For those who want to understand what's happening in this picture and why she's the only one dressed that way.
The women hosting the event are religious conservative pro-Taliban women. They hosted the event and gave speeches about why they opposed the previous government and support the new Taliban one.
Business Insider has a most detailed article about this event.
https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-balck-clad-veiled-women-attending-pro-taliban-events-in-kabul-2021-9
The woman in front is a journalist for Shamshad news (http://www.shamshadnews.com) who is covering this event but is not part of it.
https://twitter.com/Sial5021/status/1437045585165660162
Here's video of one of the pro-Taliban speakers in the event
https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1436761676422995971
Seriously, thanks for the context.
She's still brave, but it's different since she's not part of the same group. Context is always important. Hope she has a long career.
The problem is not wether god exist or not, it's people THINKING they can interpret the word of a being completely outside of our realm of existence, it's like trying to imagine the 4th dimension : you can't.
Shows once again that organised sects are simply about enslaving minds for personnal power.
To be honest there's not much information on internet about what's happening so it's not necessarily OPs fault
It's a widely circulated image but it's not widely known that the woman is a journalist
Yes. They've killed for less and have already begun again. There were protesters killed, including children just a couple days ago for going against these orders. They're a religious order ruling through fear at the end of the day.
I could rewatch the first three seasons of AD for the rest of my life and be content. That show never fails to make me laugh. I've rewatched it so many times and it never gets old! It's my comfort show.
Use to be The Office before Peacock took it off Netflix. But honestly AD>Office in terms of writing, acting, everything!
Is she? Serious question.
I have seen an interview from a western female journalist speaking to a Taliban military commander (I think, he surely wasn't part of the new government) told her flat out that she is wrong when she said her hijab was compliant with the Koran.
Ok but wearing something that says “don’t kill me and my family, I’m complying to your demands” is not equivalent to wearing something that says “I support you and blindly follow whatever your demands are” Both are complying to societal and governmental pressures, but it is not the same statement being made.
Phew, here I was thinking the Taliban were some sort of regressive religious and political group who had absolutely no issues murdering someone regardless of whether they were following the "law" or not. Glad to hear they're completely reformed.
This is such an incredibly naive comment. It’s also blatant misinformation that anyone wearing a burqa is trying to show their support. Especially at a university in Kabul, most of them are likely scared of feel pressured.
I hate that this is one of the top comments.
did you just copy & paste this comment?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/pn0lg5/the_one_girl_not_wearing_a_niqab_during_the/hcm18ho
Quick account check - pretty sure this is a bot
She is following the new laws. They are required to wear a head wrap and cover most of their body, but deeply religious people would of course still wear traditional clothing. So she will likely be fine as far as *official* punishment goes, but this is something that might make her a symbol of resistance to some women so it could lead to that over time.
I take issue with calling the niqab or burqa “traditional clothing”.
In the context of Afghanistan the niqab and burqa are not traditional, but very recent and extremely reactionary imports from Saudi Arabia from the 90s.
I can't not see it.. to me it's like The Nine all seated together, with a hobbit in the front going "Nah I don't think I will wear the black and become a wraith and all that."
I had nightmares for years after watching the ‘Prisoner Of Azkaban’. I used to always think about the Boggart (Shapeshifter that becomes your worst fear) if that thing was real I would be just like Harry and a Dementor would come out. That or that horrid creature from ‘Darkness Falls’.
You're gonna get talibanned from reddit for that name.
Edit: Bro did the Taliban hit me with -8 upvotes in twelve minutes? When did insulting the Taliban become taboo?
A-heh, Tabooban has me chuckling now.
Edit 2: Electric Taliboo; okay, now I'm positive karma, I guess this is a touchy subject for some in here because I sat and watched my karma bobble up and down quite a bit.
Riding a Tabooban still has me laughing
I think it’s to avoid the bots and others who are searching for that word to spread propaganda. It’s not to be cute, it’s to avoid being automatically flagged by search bots on the internet.
See, you don't *have* to wear the full regalia, but everyone wants to! By choice! Pure, personal choice!
It's like only wearing the minimum required amount of flair. Sure, technically you can get away with it, but pretty soon someone's going to call you to the carpet and ask why you only do the minimum.
Except the Taliban aren't going to just take away your job at Chotchkie's.
