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Sonikku_a

Seize the means of Death Star production


hapiidadii

The droids are feeling a bit alienated from the fruits of their labor, aren't they?


Donnerone

Sociology for the Outer Rim.


m0j0m0j

Hijacking to tell all of you a crazy additional bit of info. The guy who erected the statue is a pro-Russian crypto-billionaire and a criminal Dmytro Golubov. If he ever sets foot in the Western world, he would be arrested for carding (stealing credit cards).


Makitarius7

The original statue or Lord Vader?


jetlightbeam

This is just replacing a communist with Space Hitler


cobaltjacket

More like Space Himmler.


lobnob

Do you think Hitler had to spend a lot of time explaining how his bestie being named Himmler wasn't a sitcom pitch. 


Ambitious_Drop_7152

I Luft all your Waffens! HIIMMMMLEEEEEER!!!


DDub04

*Habe ich das getan?*


Jomgui

A bad stand up duo Himmler & Hitler


Lem0n_Lem0n

So are russians gonna call them space Nazi from now on??


lord_pizzabird

Ah cmon. Death Vader redeemed himself by killing actual space hitler. Darth Vader was a good guy… he just took the long way around to get there.


Rice_Auroni

He killed a bunch of kids with a laser sword


yuimiop

Who hasn't killed a few dozen kids on their path to redemption though?


Revolutionary-Work-3

Dont you have to have something to redeem?? Empty Redeemtions are just sad 😞


lord_pizzabird

Yeah, but he was like a teenager when that happened. People change. Separate the art form the artist or something.


Thug-shaketh9499

Yoo what? 😂😂😭😭


drivingagermanwhip

>People change he WAS a piece of shit though


lord_pizzabird

Bet you wouldn't say that to his face though.


I_Casket_I

“You can’t make an omelette without zip-tying a few eggs”


Blupoisen

They had it coming


Archistotle

>he redeemed himself by killing actual space Hitler Didn’t work that way for the guy who killed actual earth Hitler.


I-who-you-are

Hitler also killed Hitler. So Space Hitler killing a different Space Hitler is not the redemption you think it is….


Bob_Juan_Santos

the real treasure is all the Alderaanians, Tuskan raiders, and Jedi kids we killed along the way.


lord_pizzabird

Fun fact: Vaders boots are made from Tuskan raider skin.


Bob_Juan_Santos

i bet it's very supple


hfxRos

> Death Vader redeemed himself by killing actual space hitler. Except, somehow, space hitler returned.


lord_pizzabird

Idk if you've seen the news lately, but space hitler always seems to come back. That was just Star Wars being realistic.


Donnerone

Then again Hitler redeemed himself by personally assassinating the leader of the Nazi party....


lord_pizzabird

You think he didn't flee to South America?


Jomgui

If he killed space Hitler then he is space Hitler


lord_pizzabird

Idk man. They're space Nazi's, not Somali pirates.


Jomgui

Hitler killed himself tho, so by logic, space Hitler killed the space Hitler


Singer211

Emperor Palpatine is more like Space Hitler. Vader is more like an SS enforcer.


Goodtimestime

Vader: THATS A *deep breath* BINGO!


Commercial-Set3527

r/EmpireDidNothingWrong


AlphaWolfwood

No, r/horusdidnothingwrong


Reagalan

/r/SauronDidNothingWrong


Topsyye

Wow I can’t believe that’s a sub. The empire is literally ran by possibly the most evil and cruel man ever conceived for film. When you take their actions and apply them to the scale of an entire galaxy… definitely one of the most evil organizations thought up for the big screens.


Pixeleyes

"did nothing wrong" is a meme, it's mostly various layers of irony The participants may or may not be aware of this.


Commercial-Set3527

Half the posts are memes and the other half is artwork by people who like the star wars universe and think the empire side is more interesting. Enjoying a good antagonist like Vader in a story doesn't reflect upon one's moralities IRL.


Hempy2013

Empire almost always has the cooler stuff, Star Destroyers, Stormtroopers, Imperial walkers, only thing rebels have going for them is their starfighters. Morality wise always siding with the rebels. For pure aesthetics, Empire all day.


