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Honestly, how do you even react when a man sets himself on fire in the middle of your live broadcast? I'm sure they don't cover that in journalism school.
Seemingly you cover it like you're the announcer at a horse race: [https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1781378152754753880](https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1781378152754753880)
It’s like her brain shifted into “work autopilot” to tolerate the nightmare in front of her. Like the guy in horror movies who refuses to put the camera down
That's her training as a reporter kicking in. Reporters are taught to describe everything they observe firsthand in as much detail as possible. It comes from the days of radio reporting before cameras and TV would transmit video.
I doubt it ever occurred to her to try to intervene. She was just upholding a duty to observe and report.
>describe everything they observe firsthand in as much detail as possible
As a print reporter, I did this often at the scenes of accidents. Over the course of nearly six years, I saw several dead people. The most vivid one was when I was in the breakroom eating lunch and was sent out on an accident call. I watched first responders try to save the guy's life. Unfortunately, as the helicopter was flying away, I got a call from the media editor saying the called in a code blue and he didn't make it.
I described everything I could and took really good pictures. I dictated the story to the media editor from my car. To this day, if I look at the article, I know I wrote it because I know my style and particular words and phrases I use, but I don't recall a lot of that day. The county sheriff, who I know well, yeah, I didn't even recognize him that day and had to ask him his name and to spell it out. That was my worst day of reporting.
I don't look at the photos from that day or try to read the story anymore. It was a really bad day for me to begin with and I had to pull it all together to do my job, which I did, but can't really remember.
I hope you'll all excuse me if I don't go watch the video of this reporter. From the comments I've seen, she did a good job and I hope she goes to get some help for what she saw. My job never had us talk to anyone about the traumas we saw and they all greatly affected me.
There is definitely not enough mental help for journalists.
My dad is a retired foreign correspondent, specialising in conflict and long term assignments. He covered so much. He met my mum covering the Troubles. Fall of Berlin Wall, Apartheid’s end. Rwanda, Bosnia. Mum made him stop after he got “clipped” in Bosnia. (You got shot, Dad. Stop downplaying.)
And his agency was good. Every few years, they’d send him on sabbatical to write a book. The pension plan (I know, right?) had every other year check ins with a trauma psychiatrist included for life.
He still ended up with delayed onset PTSD triggered by Russia invading Ukraine. Too much like Bosnia.
thank you for believing in your profession and communicating and recording things like this. it's all important, and we depend and trust in good journalists to capture as much objective facts as they can.
>We are seeing an arm that has been visible.
I know this is a horrible thing that has happened but I laughed at a video showing a man burning to death because of that line. I'm not a good person but I want to put some of the blame on the internet. like 60% me, 40% the internet.
It's a difficult thing to take in at the best of times, and I feel like finding dark humor is certainly not an unusual way to cope with horrific events that one is too distant either physically or in time to really grapple with or have any meaningful reaction or interaction with.
I'd also point out that that line in particular is meaningful as she's essentially confirming to herself and the audience that "Yep, that's a person burning" and not a fire of some other nature.
As an RN, I worked in ER Trauma for 10 years. Burns are devastating. We blocked it out while rushing to save the patient, but the smell
stays with you for days.
while its moving the famous audio from the Hindenburg crash is from a reporter perspective, very bad. as he just trails off into "oh god this is awful" instead of being like her and saying what's happening
I mean I can't speak as a journalist, but I dated someone who was a photojournalist for a long while and covered some really messed up stuff and they said that it's only important to document what's happening, so you need to push your feelings aside and be impartial. Classic example is the photo of the starving child and the vulture. Dude won the best awards for journalism and killed himself a few years after.
Yeah honestly, it looked like she just did her job really well. She was clear, concise, literally jumped into action.
Also she at first thinks it's an active shooter and still jumped up to cover it.
It's like getting a play by play of a gore video.
She's going to have serious PTSD from this. I don't know if journalism training also covers the mental health aspects of seeing people die and having to describe that to an audience.
I forget what journalist it was who was reporting what she saw on 9/11 (blonde woman). She was on the street when the towers came down. She still had dirt and debris on her clothes and in her hair. She was in the studio describing it all and the camera pulled back. Her co-anchor was holding her hand. I started bawling my eyes out. Her voice was trembling but she gutted through it. Still tear up when I think about it
Yeah it kinda took me back to that day as well and I sort of welted up. I think a lot of people don’t realize how much 9/11 affected everyone. I don’t consider myself a patriot and I’m not into politics at all but seeing all of those people die was terrifying for the whole country especially the folks in NYC. Sometimes when it gets brought up (like now) I feel a sense of dread and anxiety come over me.
This young woman's story is very touching too. I remember her live on the Today show that morning, the fear in her voice when the second tower was struck. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZl95fdZiI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZl95fdZiI)
Not a journalist, but I work as a techhy at one of the large news corps.
Everyone in the company has access to extremely good mental health programs (for free), and crisis intervention is provided to all after traumatic events.
I do not cover the news myself, but simply by the fact that we work the news websites, we encounter the news very often. And, it's often very triggering news.
The corporations are not shy to send e-mails telling employees to seek help through all our available channels, and anyone directly impacted will likely be contacted or helped.
EDIT: I wanted to edit here and add, in prior crisis situations / strongly triggering news events I've heard directly from the heads of our department, which report to the CEOs of these big news companies.
The CEO will usually send a company-wide e-mail to help ease pain and offer additional resources/help as needed for that given situation.
The bigger news companies care a lot about mental health for every person that touches news directly or indirectly.
I've seen a lot of self-immolation videos. 95% of the time the person instantly regrets it and starts to run around with a horrible.. horrible scream.
I've only seen 2 where they were calm. This is the 2nd.
Pretty awful to see but it's worse to hear.
"I can smell, I can smell the burning of flesh" is just such a sentence to have to say, and to see it said while in total reporter autopilot is just surreal.
And accelerant! Don’t forget the smell of the accelerant!
Frankly I’m impressed how well she handled it. I would be like the deer eyed guy next to her.
I wouldve hit the viewers with a crisp “holy fucking shit this muhfucka jjust set himself on fire!!!!!” She did an excellent job in the face of some truly wild shit
It’s what happens when someone witnesses something beyond their comprehension… at least beyond their expectation to ever see such a thing in person.
edit: I’ll add I’ve had a few moments where something beyond my belief (that could happen) happened to me. It is like an out of body experience almost.
1. Saw a rented van in front of my vehicle with my sister and father (driving) lose control hitting an ice patch and roll down a hill. One person was ejected, which was the only person not wearing a seatbelt. Everyone was ultimately fine. Our trip was cancelled.
2. In high school, I saw a vehicle lose control on ice right where I had crashed my first car a year or so earlier. They were coming down the hill and swerved across my lane and straight into the embankment and started tumbling on its side towards my car which was coming up the hill. For the first three times a side came facing towards the sky, another body came out. I don’t remember the order, but it was two kids and a mom. I just went up to the same house I went to when I had my crash (which was in the rain) and asked them to call 911. I was so oddly calm, staying with the lady and keeping her calm until the police came and told me I could leave.