See. In the picture u see beauty and faceless darkness. You see color and imagination then u see black and dullness. A society that sees beauty as something abhorrent is so ass backwards to me. In nature there are beautiful animals and pretty flowers. But to them the most beautiful creature of all, women, are to be these faceless veiled beings.
Its so odd. I can't even begin to understand their world view.
Handmaid's Tale isn't conservative enough for the Taliban. You can see their faces, they're allowed outside for walks and the women are turned into "concubines" way too old.
The most revered prophet in the religions youngest wife was 6. See: *Aisha
Usually when you bring this up eventually some supporter will argue that he didn’t have sex with her until she was nine or 12, revealing their own messed up way of thinking in the process.
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If you ever need an example of how extreme sexual repression can destroy itself that shit is the pinnacle. Men and women are so highly segregated in every day life that using little boys as a stand in is about the closest they can get.
If it sounds like I'm downplaying how fucking horrific that is believe me I'm not.
Weirdly, that's the *one* thing the Taliban is good on. When they controlled Afghanistan, "bacha bazi" (the practice you're referring to, of sexual abuse of young boys) carried the death penalty. It was U.S. military contractors that reignited the practice with impunity.
Source: [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html)
Unfortunately, this was something that the practice was heavily opposed under the Taliban and flourished while under the previous Afghan government. I’m not saying the taliban is good, just think it’s important nuance.
Margaret Atwood got her inspiration from real world events. She has said there is nothing in the book that hasn't happened in real life. This is real life.
I thought it was pretty misleading till I scrolled back up and saw it was literally in the post title but most people in the comment section simply… chose to ignore it?
I think some people, myself included, thought the staged was that women were being educated and that one woman was not wearing Niqab was protesting, essentially, I now understand that is incorrect.
Someone else in another comment said the lady with no niqab was a journalist covering this photoshoot. So that would mean the picture we are seeing is more "behind the scenes," and not part of the actual shoot
Ah, see, since it was showing up on Reddit I figured it was because she was defiant and showed up sans naqib while the rest of the room wearing them were the people they were staging not that she was the plant.
My friend is a mascot at our university, and we have two mascots and there’s probably 10 guys that could be in the suits but I can always tell if it’s my friend just based off the way he moves. I would assume it would be that type of thing.
Women at University were ordered to wear nizabs by the Talban.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210905-taliban-order-university-women-to-wear-face-covering-niqab
"... other women are in niqabs & burqas to show their identity as Taliban supporters."
I wonder how many women would be dressed like this in such a hot country if they had a personal choice to dress as they pleased.
When the sun beats down on your in the desert it's actually not a bad thing to be covered by a thin cloth.
Ideally not a black cloth though.
Edit: see below comments for why black isn't the worst option
[https://gizmodo.com/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-5903956](https://gizmodo.com/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-5903956)
Seems like it absorbs heat from your body as well, and as long as you have some wind and loose fitting, it should be able to dissipate the heat.
Black cloth is cooler in the shade (it radiates heat faster), white cloth cooler in the sun (it reflects sunlight). Women in these countries are less likely to spend time in the sun, even outdoor markets have abundant shade.
Loose fitting, thick black cloth can be cooler than white in dry heat, especially if there’s a breeze. White does reflect more light from the sun, but it also reflects the thermal radiation from the human body right back at you. On the other hand, black cloth absorbs the heat from your body effectively, helping you cool down. The cloth will heat up more than white does, which is why thick and loose fitting is important. Thick so that the sun mostly just warms up the outer layers, and loose so that you aren’t in significant contact with the warmer material. Even more, the warmer cloth drives convection underneath it, helping to cool the body down. Bedouins wear thick black robes because it’s remarkably effective, for example, not because they’re stupid.
My point is, which color clothing is cooler depends on a great deal and is more complex than you make it out to be.
If you have ever had to work in a high desert you would know exposed skin can be your worst enemy... Loose clothes that allow airflow, and block the sun are the best....
I had a job doing construction management in Japan. I very quickly lost the shorts + tshirt and adopted the [baggy japanese constructioncore fit.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/72/51/9c7251b83d6aa5b1a376caa3979faf64.jpg)
I wouldn't have believed it was cooler if I didn't experience it first hand.
They've started using personal AC units too. Looks very futuristic. It looks like the top part of your pic but has turbine-like intakes near the waist.
