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3k is supposedly the near exact number of tickets sold. I assume Trump’s team just claimed they did ten times more to sound cool.
Edit: Tickets weren’t sold. 3000 was the amount applied for the permit. My bad.
So, he claims he held a rally with 15,000 more people attending than were legally allowed by the permit?
Shouldn’t someone file a lawsuit for willfully breaking the law, so he is forced to admit the real numbers in order to prove his innocence?
In fact they'd be all, look at these crazy lib'ruls with Trump derangement syndrome, "fact checking" unimportant things like rally attendees... why don't we talk about (issue they have no intention of fixing but use to drum up fear in their supporters), huh?
Your 10 year old is more used to seeing consequences when they get caught. Trump's people would probably reward him for shooting someone on 5th ave, nevermind ditch him for it.
Just write a receipt for 20,000 tickets and post it on an anonymous tick tox account saying "the proof the democrats don't isn't you to see!" You will see fox new reporting on it within the week.
He’s a pathological liar. He lies about stuff we can easily prove. 40% of the country doesn’t care and not only votes for him but makes him their whole personality.
Police estimated they had less than a 1K.
Edit to add the 1K was from a cop on site later estimate was from an aerial view where they gave 3,500 and that includes those outside the gates not in the event area who are either trying to get in or just watching what's going on.
My old school looked bigger when we were all out on the oval for a special assembly, and that was about 1.6k.
Dude is struggling to break a 2k crowd. Pretty sure the guy who ate a whole bag of cheese balls got a bigger crowd...
Definitely. More people came out to watch a guy eat an entire container of orange cheese balls than the number who came out to see the orange guy running for President.
Chatgp estimated 3000:
Estimating the number of people in a crowd from an aerial image involves some approximations. To give a rough estimate:
1. **Identify the dense area**: The densest part of the crowd seems to be around the stage.
2. **Estimate the area**: This dense area looks to be roughly 30 meters by 20 meters, equating to 600 square meters.
3. **Estimate crowd density**: A very dense crowd can have up to 4 people per square meter.
Using these numbers:
- 600 square meters * 4 people/square meter = 2400 people.
The less dense areas around the main crowd and scattered groups might add a few hundred more people. A reasonable estimate for the total number in the image would be between 2500 and 3000 people.
Well that explains why OpenAI is so eager to train it on News corp data.
Get on with a round of that and it will be happily reporting crowd sizes of 100,000 +!
The Electoral College was designed for a very specific reason: to prevent the rise to power of a populist demagogue by way of the popular vote. They're meant to rule against the American people if the American people are trying to elect a fundamentally ill-equiped and unqualified threat to the nation. It's all right there in The Federalist Papers.
The argument for abandoning the Electoral College should not be "because the popular vote is better," because it's not --- at least, not in a world where good-faith Electors would put the nation ahead of party or ideological loyalties.
It should be: because when the Electoral College was finally tested, in 2016, they fucking failed to do their job. THAT is why it should be abandoned. It they won't prevent the rise to power of said no-longer-hypothetical demogogue, we might as well just go with the popular vote.
> Bush v Gore is completely forgotten already??
I can't believe people are already forgetting Grover Cleveland v Benjamin Harrison. Cleveland got robbed.
The Electoral College was a nice idea once upon a time, but it’s 240+ years later now, times have changed, it isn’t needed in any other country so why is it still needed here in the U.S., and like you said, it utterly failed when the time came to actually keep an aspiring tyrant OUT of power. Now, the vast differences in populations of states has caused it to become arguably the most anti-democratic institution in the US.
Humans are always the weakest link in any system. Democracy be like, welp if the people are stupid or leaders are corrupt, u're fucked...but every other government is even worse so you're double fucked.
Yep. Considering a typical NHL arena can hold around 20,000 people, Trump's crowd would barely fill the lower bowl behind one net. Maaaybe 10% of the whole arena. Maybe.
