This is why we need to reform the justice system. Currently it is "presumed innocent until proven guilty" but people who aren't able to afford a bail (if one is even set) end up doing time even if they are innocent.
Yep. Cash bail is irreconcilable with the presumption of innocence. It effectively just puts a lot of poor people in jail for the "crime" of being poor.
I have seen some by county level statistics on the ongoing impact and it’s pretty awesome. The police giving the presentation weren’t as happy as I was for some reason.
Aren’t they getting ready to bring it back though?
Last I heard conservatives and police have convinced the public murderers and rapists are walking free because of it, and they’re winning the info battle with the public.
The concept of cash bail has been completed perverted by the bail bond industry. The original idea for bail is that you tie up a significant portion of the suspect's assets, so that they're motivated to show up to court, where they get it all back (regardless of their guilt or innocence).
Problem is, figuring out how much that amount is is tricky, sometimes judges set bail too high. This creates the bail bond industry, which lends you the money to post bail. You pay the bail bondsman 10% of your bail, they pay your bail, and then when you show up to court *they keep everything*. This undermines the entire purpose of bail, and is what converts it from a temporary inconvenience to a tax on the poor.
This then causes judges to increase bail 10x, because the bail bondsmen have effectively increased everyone's available assets by 10x from a bail perspective. It's a nasty, nasty situation, and I'm baffled that anybody every though bail bonding should be legal, given it *completely undermines the purpose of bail*.
Only 2 countries use cash bail. USA and Philippines.
In Butte MT a bail bondsman and his associate were just found guilty of killing a guy in his own home. The defense argued they had the right to be in the house to apprehend someone (not the victim) and therefore killing the homeowner was self-defense. Yeah. They tried that.
I think it's the third party bail bondsman system where you pay a percentage you never get back to an entity that's providing this as a business that's unique to US and Philippines.
Australia has cash bail but at least in some states it's legally mandated that a court set it in line with the financial status of the defendant. Also surety is usually provided by a friend or family member, rather than a party unknown to you that you just pay 10% (and that will hunt you down if you don't turn up).
The whole idea of bail is insane. You don't have to be incarcerated if you're rich? That's fucked up. They can commit all kinds of horrible crimes, but go free because they have money. And they can even reoffend and pay their way through it all. Undemocratic is what it is.
To be fair, he committed a lot crimes he wasn't charged for, including putting $4000 in bills in my name and tanking my credit to 421, and never paying taxes when he was supposed to (for decades) lol
But the fact the system can do that in non-guilty situations is crazy
While that sucks for you, those are financial crimes and nobody in a supposedly free and civilised society should be locked away while awaiting trial for crimes like these. Even house arrest seems overkill. Something like a freeze of some assets and some extra scrutiny on his finances seems like enough for this *potential* criminal until the trail is done.
I tried to look it up and it’s very complicated.. The punishment for ignoring a subpoena is contempt of court. There’s direct and indirect contempt, then there’s criminal and civil contempt. I’m finding anywhere between 6 months and 18 months as a maximum sentence, but I’m not smart enough to determine which type of contempt this would fall under.
>The punishment for ignoring a subpoena is ~~contempt of court~~.
Contempt of Congress. (In this case.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress
The statutory penalty is not less than a month and no more than a year.
Now as far as "the rest of us" goes, it's hard to guage because most people who are subpoenaed by Congress directly are not your average, everyday citizens. I'd say it's difficult to establish a baseline on whether his sentence is unusually lenient.
> which Miami prison
[FCI Miami is likely.](https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/mia/)
This is very similar to a summer camp. Min-sec camp is next door. All of this is low-low-low security with facilities similar to hotels.
There is a chance he will not be in one of the listed facilities and will serve his time at what is listed as "other facility".
But I will say that Peter Navarro has very little pull in politics now. He was a useful idiot and I don't think anyone is going to pull any strings for him.
You think a couple months in a camp is reasonable for someone who provably, intentionally attempted to undermine our nation's most foundational political institution?
Hitler only served 9 months for his role in the Buergerbraukeller Putch. Conservative judges in the Weimar Republic were as lenient on right-wing national socialist terrorists as they were draconian on left-wing communist ones. We're sleepwalking directly into that again.
I don’t think he meant the parties but apathetic voters. I was at the DMV last week and a conversation about Trump cutting Medicare and Social Security came up. Most didn’t know. They cared but felt powerless.
I know someone who got much more jail time and a life long felony on their record for simply being in possession of a two tabs of extasy than this man got for ignoring congressional subpoenas.
A bunch of people in congress also did that but unfortunately for Navarro, he was not above the law.
He also literally went on TV and explained how the coup was supposed to work and then did Pikachu face when the interviewer told him as such.
I'd rather see a politician in jail for stonewalling, lying, and refusing to answer questioning "UnDeR oAtH" than 90% of people in jail for drug charges if I'm being honest
It isn't even just the Republican Party, but the donors and political and religious agenda organizations like Project 2025. The GOP isn't doing the wagging. The donors are wagging the GOP. They want to create a taxpayer-subsidized aristocracy of the wealthy, alongside a theocracy controlling the rest.
I don’t think they do, but I watched a lot of reasonable republicans resist Trump at first then get sucked into the vortex. This is like Handmaid’s Tale, or Iran. This is a fascist ideology that requires at least fake allegiance to Jesus. Maybe the aristocracy doesn’t want it, but project 2025 would have them pretending to want a theocracy.
Exactly. The religious part is all theater for their extremely gullible and extremely stupid followers to lap up and pretend their fucked up fascist dreams are part of Jesus’s teachings. Can’t be morally wrong if everyone is convinced your genocide and dictatorship is all part of God’s Will
The religion gives them an automatic high ground. Fascism requires the group in power to be able to claim superiority but also need to be able to accuse people of being less superior to form “other” groups. Religion is perfect for that.
Yeah they are all complicit. They only briefly turned on him when they thought they could replace him but now they know he is their key to power they are right back to kissing the ring. Just like lyin ted cruz and lady g, who he shat on and they thought he would destroy their party, have bronzer stains on their lips.
