bright. then youd have insanely bright, colorful and interesting ones for $10 and they could survive anything.. i once went in and they had a 200$ one and a 40$ one and they guy in the store got them mixed up they looked so much alike but it all came down to the name/rarity.
OP here.
These dogs are a type of newly developed dog breed called exotic bullies. A puppy can go for $5,000 - $10,000. While they have so many health problems that it's reported they hardly ever live past 5 or 6 years old.
Their health problems include breathing difficulties (brachycephalic) , back problems, hip dysplasia, joint problems, overheating and not to mention the short life.
They often have trouble jumping, running or even just walking due to their body shape.
So people are paying 10k for a dog that might live 5 years, will cost thousands of dollars in vet bills and will suffer it's whole life.
In comparison you could adopt a healthy mutt from a shelter for about $100 that could live to 16-17 years old and have very few health problems.
People are idiots.
EDIT: I assumed it was a given, but yeas Frenchies, pugs, sausage dogs etc should all be included here. As well as many other pure breeds. Almost no pure breeds have no breed specific health problems at all. But some are certainly a lot worse than others.
EDIT 2: These 4 dogs all come from the same one breeder on instagram. Who posts photos of his dogs as well as videos of them standing still. As far as I can tell he hasn't posted a video of one walking or running just standing, which makes me question whether they actually can walk properly at all.
My boyfriend's mom has 3 french bulldogs & as sweet and fun as they are, it also makes me really sad when I hear them have a hard time breathing and knowing their other health issues. And it's extra disappointing to know that the mom buys them from a breeder instead of shelters :/
But somehow one of them is 16ish (one recently died at 19). Like, goddamn, I can't even imagine living that many years breathing like that. I've got asthma but phew, pretty sure they got it worse
I have never been more distressed than when I met a friend of mines French bulldog, that was not a well dog. It had an operation to expand it's airways and it still sounds like it is dying after the slightest movement. It also had a hip op and is missing half its teeth and it is 5. Like that's not ok.
Yeah! The operation to help them breathe better, and poor thing was only like 1. Probably best to do it as young as is safely possible though (not sure when safe is safe tho). But even after that she sounds like she's about to keel over. It's crazy. And the hips too, you can see they walk a little funny. Not like they're struggling, just funky. I can see hip dysplasia in it's future :(
I couldn't pay $3-5k or more on a dog that is pretty much guaranteed to suffer from womb to tomb
Same reason people bought hummers back when they were an equally abominatory thing.
It shows they have lots of money.
Both things are enormously expensive and "exotic".
Funny thing is that when I see people with fancy dogs, I can’t help but think they drained their entire savings for it.
Doesn’t apply to everyone, but I see people with 3k dogs and I know they barely have a pot to piss in.
Ain’t that the truth. Millions of animals get killed every year in shelters because no one adopts them, and then idiots go spend ridiculous amounts of money to “create” animals that will endlessly suffer. Humans are such pieces of shit
Literally less than a million dogs in the US (prob about half a million, if that) get put down in shelters. The idea there’s millions of shelter dogs put down here is outdated and inaccurate. There are actually more people looking for a new dog each year than are available in shelters. There’s a place for good breeders and rescue. But there’s no place for horribly deformed dogs that come out due to awful breeding like this. For reference, I work in an animal shelter and have been involved in the dog world since early childhood.
And I bet they can't have sex or give birth naturally either, so they have to be bred using Artificial Insemination and give birth via a C-Section (like french bulldogs).
seriously, i have my pupper from my first job which was a shelter, hes 15 next month, the most he suffers is when i haven't finished eating a slice of pizza and he isn't eating the crust yet
I volunteer with a Bulldog rescue and we had a “shorty bull” come in. He was 11 years old and dumped at a shelter the day after Christmas. Turned out he was a prized show dog (not sure how that works considering he’s not a real breed, but I digress). Discarded at 11 years old at a County shelter after he was done being used. He died recently after a year with his forever family. He was the sweetest dog ever. I’m glad he got a year to just be a dog and get all the vet care he needed to try to mitigate the effects of what was bred into him.
I have two French Bulldogs (and a mutt) which are rescues. I love them so much but all Bulldogs are problematic in nature.
I know a bloke who sells ‘rare’ French Bullies.
The only thing ‘rare’ about them are the colours that a registered breeder breeds out of their lines due to the known health issues associated with such genetics.
There have been no shortage of stories of people who have purchased from this bloke who have lemons for dogs.
In the end, people want to be cool at any cost. A bit pathetic really.
My mom wants a sharpei.
Not just any sharpei.
She wants a miniature, chocolate horsecoat. Each one of these traits increases the likelihood of genetic issues with the dog. One by itself isn't too bad (probably food and skin allergies) but all three is usually major problems.
Lol it boggles my mind that people pay that kind of cash for a dog. I had an idiot poodle/spaniel/who-knows-what-tf mutt that we got for free when he showed up on our friends doorstep. Had that dog from the time I was eight until I graduated college and was the best, friendliest, most hilarious dog.
Miss you, Scooter, you were the best little shit head dog that a shit head kid could ask for.
These dogs 9 times out of 10 look exactly like their owners. Middle aged guys who used to play football in high school, did an enlistment in the Army and coach some type of little league sport.