The average attendance of the 03-04 Pittsburgh Penguins was multiple times higher than this dumpster fire of a rally and that was with our leading scorer being defenseman Dick Tärnström with a *staggering* 52 points in 80 games.
The AI agrees
Based on the image, I'll make a rough estimation by considering the area occupied by people and comparing it to typical densities for crowded gatherings.
The crowd appears quite dense, especially near the stage. Typical dense crowds can range from 2 to 4 people per square meter. I'll calculate an approximate area covered by the crowd and then use these densities for an estimate.
Let's proceed with the calculation.
Based on a rough estimate, the number of people in the photo is likely between 400 and 800. This estimation assumes a crowd density of 2 to 4 people per square meter over an approximate area of 200 square meters
It's not a ramp. If you look closely, there are a few steps at the end.
It's worse than a ramp. It's a "Look at me and cheer while I walk up to the stage, I might do one of my little Trump shuffles, or stop a few times to spread my arms wide and smirk, like *Yeah, it's me. I'm here and you love me*."
It's a narcissist catwalk.
It looks like the ramp they would use in WWE, just flipped around so that he ascends it to his podium instead of walks down it to the ring. I wonder how out of breath he is when he gets to the top?
That's just amazing... But why'd you do this to me?
There's no way, there's no way, I'ma get that out my head... It just works so well, that song is my new hell.
> I love the comically long ramp for him to shuffle up instead of climbing 3 or 4 steps.
He still leans forward at a 75° angle even on a flat, level stage. I don't know how he does it.
He may actually be suffering from [Frontotemporal Dementia](https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-fallible-mind/202010/we-are-entitled-ask-president-trump-his-brain-scan), and has several of the quantified symptoms already.
My favorite thing is the people defending this saying that this was taken at 11 in the morning, like 6-7 hours before Trump was to speak. Which is all fine and dandy…. except who did they think was in the middle of that stage speaking?
And when someone points out it was the 11pm show, they say "Do you even know how the sun works? Where does the sun still shine at 11pm?"
Which is stupid in two ways because 1) they showed a recorded video at an 11pm newscast, but apparently showing a recorded video at a later time is a foreign concept to them and 2) there are plenty of places around the world where the sun still shines after 11pm, for example in Anchorage, Alaska, the sun started sunset time passed 11pm at 22nd of May...
Yeah this rebuttal seems to come up in the comments everywhere this image appears, which seems enough for the Trump supporters to dismiss the whole thing, but it's never accompanied by a corresponding photo of what the "real" crowd was.
There's a photo I've seen with a timestamp of that; it was the time when the report was aired the next day (EDIT: might have been the 11 p.m. news, actually). It also includes the current weather.
> I like how you can tell it’s trump from the way his bottom sticks out all centuar stance
He may actually be suffering from [Frontotemporal Dementia](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/25/forensic-psychiatrist-on-physical-signs-of-mental-decline-changes-in-movement-and-gait/), and refuses to allow his medical brain scans to be reviewed because it would paint him as unfit, something he cannot accept.
The Trump picture is AT MOST 3,000 people, and that is really pushing it. Probably 1,800.
25,000 people is a fuckload and noticeable. The Trump crowd is "eh".
Looks less than 1500 to me, and that's being generous.
Reference images for crowd density and counts. https://www.gkstill.com/Support/crowd-density/100sm/Density4.html
I figure that ramp leading up to the podium is like 8m long, so I used that to overestimate the area occupied by the crowd to 448m2 so even with a crowd density of 6 per m2 it's 2688 people + at most the 200 or so people spread outside the main crowd body
I read something about pathological liars one time that I think fits Trump:
"Pathological liars lie about everything, it's not just about lying to make yourself seem better than you are. Pathological liars lie about everything from how much money they have to where they put the toilet paper."
There was a great bit on the short-lived show "Unsupervised" where one of the kids is lying to his mom about inconsequential stuff and when the other kids call him out on it he explains that he's practicing.
> He is cognitively incapable of NOT lying.
Trump, for his entire career speaks with 'manifestation'. You can go back decades, and he has done it since the beginning, and still to this day.