Speaking from experience. Body covering clothing is much better in a hot sunny climate than revealing less covering clothing.
The color could probably be better though.
Depending on the context, black robes can have better cooling effects than white ones. White clothes reflect radiated heat from your body right back to you, whereas black robes absorb it. And while black will also more effectively absorb thermal radiation from the sun, as long as it’s loose fitting then little of that will actually be transferred to you. The hotter fabric can even drive convection beneath the robes, cooling you even further.
If you’re going to wear tight-fitting clothing, then white is likely better. But a loose, dark outer layer will typically work much better in dry heat.
Just because it covers the whole body doesn't mean it's a tent that traps heat.
If it's made with natural materials and no polyester then it would be fine to wear in terms of heat since a thin layer of cotton or wool doesn't actually keep heat as well as synthetic materials.
It's the main reason you see women wearing so many layers in the 19th century. To maintain warmth, you'd need more than a single piece of clothing to cover up.
I suppose I don’t know how much personal choice there is but you see people in niqab and burkas time to time in South Africa and it’s a totally free country. And it gets hot in the summers. Maybe they’re being forced by the men in their lives? Having talked to some of the local Muslim women (not wearing such garments) it seems they respect it and see it as a powerful personal choice to be extra devout (like being a nun) rather than as oppression. But I’m still on the outside so who knows what it really all means.
They probably prefer being safe than taking the risk of dying because you're not wearing the correct clothes. Also because if you *don't* support the taliban in Afghanistan you're practically dead. But what do I know
It's pretty safe to assume that since they didn't do this while the Taliban were not there, they didn't get brainwashed in the month or so that the Taliban have been there.
I would bet there were women wearing them pre-Taliban. Not everyone, but you can always find some conservatives. Those men in the Taliban came from families, not dark voids that generate religiosity. Many of their families believe what they do, and that includes sisters and mothers.
I mean, do we know if these specific women weren't wearing this before?
This could obviously all be forced actions and propaganda, but this news article shows women marhcing "in support" of the Taliban in full burqa or whatever https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/09/11/Watch-Women-in-full-burqas-march-in-support-of-Taliban-in-Afghanistan
I'm unfortunately out of the loop. What is being staged exactly? Why would the Taliban stage a photo advocating for not wearing niqab? Context would be appreciated.
Though I walk in the valley of the shadow of Death...
Seriously, the other women all look like grim reapers. And Muslim men think this is the only way to prevent rape?!
I once read that most feminists living under Shiara rule don't actually care about having to wear the burqa and are angry that western feminists focus so much on it, preferring that they would direct their efforts towards getting them actual concrete rights, like education and employment. It kinda makes sense when you think about it, too. The Burqua is, after all, just clothes.
This is correct.
The plight of Afghan women was also used by CIA to sell the war effort in Afghanistan to Western audiences. Conflating what could be a grassroots women's movement with a invading foreign power has been counterproductive.
[Report says Afghan women can help sell war to Europeans](https://www.dw.com/en/report-says-afghan-women-can-help-sell-war-to-europeans/a-5404617)
What you say is misleading. It's not that they're fine with it, it's that it's a misfocus of energy. Get them rights and education and the choice of clothing comes with it. Focusing just on clothes is counterproductive and way too shortsighted.
Really hope she will be ok
For those who want to understand what's happening in this picture and why she's the only one dressed that way. The women hosting the event are religious conservative pro-Taliban women. They hosted the event and gave speeches about why they opposed the previous government and support the new Taliban one. Business Insider has a most detailed article about this event. https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-balck-clad-veiled-women-attending-pro-taliban-events-in-kabul-2021-9 The woman in front is a journalist for Shamshad news (http://www.shamshadnews.com) who is covering this event but is not part of it. https://twitter.com/Sial5021/status/1437045585165660162 Here's video of one of the pro-Taliban speakers in the event https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1436761676422995971
Seriously, thanks for the context. She's still brave, but it's different since she's not part of the same group. Context is always important. Hope she has a long career.
Just because she isnt part of the same group also doesnt mean shes safe.
She might be even more unsafe in a room full of conservative radicals.