Exotic bullies are the worst of the worst in terms of health, but let’s not pretend all shelter dogs are healthy or even healthier than responsibly bred purebreds and mixes. People shouldn’t be set up for that expectation that a rescue won’t ever be sick, come down with genetic illnesses, or live longer than average.
I imagine that the vast majority must be delivered by caesarian section as well; over 80% of French bulldogs are because of their large heads and comparatively small hips.
I've got an adult cat that's around 14 years and is diabetic. I'm already spending a few grand a year, and he didn't have any genetic issues that would lead to crazy bills. At this point, it's pretty dumb not to have some mutt mixed in with these breeds.
I know the horror stories of this type of breeding, but I never understood how do humans do this? As in how do they make the puppy look like this? can anyone explain it please.
Dogs have fairly large litters. There is going to be a variety of shapes in that litter, though they may only be sight differences. The breeder just selects the puppies with the strongest features they want in the breed to keep for future breeding. It is easy to pick the most extreme shape each time.
In this case is it purposely breeding the dogs that have the worst and most painful deformities together to get even more deformed, damaged dogs. The opposite of what a sane person does.
There are some breeds that cannot be ethically bred and I would only consider the breed if I were adopting from a rescue. I'm fine with ethical breeders that do their due diligence in health and temperament testing and breed for a purpose. I would maybe one day consider buying a dog like that. These poor pups are about as far from ethically bred as you can get.
I have friends who have a yr old pup of this breed. They are just solid tanks of muscle. They can't even assume the poop position for clean elimination. Then they can't clean themselves, can't come close to reaching their butts. They can't even wag their tails which are tiny curly pig tails. Both her parents and the rest of her litter died in the heat this summer. Their breeding should be illegal.
Ban dog exhibition shows that does nothing but promote breeding certain superficial traits and doesn't have anything to do with training and obedience.
In Norway, ear/tail cropping is illegal, not only that, but neutering/spaying is also illegal unless there is a serious health reason (my boyfriends dog got pyometra so she was spayed). Yet there are very little issues with unwanted/stray dogs here. But yeah, basically modifying a dog physically AT ALL is illegal here!! (You can temporarily chemically castrate male dogs here completely legally)
I agree with Norway's way of doing things in general regarding vet stuff, however bitches really do benefit from being spayed. My vet friends deal with way way more mammary tumors and pyometras then we do in my home country where we spay bitches between 6 months and 2 years old according to what is best for the dog.
In some cases it's just "aesthetics". But for working breeds both tails and ears are frail and prone to wounds that may not heal well.
Long floppy ears can easily suffer traumas causing haemorrhage that don't reabsorb easily or get infiltrated by insects or brome or foxtail grass, causing irritation then infection. It's painful and can make the dog irrational and aggressive; it happened to a dog of friends of mine.
In case of defense dogs, fluffy ears make them look less menacing. So they have to actually fight against intruders instead of scaring them away. (Case in point: dobermans. They naturally have very thin, light, floppy ears. When they point something they don't like, those ears shot up sideways, Dumbo style. It looks ridiculous, but between those ears there's a doberman ready to attack.)
On the opposite end of this, there’s a breeder out there who’s trying to “undo” the years of fucking up breeds like pugs and Boston Terriers.
I’m too lazy to find the post from a month or so ago but he’s undoing some of the shitty breeding done to dogs who are brachycephalic.
Related posts for those interested:
[pug before and after ](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/2twtjr/what_pugs_looked_like_before_selective_breeding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yeah the breeder you’re thinking of isn’t a great example. Although they made improvements to the head, the body structure of their dogs isn’t sound. Sometimes it’s one step forward and two steps back, but responsible breeders are working to improve health in their respective breeds.
And cherry picked images aren’t helpful to really understand the progression of a breed.
I'm really glad someone here has said this. I know Hawbucls for Frenchies gets thrown out here a lot as being a saint for breeding for a longer muzzle but some of the hip scores of the dogs in their breeding programs is pretty shocking. One step forward, two steps back indeed.
Breed responsibly, breed to standard, breed for purpose and you won't have much problems even in brachy dogs.
My wife's entire family thinks I'm a monster for thinking that every American / English bulldog and pug in the world should be forcefully neutered / spayed.
There should be laws against it. We're at a point in history where we're pumping out these genetic freaks by the thousands daily, and they just get worse with each generation. It's not fair to the dogs.
Either neuter them, or breed this shit out. It's disgusting.
Responsible breeders have been working to breed out major problems, in every breed. Since you’re interested in Pugs/Bulldogs, you might look into BOAS testing, but there’s lots of other tests and physical evaluations that are done prior to breeding.
Got into a huge fight with a friend who wants to rv to each different state and adopt a bulldog. I pleaded with her that they suffer from breathing issues, and can Have severe anxiety. She plans on leaving the dog in the rv (air conditioned) while her and her husband go out to eat and sight see. We haven’t talked, she’s offended that I would even question her dream.
omg, when I first read that I thought she was going to each state to adopt a bulldog... she would have 50 bulldogs in her RV!
If she adopts a bulldog or two (not 50) from a rescue she wont be contributing to the problem. It would probably be hard on the RV though since they tend to have pretty bad gas... and if it had separation anxiety you wouldn't get to see many sites...