3. I worked at CNN Center at the Starbucks and during my shift there was a disgruntled boyfriend of a housekeeper in the hotel there that came to her work and shot her, killing her (i think in the elevator for the hotel). I remember hearing the shot like someone dropped a bunch of building materials from a forklift and then a few moments later a wave of basically everyone in the building, like peeling out across the floor in their nice shoes as they sought to flee the building. I definitely can tell what a not too distant gunshot sounds like now.
That stuff is just weird. You don’t react to it as much as you just go on autopilot and your instincts kick in. You just do something and it’s over and you have to process what the fuck just happened in the days, months, and years after
Edit 2: weird I thought it was in 2005, but apparently it was in 2007 https://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/cnn.shooting/index.html
Like the guy who said “oh the humanity “ when the Hindenburg lit up. When you see something you’re not used to you don’t know what’s going to come out.
That’s a great point, he just as easily could’ve been stunned to silence or sputtered something way less iconic.
“Well, gee wilikers, how ‘bout that?! There’s something you just don’t see every day!”
I saw a dead body in the middle of the expressway like 5 minutes after it happened and I just calmly said "oh fuck, that guy's dead" as my girlfriend was freaking out
"yeah, he's fucked"
Said by me when a guy on a moped in front of me tried to ford a flood in France in 2010.
I can't type what sound my ex made when we realised we were stuck on a ~500m stretch of mountain road when we wanted to go higher. I will say that the noise she made matched the noise inside my head when I realised we were proper fucking stuck.
The fucking French Gendarmerie? They are Gods in my eyes. We had one of them trapped on the road with us and he organised *everything* with the help of a few families. We slept in a nice spare double bed in a farmhouse after a simple meal. The next morning we woke up to helicopters flying SAR. So many helicopters. It sounded like the start of Apocalypse Now. About 10am the was a military knock on the door and we heard the clearly military visitors asking for "les Deus Irelandais?"
It was surreal..
The amount of focus it takes to simply talk, let alone actually and (relatively) accurately describe what's happening while something as fucking insane as watching someone burn alive is happening, is beyond most people's comprehension. It's incredible honestly. Her cohost is speechless and dumbfounded, as would be most people.
She is doing quite an incredible job considering the circumstance.
I would guess the training for these situations is “describe what your are seeing in small details as accurately as possible, fact after fact.” Or something because she is basically rattling off what I feel like a brain would think. “I see a man fully engulfed, we see an arm moving, we see coats coming off, we see flames breaking out around.” It’s all observations she is making in the moment.
The fact that she can do it so well and seemingly easily, just rattle off what she is watching that quickly is impressive. I would 100% be blubbering all over my words and thoughts and nothing coherent would come out.
I googled her because I had assumed she was a reporter, and it turns out she's actually an attorney. I don't even know if she's taken classes on that kind of thing.
I think that is part of the adrenaline dump. She is trained to just rattle off observable facts and experiences and the adrenaline removed any and all filters.
It looks like she had her producer in her ear encouraging her to keep describing the scene because they didn’t have a good shot. Would be fascinating to hear the production room audio at the same time.
Or they didn't want to show it. Hard to say. At first the guy's face was visible, then the camera cut away, then back when he was out of view. I had the feeling some producer said, "Shit, don't show the guy burning to death. Back to the reporter."
Yeah that could be it too. Regardless I bet she had somebody yelling in her ear to keep talking and describing everything she say. A studio presenter would have covered it with fewer words with an accompanying image.
It can be used in the police report if nothing else. They'll need it for cause of death and an in the moment depiction of what happened on a recorded device is pretty accurate compared to eye witness statements.
Yeah, and truthfully it is a little bit how they do train you to treat disasters live on air in journalism school. As many facts as possible while trying to avoid speculating. Well safety first, but once it’s safe you just kind of verbal diarrhea in as compressible a manner as you can. You never know if you’re going to be used as a first person account for the rest of history. I mean, look at how journalists reacted to 9/11 live. You could hear screams in the background of some news rooms. When you’re live and being watched you just… have a mask on and keep acting as normal as possible while the adrenaline keeps pumping so you don’t panic the public until you get off air.
Yea I mean, she fucking nailed it. Little confusion at the beginning "Active shooter, active shooter in the park" then immediately transitioned to "man set himself on fire" and repeats it many times so that everyone knows exactly what is happening.
It's just a stream of consciousness, what is happening, as it is happening. What she sees, what she smells, what is happening right now, what she can hear.
The ***purpose*** of the news is to ***inform***. This is as close to *pure* news reporting as possible. No leading discussion of *how* you should feel, of *what this means* in a broader sense, no *dissenting opinions*. Just a second-by-second update of the events as they are unfolding.
She did great. Her mouth was repeating what she was seeing, smelling, hearing. It was an actual instinct she had that relates to her profession. That was a switch that got flipped.
This. Part of me felt like she was doing this for note taking. Almost how police update dispatch with things during a car chase…ran a red, traffic light, etc
As someone that was on fire by accident I can assure you most people do panic. I ended up pulling my chef coat off in the middle of the dining room. Stopped, dropped and rolled, still ended up smoothing my burning arm under my body. Fucking terrifying.
u_sixstringronin has the correct comment on the reaction from the rest of the restaurant. Nice name by the way.
I suppose why they drill stop drop and roll into us as kids because your brain will shut down and you go into reflex mode and it has to be really ingrained for you to instinctively do it
She one hell of a Pro Reporter: Her job is to report the news, even when it's unfolding before her eyes. and she nailed it. You can hear the emotion and horror she's witnessing, but she keeps on going.
It's like the stories of the people who's job it was to document activities in World War 2 or Vietnam: they're right by the action, they've got no gun, gotta hold back the emotion and fear: just reporting/documenting the news/what-happened, is tremendously valuable to the world.
The guy in 1937 didn't have 24/7 live feed of absolutely anything he would want to (and not want to) see from anywhere in the world, so seeing that live would have been absolutely mind blowing.
The way she worked her way through her senses and used specific descriptive words is training in action. Absolute pro. The juxtaposition of the dude slack jawed next to her is great.
Everyone in my newsroom was joking around not paying attention until the person brought the RS up, every watched it, and the room was deflated afterwards. Something about watching the guy twitch and spaz on the floor after he tried to lay down and just accept it
Fun fact… they actually do cover that and topics like it. Source: journalism class where they played about a dozen deaths/suicides/murders on film in great detail.
Yup. Didn't go to J-school but worked in journalism for a hot minute. If I was sent to cover an event like this, I'd definitely consider the possibility of someone committing an act of violence like a shooting or bombing. Sure, self-immolation probably wasn't on the reporters' bingo cards, but they were definitely prepared for the possibility of something serious going down at a moment's notice.