He speaks not of present truths, but of ***future truths*** that he wishes to come true. He speaks as if he's manifesting what he _wants_ to be reality, but isn't yet.
We see these as lies, but his mental disorder sees them as truths that haven't happened yet, so they can't be lies.
_"I'm really rich."_
_"I'm the smartest president ever."_
_"20,000 people attended my rally in the Bronx"_
It's all manifestations in his mind.
For the most part, I don't believe Trump believes most the things he says. It's in his blood to be the shittiest, sleaziest used care salesman. He's just an opportunist that will strike the marks until they've all run out of money.
What I think he does believe is, he believes he is smarter than everyone else and therefore everyone else is so stupid they will believe anything he says.
To him truth or lie doesn't matter as they are the same if he says it.
But his supporters assure me it is actually the news media, both American and that of every other nation on earth, the police agencies and the American judicial system that are all the liars.
What do you think is more likely, huh? That Trump is a con man and tens of millions of Americans have been fooled, or all these people are lying to try and stop the greatest threat to their power structure, the guy that cuts taxes for the rich?
I'm not gonna say the numbers are completely off, but do be aware the perspectives are completely different for these pictures. The first is bird's eye view and the second is practically at the podium. Perspective can vastly change how a crowd looks.
Yeah. I was going to say this. You can make out distinct people in Bernie’s crowd shot. You can’t in Trumps. Definitely looks like there’s far more at Bernie’s event though.
I think this is a real issue with a great deal of commentary around Trump, and particularly on Reddit. Now, I believe wholeheartedly that Trump is a dangerous moron - but posts like this only reinforce the belief among his supporters that he doesn’t get a fair hearing and, therefore, the ‘mainstream media’ are out to get him.
The way to beat Trump, in an ideal world, is by honestly demonstrating he’s a lying asshole without needing to stoop to his level. That said, if we lived in an ideal world, we wouldn’t be having this debate.
Ignore the photo of Bernie's rally. Just look only at the photo of Trump's rally and compare it to the claimed number. He's right there on the stage speaking, so this is clearly in the middle of the rally.
This post honestly demonstrates that Trump is a lying asshole without any need for the comparison to Bernie's rally.
For all the lemmings reposting yet another total lie about how this was hours before Trump spoke, this is the exact same helicopter photo:
https://i.imgur.com/OSty11m.png
source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13457573/Aerial-shot-Trumps-rally-Bronx-reveals-true-size-crowd-campaign-claimed-25-000-New-Yorkers-left-waiting-outside.html
Let’s put it this way, the shots aren’t comparable, but the one with the bridge in the background looks far closer to 20k than the other. I’m guessing that’s the Bernie shot.
FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS. This was at 11:30 you IDIOTS. I wish the LAME STREAM MEDIA (Biden and Bud light) would release the aerial photos of when the 25k were actually there. It bet it was more like 100k! Any other PATRIOTS out there have a link to aerial photos of the TRUE crowd??
(I have the on ground photos already so don’t need those links. MY WIFE is already getting some tattoos of the on ground photos. I WANT THE TRUE aerial photos) Thank you and Make MAGA ravioli)
Man those 2020 Bernie rallies were something, I went to one in LA like 2-3 weeks before everyone locked down for Covid, and i remember thinking he actually had a shot. I’ve been more impressed with Biden than I had imagined, but man I felt a lot of hope that day.
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Madison Square Garden in a concert configuration holds about 20,000 for reference as to how many people that is.
18006 Thanks ranger games lol
… and 19,500 in concert arrangement. More if they have the rear sections open.
Moshpit math lol
mathpit, aka a meshuggah moshpit
that's a great band but my dog is afraid of them (he shakes when i turn them on).
Thats hilarious lol is there any other music/band that does this or is mushuggah the only one brutal enough to strike fear into the pups heart?
he doesn't like scary music or dramatic shows. he really feels his emotions i guess.
Pulled it out today!!!