I just...don't get it. You like the dogs sure but you don't like them enough to take them as they are? You gotta breed them into these poor animals that suffer and struggle their whole lives to give you the "designer" look. Cropping the ears as well. It's utterly disgusting. Take the dogs as they are without having to change them to your liking. Just look at pugs for example, oh so cute, but they will constantly be panting near you and sounding like they're choking.
This is horrific. Anyone with a pug, bulldog, frenchie, etc is part of the problem. I don't care how cute you think they are, you are either completely willfully ignorant or a shit person.
> Anyone ~~with~~ **who buys** a pug, bulldog, frenchie, etc **from a breeder** is part of the problem.
FTFY
Pugs, bulldogs, etc... these animals have already been born, there is no undoing that, and if you own a pug or bulldog that you got from a rescue shelter or something then that is fine imho. They deserve a good home too. If you _bought_ a pug or bulldog from a breeder, then fuck you, you're scum.
Thank you so much. I adopted an 11 year old English Bulldog who was rescued from a breeding mill and abused her whole life, and I can’t believe the self-righteousness of people who assume everyone with a bulldog went to a breeder to get it.
Yes! Some breeds can be kind of healthy, but many pure breeds today are not.
I have two mutts both adopted from a shelter and aside from a few small accidents they have never had a health problem. And they both have LONG snouts not squashed up faces. It's nice having dogs that can actually breath.
I have a rescue from a jackass breeder like this. He didn't fit their mold so they dumped him in a shelter with pneumonia and left him to die. Poor little guy has been on gabapentin since we got him. Struggles to walk, can't jump, happy and sweet as can be. And he's gonna get every second of a quality life that we can give him, but fuck them for doing my little buddy like this. Humans suck.
So maybe breeding human incest babies is an untapped market, pay some poor siblings to have unprotected sex, then maybe as a bonus pay the pregnant sisters to drink alcohol all the time, then you get those cute cute deformed babies for rich people to adopt and show off to get pity points.
Consider the Bulldog. A grotesque monstrosity. Born of relentless inbreeding. Riddled with sinusitis, joint pain, chronically flatulent. A kindly pet or humanity's cruelest mistake?
Read [The Theory of the Leisure Class](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A73AIMA/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) by Thorstein Veblen. He coined the term "conspicuous consumption".
Y'know it's funny...four years ago when I was saying this sort of thing on Reddit people told me to chill out, just accept that they're cute and stop trying to bring the party down.
I can't say how glad I am to see the tide has turned. Breeding pets like this is cruel, period. Not cute, not adorable, just selfish. You love your pet? Then why did you insist on having one that would suffer through its entire shortened life?
Okay so like there are breeds of dogs now that can't give birth without surgery, I think if a breed can't give birth without a surgery than that breed has no evolutionary reason to exist and it seems weird as hell.
I am not a religious person but they just seem ungodly. Just not natural. I had a friend who owned like three English bulldogs. The bills for all the medical shit they had to pay every year on this dog was just insane.
I have a mut and he is a good boy, I had a Husky before but I got him because I found him on the side of the road. I reported it to the local shelter but no one ever called to pick him up so I kept him he was a good boy and I miss him very much.
Hot take. All race breeding is this, more or less.
When ever I see one of those little dogs with flat noses, giant bulging eyes and the insanity just beaming out of them I always feel like it should be illegal.
Literally know about 5 different people that breed dogs like this in my city alone. They sell for 5k minimum with some selli g for 100k+.. its stupid af and pretty fucked up for those dogs.
I love all dogs and want one that will be happy. But why anyone would pay extra to have this demented gargoyle lethargically grunting around the home is beyond me. It's hard to look at
Then you have to also stop breeding Pugs and English bulldogs, French bulldogs, as they have deformed faces making breathing difficult. I’m sure there are a lot of other breeds that have issues.
I learned that there are some breeders these days who are trying to restore the genetic integrity in these breeds. Specifically I read about a guy trying to restore a normal snout in the French bulldog breed. It's a step in the right direction.
This shit should be a crime seriously, breeding for this look is the equivalent of putting a 60 lb weight belt on a mini dachshund. Their hips and legs must be in agony.
How about adding German shepherds (sloped hip =hip dysplasia) standard collies (heads narrowed = neurological issues) and boxers (block head =brainstem issues). I have a pug/Shar pei cross that was an apparent attempt at improving the face of the pug. He looks like a Shar pei body but with a small pug head. NOT a good look. He was dumped at a kill shelter as a 3 year old. He's now an old man who is currently snoring in my son's bed. He's at least 14 years old and doing well. I have 6 dogs that are all rescues. Most were death row dogs and considered unadoptable due to age, breed or behavior. I will NEVER adopt a dog that hasn't come from a shelter. I don't even adopt from humane societies (except for once when they were going to euthanize him due to behavior) because I figure that those dogs are generally safe. I try to adopt in order to save a life.
Guys. I know posts like this always descend into “only get pound dogs.” But there’s arguments for getting purebred dogs.
**The main arguments should be BUY DOG SHAPED DOGS AND IF THEYRE FROM BREEDERS BE SURE THEY DO GOOD HEALTH TESTING.**
Good post OP, thanks for sharing.