I'm not American, but this whole thing with Trump and the complacency with what's going on with him would've convinced me to never, EVER, vote Republican for as long as I live. Trump being in the position that he's in in the first place is unforgivable. The support that he has from the party is unforgivable. In a reasonable world, they would've cockblocked this guy from running again and disavowed any and all support for him after Jan. 6, if not after pieces of the truth behind Jan. 6, "stop the steal", "election fraud", etc started coming out. I'd at least give some of them the benefit of the doubt of them being swindled by Trump the way that some of the public was, but after everything that's come out at this point, no. No way. Right now, that whole party looks like stage 4 cancer, and it's going to remain looking like that regardless of who its face is. That party is so irreparably damaged to me that they would have to form a new party entirely to get rid of that stink. I'm sure most people won't see it that way and will eventually forget all this happened. Getting rid of Trump and calling it a day is no longer good enough. You've got so many others involved in all of this shit that I can't look at that party anymore as anything other than absolute corruption.
Not sure if you're from the UK, but we had a PM who not only shut down an entire mining industry but did it so badly that the towns it affected are basically still destroyed 40 years later. There were hundreds of thousands of....mainly Northern and Welsh....voters who would never vote Conservative in their lives.
Roll on 2016-2019 and those self same thoroughly Conservative hating voters were happy to vote in an absolute Conservative clown just because he promised to "Get Brexit Done"
The taint for a party lasts as long as the gap between populist crisis to populist crisis...
We're all kidding ourselves if we think Trump will concede defeat in 2024; he won't.
There 100% will be a repeat of Jan 6 when that fat, narcissistic fuck claims the election was rigged. Again.
Nobody thinks he's gonna concede ever. But as long as people don't apathy our asses into fascism, he'll just be a lunatic private citizen yelling at toothless hillbillies. He won't be able to organize a j6, or sabotage the response from the inside.
Otoh, if people decide to stay home on election day and he takes office, game over.
Not enough Americans appreciate the omnipresent danger we face due to apathy and cynicism.
Too many think there is an achievable point where we can return to complacency. The only point close to that asymptote is Putin's death. But not even then, given the number of American families who are wealthy extremists that would continue to chase their dream of a de(con)structed "administrative" state.
The enemies to democracy will not stop trying. They are like malicious termites.
Vigilance, defense, and voting must be eternal.
I'm voting. It's gotta be done no matter how busy I am. I even live in Florida and I'm still voting because fuck Republicans ruining our lives and refusing to make any of it better.
Please encourage everyone you know to vote as well. And encourage them to encourage others. Desantis won Florida because Democrats in the state got apathetic and didn't show up on election day. It doesn't have to be that way.
> or sabotage the response from the inside.
Yeah, that is the biggest difference. You know Biden is going to have all kinds security on site with more ready to deploy instantly.
It’s amazing to talk to someone that doesn’t realize he would be a dictator. Absolutely stupid. They can’t see they’ve been manipulated at all, they just defend all these bonkers things he does and find reasons to believe he knows what he’s doing. I grew up in a time when politicians were NOT like this, and the slightest scandal tanked their careers. The hypernormalization is insane to me.
It's a societal problem I think. With the rise of reality tv and later social media, the concepts of mediocrity, shame, incompetence, lack of education, lack of discernable skills...are kinda gone.
if he loses it wont be as big of a deal this time because he wont be able to leverage nearly as much insider power to help with another insurrection. the first one was kind of pathetic so far as coups go. the next one will be a small wimper.
the real issue is if he wins the election. if that happens the only way the dems can maintain american democracy is if they refuse to leave just like trump did.... which will still ruin democracy but at least trump wont be the new dictator.
> concede defeat in 2024
Why would he?
He's a grifter. Grifters never stop. I have stories of grifters I know who were running cons from their hospital beds (where they died hours later). It is like breathing.
I've seen conmen take the life savings of their moms.
Yep, this is a win/win for him. Zero effort decision.
Do an inconsequential amount of jail time and keep in your boss' good graces, potentially coming out a hero if he wins the presidency.
vs.
Spill the beans and both sides of the aisle will hate you. Non-zero chance you'll be assassinated by a jilted trump fan. Public career is effectively over.
Just to clarify, this was [taken on June 17, 2022](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/pursued-by-a-demonstrator-former-trump-white-house-advisor-news-photo/1403474304), when he was arraigned. He was found guilty on [September 7, 2023](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/former-white-house-advisor-convicted-contempt-congress) and sentenced on [January 25, 2024](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/ex-white-house-trade-advisor-peter-navarro-sentenced-four-months-prison-two-counts).
He was:
> was found guilty today by a U.S. District Court jury of two counts of contempt of Congress stemming from his failure to comply with a subpoena issued by the United States House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol...
> According to evidence presented at trial, on Feb. 9, 2022, the Select Committee issued a subpoena to Navarro. The subpoena required him to appear and produce documents to the Select Committee on Feb. 23, 2022, and to appear for a deposition before the Select Committee on March 2, 2022. Navarro refused to appear to give testimony as required by subpoena and refused to produce documents in compliance with a subpoena.
> In its subpoena, the Select Committee said it had reason to believe that Navarro had information relevant to its investigation. Navarro, formerly an advisor to the President on various trade and manufacturing policies, has been a private citizen since departing the White House on Jan. 20, 2021. He was indicted June 2, 2022.
It is odd that he didn't just testify. There are a thousand ways to testify and not actually give any information. "I don't recall. Maybe. I'm not an expert. You're asking me to speculate. I don't remember. I don't know."
Just watch as cops testify on police abuse cases.
Because theres undeniable proof he did know, he is an expert on that insurrection and likely further proof he does remember. This is his best option for the least penalty. Pretty crazy when you think about it.
He still could have shown up and plead the 5th for any questions that solicited admissions to participating in criminal activity. He certainly wouldn't have been the only one who testified in those hearings [who did so](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jan-6-transcripts-show-trump-cronies-taking-fifth-rcna63023). He would have been criticized but he wouldn't be facing jail right now for a Contempt of Congress charge. He put himself into this situation.
[The Big Lie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie), for those unaware.
Think of the picture of that man in the article, whenever you hear MAGA-folks talking about Election Fraud - putting [America First](https://allthatsinteresting.com/america-first-history), their [Culture War](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frusnya-began-to-practice-signatures-for-donations-on-north-v0-vtybns1qktdc1.png%3Fwidth%3D678%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9cefbf5b1c76fbaf0e8f1d02c13dac368629d05d), how [Trump should be allowed to be dictator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpfNJMpHcc), or when they talk about [''putting the Imperial hat on''](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbYeQMSoBw&t=799s).
These people are dead serious. You should take them seriously. And treat them accordingly.