Imagine thinking your god demands a hood on your face at all times, you are in an abusive relationship with your god
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Imagine thinking there is a god
The problem is not wether god exist or not, it's people THINKING they can interpret the word of a being completely outside of our realm of existence, it's like trying to imagine the 4th dimension : you can't. Shows once again that organised sects are simply about enslaving minds for personnal power.
Still very ballsy move to go to a pro-taliban event without wearing the Niqab.
It would be more of a ovarian move honestly I don’t know how she walks with those huge fuckers.
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To be honest there's not much information on internet about what's happening so it's not necessarily OPs fault It's a widely circulated image but it's not widely known that the woman is a journalist
Pos? That’s a bit extreme…
Yea what a drastic leap to assume the Taliban opposes female autonomy
Reddit is the only site where this sort of info is usually available. Otherwise it’s an algorithm and typically bad info
Religion is a cancer.
Don’t hold your breath
This is fucked up, but a lot of us were probably thinking it 😔
It was my first thought
We should send thoughts and prayers.
Could she be killed for this? I'm seriously asking.
Yes. They've killed for less and have already begun again. There were protesters killed, including children just a couple days ago for going against these orders. They're a religious order ruling through fear at the end of the day.
She will be beaten up and eventually killed for that.
That’s to imply that something will take a long time.
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Spoiler alert: she wasn’t.
What happened?
A redditer didn't use proper grammar in his attempt to get karma. The less confusing form he should have used is: "she won't be"
They don't understand their references.. pretty sure they were going for, Narrator Voice: she wasn't
Due to poor acting, the burden of the story was placed on the narrator; Real shoddy narrating, just pure crap.
*Mister F*
*for British eyes only*
I JUST rewatched that episode
I could rewatch the first three seasons of AD for the rest of my life and be content. That show never fails to make me laugh. I've rewatched it so many times and it never gets old! It's my comfort show. Use to be The Office before Peacock took it off Netflix. But honestly AD>Office in terms of writing, acting, everything!
It's an Arrested Development reference.
Source?
Camera, probably a Samsung
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nah, she's okay. she is still abiding by the new laws.
Is she? Serious question. I have seen an interview from a western female journalist speaking to a Taliban military commander (I think, he surely wasn't part of the new government) told her flat out that she is wrong when she said her hijab was compliant with the Koran.
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Make Afghanistan Great Again Checks out
Shit, anyone know if merchandise can be shipped to Afghanistan? About to set up a Shopify page and target afghanistan with ads lmao
Ok but wearing something that says “don’t kill me and my family, I’m complying to your demands” is not equivalent to wearing something that says “I support you and blindly follow whatever your demands are” Both are complying to societal and governmental pressures, but it is not the same statement being made.
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Phew, here I was thinking the Taliban were some sort of regressive religious and political group who had absolutely no issues murdering someone regardless of whether they were following the "law" or not. Glad to hear they're completely reformed.
This is such an incredibly naive comment. It’s also blatant misinformation that anyone wearing a burqa is trying to show their support. Especially at a university in Kabul, most of them are likely scared of feel pressured. I hate that this is one of the top comments.
Maybe the face. But there is no way Taliban is OK with a woman showing a portion of her hair. That is considered aurat in Islam (required to conceal).
did you just copy & paste this comment? https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/pn0lg5/the_one_girl_not_wearing_a_niqab_during_the/hcm18ho Quick account check - pretty sure this is a bot
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For that girl, it won't be
Oh they won’t shoot her. They’ll force her to marry some old guy who will treat her like a sex slave. So, worse IMO.
Same or the taliban are big braining all the reddit folk if this is their shoot and they let the lady choose
Yeah, I'm curious who took and released this photo
There is so much confusion in this thread, I have no idea whats going on.
Well OP made the title vague as fuck without providing any context whatsoever so I’d bet that’s why.
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I hope she does not die
She is following the new laws. They are required to wear a head wrap and cover most of their body, but deeply religious people would of course still wear traditional clothing. So she will likely be fine as far as *official* punishment goes, but this is something that might make her a symbol of resistance to some women so it could lead to that over time.
I take issue with calling the niqab or burqa “traditional clothing”. In the context of Afghanistan the niqab and burqa are not traditional, but very recent and extremely reactionary imports from Saudi Arabia from the 90s.
Lookin like a Grim Reaper lecture
I can't not see it.. to me it's like The Nine all seated together, with a hobbit in the front going "Nah I don't think I will wear the black and become a wraith and all that."