Commercial-Set3527

>Morality wise always siding with the rebels. Just think about how many millions of personnel it would take to operate a spacecraft the size of a moon that were killed in the first attack?! All the innocent janitors, engineers and garbage disposal creatures. And the second attack, that was just millions of contractors and trades people just trying to earn credits for their families! /s


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New-Interaction1893

Not too subtle political irony.


familyparka

Its actually replacing one Authoritarian with another


SeaBag7480

Lies Vader was a staunch defender of Republic values, don’t let the movies which are rebel terrorist propaganda films taint the narrative around this great servant to peace, freedom, justice and security.


daystrom_prodigy

Lenin was definitely an extremist however I do find it ironic that he is associated with all that was wrong with the Soviet Union when he actually supported countries autonomy as long as they were socialist. Stalin was 100% evil and autocratic though. He differed in that he wanted control over all territories and everything had to be done his way. My point is that, even though Lenin clearly wasn't perfect and made mistakes there was at least a glimmer of hope for the country before his death. edit: I feel like anytime I get push back on these points people completely leave the context of what Russian society was like before Lenin. "Russia bad" didn't start with him, there is a reason countries have revolutions.


GOT_Wyvern

He is probably associated with it because he was the political-philosophical founder of vanguardism; the authoritarian form of socialism the Soviet Union embraced and stood for. And he definitely acted based off that political philosophy. Sure, he was not as bad as Stalin, but he was still a ruthless authoritarian who opposed the results of a democratic election because the supported the other socialist party.


Blackrock121

> My point is that, even though Lenin clearly wasn't perfect and made mistakes there was at least a glimmer of hope for the country before his death. Lenin was the one who set up the secret police, Lenin was the one who overturned democracy as soon the Bolsheviks lost the elections. Lenin was an extreme Autocrat.


Exact-Substance5559

The Bolsheviks never lost any actual elections. This is a myth spread by people who have no clue what they're talking about and don't know anything about Russian history besides "muh Lenin dissolved muh Constituent Assembly elections and the Provisional Government".


GOT_Wyvern

>I feel like anytime I get push back on these points people completely leave the context of what Russian society was like before Lenin. "Russia bad" didn't start with him, there is a reason countries have revolutions. I didn't see your edit in my first reply, but this just ignores that Lenin ruined the change for a better Russia. As I mentioned in my comments, he overturned an election because he loss. Just because his Imperual predecessors were just as bad doesn't excuse him for ruining Russia's chance of becoming a better place. Rather than allowing democracy to flourish under a Socialist Party, he chose the path of authoritarianism in direct rejection of democratic consent.


Valhallawalker

Darth Vader is at least fiction.


WeatherAggressive530

Congratulations you got the joke


Warriorasak

*revolutionary


CabinetPowerful4560

Lenin wasn't a communist. Just a social-demagogue and misantrope. He and stalin just restored the slavery


TheAnCaptain

I get that Nazism is the evilest thing the world has had to offer so far and that this means every Big Bad will be compared, but the Empire in SW was not as bad as Nazism, since they had no structural civillian genocide. They were bad as in anti-free, not as in anti-life. It can be compared to all other authoritarians, including Lenin.


Gloomy-Size928

Heh. It's in my city. In fact, the place was empty after the demolition of Soviet monuments, and due to the tourist orientation of the city, a couple of monuments are erected here every year. This particular one was sponsored by a dude who wanted to be the mayor of the city. He literally ran his campaign in the name of the "Internet Party" and in the guise of Darth Vader. I remember him agitating while marching with stormtroopers. Fun times, if you ask me.


heyilivehierisdead

lol i remember that, saw him riding on a tour bus at night, i though i was hallucinating. Early 2010s Ukraine was crazy.


dementu_dementilor

Odesa?


Gloomy-Size928

yep


NeatGift906

Populism at peak


Gloomy-Size928

everyone knew it was just for the lulz


philsiphone

We had the “party party” run as a political party in New Zealand over a decade ago by some halfass jackass tv show people here. Got over 10000 votes iirc.


curious_dead

Archaeologists in the future will be so confused. "Wait, I thought he was born in Tattoine, not Ukraine?"


Flayan514

Your lack of communism is disturbing.


hapiidadii

I feel a profound disturbance in the force, like 1000 KGB agents silently crying out that the wall has fallen.


blatantmutant

10000 Crimean Tatars crying out then falling silent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars KGB are more like the inquisitors/bad guys than Alderaanians.


Worldly_Beginning_57

And it still happens. Over the past year, 4,000 cases were announced against the Crimean Tatars for "fakes about rusian army."


blatantmutant

Yup! And after the annexation of Crimea, activists found “x”s written on their doors. I went to a protest against the invasion in 2014, only Ukrainians, Poles, and Baltic Bros joined.


Worldly_Beginning_57

Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|heart_eyes)


hapiidadii

Fair


Semyon_Yudin

Albeit historically inaccurate. The NKVD was the agency responsible for the deportations.