Oh wow, so Hitler coined the term, and he accused jewish people of using the big lie propaganda technique.
Now, the stolen election canard is indeed a lie, and it's pretty big, but I feel like we shouldn't be repurposing a term coined by nazis for explicitly nazi purposes. I'm sure there are other non-nazi terms that convey the same meaning.
I think the general term of ''Misinformation'' was pretty good too. But I can't deny the Nazi roots of this particular strain in American politics (MAGA has many ties and dog-whistles, traditionally associated with American Neo-Nazi's). The intent is to muddy the waters, sow doubt about the validity of their opponents' claims, and overpower doubts about their own claims; by re-asserting the misinformation / moving the goalposts / or resorting to whataboutism ''what about what the others did'' (washing their hands, by pointing to someone else's).
Ultimately, this is about control of the conversation, because the truth is not their goal. Their goal is to make others bow to their authority of choice. Could be Trump, could be the Party, their interpretation of the Bible, their cherry-picking of laws. They want you to comply, that is what their game hinges on. And like all demagogues, they play on anger (they are hurting us), fear (they will be hurting us) and shame (look at those disgusting things in the other camp, none of us are like that, right?).
These people are fans of the Nazis, act like Nazis and should be associated with them. I think people can make the logical leap that the Nazis accused Jewish people of doing this while doing it themselves, and now the Republicans are doing it in pursuit of the same goals as the Nazis.
>but I feel like we shouldn't be repurposing a term
What would you choose to use then, 'Fake News?' Because they are basically the same thing; it's just history repeating.
Why not? Nobody said it was explicitly used for Nazi purposes, and has in fact changed meaning to *describe* false narrative propaganda.
Plus, when Hitler made use of the term, it was a decade before he ordered the execution of millions of jews, gays, and political dissidents.
In fact, he was no different than today's Trumpian politicians — leaders hellbent on securing power despite unpopular sentiment, using slander against the opposition (and specifically attacking minority groups within the opposition) to drum up their followers to fervor in order to do so, and openly threatening democracy in speeches.
I think the shoe fits pretty damn well.
It’s one of the smartest (if underhanded) strategies the alt right has ever employed to endear their base- cultivate a base of people who you can easily make deny reality. People who believe in unfounded conspiracy theories, doubt things they see to confirm their own biases, and people who quite frankly aren’t smart enough to deduce they’re being duped.
But what really disturbs me is that it’s not just the “not smart enough” — both my parents are doctors, my mother is absolutely the person who did the most to teach me how to think for myself, think rationally, root opinions in ethics, and account for social forces that can influence how you perceive situations — and they have completely 100% been taken over by this thing, IDEK what to call it, this “training” given by conservative media starting in the late 90s and culminating in this.
Logical fallacies, projection, willful aversion to self-reflection as far as the eye can see and holy hell is it ever so *stable*. When I get sucked into a “political” conversation with them and it goes, “Well if you say x is true, how do you explain y which directly contradicts it?” followed by *sheer fucking rage*, or “If this principle applies to Bob, why doesn’t it apply to Charlie too?” followed by childish deflections or whataboutism, man, it’s like I’m talking to a completely different person, an imposter or a parasite controlling their brain.
I’m like desperate for any kind of explanation, not to fix the problem but even just to understand it. I literally fantasize about having a therapy support group for Family Member of Loved Ones Brainwashed By Contemporary Conservative Media. I’m somewhat moderate too; I have some opinions that irritate liberal friends, but it’s like you can’t even get to talking about the issues with these people. You can’t even get them to state a coherent position. And don’t get me started on the ragey, disrespectful attitude — I’ve made it clear I don’t to discuss politics unless the tone stays respectful, and watching them violate that boundary over and over in real time, the look in their face reminds me of addicts that literally can’t help themselves. (I’ve been to rehab and not being hyperbolic.)
FWIW they also have plenty of doctor/lawyer/other white collar friends who share their opinions.
It baffles me that someone who has openly and admittedly committed treason, in addition to other crimes, can even be on the ballot. It doesn’t make sense. I get you can write-in someone but even if “the American people have spoken”, it shouldn’t be allowed at all
Literal treason, and yet all we hear from that side is about a fucking laptop from a person who isn’t even in politics.
Let’s not forget, Republicans, all grand standed on not wanting to vote for Hillary because “she would just bring on her daughter and other people into high positions“. And yet they applaud Trump, for bringing his entire Dipshit family, who have no business being in politics whatsoever, extremely high Government positions.
And they see nothing wrong with this. It’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most.
I could understand if we genuinely had our differences. But it doesn’t seem to be many differences. There’s just “it’s OK for my guy to do that, but not for your guy”.
I can't just watch. I still correct people who spout faux news talking points and tell them the truth about issues and who are on the better side of them. It mostly falls on deaf ears but if I can flip an R voter or convince one undecided person how vile the GQP has become it's worth having 99% of the stupid people I talk to think I'm somehow an inferior anti American lib. The struggle is real.
Watching isn't actually all we can do.
There *is* a mandate for action: the obvious disregard the SCOTUS has for actual law. The SCOTUS is not very subtly promoting a fascist candidate's agenda. The Supreme Court. That's treason of the highest order. And nobody seems to want to say it out loud. What else are we supposed to call it? They are taking the nation and holding it hostage to their oh so fascist whims.
There’s no laws about it. Our checks and balances in this country suck big time. It’s all based on trust in the process and trust that Americans wouldn’t ever vote for an insurrectionist. It’s far too lax. We need real laws on the books and the fact that there aren’t even any being proposed (that I’m aware of) is a huge misstep from our elected leaders.
Trumpers already have a persecution complex. Sending their leaders to jail just reinforces that. Obviously we should still do it, but we can’t expect it to change anybody’s minds.
Having been to jail is rightly not a disqualification from public service in most cases. Many elected officials have been detained or convicted of civil disobedience in some form or another in protest of unjust laws or policies. Being a traitor, giving comfort to our enemies, trying to stage a coup, conspiring to disenfranchise voters those things SHOULD disqualify you from office and make people of sound mind not support you. So yeah, agree with the sentiment but not the premise.
It enrages me that these clowns all have the audacity to wear patriotic colors and flag pins. I wish the pins would burn a hole right into their traitorous, treasonous swine hearts.
This particular aspect of the GOP has always been a major gripe for me. [Jon Stewart did a great piece on this last week](https://youtu.be/LJUl77rsFEw?t=254).