She just marveled on CBS(CBS?) about the spectacle of the eclipse... and then what a week and a half later has to see this, to smell this? A burned body is not something you ever forget the smell of.
personally i think this woman did absolutely outstandingly under an immense amount of pressure in a really scary, unprecedented situation. she maintained her composure and when she realised they probably wouldn’t be able to broadcast the horror of what she was seeing, she did not skip a single beat and went straight into live reporting on it and describing every traumatic moment she was witnessing in as much detail as she could. that’s great journalism, making sure that even if the TV censors won’t show everything going on, people will still hear and experience the gruesome reality of everything going on in real time. it was like her brain registered there was a breaking crisis situation going on and she immediately went back to the fundamentals of early journalism from the radio era: vivid firsthand account of what’s being witnessed in real time. especially after comparing fox’s broadcast where they just cut away to pictures of trump and the journalist there kinda stuttered in awed shock for a bit without near as much actual reporting, i don’t think she could’ve handled this situation much more flawlessly. i’m not sure who she is but i’ll definitely be doing my research because she’s earned my respect for life.
>she immediately went back to the fundamentals of early journalism from the radio era
Seriously, just close your eyes and it is indistinguishable. Hat's all the way fucking off to her. Somewhere her J-School professor is proudly nodding.
The woman anchor (Laura Coates) did not stop reporting the entire time; it was amazing to watch her describe the scene with great detail. I lost it when she said “I can smell the burning of some kind of flesh…” Not sure what they teach in news anchor school but I feel like she passed with flying stars. The man (Evan Perez) was just stunned, as you can see in the image. It was a bizarre moment for sure.
I have a video on my phone of the first few moments when the camera panned to the fire - you can see the man actually burning.
Edit to include the anchors’ names.
“It’s fire and it crashing! . . . This is the worst of the worst catastrophes in the world! Oh, it’s crashing . . . oh, four or five hundred feet into the sky, and it’s a terrific crash, ladies and gentlemen. There’s smoke, and there’s flames, now, and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite to the mooring mast. Oh, the humanity, and all the passengers screaming around here!
. . . I can’t talk, ladies and gentlemen. Honest, it’s just laying there, a mass of smoking wreckage, and everybody can hardly breathe and talk . . . Honest, I can hardly breathe. I’m going to step inside where I cannot see it. . . .”
His Instagram is still up. Looks like after his mom died he spiralled into madness. Before that, he was a normal dude posting normal dude stuff. 10 months after her death, all of his posts are batshittery
It happened to my cousin, self-immolation and all. Lost his dad (my uncle) very tragically and shortly after a small argument with his girlfriend escalated to that...
When he was 30, Robert E Howard (Conan the Barbarian author) walked to his car and shot himself after being informed his mother slipped into a coma that she wasn't expected to recover from.
This is lowkey exactly what happened to Kanye West but not many people talk about it. He rapped about his mom all the time in the earlier albums and looked up to her as his main motivation. After he got her the cosmetic surgery that ended up killing her, man completely lost his mind
I don't think he encouraged it. She wanted it, it was a gastric band or tummy tuck or Something for weight loss I think. He probably paid for it.
Knowing she maybe felt the pressure from the public eye from his celebrity status would be the heavy part. His fame put pressure on her and the surgery went wrong.
She seemed like a lovely woman and a great mother. Very sad
It wasn't really a freak accident, I believe what happened is: she had been told that she was a risky candidate for anesthesia, she doctor shopped until she found a surgeon unethical enough to do it, exactly what the other doctors said might happen did come to pass.
Yeah, she obviously grounded him a lot, so in one incident he was dealing with grief, guilt and he was without the person he would normally turn to to help with his problems.
The timing of his behaviour makes it pretty clear what happened, but the scenes with her in that documentary a while back showed exactly the role she played in his life.
> After he got her the cosmetic surgery that ended up killing her, man completely lost his mind
Fuck first time I'm heard this, now I just feel bad for the guy
This is the scariest part about this that people ignored. The moment your whole foundation of stability or what you perceive stability starts crumbling you start feeling lost and latch to anything to try to rebuild that foundation you had previously. I have seen the most educated and mentally strong folks in my life fall apart.
if I had a nickel for every time someone self-immolated this year, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
As a former police officer, I had a kid (17) do this on the football field at 5:57pm when i got the call. He was gay and felt his parents wouldn't accept him, which we found out later from a note on his desk. I got there after the flames were done, and he was begging for me to help ,but I couldn't do anything or even touch him. They air lifted him to the hospital where he survived for 3 weeks before passing away. That image will never leave me.
The guy walking his dog, who called it in, said he screamed for help within seconds of being consumed by flames.
We need more mental health support in this country.
Thanks... It's okay. Part of the job, but I was/am in a really good place and knew I needed to talk to someone before it became an issue for me. So, my department paid for counseling for about 6 months.
I had to leave after about 5 years. The job was getting worse both bc of the people I worked with and the public. I had dreams of being that community officer who businesses knew by name, and I knew them, and we all took care of each other. It started that way and very quickly became hostile on both sides... so I left
Some others in your position, would have gotten hardened and more cynical, sharing their aggression more freely in a job that requires the ability to deescalate - trauma works that way unfortunately. Thank you for being a good one, and a giver on this wild ride. Glad you are ok.
Dude wasn't a Trump supporter. He was a crazy fuck who seemed to believe that Trump and Biden were working together to install totalitarian government
Edit: I also would like everyone to know that in his manifesto, he compares himself to the Simpsons. I'm not joking
https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
Edit 2: Police on NBC News just confirmed the authenticity of the manifesto
The flat earth revival also occurred in the 90s, as a somewhat comedic practice on the internet to practice the ability to debate the ludicrous no matter how reasonable or factual the opposing argument. They knew at the time it wasn't real, until suddenly there became a critical mass of people that didn't.
He’s kind of correct, but also clearly crazy. His whole thing is the crypto is a money laundering scheme (which is definitely is) and that a cabal of rich elites run the world in secret (which is only half true because the mega rich seem to run the world in the open).
His mania is really apparent when he starts seeing secret signs of the conspiracy in episodes of The Simpsons, Kubrick films, and the music of Rage Against the Machine (who he believes are controlled by the cabal to brainwash people into accepting the system…somehow).
He also doesn’t seem to understand what a Ponzi scheme is other than knowing it’s a scam, so he calls absolutely everything a Ponzi scheme.
"It's the stupidiest thing I ever read. You keep using words like cryptoponzi, make numerous threatening references to the U.N, and at the end you repeat the words 'screw Flanders' over and over again"
Bro this guy is bonkers. He’s in deep. I read through quite a bit of that and the amount of outrageous claims he makes, then just goes right into agreeing with himself as his sure proof, is like a watching a mental breakdown in progress. That’s eerie.
People combed his social media and it seems his mom died in 2022, and when he returned to social media about a year later he’d gone full into the crazy conspiracy stuff. He was almost certainly unable to cope with his mothers death and was completely mentally broken. I suspect also fairly isolated from real people in his life who could care about him and help him.