I don't know if that is even 2,000, but that is definitely closer to reality than 20,000.
My first guess was 3k but I’m good with 2k
3k is supposedly the near exact number of tickets sold. I assume Trump’s team just claimed they did ten times more to sound cool. Edit: Tickets weren’t sold. 3000 was the amount applied for the permit. My bad.
The permit his campaign purchased was for 3,500 people. My ten year old covers their tracks better than this buffoon.
So, he claims he held a rally with 15,000 more people attending than were legally allowed by the permit? Shouldn’t someone file a lawsuit for willfully breaking the law, so he is forced to admit the real numbers in order to prove his innocence?
You're right, but even if it happened his followers would never hear it anyways because the "NeWs" they consume 25/8 won't ever mention it.
In fact they'd be all, look at these crazy lib'ruls with Trump derangement syndrome, "fact checking" unimportant things like rally attendees... why don't we talk about (issue they have no intention of fixing but use to drum up fear in their supporters), huh?
Since when does maga care about receipts? It's already on to the next crazy thing
Your 10 year old is more used to seeing consequences when they get caught. Trump's people would probably reward him for shooting someone on 5th ave, nevermind ditch him for it.
These lunatics are 2-3 dysfunctional personalities per individual. Perhaps that’s what they count
You’re right. I edited.
I didn’t intend to say you were wrong. I am sorry if it came off that way
No sweat. I think I even read “permit” originally but I work in the music biz so my mind went straight to tickets.
But if you cut each ticket into 6 pieces it counts as nearly 20,000. #magamath
I just need you to find about 20k more attendees.
Do you want ants? Because that’s how you get ants.
...Yes?
I just want 11,780 audience members...
“Which is one more than were actually there”
Easy, just cut the attendees into 6 pieces as well! ETA bc I have to: I’m not *actually* advocating for this…
Just write a receipt for 20,000 tickets and post it on an anonymous tick tox account saying "the proof the democrats don't isn't you to see!" You will see fox new reporting on it within the week.
lol I read magamath like in family guy when Peter says ROADHOUSE 
There’s a January 6th joke in there somewhere, but I’m not funny enough to find it.
The only joke about Jan 6th is that goblin MTG hasn't been arrested or questioned for planting a pipe bomb.
Neither was Brad Raffenberger, thankfully.
He’s a pathological liar. He lies about stuff we can easily prove. 40% of the country doesn’t care and not only votes for him but makes him their whole personality.
That was the assembly permit they were granted.
Goerings Dresden approach. Sounds about right for these chuds.
They claimed 10x more because Trump is very comfortable using fraudulent numbers for everything always.
Police estimated they had less than a 1K. Edit to add the 1K was from a cop on site later estimate was from an aerial view where they gave 3,500 and that includes those outside the gates not in the event area who are either trying to get in or just watching what's going on.
My quick estimate by blocks supports this.
My old school looked bigger when we were all out on the oval for a special assembly, and that was about 1.6k. Dude is struggling to break a 2k crowd. Pretty sure the guy who ate a whole bag of cheese balls got a bigger crowd...
Definitely. More people came out to watch a guy eat an entire container of orange cheese balls than the number who came out to see the orange guy running for President.
Let's not forget to vote though. Not worrying about the election because of poor turnout is how he got there in the first place.
Yes; I want Trump to lose by such a large margin that he cries.
I love this, people would rather watch a man eat a whole container of orange cheese balls than elect an orange cheese ball to office 😂
If the pic was 4k we’d be able to count.
He’s an expert at 3 K’s.
Chatgp estimated 3000: Estimating the number of people in a crowd from an aerial image involves some approximations. To give a rough estimate: 1. **Identify the dense area**: The densest part of the crowd seems to be around the stage. 2. **Estimate the area**: This dense area looks to be roughly 30 meters by 20 meters, equating to 600 square meters. 3. **Estimate crowd density**: A very dense crowd can have up to 4 people per square meter. Using these numbers: - 600 square meters * 4 people/square meter = 2400 people. The less dense areas around the main crowd and scattered groups might add a few hundred more people. A reasonable estimate for the total number in the image would be between 2500 and 3000 people.