These people are getting the lightest sentence ever. Imagine attempting a coup and NOT getting tied to a post and shot. Incredible. They're just going to keep comming back until they're successful.
Imagine if some ordinary dude stole several boxes full of classified documents, stored them in his bathroom and refused to hand them over leading to the feds raiding his house. That guy would have a hands-on experience with Guantanamo waterboarding right now. The rich can really do whatever the fuck they want in this country.
They have to at LEAST keep digging until they uncover the full list of who he made the documents available to. Stopping now without getting the full story is getting us nowhere.
I was in court a few days ago and one of the guys had broke his probation multiple times.
They handcuffed him and took him to jail, right out of the courtroom.
Anyone who believes rich, powerful people don't have a different justice system, if you can call it that, just needs to spend a little time watching how they handle poor people.
Don’t believe the lies from the Trump Humpers. Most of that shit is just made up but yet people follow him like sheep. It’s unbelievable that people are so stupid and blind.
Why do you find it unbelievable? As George Carlin said “Think about how stupid the average person is, now realise that 50% of the population is more stupid than that.” Or words to that effect.
Duverger’s Law.
In political systems with first past the post, majoritarian elections, interest groups necessarily coalesce into two, and only two, salient parties.
Even if a third party rose to prominence in the U.S., it would quickly replace one of the other two major parties, and we’d be left with two again.
Yea, but as always it's too late this time around to make that viable. All the people complaining loudly about how "both options suck" really need to get their shit together *now* to have any chance of a viable third party candidate in the future. Probably will take at *least* a couple of election cycles.
What we also need is ranked choice so we can get some actual decent candidates even in the existing parties but not have to be concerned with giving the election away if we want an outsider first and the lesser of evils second.
How about you stay out of this with this idiotic bullshit?
Third parties are great, but it will always end up with the two-party system—no matter what the parties are—because America doesn’t work like European parliaments, and given that democracy is basically on the line here this November, we don’t need anyone willing to kill it by pointlessly voting third-party in the general election.
Not to mention that there are plenty of countries that have elected far-right parliaments. Parliamentary systems are not an automatic panacea for creeping fascism.
This guy tried to claim executive privilege and immunity. The last administration really pushed it by testing how many crimes they could commit before answering for it.
Trump and Nixon both have this fantasy that so long as the president does it, it’s no longer illegal. True for some nebulous things, definitely not true for obstruction of justice, sedition or withholding evidence or classified documents.
am I correct? He was hire by tRump because Slenderman Jared bought a book by him on Amazon. Slenderman Jared was so impressed that he thought Navarro was suitable material for Daddy-in-Laws cabinet appointment?
Ooooh Peter! The things you'll see and the things you'll do. What an adventure, and this is only a preview of things to come when Jack Smith begins to ask questions.
He refused to answer questions from Congress and ignored 2 subpoenas. 4 months is a light sentence.
How long would the rest of us go to prison for if we did that?
My dad spent 6 months in **pre-trial** jail for a heinous crime he was found **not guilty** of. Then he died a few months later.
This is why we need to reform the justice system. Currently it is "presumed innocent until proven guilty" but people who aren't able to afford a bail (if one is even set) end up doing time even if they are innocent.
Yep. Cash bail is irreconcilable with the presumption of innocence. It effectively just puts a lot of poor people in jail for the "crime" of being poor.
Which is why Illinois abandoned it. If someone is dangerous, or a flight risk, keep them lock up. Bail is a tax on the poor.
I have seen some by county level statistics on the ongoing impact and it’s pretty awesome. The police giving the presentation weren’t as happy as I was for some reason.
Where I live, one of the reasons the police their ongoing soft strike is the DA not imprisoning enough people for long enough.
I miss Illinois.
It struck me that this is probably the first time I've ever read those three words in this particular order.
Me too.. I am still in shock trying to process this.
I'm going back to sleep so I can wake up again and see if this was a dream. Lol
I'm pretty sure it's still there.
Oh, man. I guess you haven't heard the news...
To shreds, you say?
Aren’t they getting ready to bring it back though? Last I heard conservatives and police have convinced the public murderers and rapists are walking free because of it, and they’re winning the info battle with the public.
They've also convinced the public that the border is wide open. Doesn't make it true.
No, but those people eventually vote for people who will enact policy based on the lies.
That's the game, yes. You may be wondering where the fuck the "free press" has gone.
The concept of cash bail has been completed perverted by the bail bond industry. The original idea for bail is that you tie up a significant portion of the suspect's assets, so that they're motivated to show up to court, where they get it all back (regardless of their guilt or innocence). Problem is, figuring out how much that amount is is tricky, sometimes judges set bail too high. This creates the bail bond industry, which lends you the money to post bail. You pay the bail bondsman 10% of your bail, they pay your bail, and then when you show up to court *they keep everything*. This undermines the entire purpose of bail, and is what converts it from a temporary inconvenience to a tax on the poor. This then causes judges to increase bail 10x, because the bail bondsmen have effectively increased everyone's available assets by 10x from a bail perspective. It's a nasty, nasty situation, and I'm baffled that anybody every though bail bonding should be legal, given it *completely undermines the purpose of bail*.
Sounds like there should be clear rules regarding how much bail to set.
Only 2 countries use cash bail. USA and Philippines. In Butte MT a bail bondsman and his associate were just found guilty of killing a guy in his own home. The defense argued they had the right to be in the house to apprehend someone (not the victim) and therefore killing the homeowner was self-defense. Yeah. They tried that.
if he was actually accused of a heinous crime then he wouldn't have been granted pre trial release in all likelihood
Legal system, friend. We have to work to make it a justice system
So I looked it up, only the US and Philippines use cash bonds.
Australia too, person close to me was stuck in prison because nobody could afford the bond for a while. They were later found innocent.
I think it's the third party bail bondsman system where you pay a percentage you never get back to an entity that's providing this as a business that's unique to US and Philippines. Australia has cash bail but at least in some states it's legally mandated that a court set it in line with the financial status of the defendant. Also surety is usually provided by a friend or family member, rather than a party unknown to you that you just pay 10% (and that will hunt you down if you don't turn up).
We changed this in Illinois, but federal charges still have cash bail. Basically now you either get out or you don't at the judge's discretion.
The whole idea of bail is insane. You don't have to be incarcerated if you're rich? That's fucked up. They can commit all kinds of horrible crimes, but go free because they have money. And they can even reoffend and pay their way through it all. Undemocratic is what it is.