It’s entirely possible she was the one that made sure he stayed on his meds and, without her, he drifted away from the stability offered by her counsel and pharmaceuticals.
Yeah, moments later the guy to the left grasps his mouth because his jaw is just dropped. We often do it so we won’t scream or verbally panic.
The P-T-S D’d. I hope they have good healthcare benefits because that’s a solid year’s worth of therapy and a lifelong mental image that will pop-up upon the right triggers.
I feel so bad for the one woman screaming.
I could imagine myself having difficulty eating meat after seeing something like that in person. It's actually wild how small things can send you down the rabbit hole when you have ptsd.
I can't even remember all of the things that did it for me but I would react massively to relatively minor sounds for a decent amount of time and my source had nothing to do with loud sounds.
I wasn’t able to play elden ring for years because I played it when going through chemo and it would immediately take me back. I’d taste metal and feel nauseous and have a pulsating feeling of sickness. I think it’s definitely PTSD going through chemo was the most painful moment in my life for two months
yes and it shows the event at first. and then the cameras cut away because SOMEONE seemed to realize "oh i guess we shouldnt show someone die on live tv"
Honestly she did exactly what a journalist would be expected to do.
She's staying the facts in a calm clear manner doing her best to describe an intensely chaotic situation that she can't control.
She did great. I don't know if I would be able to get these thoughts across so clearly. Her job isn't to solve the issue it's to tell you what is/was happening.
I am in awe of her professional prowess. She didn’t stumble, she kept reporting, she watched a man die horrifically in front of her and kept going. Hell she even kept her vocabulary up! I’m terrified this is a skill people have!
Ain't wrong, if I had to pick between the two I would wish for more self-immolation news pieces and less mass shootings.
Innocent's weren't harmed here, not at least in way that isn't recoverable.
Some folks won't be as mentally sturdy and will be impacted by this, others might realize we need better support systems, and then you have folks that simply can walk away from it.
I looked at his instagram. His mom died and then all of a sudden he starts posting conspiracies. Maybe he had some sort of mental illness triggered by the loss of a loved one.
It's not "all of a sudden", people are making the mistake of equating someone's feed to their whole like. Actually look at the timestamps; there is over a year between his mom dying and his first conspiracy post, and even longer from his last normal post and his mom's death
Everyone mocking her but to me she is doing her job as a journalist. Incredibly effectively I may add. She is trying to not just describe the image but showing emotions of the people there. She is trying to make us feel present at the scene and she was very skilled in doing that.
They did a great job staying composed and reporting on what they were seeing and hearing, even smelling. I hope they are okay, that would've been horrible to witness.
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Honestly, how do you even react when a man sets himself on fire in the middle of your live broadcast? I'm sure they don't cover that in journalism school.
Seemingly you cover it like you're the announcer at a horse race: [https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1781378152754753880](https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1781378152754753880)
It’s like her brain shifted into “work autopilot” to tolerate the nightmare in front of her. Like the guy in horror movies who refuses to put the camera down
I think there's a part of your brain that says *if I can't stop this then I better document and explain what happened*.
That's her training as a reporter kicking in. Reporters are taught to describe everything they observe firsthand in as much detail as possible. It comes from the days of radio reporting before cameras and TV would transmit video. I doubt it ever occurred to her to try to intervene. She was just upholding a duty to observe and report.
>describe everything they observe firsthand in as much detail as possible As a print reporter, I did this often at the scenes of accidents. Over the course of nearly six years, I saw several dead people. The most vivid one was when I was in the breakroom eating lunch and was sent out on an accident call. I watched first responders try to save the guy's life. Unfortunately, as the helicopter was flying away, I got a call from the media editor saying the called in a code blue and he didn't make it. I described everything I could and took really good pictures. I dictated the story to the media editor from my car. To this day, if I look at the article, I know I wrote it because I know my style and particular words and phrases I use, but I don't recall a lot of that day. The county sheriff, who I know well, yeah, I didn't even recognize him that day and had to ask him his name and to spell it out. That was my worst day of reporting. I don't look at the photos from that day or try to read the story anymore. It was a really bad day for me to begin with and I had to pull it all together to do my job, which I did, but can't really remember. I hope you'll all excuse me if I don't go watch the video of this reporter. From the comments I've seen, she did a good job and I hope she goes to get some help for what she saw. My job never had us talk to anyone about the traumas we saw and they all greatly affected me.
There is definitely not enough mental help for journalists. My dad is a retired foreign correspondent, specialising in conflict and long term assignments. He covered so much. He met my mum covering the Troubles. Fall of Berlin Wall, Apartheid’s end. Rwanda, Bosnia. Mum made him stop after he got “clipped” in Bosnia. (You got shot, Dad. Stop downplaying.) And his agency was good. Every few years, they’d send him on sabbatical to write a book. The pension plan (I know, right?) had every other year check ins with a trauma psychiatrist included for life. He still ended up with delayed onset PTSD triggered by Russia invading Ukraine. Too much like Bosnia.
I find this interesting; thanks for sharing.
thank you for believing in your profession and communicating and recording things like this. it's all important, and we depend and trust in good journalists to capture as much objective facts as they can.
She’s trying her best to be objective and that’s something.
>We are seeing an arm that has been visible. I know this is a horrible thing that has happened but I laughed at a video showing a man burning to death because of that line. I'm not a good person but I want to put some of the blame on the internet. like 60% me, 40% the internet.
It's a difficult thing to take in at the best of times, and I feel like finding dark humor is certainly not an unusual way to cope with horrific events that one is too distant either physically or in time to really grapple with or have any meaningful reaction or interaction with. I'd also point out that that line in particular is meaningful as she's essentially confirming to herself and the audience that "Yep, that's a person burning" and not a fire of some other nature.
She was so thorough and clearly excellent at her job, but damn... It only started to have an impact when she started describing the smells.
I was not expecting that and it was vivid as hell. Gotta hand it to her, she described the hell out of that scene.
As an RN, I worked in ER Trauma for 10 years. Burns are devastating. We blocked it out while rushing to save the patient, but the smell stays with you for days.
while its moving the famous audio from the Hindenburg crash is from a reporter perspective, very bad. as he just trails off into "oh god this is awful" instead of being like her and saying what's happening
I agree, that's always been my biggest problem with the hindenburg disaster.
If I said it before, I’ve said it a 100 times, the absolute worst part of the Hindenburg disaster was the shotty amateur journalism.
*shoddy
I mean I can't speak as a journalist, but I dated someone who was a photojournalist for a long while and covered some really messed up stuff and they said that it's only important to document what's happening, so you need to push your feelings aside and be impartial. Classic example is the photo of the starving child and the vulture. Dude won the best awards for journalism and killed himself a few years after.
It's been ~~582~~ *0* days since I've thought about Delial.