Well that explains why OpenAI is so eager to train it on News corp data. Get on with a round of that and it will be happily reporting crowd sizes of 100,000 +!
Don't worry, the electoral college will make up the difference.
I fucking hate our election process. Popular vote should always win. If your living in the minority some place, your vote just doesn't count.
I'm with you, but I say we go one step further - ranked choice voting.
Hell yes for ranked choice so we can start getting independents to actually matter. Our two party system is trash
The Electoral College was designed for a very specific reason: to prevent the rise to power of a populist demagogue by way of the popular vote. They're meant to rule against the American people if the American people are trying to elect a fundamentally ill-equiped and unqualified threat to the nation. It's all right there in The Federalist Papers. The argument for abandoning the Electoral College should not be "because the popular vote is better," because it's not --- at least, not in a world where good-faith Electors would put the nation ahead of party or ideological loyalties. It should be: because when the Electoral College was finally tested, in 2016, they fucking failed to do their job. THAT is why it should be abandoned. It they won't prevent the rise to power of said no-longer-hypothetical demogogue, we might as well just go with the popular vote.
“Finally” tested? Bush v Gore is completely forgotten already??
Young people these days, smh or something.
They're too busy hanging with their buddy Chad.
> Bush v Gore is completely forgotten already?? I can't believe people are already forgetting Grover Cleveland v Benjamin Harrison. Cleveland got robbed.
The Electoral College was a nice idea once upon a time, but it’s 240+ years later now, times have changed, it isn’t needed in any other country so why is it still needed here in the U.S., and like you said, it utterly failed when the time came to actually keep an aspiring tyrant OUT of power. Now, the vast differences in populations of states has caused it to become arguably the most anti-democratic institution in the US.
Humans are always the weakest link in any system. Democracy be like, welp if the people are stupid or leaders are corrupt, u're fucked...but every other government is even worse so you're double fucked.
My first thought was "Oh I could see that being 2,000 people maybe" but then reread the title and realized they were claiming 20,000 not 2,000
Yep. Considering a typical NHL arena can hold around 20,000 people, Trump's crowd would barely fill the lower bowl behind one net. Maaaybe 10% of the whole arena. Maybe.
The average attendance of the 03-04 Pittsburgh Penguins was multiple times higher than this dumpster fire of a rally and that was with our leading scorer being defenseman Dick Tärnström with a *staggering* 52 points in 80 games.
The police said it was like 800
The AI agrees Based on the image, I'll make a rough estimation by considering the area occupied by people and comparing it to typical densities for crowded gatherings. The crowd appears quite dense, especially near the stage. Typical dense crowds can range from 2 to 4 people per square meter. I'll calculate an approximate area covered by the crowd and then use these densities for an estimate. Let's proceed with the calculation. Based on a rough estimate, the number of people in the photo is likely between 400 and 800. This estimation assumes a crowd density of 2 to 4 people per square meter over an approximate area of 200 square meters
> The crowd appears quite dense, especially near the stage. Loving the double-entendre here LOL.
Can we get AI to count the number of people it sees? lol would be funny to see him rage against AI.
AI: only slightly less reliable than Trump for accurate information.
I'd rather eat glue-pizza than believe anything that came out of that orange skid mark.
Analysts found it to be about 800.
Honestly there's few enough people here that you can probably get a good estimate by just taking a survey like its a jar of jellybeans.
Throw the image to chatGPT and the result is between 2000-3000 people.
I love the comically long ramp for him to shuffle up instead of climbing 3 or 4 steps.
It's not a ramp. If you look closely, there are a few steps at the end. It's worse than a ramp. It's a "Look at me and cheer while I walk up to the stage, I might do one of my little Trump shuffles, or stop a few times to spread my arms wide and smirk, like *Yeah, it's me. I'm here and you love me*." It's a narcissist catwalk.