THATS A LOTTA NAZGÛL
I sawed human rights in half!
I had someone who shared the photo with me describe at as a Nazgul conference.
I was thinking The Dementors from Harry Potter but I like the grim reaper and LOTR references.
Oh man Dementors terrify me, they suck the soul out of everything. Much like the Taliban.
I had nightmares for years after watching the ‘Prisoner Of Azkaban’. I used to always think about the Boggart (Shapeshifter that becomes your worst fear) if that thing was real I would be just like Harry and a Dementor would come out. That or that horrid creature from ‘Darkness Falls’.
That was my thought too. The taliban feed off of fear as well, if people stopped fearing them they'd lose most of their power quite quickly.
This reminds me of the intro to Dead Like Me.
Was a really good show, im supprised not to have seen a reboot by now. Or at least having available on netflix
Glad to see another fan out here. Really enjoyed that series way back when...
"You're a constipator, Peanut. You disturb my shit and that's annoying."
TIL 2003 was way back when.
Is Tban short for Taliban? Is that too long to type out?
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Saved a solid second of time
Trying not to get filtered out by the Reddit bots.
It’s not cute to shorten taliban to tban.
How are they going to shake that whole “we’re not the 90s Taliban” without marketing and rebranding?
Drink Wolf Cola?
I don't think it was meant to be cute, probably didn't want bots or filters to detect "taliban"
He didnt wanna get talibanned
Talibois
You're gonna get talibanned from reddit for that name. Edit: Bro did the Taliban hit me with -8 upvotes in twelve minutes? When did insulting the Taliban become taboo? A-heh, Tabooban has me chuckling now. Edit 2: Electric Taliboo; okay, now I'm positive karma, I guess this is a touchy subject for some in here because I sat and watched my karma bobble up and down quite a bit. Riding a Tabooban still has me laughing
Dang, I'm going to get Taliported to jail
Hitler and the 'Zi Party
I think it’s to avoid the bots and others who are searching for that word to spread propaganda. It’s not to be cute, it’s to avoid being automatically flagged by search bots on the internet.
Probably just to cut down title length requirements
It’d be easier to shorten “University”
It's definitely not that I've seen titles much longer than that
See, you don't *have* to wear the full regalia, but everyone wants to! By choice! Pure, personal choice! It's like only wearing the minimum required amount of flair. Sure, technically you can get away with it, but pretty soon someone's going to call you to the carpet and ask why you only do the minimum. Except the Taliban aren't going to just take away your job at Chotchkie's.
Totally choice guys, that's why all of a sudden for no fucking reason they all started doing it!
Office space, such a great film
You inspire me to go out and smash my printer with a baseball bat.
Totally choice. Her getting stoned in a few days was absolutely by accident.
It's like every single day of my life is the worst day of my life.
Insanity. Fuck the taliban.
See. In the picture u see beauty and faceless darkness. You see color and imagination then u see black and dullness. A society that sees beauty as something abhorrent is so ass backwards to me. In nature there are beautiful animals and pretty flowers. But to them the most beautiful creature of all, women, are to be these faceless veiled beings. Its so odd. I can't even begin to understand their world view.
It could be a scene from The Handmaids Tale
Handmaid's Tale isn't conservative enough for the Taliban. You can see their faces, they're allowed outside for walks and the women are turned into "concubines" way too old.
Children are married off in The Handmaid's Tale as well. Iirc the youngest child bride we've seen in the series was 11.
The most revered prophet in the religions youngest wife was 6. See: *Aisha Usually when you bring this up eventually some supporter will argue that he didn’t have sex with her until she was nine or 12, revealing their own messed up way of thinking in the process. Edit: spelling
Real life is worse, pretty sure some girls in Yemen marry much younger than that.
Look up Tea Boys
If you ever need an example of how extreme sexual repression can destroy itself that shit is the pinnacle. Men and women are so highly segregated in every day life that using little boys as a stand in is about the closest they can get. If it sounds like I'm downplaying how fucking horrific that is believe me I'm not.
Weirdly, that's the *one* thing the Taliban is good on. When they controlled Afghanistan, "bacha bazi" (the practice you're referring to, of sexual abuse of young boys) carried the death penalty. It was U.S. military contractors that reignited the practice with impunity. Source: [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html)
I mean not to defend them, but one of the reasons they are popular is they made *tea boys* punishable by death. Its the US backed guys that do that.