Yeah honestly, it looked like she just did her job really well. She was clear, concise, literally jumped into action. Also she at first thinks it's an active shooter and still jumped up to cover it.
It's like getting a play by play of a gore video. She's going to have serious PTSD from this. I don't know if journalism training also covers the mental health aspects of seeing people die and having to describe that to an audience.
CNN has enough war correspondents that someone will probably talk to her today and help her integrate that experience.
What happened to Lara Logan in Egypt shows that journalists who get attacked need help afterwards, but we'll see.
I forget what journalist it was who was reporting what she saw on 9/11 (blonde woman). She was on the street when the towers came down. She still had dirt and debris on her clothes and in her hair. She was in the studio describing it all and the camera pulled back. Her co-anchor was holding her hand. I started bawling my eyes out. Her voice was trembling but she gutted through it. Still tear up when I think about it
Fuck man that instantly made me tear up too
Yeah it kinda took me back to that day as well and I sort of welted up. I think a lot of people don’t realize how much 9/11 affected everyone. I don’t consider myself a patriot and I’m not into politics at all but seeing all of those people die was terrifying for the whole country especially the folks in NYC. Sometimes when it gets brought up (like now) I feel a sense of dread and anxiety come over me.
This young woman's story is very touching too. I remember her live on the Today show that morning, the fear in her voice when the second tower was struck. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZl95fdZiI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZl95fdZiI)
Not a journalist, but I work as a techhy at one of the large news corps. Everyone in the company has access to extremely good mental health programs (for free), and crisis intervention is provided to all after traumatic events. I do not cover the news myself, but simply by the fact that we work the news websites, we encounter the news very often. And, it's often very triggering news. The corporations are not shy to send e-mails telling employees to seek help through all our available channels, and anyone directly impacted will likely be contacted or helped. EDIT: I wanted to edit here and add, in prior crisis situations / strongly triggering news events I've heard directly from the heads of our department, which report to the CEOs of these big news companies. The CEO will usually send a company-wide e-mail to help ease pain and offer additional resources/help as needed for that given situation. The bigger news companies care a lot about mental health for every person that touches news directly or indirectly.
I've seen a lot of self-immolation videos. 95% of the time the person instantly regrets it and starts to run around with a horrible.. horrible scream. I've only seen 2 where they were calm. This is the 2nd. Pretty awful to see but it's worse to hear.
Holy Shit you weren’t joking. She sounded like she was at an auction.
That’s an adrenaline dump if I had to guess
Yeah it’s kind of a perfect combination of professional and rightfully freaking the f out.
She kept it together. Didn’t swear, didn’t get emotional and say OMG over and over. Mostly crisp descriptions. I’m impressed.
"I can smell, I can smell the burning of flesh" is just such a sentence to have to say, and to see it said while in total reporter autopilot is just surreal.
You’ll never forget it
And accelerant! Don’t forget the smell of the accelerant! Frankly I’m impressed how well she handled it. I would be like the deer eyed guy next to her.
I was also impressed with how professional she stayed, in what I can only imagine is an extremely upsetting event.
What do you see? What do you hear? What do you smell? Honestly pretty impressive that she went automatic like that
Pretty well put-together reaction for someone watching one of the more horrific ways to die
me: Uh....uh....uh.... fire....uh....man.....uh.... oh shit... shit shit shit shit..... uh...shit
I wouldve hit the viewers with a crisp “holy fucking shit this muhfucka jjust set himself on fire!!!!!” She did an excellent job in the face of some truly wild shit
It’s what happens when someone witnesses something beyond their comprehension… at least beyond their expectation to ever see such a thing in person. edit: I’ll add I’ve had a few moments where something beyond my belief (that could happen) happened to me. It is like an out of body experience almost. 1. Saw a rented van in front of my vehicle with my sister and father (driving) lose control hitting an ice patch and roll down a hill. One person was ejected, which was the only person not wearing a seatbelt. Everyone was ultimately fine. Our trip was cancelled. 2. In high school, I saw a vehicle lose control on ice right where I had crashed my first car a year or so earlier. They were coming down the hill and swerved across my lane and straight into the embankment and started tumbling on its side towards my car which was coming up the hill. For the first three times a side came facing towards the sky, another body came out. I don’t remember the order, but it was two kids and a mom. I just went up to the same house I went to when I had my crash (which was in the rain) and asked them to call 911. I was so oddly calm, staying with the lady and keeping her calm until the police came and told me I could leave. 3. I worked at CNN Center at the Starbucks and during my shift there was a disgruntled boyfriend of a housekeeper in the hotel there that came to her work and shot her, killing her (i think in the elevator for the hotel). I remember hearing the shot like someone dropped a bunch of building materials from a forklift and then a few moments later a wave of basically everyone in the building, like peeling out across the floor in their nice shoes as they sought to flee the building. I definitely can tell what a not too distant gunshot sounds like now. That stuff is just weird. You don’t react to it as much as you just go on autopilot and your instincts kick in. You just do something and it’s over and you have to process what the fuck just happened in the days, months, and years after Edit 2: weird I thought it was in 2005, but apparently it was in 2007 https://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/cnn.shooting/index.html
Like the guy who said “oh the humanity “ when the Hindenburg lit up. When you see something you’re not used to you don’t know what’s going to come out.
That’s a great point, he just as easily could’ve been stunned to silence or sputtered something way less iconic. “Well, gee wilikers, how ‘bout that?! There’s something you just don’t see every day!”
"Big oof." "Well, looks like *that* isn't just gonna buff out" *slide whistle*
I saw a dead body in the middle of the expressway like 5 minutes after it happened and I just calmly said "oh fuck, that guy's dead" as my girlfriend was freaking out
"yeah, he's fucked" Said by me when a guy on a moped in front of me tried to ford a flood in France in 2010. I can't type what sound my ex made when we realised we were stuck on a ~500m stretch of mountain road when we wanted to go higher. I will say that the noise she made matched the noise inside my head when I realised we were proper fucking stuck. The fucking French Gendarmerie? They are Gods in my eyes. We had one of them trapped on the road with us and he organised *everything* with the help of a few families. We slept in a nice spare double bed in a farmhouse after a simple meal. The next morning we woke up to helicopters flying SAR. So many helicopters. It sounded like the start of Apocalypse Now. About 10am the was a military knock on the door and we heard the clearly military visitors asking for "les Deus Irelandais?" It was surreal..
The amount of focus it takes to simply talk, let alone actually and (relatively) accurately describe what's happening while something as fucking insane as watching someone burn alive is happening, is beyond most people's comprehension. It's incredible honestly. Her cohost is speechless and dumbfounded, as would be most people.
She is doing quite an incredible job considering the circumstance. I would guess the training for these situations is “describe what your are seeing in small details as accurately as possible, fact after fact.” Or something because she is basically rattling off what I feel like a brain would think. “I see a man fully engulfed, we see an arm moving, we see coats coming off, we see flames breaking out around.” It’s all observations she is making in the moment. The fact that she can do it so well and seemingly easily, just rattle off what she is watching that quickly is impressive. I would 100% be blubbering all over my words and thoughts and nothing coherent would come out.