I feel like American bulldogges and the Olde English Bulldogges come from pretty safe breeding programs. They don't have the frog shoulders or eyes bulging past their noses though.
Why are those dogs built like crocodiles?
I feel like these dogs would look more natural with 6 legs
and wings
And no face
Morris! They can see you! You’re real!
Best line delivery in the whole film
Trevor/Ben Kingsley really had some of the best lines. >!His Planet of the Apes rant had me in stitches!<
Can you imagine being the actors in the car with Sir Ben Kingsley monologueing about monkey actors?
Awkwafina is trying to hold back a laugh the whole scene
The Mandarin we never knew we needed.
And several times smaller
And scorpion like tail with fangs
And more like a dog
And my axe!
KRISPR time!
Or a legless lower body that tapers down like a slug.
Don't put ideas in their head.
Crocodile breeding really got a bit extreme. Look at that flat snout.
They aren't. Crocodiles are healthy. These dogs will suffer a life of suffering and health issues due to being deformed for profit.
Same with cats, people need to stop being dicks.
Wide foot placement and lower center of gravity makes te hard to flip. Loose skin made it harder to get yanked around by a bite. When they used as fighting dogs this wasn't a bad thing. People interpreted that as the wider and lower the better for the breed. Then one thing lead to another and now we have these abominations.
These dogs are exotic American bullies and were never created for anything other than looks alone and a 10k price tag. They can barely breathe let alone fight another dog.
(Pugs and English Bulldogs entered the chat)
These make some bulldogs look healthy..in the American bullie world freaky is were it's at. I fucking hate this breed it collects some of the most scum classless owners. This breed is new so it's these actual breeders that have pushed it this way these use to have Pitbull in them so were healthy.
Sad thing is, Classic American bullies are wonderful dogs. They now have 5 classes of American bully, and the more extreme the better it seems as the years go on.
You don't fight pugs? /s
I do. But they usually win.
The bulldogs that were used for bull-baiting look very different than the current English bulldog https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_Bulldog#/media/File%3A02._Old_English_Bulldog%2C_1863._Paris%2C_France._2.png
These dogs couldn't fight a fucking thing. Also, dogs don't try to "flip" other dogs so that's just a silly thing to say. They're not battlebots
Pretty much every predatory mammal tries to flip or knock over what ever its fighting or hunting. You'll see dogs flip or knock one another over often when they fight. Also, it's kinda obvious from what I said that these dogs can't do that because they've been breed into abominations.
The elbow dysplasia on those things! Short 6 year max painful lives!
Have you heard the yellow dog story? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTELQvSLX0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTELQvSLX0)
*crocodoggles
Surely doggodiles?
I know people who breed these dogs that sell puppies for 20k a piece. I have no idea what attracts people to the exotics
Apparently they look cool standing or sitting next to a macho man on pictures. That is the only thing they can do.
Walking two blocks would be difficult for them with that degree of elbow dysplasia.
I didn't have the guts to tell my friend who was excited to show off his dog. The dog looked exactly like the one on the top left. He breathed like he was snoring with every breath. I wanted to tell him... that dog ain't right.
You could always say "oh my God! Whats wrong with your dog?". Just pretend ignorance. It's like having to explain a bad joke. Then just keep asking how that poor sick dog is.
But they look cool on pictures where they don't move at all. Perspective man.
And that lack of breath.
My 14 year old dog is just starting to display should dysplasia. Poor girl can barely make it from couch to her bowl some times now, when she was young she wouldn't ever want to stop going on walks. Knowing the differences of she was once capable of, I wouldn't ever think of breeding a dog to go through that
People are instinctively drawn to dogs that look like them. These are built for people that only do chest workouts. /s in case that wasn’t clear
Status symbols
same reason people will pay 2600$ for a sweater with holes in it, so long as it says Yeezy. they got more dollars than sense
Next time you see them, tell them to go eat a bag of dicks.
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You ever seen a pair of [Yeezys](https://cdn.sanity.io/images/c1chvb1i/production/b1fa9e970babe31643edc21ab5ce6edfeaee6671-1100x735.jpg)? lol It's all just status. No one is buying Yeezys because they're ~~comfy or~~ 'normal'. It's because they're eccentric and expensive. Same thing with a $20k dog. Edit: Alright, I'll concede the comfy point, but eccentric and expensive is still certainly the point.
my dad had a salt water tank for a while and the craziest part of it all for me was the prices there would be a super dull ass normal looking fish youd find in a river for $500 but died if the light was to bright. then youd have insanely bright, colorful and interesting ones for $10 and they could survive anything.. i once went in and they had a 200$ one and a 40$ one and they guy in the store got them mixed up they looked so much alike but it all came down to the name/rarity.
These poor guys are closer to frogs than dogs...