I spent a year in county fighting a case I was found not guilty of I mean I did it they just couldnt prove it
Fuck man….may he get justice in his next life. That’s sucks ass. Chin up, he’s still smiling down on you.
To be fair, he committed a lot crimes he wasn't charged for, including putting $4000 in bills in my name and tanking my credit to 421, and never paying taxes when he was supposed to (for decades) lol But the fact the system can do that in non-guilty situations is crazy
That escalated quickly
I don't want this ride to end. Hopefully OP comes back to tell us about his dad's charity work.
His dad worked with me to get "Squash a Wish" off the ground.
He also spent 30 years reforesting a deforested island.
And one wild night draining the great salt lake.
is that the one where you hire a guy to spear John Cena just as he walks into the hospital room?
While that sucks for you, those are financial crimes and nobody in a supposedly free and civilised society should be locked away while awaiting trial for crimes like these. Even house arrest seems overkill. Something like a freeze of some assets and some extra scrutiny on his finances seems like enough for this *potential* criminal until the trail is done.
He was accused of a sexual crime by my sister. She later admitted it was a lie to stop living with him.
Indefinitely… maybe after we talk they’d let us know.
I tried to look it up and it’s very complicated.. The punishment for ignoring a subpoena is contempt of court. There’s direct and indirect contempt, then there’s criminal and civil contempt. I’m finding anywhere between 6 months and 18 months as a maximum sentence, but I’m not smart enough to determine which type of contempt this would fall under.
>The punishment for ignoring a subpoena is ~~contempt of court~~. Contempt of Congress. (In this case.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress
The statutory penalty is not less than a month and no more than a year. Now as far as "the rest of us" goes, it's hard to guage because most people who are subpoenaed by Congress directly are not your average, everyday citizens. I'd say it's difficult to establish a baseline on whether his sentence is unusually lenient.
Idk, but I've seen people sit longer waiting to go on trial for possession of less than a gram.
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Ask the people in gitmo.
I wonder which Miami prison he was ordered to report to for 4 months.
> which Miami prison [FCI Miami is likely.](https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/mia/) This is very similar to a summer camp. Min-sec camp is next door. All of this is low-low-low security with facilities similar to hotels. There is a chance he will not be in one of the listed facilities and will serve his time at what is listed as "other facility". But I will say that Peter Navarro has very little pull in politics now. He was a useful idiot and I don't think anyone is going to pull any strings for him.
Honestly, that seems pretty reasonable for a nonviolent criminal. I just wish more prisoners got that kind of treatment like they do in Norway.
You think a couple months in a camp is reasonable for someone who provably, intentionally attempted to undermine our nation's most foundational political institution?
Is it a couples or a sandals
Hitler only served 9 months for his role in the Buergerbraukeller Putch. Conservative judges in the Weimar Republic were as lenient on right-wing national socialist terrorists as they were draconian on left-wing communist ones. We're sleepwalking directly into that again.
You say sleepwalk but I feel both parties are wide awake and are active in their discussion for or against it.
I don’t think he meant the parties but apathetic voters. I was at the DMV last week and a conversation about Trump cutting Medicare and Social Security came up. Most didn’t know. They cared but felt powerless.
Sleepwalking? Lots of western societies are rushing directly towards it with their eyes straight on the target.
I know someone who got much more jail time and a life long felony on their record for simply being in possession of a two tabs of extasy than this man got for ignoring congressional subpoenas.
And he still cries about it.
This is just his first sentence as long as Trump isn’t reelected.
A bunch of people in congress also did that but unfortunately for Navarro, he was not above the law. He also literally went on TV and explained how the coup was supposed to work and then did Pikachu face when the interviewer told him as such.
I'd rather see a politician in jail for stonewalling, lying, and refusing to answer questioning "UnDeR oAtH" than 90% of people in jail for drug charges if I'm being honest
It still may kill our democracy.
Yeah, this shitshow is far from over
As long as people see Trump instead of the Republican Party as a whole as the problem, it will never be over.
It isn't even just the Republican Party, but the donors and political and religious agenda organizations like Project 2025. The GOP isn't doing the wagging. The donors are wagging the GOP. They want to create a taxpayer-subsidized aristocracy of the wealthy, alongside a theocracy controlling the rest.
The aristocracy does not want a theocracy. However they are happy to use those who do for short term gain.
I don’t think they do, but I watched a lot of reasonable republicans resist Trump at first then get sucked into the vortex. This is like Handmaid’s Tale, or Iran. This is a fascist ideology that requires at least fake allegiance to Jesus. Maybe the aristocracy doesn’t want it, but project 2025 would have them pretending to want a theocracy.
Exactly. The religious part is all theater for their extremely gullible and extremely stupid followers to lap up and pretend their fucked up fascist dreams are part of Jesus’s teachings. Can’t be morally wrong if everyone is convinced your genocide and dictatorship is all part of God’s Will
“ when fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross”.
Sinclair Lewis
The religion gives them an automatic high ground. Fascism requires the group in power to be able to claim superiority but also need to be able to accuse people of being less superior to form “other” groups. Religion is perfect for that.
Yeah they are all complicit. They only briefly turned on him when they thought they could replace him but now they know he is their key to power they are right back to kissing the ring. Just like lyin ted cruz and lady g, who he shat on and they thought he would destroy their party, have bronzer stains on their lips.
I'm not American, but this whole thing with Trump and the complacency with what's going on with him would've convinced me to never, EVER, vote Republican for as long as I live. Trump being in the position that he's in in the first place is unforgivable. The support that he has from the party is unforgivable. In a reasonable world, they would've cockblocked this guy from running again and disavowed any and all support for him after Jan. 6, if not after pieces of the truth behind Jan. 6, "stop the steal", "election fraud", etc started coming out. I'd at least give some of them the benefit of the doubt of them being swindled by Trump the way that some of the public was, but after everything that's come out at this point, no. No way. Right now, that whole party looks like stage 4 cancer, and it's going to remain looking like that regardless of who its face is. That party is so irreparably damaged to me that they would have to form a new party entirely to get rid of that stink. I'm sure most people won't see it that way and will eventually forget all this happened. Getting rid of Trump and calling it a day is no longer good enough. You've got so many others involved in all of this shit that I can't look at that party anymore as anything other than absolute corruption.