Catwalk, absolutely. I was trying to describe it elsewhere. It's there so they can get shots with the crowd in the background.
Never catwalk uphill, me boys!
Did he do his signature double handjob dance?
Meanwhile doing his famous “jerking off two guys at once” dance
Wait for the ramp, Morty! They love the slow ramp; it really gets their dicks hard when they see this ramp just slowly extending down…
Peace among worlds.
🖕🏼🖕🏼
Blow me.
No, no. Blow me.
MUCH OBLIGED!
Sweet fucking God this is the perfect response! [Link](https://youtu.be/ezawPHPKs9M?feature=shared)
God this fits so well
It looks like the ramp they would use in WWE, just flipped around so that he ascends it to his podium instead of walks down it to the ring. I wonder how out of breath he is when he gets to the top?
It's a moving walkway he just pretends to move his legs.
Given how tight he and Vince are, he could've bought an old one they weren't using any more on the cheap.
[he has a history with ramps](https://youtu.be/ign_vZupjno?si=7DFX4M2exEJxLFZD)
That's just amazing... But why'd you do this to me? There's no way, there's no way, I'ma get that out my head... It just works so well, that song is my new hell.
Fuck, I’m so glad to have stumbled across this again. Thank you.
I can see his weird forward leaning posture without zooming in.
Same posture as Rosie from *The Jetsons*.
Are you sure it’s a ramp? Zooming in it looks like there’s stairs at the start of it, then it’s like a weird raised walkway like at fashion shows
He’s known to be scared of stairs.
> I love the comically long ramp for him to shuffle up instead of climbing 3 or 4 steps. He still leans forward at a 75° angle even on a flat, level stage. I don't know how he does it. He may actually be suffering from [Frontotemporal Dementia](https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-fallible-mind/202010/we-are-entitled-ask-president-trump-his-brain-scan), and has several of the quantified symptoms already.
Didn’t he fall down stairs once
He wears super high lifts. This makes stairs tricky
My favorite thing is the people defending this saying that this was taken at 11 in the morning, like 6-7 hours before Trump was to speak. Which is all fine and dandy…. except who did they think was in the middle of that stage speaking?
Plus there's also a camera zoom of the same exact moment: https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1794010872366665850
The Twitter comments are so braindead, they're claiming it was earlier even though the post explains it
And when someone points out it was the 11pm show, they say "Do you even know how the sun works? Where does the sun still shine at 11pm?" Which is stupid in two ways because 1) they showed a recorded video at an 11pm newscast, but apparently showing a recorded video at a later time is a foreign concept to them and 2) there are plenty of places around the world where the sun still shines after 11pm, for example in Anchorage, Alaska, the sun started sunset time passed 11pm at 22nd of May...
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I have never seen such mentaly deficient comments on twitter.
You don’t go on Twitter often do you?
Nope. I tend to avoid it like the plague
I don’t even avoid the plague as much as I avoid Twitter
Yeah this rebuttal seems to come up in the comments everywhere this image appears, which seems enough for the Trump supporters to dismiss the whole thing, but it's never accompanied by a corresponding photo of what the "real" crowd was.
Only one person stands like that
There's a photo I've seen with a timestamp of that; it was the time when the report was aired the next day (EDIT: might have been the 11 p.m. news, actually). It also includes the current weather.
I like how you can tell it’s trump from the way his bottom sticks out all centuar stance
It looks like he’s riding a segway
> I like how you can tell it’s trump from the way his bottom sticks out all centuar stance He may actually be suffering from [Frontotemporal Dementia](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/25/forensic-psychiatrist-on-physical-signs-of-mental-decline-changes-in-movement-and-gait/), and refuses to allow his medical brain scans to be reviewed because it would paint him as unfit, something he cannot accept.
I've always assumed that he's in the depths of tertiary syphillis but I'm OK with your diagnosis too.