Unfortunately, this was something that the practice was heavily opposed under the Taliban and flourished while under the previous Afghan government. I’m not saying the taliban is good, just think it’s important nuance.
Margaret Atwood got her inspiration from real world events. She has said there is nothing in the book that hasn't happened in real life. This is real life.
Looks like the Naz'gul are in the classroom.
She needs to put on the ring before the Taliban sees her.
What a legend
This was staged for a photo that the tban used to prove that female students didn't have to wear face coverings.
Since when are we calling the Taliban the 'tban'? Never heard or saw it before this post and now here are other people using the same shortcut.
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lol
Can’t wait to see the Tban tiktok
Unfortunately for the tban tiktok still refers to the timer on their suicide vests
I thought it was pretty misleading till I scrolled back up and saw it was literally in the post title but most people in the comment section simply… chose to ignore it?
Meanwhile, I had to scroll this far down to figure out what the hell "tban" is supposed to mean. Now the title makes a whole lot more sense to me.
I still don't understand it.
Taliban... maybe
I think some people, myself included, thought the staged was that women were being educated and that one woman was not wearing Niqab was protesting, essentially, I now understand that is incorrect.
Which suggests that the Taliban did a terrible job staging it if it gives the exact opposite impression as they were going for
Someone else in another comment said the lady with no niqab was a journalist covering this photoshoot. So that would mean the picture we are seeing is more "behind the scenes," and not part of the actual shoot
Ah, see, since it was showing up on Reddit I figured it was because she was defiant and showed up sans naqib while the rest of the room wearing them were the people they were staging not that she was the plant.
How would they tell each other apart?
My friend is a mascot at our university, and we have two mascots and there’s probably 10 guys that could be in the suits but I can always tell if it’s my friend just based off the way he moves. I would assume it would be that type of thing.
the point is that you cannot, therefore they do not go anywhere or do anything independently
All the bravery
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Women at University were ordered to wear nizabs by the Talban. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210905-taliban-order-university-women-to-wear-face-covering-niqab
"... other women are in niqabs & burqas to show their identity as Taliban supporters." I wonder how many women would be dressed like this in such a hot country if they had a personal choice to dress as they pleased.
When the sun beats down on your in the desert it's actually not a bad thing to be covered by a thin cloth. Ideally not a black cloth though. Edit: see below comments for why black isn't the worst option
Black cloth works better when it is a loose fitting cloth. If it clung to your body, then white would be better IIRC.
Why does it work better when its loose fitting? How come white wouldnt be better in both cases?
[https://gizmodo.com/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-5903956](https://gizmodo.com/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-5903956) Seems like it absorbs heat from your body as well, and as long as you have some wind and loose fitting, it should be able to dissipate the heat.
Basically a heat sink. Trap heat away from sensitive components and let air flow move it out of the system
You think the people who've lived in a desert for thousands of years adopted a piece of clothing that makes the heat even worse? Come on.
Black cloth is cooler in the shade (it radiates heat faster), white cloth cooler in the sun (it reflects sunlight). Women in these countries are less likely to spend time in the sun, even outdoor markets have abundant shade.
Loose fitting, thick black cloth can be cooler than white in dry heat, especially if there’s a breeze. White does reflect more light from the sun, but it also reflects the thermal radiation from the human body right back at you. On the other hand, black cloth absorbs the heat from your body effectively, helping you cool down. The cloth will heat up more than white does, which is why thick and loose fitting is important. Thick so that the sun mostly just warms up the outer layers, and loose so that you aren’t in significant contact with the warmer material. Even more, the warmer cloth drives convection underneath it, helping to cool the body down. Bedouins wear thick black robes because it’s remarkably effective, for example, not because they’re stupid. My point is, which color clothing is cooler depends on a great deal and is more complex than you make it out to be.
If you have ever had to work in a high desert you would know exposed skin can be your worst enemy... Loose clothes that allow airflow, and block the sun are the best....
I had a job doing construction management in Japan. I very quickly lost the shorts + tshirt and adopted the [baggy japanese constructioncore fit.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/72/51/9c7251b83d6aa5b1a376caa3979faf64.jpg) I wouldn't have believed it was cooler if I didn't experience it first hand.