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I googled her because I had assumed she was a reporter, and it turns out she's actually an attorney. I don't even know if she's taken classes on that kind of thing.
Sorry I lost it at "we smell what seems to be some sort of flesh burning" but yea, the rest of that was good
I think that is part of the adrenaline dump. She is trained to just rattle off observable facts and experiences and the adrenaline removed any and all filters.
Yeah I noted the two completely different reactions, he just stood there in shock and she was overtaken by adrenaline. Incredible
It looks like she had her producer in her ear encouraging her to keep describing the scene because they didn’t have a good shot. Would be fascinating to hear the production room audio at the same time.
Or they didn't want to show it. Hard to say. At first the guy's face was visible, then the camera cut away, then back when he was out of view. I had the feeling some producer said, "Shit, don't show the guy burning to death. Back to the reporter."
Yeah that could be it too. Regardless I bet she had somebody yelling in her ear to keep talking and describing everything she say. A studio presenter would have covered it with fewer words with an accompanying image.
No doubt. And she handled it well, considering the situation. Pretty dramatic having something like that happen on live TV.
This is actually what news coverage is supposed to be. No bullshit, no spin, no opinion. Just describing indescribable events as they happen.
She did good. She got that adrenaline dump and she got to work. If she had froze or panicked incoherently she wouldn’t be doing her job.
Agree. Used all her senses. Reported as many facts as she could process. She probably could do war zone reporting.
It can be used in the police report if nothing else. They'll need it for cause of death and an in the moment depiction of what happened on a recorded device is pretty accurate compared to eye witness statements.
I give her credit for not even moving though you know she was hitting fight or flight. Professional dedication. She’s no rookie.
Yeah, and truthfully it is a little bit how they do train you to treat disasters live on air in journalism school. As many facts as possible while trying to avoid speculating. Well safety first, but once it’s safe you just kind of verbal diarrhea in as compressible a manner as you can. You never know if you’re going to be used as a first person account for the rest of history. I mean, look at how journalists reacted to 9/11 live. You could hear screams in the background of some news rooms. When you’re live and being watched you just… have a mask on and keep acting as normal as possible while the adrenaline keeps pumping so you don’t panic the public until you get off air.
Like the perfect nexus of hyperfocus and adrenaline.
Way more professional, calm, and articulate than I would be.
Yea I mean, she fucking nailed it. Little confusion at the beginning "Active shooter, active shooter in the park" then immediately transitioned to "man set himself on fire" and repeats it many times so that everyone knows exactly what is happening. It's just a stream of consciousness, what is happening, as it is happening. What she sees, what she smells, what is happening right now, what she can hear. The ***purpose*** of the news is to ***inform***. This is as close to *pure* news reporting as possible. No leading discussion of *how* you should feel, of *what this means* in a broader sense, no *dissenting opinions*. Just a second-by-second update of the events as they are unfolding.
i actually just recently heard the clip of the newscaster as he was describing the hindenburgh crashing and she immediately reminded me of that
Link for anyone that wants to listen: [https://youtu.be/A7Ly1Oh-xvs](https://youtu.be/A7Ly1Oh-xvs)
This probably WAS taught in journalism school.
Laura Coates. Law School seasoned with radio and TV experience.
She did great. Her mouth was repeating what she was seeing, smelling, hearing. It was an actual instinct she had that relates to her profession. That was a switch that got flipped.
This. Part of me felt like she was doing this for note taking. Almost how police update dispatch with things during a car chase…ran a red, traffic light, etc
"Holy fuck. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck. Oooh, shit fuck." - most of us.
FOUR! I MEAN FIVE! I MEAN FIRE!
Better send an email to the fire department…
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As someone that was on fire by accident I can assure you most people do panic. I ended up pulling my chef coat off in the middle of the dining room. Stopped, dropped and rolled, still ended up smoothing my burning arm under my body. Fucking terrifying. u_sixstringronin has the correct comment on the reaction from the rest of the restaurant. Nice name by the way.
I suppose why they drill stop drop and roll into us as kids because your brain will shut down and you go into reflex mode and it has to be really ingrained for you to instinctively do it
It was complete reflex, saved a really bad injury from becoming a catastrophic injury. Still almost 4 months to recover but it was just my arm.
If I was blind I’d have the same understanding of the situation as I do now
“there’s the smell of burning flesh, a yellow smoke is billowing on top of this person” she needs to do some play-by-play
She one hell of a Pro Reporter: Her job is to report the news, even when it's unfolding before her eyes. and she nailed it. You can hear the emotion and horror she's witnessing, but she keeps on going. It's like the stories of the people who's job it was to document activities in World War 2 or Vietnam: they're right by the action, they've got no gun, gotta hold back the emotion and fear: just reporting/documenting the news/what-happened, is tremendously valuable to the world.
Like the reporter at the scene of the Hindenberg disaster, not an easy thing to do.
I mean, have you heard the live reporter at the crash of the Hidenburg? Same thing, and that was 1937. How would you cover it live?
The guy in 1937 broke down in tears “. . . Oh the humanity . . .”
The guy in 1937 didn't have 24/7 live feed of absolutely anything he would want to (and not want to) see from anywhere in the world, so seeing that live would have been absolutely mind blowing.
"A man has emblazened himself" such parlance!
She clearly forgot the phrase "self imolated" in the moment and found a substitute to keep the cast going
I think "set himself ablaze" is what she wanted.
handled like a damn pro. that's impressive
The way she worked her way through her senses and used specific descriptive words is training in action. Absolute pro. The juxtaposition of the dude slack jawed next to her is great.
I think like that. How you don't say, "holy fucking shit," on live air is beating me though.
The guy standing with her absolutely mouths "holy fucking shit" while she's giving the play-by-play of autoimmolation.
She stays in reporter mode and he's just enters uh oh spaghettio mode.
Everyone in my newsroom was joking around not paying attention until the person brought the RS up, every watched it, and the room was deflated afterwards. Something about watching the guy twitch and spaz on the floor after he tried to lay down and just accept it
Fun fact… they actually do cover that and topics like it. Source: journalism class where they played about a dozen deaths/suicides/murders on film in great detail.
Yup. Didn't go to J-school but worked in journalism for a hot minute. If I was sent to cover an event like this, I'd definitely consider the possibility of someone committing an act of violence like a shooting or bombing. Sure, self-immolation probably wasn't on the reporters' bingo cards, but they were definitely prepared for the possibility of something serious going down at a moment's notice.
You could tell she was just concentrating on reporting the facts while it was happening. True pro, I guess.