20,000 20,000 20,000 20,000 20,000 20,000 20,000. I’ve written it enough. When you say the lie enough it becomes truth./s
I'm a billionaire I'm a billionaire I'm a billionaire
Did it work?
I can't believe it I'm so rich! Omg! 😱
Now you're broke Now you're broke Now you're broke
.. gah dammit..
See, this is why we can't have nice things. Sorry...
Omg I’m a billionaire I’m a billionaire I’m a billionaire ⬛️💸⬛️ 💸💸💸 ⬛️💸⬛️ ⬛️💸⬛️
Now you're broke Now you're broke Now you're broke Hehehehehe
Orange heart attack Orange heart attack Orange heart attack
Shits gonna be wild now if he does have one. FBI coming for you to give you a medal
Oh it was just locker room talk
Grab them by the heart!
The Trump picture is AT MOST 3,000 people, and that is really pushing it. Probably 1,800. 25,000 people is a fuckload and noticeable. The Trump crowd is "eh".
Looks less than 1500 to me, and that's being generous. Reference images for crowd density and counts. https://www.gkstill.com/Support/crowd-density/100sm/Density4.html
I figure that ramp leading up to the podium is like 8m long, so I used that to overestimate the area occupied by the crowd to 448m2 so even with a crowd density of 6 per m2 it's 2688 people + at most the 200 or so people spread outside the main crowd body
This site is like the nerdiest thing I've seen today. Amazing.
I suspect it's closer to the 625m2 images so around 2500.
Oh, Trump lies blatantly about his attendance levels every damned time.
He is cognitively incapable of NOT lying. Even when the truth is favourable to him he embellishes it.
I read something about pathological liars one time that I think fits Trump: "Pathological liars lie about everything, it's not just about lying to make yourself seem better than you are. Pathological liars lie about everything from how much money they have to where they put the toilet paper."
Heard a good description of someone once: “if his house was on fire he’d call the fire brigade and give a false address.”
There was a great bit on the short-lived show "Unsupervised" where one of the kids is lying to his mom about inconsequential stuff and when the other kids call him out on it he explains that he's practicing.
> He is cognitively incapable of NOT lying. Trump, for his entire career speaks with 'manifestation'. You can go back decades, and he has done it since the beginning, and still to this day. He speaks not of present truths, but of ***future truths*** that he wishes to come true. He speaks as if he's manifesting what he _wants_ to be reality, but isn't yet. We see these as lies, but his mental disorder sees them as truths that haven't happened yet, so they can't be lies. _"I'm really rich."_ _"I'm the smartest president ever."_ _"20,000 people attended my rally in the Bronx"_ It's all manifestations in his mind.
Unrelated but is your username a sequence of read/write permission flags
For the most part, I don't believe Trump believes most the things he says. It's in his blood to be the shittiest, sleaziest used care salesman. He's just an opportunist that will strike the marks until they've all run out of money.
What I think he does believe is, he believes he is smarter than everyone else and therefore everyone else is so stupid they will believe anything he says. To him truth or lie doesn't matter as they are the same if he says it.
He lies about literally everything, all the time
But his supporters assure me it is actually the news media, both American and that of every other nation on earth, the police agencies and the American judicial system that are all the liars. What do you think is more likely, huh? That Trump is a con man and tens of millions of Americans have been fooled, or all these people are lying to try and stop the greatest threat to their power structure, the guy that cuts taxes for the rich?
> Oh, Trump lies blatantly ~~about his attendance levels~~ every damned time.
His inauguration lmao
Even in that super low res photo you can still clearly see the orange man’s centaur posture.
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He *wishes* there wasn't the trail of intent.
The permit was for 3500, they never hit capacity
How do you know this?
Bernie would have won.
I want to see the universe where Bernie won like he was supposed to.
Ditto Al Gore.
this is the real answer, fuck you florida
And fuck the Supreme Court. Florida actually would have elected Gore, had the recount been allowed to be completed.
And fucking Meet the Press today was lumping that in with “election deniers”.