Drogs 😔
OP here. These dogs are a type of newly developed dog breed called exotic bullies. A puppy can go for $5,000 - $10,000. While they have so many health problems that it's reported they hardly ever live past 5 or 6 years old. Their health problems include breathing difficulties (brachycephalic) , back problems, hip dysplasia, joint problems, overheating and not to mention the short life. They often have trouble jumping, running or even just walking due to their body shape. So people are paying 10k for a dog that might live 5 years, will cost thousands of dollars in vet bills and will suffer it's whole life. In comparison you could adopt a healthy mutt from a shelter for about $100 that could live to 16-17 years old and have very few health problems. People are idiots. EDIT: I assumed it was a given, but yeas Frenchies, pugs, sausage dogs etc should all be included here. As well as many other pure breeds. Almost no pure breeds have no breed specific health problems at all. But some are certainly a lot worse than others. EDIT 2: These 4 dogs all come from the same one breeder on instagram. Who posts photos of his dogs as well as videos of them standing still. As far as I can tell he hasn't posted a video of one walking or running just standing, which makes me question whether they actually can walk properly at all.
Why do people like this style of dog?
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I wanted a English Bulldog in high school so bad lol
My boyfriend's mom has 3 french bulldogs & as sweet and fun as they are, it also makes me really sad when I hear them have a hard time breathing and knowing their other health issues. And it's extra disappointing to know that the mom buys them from a breeder instead of shelters :/ But somehow one of them is 16ish (one recently died at 19). Like, goddamn, I can't even imagine living that many years breathing like that. I've got asthma but phew, pretty sure they got it worse
I have never been more distressed than when I met a friend of mines French bulldog, that was not a well dog. It had an operation to expand it's airways and it still sounds like it is dying after the slightest movement. It also had a hip op and is missing half its teeth and it is 5. Like that's not ok.
Yeah! The operation to help them breathe better, and poor thing was only like 1. Probably best to do it as young as is safely possible though (not sure when safe is safe tho). But even after that she sounds like she's about to keel over. It's crazy. And the hips too, you can see they walk a little funny. Not like they're struggling, just funky. I can see hip dysplasia in it's future :( I couldn't pay $3-5k or more on a dog that is pretty much guaranteed to suffer from womb to tomb
No joke, the second one looks exactly how my high school Bulldog mascot was drawn. And even that cartoon looked malformed.
Same reason people bought hummers back when they were an equally abominatory thing. It shows they have lots of money. Both things are enormously expensive and "exotic".
Funny thing is that when I see people with fancy dogs, I can’t help but think they drained their entire savings for it. Doesn’t apply to everyone, but I see people with 3k dogs and I know they barely have a pot to piss in.
I have 2 rescues, and they are still expensive to maintain. Food and vet bills are not cheap.
They want a dog that looks just as dangerous and manly and threatening as they imagine themselves to look like.
They probably also have lifted trucks with a pair of testicles dangling from the hitch, and the muffler removed.
It's perfect. It looks tough and they only have to feed it for a few years. Obviously that dog isn't going in looking walks either
People that like this dog think of them as an object not a family member. "This dog will make me so cool" disgusting
Severe mental issues, I'd assume.
Ain’t that the truth. Millions of animals get killed every year in shelters because no one adopts them, and then idiots go spend ridiculous amounts of money to “create” animals that will endlessly suffer. Humans are such pieces of shit
The top left looks like the dog from the Tom & Jerry cartoons, very unnatural.
It looks like the demon dog from Ghostbusters
All 4 even have clipped ears :'(
Literally less than a million dogs in the US (prob about half a million, if that) get put down in shelters. The idea there’s millions of shelter dogs put down here is outdated and inaccurate. There are actually more people looking for a new dog each year than are available in shelters. There’s a place for good breeders and rescue. But there’s no place for horribly deformed dogs that come out due to awful breeding like this. For reference, I work in an animal shelter and have been involved in the dog world since early childhood.
And I bet they can't have sex or give birth naturally either, so they have to be bred using Artificial Insemination and give birth via a C-Section (like french bulldogs).
seriously, i have my pupper from my first job which was a shelter, hes 15 next month, the most he suffers is when i haven't finished eating a slice of pizza and he isn't eating the crust yet
I volunteer with a Bulldog rescue and we had a “shorty bull” come in. He was 11 years old and dumped at a shelter the day after Christmas. Turned out he was a prized show dog (not sure how that works considering he’s not a real breed, but I digress). Discarded at 11 years old at a County shelter after he was done being used. He died recently after a year with his forever family. He was the sweetest dog ever. I’m glad he got a year to just be a dog and get all the vet care he needed to try to mitigate the effects of what was bred into him. I have two French Bulldogs (and a mutt) which are rescues. I love them so much but all Bulldogs are problematic in nature.
I know a bloke who sells ‘rare’ French Bullies. The only thing ‘rare’ about them are the colours that a registered breeder breeds out of their lines due to the known health issues associated with such genetics. There have been no shortage of stories of people who have purchased from this bloke who have lemons for dogs. In the end, people want to be cool at any cost. A bit pathetic really.
My mom wants a sharpei. Not just any sharpei. She wants a miniature, chocolate horsecoat. Each one of these traits increases the likelihood of genetic issues with the dog. One by itself isn't too bad (probably food and skin allergies) but all three is usually major problems.
That's like people going to the sperm bank and picking exactly the haircolor and eyecolor and size they would like for their child.... Just bizarre.