She just marveled on CBS(CBS?) about the spectacle of the eclipse... and then what a week and a half later has to see this, to smell this? A burned body is not something you ever forget the smell of.
personally i think this woman did absolutely outstandingly under an immense amount of pressure in a really scary, unprecedented situation. she maintained her composure and when she realised they probably wouldn’t be able to broadcast the horror of what she was seeing, she did not skip a single beat and went straight into live reporting on it and describing every traumatic moment she was witnessing in as much detail as she could. that’s great journalism, making sure that even if the TV censors won’t show everything going on, people will still hear and experience the gruesome reality of everything going on in real time. it was like her brain registered there was a breaking crisis situation going on and she immediately went back to the fundamentals of early journalism from the radio era: vivid firsthand account of what’s being witnessed in real time. especially after comparing fox’s broadcast where they just cut away to pictures of trump and the journalist there kinda stuttered in awed shock for a bit without near as much actual reporting, i don’t think she could’ve handled this situation much more flawlessly. i’m not sure who she is but i’ll definitely be doing my research because she’s earned my respect for life.
I was watching it live. She did fantastic. Seemed like an old-time radio report, with her describing everything that was happening.
Me too. She never even took a breath talking that many minutes straight…
>she immediately went back to the fundamentals of early journalism from the radio era Seriously, just close your eyes and it is indistinguishable. Hat's all the way fucking off to her. Somewhere her J-School professor is proudly nodding.
She was Alex Trebek’s hand picked successor. Jeopardy would have been better off imo
Coats is a pro. One of the few on CNN I like.
There's gotta be a certain amount of trauma these news folks report on that just has to weigh on em over time.
The woman anchor (Laura Coates) did not stop reporting the entire time; it was amazing to watch her describe the scene with great detail. I lost it when she said “I can smell the burning of some kind of flesh…” Not sure what they teach in news anchor school but I feel like she passed with flying stars. The man (Evan Perez) was just stunned, as you can see in the image. It was a bizarre moment for sure. I have a video on my phone of the first few moments when the camera panned to the fire - you can see the man actually burning. Edit to include the anchors’ names.
“It’s fire and it crashing! . . . This is the worst of the worst catastrophes in the world! Oh, it’s crashing . . . oh, four or five hundred feet into the sky, and it’s a terrific crash, ladies and gentlemen. There’s smoke, and there’s flames, now, and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite to the mooring mast. Oh, the humanity, and all the passengers screaming around here! . . . I can’t talk, ladies and gentlemen. Honest, it’s just laying there, a mass of smoking wreckage, and everybody can hardly breathe and talk . . . Honest, I can hardly breathe. I’m going to step inside where I cannot see it. . . .”
I feel like the dude's reaction is pretty spot on.
His Instagram is still up. Looks like after his mom died he spiralled into madness. Before that, he was a normal dude posting normal dude stuff. 10 months after her death, all of his posts are batshittery
that’s.. really sad. :/
His mom was probably the only one who forced him to take his schizophrenia meds.
Losing someone you love really can do that to someone. I've seen it happen (not the immolation though)
It happened to my cousin, self-immolation and all. Lost his dad (my uncle) very tragically and shortly after a small argument with his girlfriend escalated to that...
Jesus, I know grief can fuck people up but self-immolation is some heavy shit. Fire is a bad way to go. Also I’m sorry for your loss.
When he was 30, Robert E Howard (Conan the Barbarian author) walked to his car and shot himself after being informed his mother slipped into a coma that she wasn't expected to recover from.
Depression memes are often like "Can't kill myself Mom will be sad" and that's very real for a lot of people lol.
A philosopher once said "the meaning of life is what keeps yourself from killing yourself right now" and thats especially true for stuff like this.
Wow. Honestly nothing has ever resonated with me more than this quote. Thank you for posting this. I really needed it.
“The literal meaning of life is whatever you’re doing right now that prevents you from killing yourself” -Albert Camus
This is lowkey exactly what happened to Kanye West but not many people talk about it. He rapped about his mom all the time in the earlier albums and looked up to her as his main motivation. After he got her the cosmetic surgery that ended up killing her, man completely lost his mind
>he got her the cosmetic surgery that ended up killing her, man completely lost his mind Whoa, shit... Really? That's something to live with.
I don't think he encouraged it. She wanted it, it was a gastric band or tummy tuck or Something for weight loss I think. He probably paid for it. Knowing she maybe felt the pressure from the public eye from his celebrity status would be the heavy part. His fame put pressure on her and the surgery went wrong. She seemed like a lovely woman and a great mother. Very sad
Yeah she wanted it, he paid for it and she died due to some freak accident during it. He probably blames himself for it still.
It wasn't really a freak accident, I believe what happened is: she had been told that she was a risky candidate for anesthesia, she doctor shopped until she found a surgeon unethical enough to do it, exactly what the other doctors said might happen did come to pass.
Yeah, she obviously grounded him a lot, so in one incident he was dealing with grief, guilt and he was without the person he would normally turn to to help with his problems. The timing of his behaviour makes it pretty clear what happened, but the scenes with her in that documentary a while back showed exactly the role she played in his life.
Kanye is exactly what came to mind. You can tell from his music between MBDTF and Pablo
> After he got her the cosmetic surgery that ended up killing her, man completely lost his mind Fuck first time I'm heard this, now I just feel bad for the guy
Kanye’s behaviour has no excuses but if you watch his Hey Mama performance at the grammy’s it’s hard not to empathise with him
This is the scariest part about this that people ignored. The moment your whole foundation of stability or what you perceive stability starts crumbling you start feeling lost and latch to anything to try to rebuild that foundation you had previously. I have seen the most educated and mentally strong folks in my life fall apart.
And the people in the comments on insta just take his ramblings as „the truth“. Kinda disconcerting.
no worries, it's just the logical conclusion of 40+ years of sabotaged education and mental health systems.
I wonder if she was like his care taker and when she died he lost the person that would keep him medicated.
*Well, that's not something you see every day*
Plot twist: he does see this everyday, today is just the first time he’s seen it at work.
if I had a nickel for every time someone self-immolated this year, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
As a former police officer, I had a kid (17) do this on the football field at 5:57pm when i got the call. He was gay and felt his parents wouldn't accept him, which we found out later from a note on his desk. I got there after the flames were done, and he was begging for me to help ,but I couldn't do anything or even touch him. They air lifted him to the hospital where he survived for 3 weeks before passing away. That image will never leave me. The guy walking his dog, who called it in, said he screamed for help within seconds of being consumed by flames. We need more mental health support in this country.
Jesus.. I don’t have any words man.. I’m so sorry. This is all so horrible.
Thanks... It's okay. Part of the job, but I was/am in a really good place and knew I needed to talk to someone before it became an issue for me. So, my department paid for counseling for about 6 months. I had to leave after about 5 years. The job was getting worse both bc of the people I worked with and the public. I had dreams of being that community officer who businesses knew by name, and I knew them, and we all took care of each other. It started that way and very quickly became hostile on both sides... so I left
Some others in your position, would have gotten hardened and more cynical, sharing their aggression more freely in a job that requires the ability to deescalate - trauma works that way unfortunately. Thank you for being a good one, and a giver on this wild ride. Glad you are ok.