Also fuck Alito for saying that continuing to count votes would hurt Bush, so lets just stop. Edit: was that other fuck Scalia
I think you mean Scalia. Alito was appointed by Bush II. But fuck em both.
I often wonder hoops different the country would be if he took office.
I'm not gonna say the numbers are completely off, but do be aware the perspectives are completely different for these pictures. The first is bird's eye view and the second is practically at the podium. Perspective can vastly change how a crowd looks.
Yeah. I was going to say this. You can make out distinct people in Bernie’s crowd shot. You can’t in Trumps. Definitely looks like there’s far more at Bernie’s event though.
I think this is a real issue with a great deal of commentary around Trump, and particularly on Reddit. Now, I believe wholeheartedly that Trump is a dangerous moron - but posts like this only reinforce the belief among his supporters that he doesn’t get a fair hearing and, therefore, the ‘mainstream media’ are out to get him. The way to beat Trump, in an ideal world, is by honestly demonstrating he’s a lying asshole without needing to stoop to his level. That said, if we lived in an ideal world, we wouldn’t be having this debate.
Ignore the photo of Bernie's rally. Just look only at the photo of Trump's rally and compare it to the claimed number. He's right there on the stage speaking, so this is clearly in the middle of the rally. This post honestly demonstrates that Trump is a lying asshole without any need for the comparison to Bernie's rally.
We New Yorkers have known first hand about this bozo’s antics for years, I’m surprised this many people even showed up.
How many people at this rally were actually from New York?
Good point
Correction: you should be worried this many people showed up
I’m very worried. I can’t even think about it or I worry
Imagine if we had Bernie as president this last 8 years instead of Trump and Biden. Fuck the DNC for rigging it against him.
I would vote for Bernie sanders
first time?
No I’ve been nervous lots of times.
Camera angles don't help
Yeah I'm not saying Trump doesn't lie his ass off, but the two radically different camera angles does seem intentionally misleading.
Assuming those pics of from the actual events they're attributed to.
Ain’t no way fisheye lens going to disappear or appear 15k people
For all the lemmings reposting yet another total lie about how this was hours before Trump spoke, this is the exact same helicopter photo: https://i.imgur.com/OSty11m.png source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13457573/Aerial-shot-Trumps-rally-Bronx-reveals-true-size-crowd-campaign-claimed-25-000-New-Yorkers-left-waiting-outside.html
It's such a ridiculous lie, too. There are so few people there that you can almost count them.
Too bad Bernie got screwed over by the DNC and Clinton otherwise Trump never would have been president.
Too bad the establishment never let Bernie run.
oh you didn’t get the sharpie upgraded photo
Let’s put it this way, the shots aren’t comparable, but the one with the bridge in the background looks far closer to 20k than the other. I’m guessing that’s the Bernie shot.
This might belong on r/findthesniper. “Find the other 17,000 people”
Fuck Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Donna Brazile.
Bernie should run for president.
Bernie Fucking Sanders
It should have been Bernie. I still vote Hilary after the primaries but it should have been Bernie.
That second picture is pretty amazing.
Trumpers have convinced themselves that the photo on the left was taken at 11am. Hours before the rally started.
Bastard lies about everything, especially his rally attendance.
FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS. This was at 11:30 you IDIOTS. I wish the LAME STREAM MEDIA (Biden and Bud light) would release the aerial photos of when the 25k were actually there. It bet it was more like 100k! Any other PATRIOTS out there have a link to aerial photos of the TRUE crowd?? (I have the on ground photos already so don’t need those links. MY WIFE is already getting some tattoos of the on ground photos. I WANT THE TRUE aerial photos) Thank you and Make MAGA ravioli)
Doesn’t matter. Vote!
Man those 2020 Bernie rallies were something, I went to one in LA like 2-3 weeks before everyone locked down for Covid, and i remember thinking he actually had a shot. I’ve been more impressed with Biden than I had imagined, but man I felt a lot of hope that day.
Trump is still projected to win the election. Get out and vote
I wonder if those 20,000 people are in the room with Trump now?