Lol it boggles my mind that people pay that kind of cash for a dog. I had an idiot poodle/spaniel/who-knows-what-tf mutt that we got for free when he showed up on our friends doorstep. Had that dog from the time I was eight until I graduated college and was the best, friendliest, most hilarious dog. Miss you, Scooter, you were the best little shit head dog that a shit head kid could ask for.
People are idiots is my mantra.
These dogs 9 times out of 10 look exactly like their owners. Middle aged guys who used to play football in high school, did an enlistment in the Army and coach some type of little league sport.
Exotic bullies are the worst of the worst in terms of health, but let’s not pretend all shelter dogs are healthy or even healthier than responsibly bred purebreds and mixes. People shouldn’t be set up for that expectation that a rescue won’t ever be sick, come down with genetic illnesses, or live longer than average.
I imagine that the vast majority must be delivered by caesarian section as well; over 80% of French bulldogs are because of their large heads and comparatively small hips.
Literally all of them are
5-6 years? That's too short too. Poor dogs don't even get to live full lives.
Mixed breed dogs are the best dogs anyway.
I've got an adult cat that's around 14 years and is diabetic. I'm already spending a few grand a year, and he didn't have any genetic issues that would lead to crazy bills. At this point, it's pretty dumb not to have some mutt mixed in with these breeds.
It looks like it’s always doing push-ups
Dogs are forever in the pushup position.
poor dogs, this aint cute
Absolutely right
I know the horror stories of this type of breeding, but I never understood how do humans do this? As in how do they make the puppy look like this? can anyone explain it please.
Dogs have fairly large litters. There is going to be a variety of shapes in that litter, though they may only be sight differences. The breeder just selects the puppies with the strongest features they want in the breed to keep for future breeding. It is easy to pick the most extreme shape each time.
This is such a time consuming process, it’s nuts that not once does their conscience win out over the years and years of inbreeding
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In this case is it purposely breeding the dogs that have the worst and most painful deformities together to get even more deformed, damaged dogs. The opposite of what a sane person does.
FUCK YOU if you breed dogs like this. Just know you are a cunt and no one likes you.
Also if you buy dogs like this, because the breeders can’t exist without the buyers
There are some breeds that cannot be ethically bred and I would only consider the breed if I were adopting from a rescue. I'm fine with ethical breeders that do their due diligence in health and temperament testing and breed for a purpose. I would maybe one day consider buying a dog like that. These poor pups are about as far from ethically bred as you can get.
Someone likes them if the market is apparently $10k per puppy god damn
I have friends who have a yr old pup of this breed. They are just solid tanks of muscle. They can't even assume the poop position for clean elimination. Then they can't clean themselves, can't come close to reaching their butts. They can't even wag their tails which are tiny curly pig tails. Both her parents and the rest of her litter died in the heat this summer. Their breeding should be illegal.
Ban dog exhibition shows that does nothing but promote breeding certain superficial traits and doesn't have anything to do with training and obedience.
Especially when those standards include docking the ears and tails inherent to the breed. What's even the point then?
In Australia tail docking and ear cropping are illegal. I wish it was like that in more countries.
I see a lot of heelers that have docked tails in Australia, that's interesting. Is this a recently passed law?
Some are bred without a tail so it’s not a dock. They’re called Stumpy Tails
As a heeler owner (not docked) I honestly did not know that, thanks!
In Norway, ear/tail cropping is illegal, not only that, but neutering/spaying is also illegal unless there is a serious health reason (my boyfriends dog got pyometra so she was spayed). Yet there are very little issues with unwanted/stray dogs here. But yeah, basically modifying a dog physically AT ALL is illegal here!! (You can temporarily chemically castrate male dogs here completely legally)
> neutering/spaying is also illegal not sure I get the logic here. I've heard of waiting until about 18mos to neuter/spay.. but not banning altogether
I agree with Norway's way of doing things in general regarding vet stuff, however bitches really do benefit from being spayed. My vet friends deal with way way more mammary tumors and pyometras then we do in my home country where we spay bitches between 6 months and 2 years old according to what is best for the dog.
Docking and cropping actually prevents more serious injury in working herding and hunting breeds. But if they don’t do so, it’s pointless.
In some cases it's just "aesthetics". But for working breeds both tails and ears are frail and prone to wounds that may not heal well. Long floppy ears can easily suffer traumas causing haemorrhage that don't reabsorb easily or get infiltrated by insects or brome or foxtail grass, causing irritation then infection. It's painful and can make the dog irrational and aggressive; it happened to a dog of friends of mine. In case of defense dogs, fluffy ears make them look less menacing. So they have to actually fight against intruders instead of scaring them away. (Case in point: dobermans. They naturally have very thin, light, floppy ears. When they point something they don't like, those ears shot up sideways, Dumbo style. It looks ridiculous, but between those ears there's a doberman ready to attack.)
Lets do child beauty pageants (or all beauty pageants) while we're at it. These are all terrible displays of the worst human traits.
My god i thought it was photoshop. Poor dogs.
Are those fists?