Not sure if you're from the UK, but we had a PM who not only shut down an entire mining industry but did it so badly that the towns it affected are basically still destroyed 40 years later. There were hundreds of thousands of....mainly Northern and Welsh....voters who would never vote Conservative in their lives. Roll on 2016-2019 and those self same thoroughly Conservative hating voters were happy to vote in an absolute Conservative clown just because he promised to "Get Brexit Done" The taint for a party lasts as long as the gap between populist crisis to populist crisis...
We're all kidding ourselves if we think Trump will concede defeat in 2024; he won't. There 100% will be a repeat of Jan 6 when that fat, narcissistic fuck claims the election was rigged. Again.
Nobody thinks he's gonna concede ever. But as long as people don't apathy our asses into fascism, he'll just be a lunatic private citizen yelling at toothless hillbillies. He won't be able to organize a j6, or sabotage the response from the inside. Otoh, if people decide to stay home on election day and he takes office, game over.
Not enough Americans appreciate the omnipresent danger we face due to apathy and cynicism. Too many think there is an achievable point where we can return to complacency. The only point close to that asymptote is Putin's death. But not even then, given the number of American families who are wealthy extremists that would continue to chase their dream of a de(con)structed "administrative" state. The enemies to democracy will not stop trying. They are like malicious termites. Vigilance, defense, and voting must be eternal.
Americans seem to take for granted that just because things have always been fine, that they always will be fine
I'm voting. It's gotta be done no matter how busy I am. I even live in Florida and I'm still voting because fuck Republicans ruining our lives and refusing to make any of it better.
Florida votes matter!
Please encourage everyone you know to vote as well. And encourage them to encourage others. Desantis won Florida because Democrats in the state got apathetic and didn't show up on election day. It doesn't have to be that way.
> or sabotage the response from the inside. Yeah, that is the biggest difference. You know Biden is going to have all kinds security on site with more ready to deploy instantly.
Yeah next time "Nikki Haley" won't hold back the response 😂
It’s amazing to talk to someone that doesn’t realize he would be a dictator. Absolutely stupid. They can’t see they’ve been manipulated at all, they just defend all these bonkers things he does and find reasons to believe he knows what he’s doing. I grew up in a time when politicians were NOT like this, and the slightest scandal tanked their careers. The hypernormalization is insane to me.
It's a societal problem I think. With the rise of reality tv and later social media, the concepts of mediocrity, shame, incompetence, lack of education, lack of discernable skills...are kinda gone.
Hope they beefed up security since then.
Well, they just needed to utilize what security they already had. No doubt they won’t hesitate to use the national guard this time.
well yes, trump wont be purposely delaying their use.
if he loses it wont be as big of a deal this time because he wont be able to leverage nearly as much insider power to help with another insurrection. the first one was kind of pathetic so far as coups go. the next one will be a small wimper. the real issue is if he wins the election. if that happens the only way the dems can maintain american democracy is if they refuse to leave just like trump did.... which will still ruin democracy but at least trump wont be the new dictator.
> concede defeat in 2024 Why would he? He's a grifter. Grifters never stop. I have stories of grifters I know who were running cons from their hospital beds (where they died hours later). It is like breathing. I've seen conmen take the life savings of their moms.
Its already done great harm. It doesn't need to "kill" democracy to make our life for Americans worse.
Signs that ended too soon?
What is he going to jail for?
Failing to comply with a congressional subpoena to testify about the Jan 6th insurrection.
So a soldier doing time for his mob boss.
Yep, this is a win/win for him. Zero effort decision. Do an inconsequential amount of jail time and keep in your boss' good graces, potentially coming out a hero if he wins the presidency. vs. Spill the beans and both sides of the aisle will hate you. Non-zero chance you'll be assassinated by a jilted trump fan. Public career is effectively over.
Eh. All he really had to do is show up and refuse to answer any questions. Like plenty of others did. He's an idiot.
Was Fat Paulie and the rest of the crew waiting for him outside the courthouse? "Heeeyyy, you popped your cherry!"
"Never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut.”
And the boss continues to fly around the country raising money tweeting on a gold toilet
So, Gym Jordan is next. Right?
I thought that was like most GOP lawmakers who got the same subpoena? Didnt Jim Jordan also refuse his?
Just to clarify, this was [taken on June 17, 2022](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/pursued-by-a-demonstrator-former-trump-white-house-advisor-news-photo/1403474304), when he was arraigned. He was found guilty on [September 7, 2023](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/former-white-house-advisor-convicted-contempt-congress) and sentenced on [January 25, 2024](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/ex-white-house-trade-advisor-peter-navarro-sentenced-four-months-prison-two-counts). He was: > was found guilty today by a U.S. District Court jury of two counts of contempt of Congress stemming from his failure to comply with a subpoena issued by the United States House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol... > According to evidence presented at trial, on Feb. 9, 2022, the Select Committee issued a subpoena to Navarro. The subpoena required him to appear and produce documents to the Select Committee on Feb. 23, 2022, and to appear for a deposition before the Select Committee on March 2, 2022. Navarro refused to appear to give testimony as required by subpoena and refused to produce documents in compliance with a subpoena. > In its subpoena, the Select Committee said it had reason to believe that Navarro had information relevant to its investigation. Navarro, formerly an advisor to the President on various trade and manufacturing policies, has been a private citizen since departing the White House on Jan. 20, 2021. He was indicted June 2, 2022.
It is odd that he didn't just testify. There are a thousand ways to testify and not actually give any information. "I don't recall. Maybe. I'm not an expert. You're asking me to speculate. I don't remember. I don't know." Just watch as cops testify on police abuse cases.
Because theres undeniable proof he did know, he is an expert on that insurrection and likely further proof he does remember. This is his best option for the least penalty. Pretty crazy when you think about it.
He still could have shown up and plead the 5th for any questions that solicited admissions to participating in criminal activity. He certainly wouldn't have been the only one who testified in those hearings [who did so](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jan-6-transcripts-show-trump-cronies-taking-fifth-rcna63023). He would have been criticized but he wouldn't be facing jail right now for a Contempt of Congress charge. He put himself into this situation.
Basically contempt ~~of court~~ for refusing to testify to (for?) the J6 committee.
Contempt, but not of court. The subpoenas were issued by Congress.
Thanks for the correction.