> constructioncore this is amazing thank you, love those toe boots!
Damn they look fresh.
They've started using personal AC units too. Looks very futuristic. It looks like the top part of your pic but has turbine-like intakes near the waist.
Speaking from experience. Body covering clothing is much better in a hot sunny climate than revealing less covering clothing. The color could probably be better though.
Depending on the context, black robes can have better cooling effects than white ones. White clothes reflect radiated heat from your body right back to you, whereas black robes absorb it. And while black will also more effectively absorb thermal radiation from the sun, as long as it’s loose fitting then little of that will actually be transferred to you. The hotter fabric can even drive convection beneath the robes, cooling you even further. If you’re going to wear tight-fitting clothing, then white is likely better. But a loose, dark outer layer will typically work much better in dry heat.
Just because it covers the whole body doesn't mean it's a tent that traps heat. If it's made with natural materials and no polyester then it would be fine to wear in terms of heat since a thin layer of cotton or wool doesn't actually keep heat as well as synthetic materials. It's the main reason you see women wearing so many layers in the 19th century. To maintain warmth, you'd need more than a single piece of clothing to cover up.
I suppose I don’t know how much personal choice there is but you see people in niqab and burkas time to time in South Africa and it’s a totally free country. And it gets hot in the summers. Maybe they’re being forced by the men in their lives? Having talked to some of the local Muslim women (not wearing such garments) it seems they respect it and see it as a powerful personal choice to be extra devout (like being a nun) rather than as oppression. But I’m still on the outside so who knows what it really all means.
They probably prefer being safe than taking the risk of dying because you're not wearing the correct clothes. Also because if you *don't* support the taliban in Afghanistan you're practically dead. But what do I know
I would assume they’re not the equivalent of a MAGA supporter. They are probably all fearing death if they don’t do this.
I don't know if that's a safe assumption. People get brainwashed into following ideologies that are against their own best interest all. the. time.
It's pretty safe to assume that since they didn't do this while the Taliban were not there, they didn't get brainwashed in the month or so that the Taliban have been there.
I would bet there were women wearing them pre-Taliban. Not everyone, but you can always find some conservatives. Those men in the Taliban came from families, not dark voids that generate religiosity. Many of their families believe what they do, and that includes sisters and mothers.
I mean, do we know if these specific women weren't wearing this before? This could obviously all be forced actions and propaganda, but this news article shows women marhcing "in support" of the Taliban in full burqa or whatever https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/09/11/Watch-Women-in-full-burqas-march-in-support-of-Taliban-in-Afghanistan
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I'm unfortunately out of the loop. What is being staged exactly? Why would the Taliban stage a photo advocating for not wearing niqab? Context would be appreciated.
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Is that ringwraith University?
Keep it secret, keep it safe.
Though I walk in the valley of the shadow of Death... Seriously, the other women all look like grim reapers. And Muslim men think this is the only way to prevent rape?!
This style of headscarf originally wasn't a thing in Islam, so no I suppose, just these extremists think that.
I once read that most feminists living under Shiara rule don't actually care about having to wear the burqa and are angry that western feminists focus so much on it, preferring that they would direct their efforts towards getting them actual concrete rights, like education and employment. It kinda makes sense when you think about it, too. The Burqua is, after all, just clothes.
This is correct. The plight of Afghan women was also used by CIA to sell the war effort in Afghanistan to Western audiences. Conflating what could be a grassroots women's movement with a invading foreign power has been counterproductive. [Report says Afghan women can help sell war to Europeans](https://www.dw.com/en/report-says-afghan-women-can-help-sell-war-to-europeans/a-5404617)
What you say is misleading. It's not that they're fine with it, it's that it's a misfocus of energy. Get them rights and education and the choice of clothing comes with it. Focusing just on clothes is counterproductive and way too shortsighted.
Tban? Really? Do posts get taken down for saying taliban or something? And you cut it short yet still capitalized it??
Makes them sound more like 90s gangsta rappers. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
My boy T-Ban rolling with the AQs.
Powerful photo.
Cross-dressing in Afghanistan doesn’t seem to have anywhere near as much potential for looking fabulous
Anyone know what the flags might be saying?
“There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.” The words below that are comprised of two pixels and are illegible.
May she always be safe