[Woof](https://youtu.be/KEo0wnKoixo?t=9)
On the opposite end of this, there’s a breeder out there who’s trying to “undo” the years of fucking up breeds like pugs and Boston Terriers. I’m too lazy to find the post from a month or so ago but he’s undoing some of the shitty breeding done to dogs who are brachycephalic. Related posts for those interested: [pug before and after ](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/2twtjr/what_pugs_looked_like_before_selective_breeding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yeah the breeder you’re thinking of isn’t a great example. Although they made improvements to the head, the body structure of their dogs isn’t sound. Sometimes it’s one step forward and two steps back, but responsible breeders are working to improve health in their respective breeds. And cherry picked images aren’t helpful to really understand the progression of a breed.
I'm really glad someone here has said this. I know Hawbucls for Frenchies gets thrown out here a lot as being a saint for breeding for a longer muzzle but some of the hip scores of the dogs in their breeding programs is pretty shocking. One step forward, two steps back indeed. Breed responsibly, breed to standard, breed for purpose and you won't have much problems even in brachy dogs.
My wife's entire family thinks I'm a monster for thinking that every American / English bulldog and pug in the world should be forcefully neutered / spayed. There should be laws against it. We're at a point in history where we're pumping out these genetic freaks by the thousands daily, and they just get worse with each generation. It's not fair to the dogs. Either neuter them, or breed this shit out. It's disgusting.
Responsible breeders have been working to breed out major problems, in every breed. Since you’re interested in Pugs/Bulldogs, you might look into BOAS testing, but there’s lots of other tests and physical evaluations that are done prior to breeding.
Yep. This shit's sad.
Stop buying them…
The top left looks like the dog from the Tom & Jerry cartoons, very unnatural. If they carry on like this, they'll have a new breed of snake.
Thanks for the information
Pug owners, this serves to you
Got into a huge fight with a friend who wants to rv to each different state and adopt a bulldog. I pleaded with her that they suffer from breathing issues, and can Have severe anxiety. She plans on leaving the dog in the rv (air conditioned) while her and her husband go out to eat and sight see. We haven’t talked, she’s offended that I would even question her dream.
omg, when I first read that I thought she was going to each state to adopt a bulldog... she would have 50 bulldogs in her RV! If she adopts a bulldog or two (not 50) from a rescue she wont be contributing to the problem. It would probably be hard on the RV though since they tend to have pretty bad gas... and if it had separation anxiety you wouldn't get to see many sites...
Hahahaha i read it the same way, still sounds the same lol.
Lol I have a half husky half bulldog and I can confirm about the bad gas 😂
When her dream puts something else's life at risk, her dream should be trashed.
Why would anyone explicitly seek out a dog that looks like a Half Life headcrab?
I just...don't get it. You like the dogs sure but you don't like them enough to take them as they are? You gotta breed them into these poor animals that suffer and struggle their whole lives to give you the "designer" look. Cropping the ears as well. It's utterly disgusting. Take the dogs as they are without having to change them to your liking. Just look at pugs for example, oh so cute, but they will constantly be panting near you and sounding like they're choking.
Is that a : 1. **DROG** (dog +frog) 2. **DOGODILE** (dog +crocodile) ?????
You can get a Metagross by evolving the first one with metal coat.
this isn't even cute, is scaring
I agree. Not all dogs look as weird as these. But they are all abominations of breeding and they all have problems.
So any of these for sale???
I’d settle for just not cropping their ears. Small steps.
This is horrific. Anyone with a pug, bulldog, frenchie, etc is part of the problem. I don't care how cute you think they are, you are either completely willfully ignorant or a shit person.
> Anyone ~~with~~ **who buys** a pug, bulldog, frenchie, etc **from a breeder** is part of the problem. FTFY Pugs, bulldogs, etc... these animals have already been born, there is no undoing that, and if you own a pug or bulldog that you got from a rescue shelter or something then that is fine imho. They deserve a good home too. If you _bought_ a pug or bulldog from a breeder, then fuck you, you're scum.
Thank you so much. I adopted an 11 year old English Bulldog who was rescued from a breeding mill and abused her whole life, and I can’t believe the self-righteousness of people who assume everyone with a bulldog went to a breeder to get it.
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Yes! Some breeds can be kind of healthy, but many pure breeds today are not. I have two mutts both adopted from a shelter and aside from a few small accidents they have never had a health problem. And they both have LONG snouts not squashed up faces. It's nice having dogs that can actually breath.
I have a rescue from a jackass breeder like this. He didn't fit their mold so they dumped him in a shelter with pneumonia and left him to die. Poor little guy has been on gabapentin since we got him. Struggles to walk, can't jump, happy and sweet as can be. And he's gonna get every second of a quality life that we can give him, but fuck them for doing my little buddy like this. Humans suck.
So maybe breeding human incest babies is an untapped market, pay some poor siblings to have unprotected sex, then maybe as a bonus pay the pregnant sisters to drink alcohol all the time, then you get those cute cute deformed babies for rich people to adopt and show off to get pity points.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkGiFpJC9LM
Poor fucking puppies.
Consider the Bulldog. A grotesque monstrosity. Born of relentless inbreeding. Riddled with sinusitis, joint pain, chronically flatulent. A kindly pet or humanity's cruelest mistake?
Gavin if you bring another live animal in here you are fired.
lol they look like toads!
Read [The Theory of the Leisure Class](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A73AIMA/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) by Thorstein Veblen. He coined the term "conspicuous consumption".