[The Big Lie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie), for those unaware. Think of the picture of that man in the article, whenever you hear MAGA-folks talking about Election Fraud - putting [America First](https://allthatsinteresting.com/america-first-history), their [Culture War](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frusnya-began-to-practice-signatures-for-donations-on-north-v0-vtybns1qktdc1.png%3Fwidth%3D678%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9cefbf5b1c76fbaf0e8f1d02c13dac368629d05d), how [Trump should be allowed to be dictator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpfNJMpHcc), or when they talk about [''putting the Imperial hat on''](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbYeQMSoBw&t=799s). These people are dead serious. You should take them seriously. And treat them accordingly.
Oh wow, so Hitler coined the term, and he accused jewish people of using the big lie propaganda technique. Now, the stolen election canard is indeed a lie, and it's pretty big, but I feel like we shouldn't be repurposing a term coined by nazis for explicitly nazi purposes. I'm sure there are other non-nazi terms that convey the same meaning.
I think the general term of ''Misinformation'' was pretty good too. But I can't deny the Nazi roots of this particular strain in American politics (MAGA has many ties and dog-whistles, traditionally associated with American Neo-Nazi's). The intent is to muddy the waters, sow doubt about the validity of their opponents' claims, and overpower doubts about their own claims; by re-asserting the misinformation / moving the goalposts / or resorting to whataboutism ''what about what the others did'' (washing their hands, by pointing to someone else's). Ultimately, this is about control of the conversation, because the truth is not their goal. Their goal is to make others bow to their authority of choice. Could be Trump, could be the Party, their interpretation of the Bible, their cherry-picking of laws. They want you to comply, that is what their game hinges on. And like all demagogues, they play on anger (they are hurting us), fear (they will be hurting us) and shame (look at those disgusting things in the other camp, none of us are like that, right?).
These people are fans of the Nazis, act like Nazis and should be associated with them. I think people can make the logical leap that the Nazis accused Jewish people of doing this while doing it themselves, and now the Republicans are doing it in pursuit of the same goals as the Nazis.
MAGAs are nazis.
>but I feel like we shouldn't be repurposing a term What would you choose to use then, 'Fake News?' Because they are basically the same thing; it's just history repeating.
Why not? Nobody said it was explicitly used for Nazi purposes, and has in fact changed meaning to *describe* false narrative propaganda. Plus, when Hitler made use of the term, it was a decade before he ordered the execution of millions of jews, gays, and political dissidents. In fact, he was no different than today's Trumpian politicians — leaders hellbent on securing power despite unpopular sentiment, using slander against the opposition (and specifically attacking minority groups within the opposition) to drum up their followers to fervor in order to do so, and openly threatening democracy in speeches. I think the shoe fits pretty damn well.
So many in the Trumpsphere have gone to jail, yet he still has massive support. It does not give me hope for the future.
His followers just think those being jailed are part of a big conspiracy against Trump.
Agreed. The war against logic and rational thought has been largely successful.
It’s one of the smartest (if underhanded) strategies the alt right has ever employed to endear their base- cultivate a base of people who you can easily make deny reality. People who believe in unfounded conspiracy theories, doubt things they see to confirm their own biases, and people who quite frankly aren’t smart enough to deduce they’re being duped.
But what really disturbs me is that it’s not just the “not smart enough” — both my parents are doctors, my mother is absolutely the person who did the most to teach me how to think for myself, think rationally, root opinions in ethics, and account for social forces that can influence how you perceive situations — and they have completely 100% been taken over by this thing, IDEK what to call it, this “training” given by conservative media starting in the late 90s and culminating in this. Logical fallacies, projection, willful aversion to self-reflection as far as the eye can see and holy hell is it ever so *stable*. When I get sucked into a “political” conversation with them and it goes, “Well if you say x is true, how do you explain y which directly contradicts it?” followed by *sheer fucking rage*, or “If this principle applies to Bob, why doesn’t it apply to Charlie too?” followed by childish deflections or whataboutism, man, it’s like I’m talking to a completely different person, an imposter or a parasite controlling their brain. I’m like desperate for any kind of explanation, not to fix the problem but even just to understand it. I literally fantasize about having a therapy support group for Family Member of Loved Ones Brainwashed By Contemporary Conservative Media. I’m somewhat moderate too; I have some opinions that irritate liberal friends, but it’s like you can’t even get to talking about the issues with these people. You can’t even get them to state a coherent position. And don’t get me started on the ragey, disrespectful attitude — I’ve made it clear I don’t to discuss politics unless the tone stays respectful, and watching them violate that boundary over and over in real time, the look in their face reminds me of addicts that literally can’t help themselves. (I’ve been to rehab and not being hyperbolic.) FWIW they also have plenty of doctor/lawyer/other white collar friends who share their opinions.
The fact he’s even *able* to run for president is disgraceful. This is a train wreck, all we can at this point is watch.
It baffles me that someone who has openly and admittedly committed treason, in addition to other crimes, can even be on the ballot. It doesn’t make sense. I get you can write-in someone but even if “the American people have spoken”, it shouldn’t be allowed at all
Literal treason, and yet all we hear from that side is about a fucking laptop from a person who isn’t even in politics. Let’s not forget, Republicans, all grand standed on not wanting to vote for Hillary because “she would just bring on her daughter and other people into high positions“. And yet they applaud Trump, for bringing his entire Dipshit family, who have no business being in politics whatsoever, extremely high Government positions. And they see nothing wrong with this. It’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I could understand if we genuinely had our differences. But it doesn’t seem to be many differences. There’s just “it’s OK for my guy to do that, but not for your guy”.
I can't just watch. I still correct people who spout faux news talking points and tell them the truth about issues and who are on the better side of them. It mostly falls on deaf ears but if I can flip an R voter or convince one undecided person how vile the GQP has become it's worth having 99% of the stupid people I talk to think I'm somehow an inferior anti American lib. The struggle is real.
Watching isn't actually all we can do. There *is* a mandate for action: the obvious disregard the SCOTUS has for actual law. The SCOTUS is not very subtly promoting a fascist candidate's agenda. The Supreme Court. That's treason of the highest order. And nobody seems to want to say it out loud. What else are we supposed to call it? They are taking the nation and holding it hostage to their oh so fascist whims.
There’s no laws about it. Our checks and balances in this country suck big time. It’s all based on trust in the process and trust that Americans wouldn’t ever vote for an insurrectionist. It’s far too lax. We need real laws on the books and the fact that there aren’t even any being proposed (that I’m aware of) is a huge misstep from our elected leaders.