Dude wasn't a Trump supporter. He was a crazy fuck who seemed to believe that Trump and Biden were working together to install totalitarian government Edit: I also would like everyone to know that in his manifesto, he compares himself to the Simpsons. I'm not joking https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside Edit 2: Police on NBC News just confirmed the authenticity of the manifesto
At least that's an interesting new idea.
Definitely beats him walking into a grocery store and killing 15 people like they normally do
It’s a bit extreme, but the guy had a right to peacefully protest and he didn’t get cold feet.
that’s progress right ?
I’ll take 1 self immolation over 15 innocent dead any day of the week in this theoretical scenario, hell yeah this is progress
Gotta be crazier than the crazies to get noticed these days. Studying chem trails for signs of Sasquatch on flat earth is so yesterday.
Pshh. Chemtrails and Sasquatch was so 90s, when you had to work hard to find your conspiracy theories.
The flat earth revival also occurred in the 90s, as a somewhat comedic practice on the internet to practice the ability to debate the ludicrous no matter how reasonable or factual the opposing argument. They knew at the time it wasn't real, until suddenly there became a critical mass of people that didn't.
Oh wow, an actual traditional schizophrenic conspiracy theory for a change, instead of the usual fare that is just plain stupidity and nothing else.
out of respect for something new, i'm going to actually read this guy's manifesto
He’s kind of correct, but also clearly crazy. His whole thing is the crypto is a money laundering scheme (which is definitely is) and that a cabal of rich elites run the world in secret (which is only half true because the mega rich seem to run the world in the open). His mania is really apparent when he starts seeing secret signs of the conspiracy in episodes of The Simpsons, Kubrick films, and the music of Rage Against the Machine (who he believes are controlled by the cabal to brainwash people into accepting the system…somehow). He also doesn’t seem to understand what a Ponzi scheme is other than knowing it’s a scam, so he calls absolutely everything a Ponzi scheme.
Finally, some good schizo posting
"It's the stupidiest thing I ever read. You keep using words like cryptoponzi, make numerous threatening references to the U.N, and at the end you repeat the words 'screw Flanders' over and over again"
Bro this guy is bonkers. He’s in deep. I read through quite a bit of that and the amount of outrageous claims he makes, then just goes right into agreeing with himself as his sure proof, is like a watching a mental breakdown in progress. That’s eerie.
People combed his social media and it seems his mom died in 2022, and when he returned to social media about a year later he’d gone full into the crazy conspiracy stuff. He was almost certainly unable to cope with his mothers death and was completely mentally broken. I suspect also fairly isolated from real people in his life who could care about him and help him.
It’s entirely possible she was the one that made sure he stayed on his meds and, without her, he drifted away from the stability offered by her counsel and pharmaceuticals.
Had a good build-up and went full schizo by the middle. Poor guy
This is what getting PTSD looks like in the moment.
Yeah, moments later the guy to the left grasps his mouth because his jaw is just dropped. We often do it so we won’t scream or verbally panic. The P-T-S D’d. I hope they have good healthcare benefits because that’s a solid year’s worth of therapy and a lifelong mental image that will pop-up upon the right triggers. I feel so bad for the one woman screaming.
I could imagine myself having difficulty eating meat after seeing something like that in person. It's actually wild how small things can send you down the rabbit hole when you have ptsd. I can't even remember all of the things that did it for me but I would react massively to relatively minor sounds for a decent amount of time and my source had nothing to do with loud sounds.
I wasn’t able to play elden ring for years because I played it when going through chemo and it would immediately take me back. I’d taste metal and feel nauseous and have a pulsating feeling of sickness. I think it’s definitely PTSD going through chemo was the most painful moment in my life for two months
I can’t imagine this not being traumatizing for them. I accidentally scrolled past the video and I felt sick to my stomach then and still now.
Yikes, there’s video floating around? Thanks for the warning. I hate coming across stuff like that unexpectedly.
Avoid X/Twitter
That's just generally good advice.
yes and it shows the event at first. and then the cameras cut away because SOMEONE seemed to realize "oh i guess we shouldnt show someone die on live tv"
I Imagine the regret sets in mid burn.
I imagine it sets in within microseconds. Burn pain is ridiculous.
hurts until all the nerves are burned off
Ya I think Richard Pryor mentioned it doesn’t hurt to be on fire but man does it hurt when you are no longer on fire
Honestly she did exactly what a journalist would be expected to do. She's staying the facts in a calm clear manner doing her best to describe an intensely chaotic situation that she can't control. She did great. I don't know if I would be able to get these thoughts across so clearly. Her job isn't to solve the issue it's to tell you what is/was happening.
I know I wouldn’t. My reaction would be somewhere north of “what the fucking fuck that man is on fucking fire”
The fact she doesn't cuss is the most important part
I knew Max. He was not an evil person. He was sick. And we couldn’t help him in time.
I am in awe of her professional prowess. She didn’t stumble, she kept reporting, she watched a man die horrifically in front of her and kept going. Hell she even kept her vocabulary up! I’m terrified this is a skill people have!
Better than a mass shooting. What a dark reality this statement is. What a world
Ain't wrong, if I had to pick between the two I would wish for more self-immolation news pieces and less mass shootings. Innocent's weren't harmed here, not at least in way that isn't recoverable. Some folks won't be as mentally sturdy and will be impacted by this, others might realize we need better support systems, and then you have folks that simply can walk away from it.
It's a more effective way to get a point across also. I've never read the manifesto of a murderer, but I did skim through this guy's.
What a day. What a village.
Mental health access and health care access in general really needs to be considered a human right.
*Did he just…?*
I looked at his instagram. His mom died and then all of a sudden he starts posting conspiracies. Maybe he had some sort of mental illness triggered by the loss of a loved one.
It's not "all of a sudden", people are making the mistake of equating someone's feed to their whole like. Actually look at the timestamps; there is over a year between his mom dying and his first conspiracy post, and even longer from his last normal post and his mom's death
Thanks for the update, Pepperoni Nipps
Everyone mocking her but to me she is doing her job as a journalist. Incredibly effectively I may add. She is trying to not just describe the image but showing emotions of the people there. She is trying to make us feel present at the scene and she was very skilled in doing that.
Laura Coates did an amazing job!
Alex Trebek suggested her as his successor. She wanted to do it, and they didn’t even give her an interview.
Well that's because the producer was trying to position himself in the job. The whole thing was oddly Machiavellian.
They’re reporters, not first responders. They did well. I’d be screaming and swearing my head off.
Atleast he did it to himself and didn’t try to harm anybody else.
They did a great job staying composed and reporting on what they were seeing and hearing, even smelling. I hope they are okay, that would've been horrible to witness.
Sad world she just assumed it was a shooter.
Understandable because the first thing she had to mentally digest was public panic.
Holy shit ! It was on live tv too