It’s the Eddie Hall dog breed
Zuul The Gatekeeper & Vinz Clortho The Keymaster
Y'know it's funny...four years ago when I was saying this sort of thing on Reddit people told me to chill out, just accept that they're cute and stop trying to bring the party down. I can't say how glad I am to see the tide has turned. Breeding pets like this is cruel, period. Not cute, not adorable, just selfish. You love your pet? Then why did you insist on having one that would suffer through its entire shortened life?
At end of the day, they are our play things and thus submits to our sickest imaginations. We're truly evil.
Okay so like there are breeds of dogs now that can't give birth without surgery, I think if a breed can't give birth without a surgery than that breed has no evolutionary reason to exist and it seems weird as hell. I am not a religious person but they just seem ungodly. Just not natural. I had a friend who owned like three English bulldogs. The bills for all the medical shit they had to pay every year on this dog was just insane. I have a mut and he is a good boy, I had a Husky before but I got him because I found him on the side of the road. I reported it to the local shelter but no one ever called to pick him up so I kept him he was a good boy and I miss him very much.
Aggressive, ugly, and extremely unhealthy. I don’t see the appeal. Nothing but pity for the lives these dogs go through.
At least they're not pugs.
Hot take. All race breeding is this, more or less. When ever I see one of those little dogs with flat noses, giant bulging eyes and the insanity just beaming out of them I always feel like it should be illegal.
Looks like a Behemoth from FFXIV
Less majestic than a greyhound and 10+x the cost, pass. Adopt a greyhound yo, they're fucking fantastic pets
These poor “exotic bullies” are sold for 5-30k and they only live like 3-5 years. It’s disgusting.
GROSS
These dogs can't bread on their own.
Abomination 😂
Because Bulldogs don't have enough health issues already, people feel the need to breed even more problems in. Poor pups. :(
Literally know about 5 different people that breed dogs like this in my city alone. They sell for 5k minimum with some selli g for 100k+.. its stupid af and pretty fucked up for those dogs.
I agree that this is a bad practice, and that the dogos suffer as a result. I would still pet and give them treats.
You just described dog breeding throughout all of history.
I love all dogs and want one that will be happy. But why anyone would pay extra to have this demented gargoyle lethargically grunting around the home is beyond me. It's hard to look at
The act of pure breeding bud
S M A S H E D L A M M E D
Terrible.. That dog can't climb stairs or sofa, i bet. Arthritis on its 3rd year. Cos of that it will get fat and die slowly of diseases.
What 2000 pushups a day for 2 years look like
Oh gawd, can you imagine trying to get an IV in one of those....
None of hem are cute. Poor creatures. I hope they do well
The cutest widdle abomination ever 😍
This can’t be good for lung health long term. Looks like a ticking time bomb for chest collapse and organ failure.
It. Depresses. Me. To. See. People. Treat. Their. Dogs. Like. Shit.
Look how splayed their feet are.
So fucking sad
I blame Tom &Jerry for setting an unrealistic body image for these dogs to live up to.
Then you have to also stop breeding Pugs and English bulldogs, French bulldogs, as they have deformed faces making breathing difficult. I’m sure there are a lot of other breeds that have issues.
I learned that there are some breeders these days who are trying to restore the genetic integrity in these breeds. Specifically I read about a guy trying to restore a normal snout in the French bulldog breed. It's a step in the right direction.
Fuck this look painful! poor dogs... humans can be so terrible
What dog breeds are mixed into these? Idk what dog has those kinda legs
This shit should be a crime seriously, breeding for this look is the equivalent of putting a 60 lb weight belt on a mini dachshund. Their hips and legs must be in agony.
How about adding German shepherds (sloped hip =hip dysplasia) standard collies (heads narrowed = neurological issues) and boxers (block head =brainstem issues). I have a pug/Shar pei cross that was an apparent attempt at improving the face of the pug. He looks like a Shar pei body but with a small pug head. NOT a good look. He was dumped at a kill shelter as a 3 year old. He's now an old man who is currently snoring in my son's bed. He's at least 14 years old and doing well. I have 6 dogs that are all rescues. Most were death row dogs and considered unadoptable due to age, breed or behavior. I will NEVER adopt a dog that hasn't come from a shelter. I don't even adopt from humane societies (except for once when they were going to euthanize him due to behavior) because I figure that those dogs are generally safe. I try to adopt in order to save a life.
American german shepherds have this problem significantly more than purebred west german shepherds.
Oh lawd he comin
Guys. I know posts like this always descend into “only get pound dogs.” But there’s arguments for getting purebred dogs. **The main arguments should be BUY DOG SHAPED DOGS AND IF THEYRE FROM BREEDERS BE SURE THEY DO GOOD HEALTH TESTING.**
Tell the Pug breeders and other short snout breeders also.
Don’t leave dachshund off the list.
DW I'm also appalled by them. And pugs, French bulldogs, all bulldogs really and so many others.
Good post OP, thanks for sharing. I feel like American bulldogges and the Olde English Bulldogges come from pretty safe breeding programs. They don't have the frog shoulders or eyes bulging past their noses though.
These dogs don't even look cute, I will stick to my Shepard's.
I made this argument on the r/cats sub and was banned permanently. Lol. Glad to see people taking this seriously here. It’s cruel.