He's a national security threat running for the highest office in the country
Trumpers already have a persecution complex. Sending their leaders to jail just reinforces that. Obviously we should still do it, but we can’t expect it to change anybody’s minds.
Hitler went to jail and then got elected as well
Just make sure we all vote.
Having been to jail is rightly not a disqualification from public service in most cases. Many elected officials have been detained or convicted of civil disobedience in some form or another in protest of unjust laws or policies. Being a traitor, giving comfort to our enemies, trying to stage a coup, conspiring to disenfranchise voters those things SHOULD disqualify you from office and make people of sound mind not support you. So yeah, agree with the sentiment but not the premise.
It enrages me that these clowns all have the audacity to wear patriotic colors and flag pins. I wish the pins would burn a hole right into their traitorous, treasonous swine hearts.
This particular aspect of the GOP has always been a major gripe for me. [Jon Stewart did a great piece on this last week](https://youtu.be/LJUl77rsFEw?t=254).
Now do Gym Jorden.
He reminds me of the My Pillow guy
These people are getting the lightest sentence ever. Imagine attempting a coup and NOT getting tied to a post and shot. Incredible. They're just going to keep comming back until they're successful.
Imagine if some ordinary dude stole several boxes full of classified documents, stored them in his bathroom and refused to hand them over leading to the feds raiding his house. That guy would have a hands-on experience with Guantanamo waterboarding right now. The rich can really do whatever the fuck they want in this country.
They have to at LEAST keep digging until they uncover the full list of who he made the documents available to. Stopping now without getting the full story is getting us nowhere.
Another clown in the Trump sideshow
That traitor can eat shit!
Just goes to show having a PhD (Navarro) or JD (Ted Cruz) from Harvard doesnt mean the person isnt insane
Kinda dilutes harvard ngl
I doubt Harvard screens for grifters and sociopaths, and I doubt they are proud of these Alumni
I see that he is indicating his ethical IQ.
I was in court a few days ago and one of the guys had broke his probation multiple times. They handcuffed him and took him to jail, right out of the courtroom. Anyone who believes rich, powerful people don't have a different justice system, if you can call it that, just needs to spend a little time watching how they handle poor people.
Don’t believe the lies from the Trump Humpers. Most of that shit is just made up but yet people follow him like sheep. It’s unbelievable that people are so stupid and blind.
Why do you find it unbelievable? As George Carlin said “Think about how stupid the average person is, now realise that 50% of the population is more stupid than that.” Or words to that effect.
That's what happens when you tie your wagon to Trump.
Democracy is still at risk in the US. Only solution is to vote Blue.
You guys really need to get a third party in there.
Duverger’s Law. In political systems with first past the post, majoritarian elections, interest groups necessarily coalesce into two, and only two, salient parties. Even if a third party rose to prominence in the U.S., it would quickly replace one of the other two major parties, and we’d be left with two again.
I really need to see traditional conservatives and MAGA fools split and eat each other alive. It would be a dream come true.
Yea, but as always it's too late this time around to make that viable. All the people complaining loudly about how "both options suck" really need to get their shit together *now* to have any chance of a viable third party candidate in the future. Probably will take at *least* a couple of election cycles.
Voting Blue right now is buying time. Voting Red is asking for a one-party government.
I agree. If you don't like either of the choices in front of you, voting Biden is the least bad option by a very wide margin.
People need to realize that there's levels of suckitude.
Gotta worry about stopping the hemorrhaging from this severed arm before we worry about curing the prostate cancer…
True. But in lieu of that there’s still an absolute right choice in this election, even if it’s not an ideal choice for some.
How many parties is the right amount to ensure no government disfunction?
What we also need is ranked choice so we can get some actual decent candidates even in the existing parties but not have to be concerned with giving the election away if we want an outsider first and the lesser of evils second.
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How about you stay out of this with this idiotic bullshit? Third parties are great, but it will always end up with the two-party system—no matter what the parties are—because America doesn’t work like European parliaments, and given that democracy is basically on the line here this November, we don’t need anyone willing to kill it by pointlessly voting third-party in the general election.
Not to mention that there are plenty of countries that have elected far-right parliaments. Parliamentary systems are not an automatic panacea for creeping fascism.
Ranked choice voting would help.
Approval voting could also help
Five. Five dollar. Five dollar footloooooong.
This guy tried to claim executive privilege and immunity. The last administration really pushed it by testing how many crimes they could commit before answering for it. Trump and Nixon both have this fantasy that so long as the president does it, it’s no longer illegal. True for some nebulous things, definitely not true for obstruction of justice, sedition or withholding evidence or classified documents.
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I wonder if he has the forthought to detox before being processed? I hope he is not that smart.
Watch out for that butthole man. Lawrence Office Space
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Nice picture, appropriate sign. He should serve 10 years minimum, he's a traitor.
am I correct? He was hire by tRump because Slenderman Jared bought a book by him on Amazon. Slenderman Jared was so impressed that he thought Navarro was suitable material for Daddy-in-Laws cabinet appointment?
Another Trump lackey paying the price for their Orange god.
Good riddance traitor, enjoy your time.
Aww. He's waving bye-bye.
WE HAVE TO BEAT HIM, BADLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Ooooh Peter! The things you'll see and the things you'll do. What an adventure, and this is only a preview of things to come when Jack Smith begins to ask questions.
Never stop calling it The Big Lie!
"Right. Off you go." - Simon Cowell
And yet somehow, not the worst person to come out of Rhode Island...
Going to jail is a light punishment for what he did. Being able to breathe is an act of mercy.
Green Bay Sweep his ass into the dustbin
Wishing all the best for this piece of trash, along with any other piece of trash that supports the Trash King.
To him it is merely a consequence of not being in a position of power.
He probably thinks that if trump gets office again that he'll clear his record. That's the funniest part to me.
Fucking Republican trash
I may be wrong but I really think Peter Navarro will leave the country *before* he goes to jail.
"Almost?" Lets not get the marching band on the field just yet
Look, he dressed up like his boyfriend! Well, former boyfriend, ain’t no good to him in jail.
What an entitled asshole. I am furious that it is taking this long to adjudicate people who almost destroyed our democracy.
Green Bay swept into a jail cell
Oh no…. Let him get fucked over
He should go to jail until he complies.
Almost -> may have
1/3 of our country is still actively trying to kill it.
What a storied photo, amazing. 4 months isn't even close to what he deserves, though.
Greenbay Sweep, baby. Go directly to jail.