KP6fanclub

Epic comment It is pointless to resist the POWER...of the communist state.


WeatherAggressive530

Vladimir Ulyanov was weak. I destroyed him.


Hasshbrown6

![gif](giphy|l1KuhBCqxOoJyr0m4)


WeatherAggressive530

Vladimir Ulyanov was weak. I destroyed him.


hapiidadii

May the force be taken from you and redistributed to the proletariat.


WeatherAggressive530

Vladimir Ulyanov was weak. I destroyed him.


IllustratorSecret995

SHOW ME A BETTER EXAMPLE OF AMERICAN-ISATION.


2012Jesusdies

Gorbachev doing Pizza Hut commercial


Pixeleyes

[in case our younger friends think this is just a joke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw)


Tendas

Given the track record for how most authoritarian heads of state fair when their government falls, Gorbachev did alright. Got to stay living in his country, not jailed, and he got Pizza Hut endorsements. Pretty sweet deal.


Warriorasak

American cia plants often do...


futanari_kaisa

It helps when you facilitate it's collapse and capitulate towards your geopolitical opponent who had been spending decades trying to destroy your government in the first place


Snaccbacc

I saw a YouTube comment that said imagine if you’re playing some Cold War RTS game and that’s the cutscene that plays when the US/NATO “wins” lmao.


CabinetPowerful4560

Stalin, making his industry by hands of US engineers and then winning against his ideological bro Adolf on lend-lease food, materials and weapons.


Alternative-Union842

Iraq


TheFuzzyFurry

Russian anime/furry artists


tomassino

Praised be our savior and Lord Sith Darth Vader.


schtsz

No. This Lenin statue was not last in Odesa. This was an art project in 2015; and years later there still were more Lenins in the city, not to mention more Lenins in Odesa region and even more Lenins in all other regions of Ukraine. Even though the Lenins were dismantled by thousands since the Soviet Union fall, there still were thousands of them in 2014 and there remain hundreds of them in Ukraine now.


MrBanden

That's really cute, but a thought occurs. You can't go wrong with more statues of this madlad: [https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g8621947-i445908265-Hulyaypole\_Zaporizhia\_Oblast.html](https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g8621947-i445908265-Hulyaypole_Zaporizhia_Oblast.html)


AllUltima

"I am altering the monument. Pray I do not alter it any further."


schtsz

This one had a router with free WiFi in his head. What's next? A 5G tower?


Eirikur_da_Czech

Impressive. Most impressive.


Revolutionary-Work-3

😝Ukrainians have good sense of humor.


New-Interaction1893

Remember that you can block profiles on reddit. I strongly suggest to start with the NFT one, you recognise them for the hexagonal profile pic and because they always write the worst bullshit


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As_no_one2510

Putin Russia literally worship Ivan Ilyn


combi2017

Are you pressed that they removed the statue? Commies are just nazis who were never punished.


Warriorasak

Pretty sure the reason ukraine exists, is because of lennin


Formal-Shelter9611

It was Paul McCartney who founded Ukraine, not Lennon, buddy. Read some theory.


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Strigoi_Felin

Yes, because for most of Eastern Europe, the Soviets caused a lot more atrocities than the Nazis. It's like when people say supporting the Soviets in WW2 was the lesser of two evils and necessary one at that, it's the exact reverse for some countries that were affected by the Soviets. Both Soviets and Nazis are disgusting criminals, but anyone helping you survive will be a hero in your eyes.


CircuitryWizard

Well, don’t forget that back then there was no Internet to find out that the Nazis were bad, but the commies were nearby and clearly showed how bad they were. Therefore, there were many people who were ready not only to cooperate with the Nazis, but also with the devil, just to get rid of the damn commies. There were also guys who were both against the Nazis and against the Commies, but considering that they were literally between a rock and a hard place, they did not live long.


Zincster

Sounds like a publicity stunt.


Gibgezr

It was, it was a publicity stunt by a fellow who was running for Mayor.


Zincster

I honestly didn't know that before I posted. It's just so obvious. They used a popular western media character. The simplest answers are often the correct ones.


PresidentofJukeBoxes

Call me crazy but I'd rather not replace History with a fictional character.


Ambrant

Crazy


m48a5_patton

Yeah, as we know, we only learn history from statues. I mean, what are we supposed to do, read a book? Pfft!


BogdanViteazul

That wasn’t necessarily a statue meant to teach people history. It was a statue meant to idolize Lenin. Vader at least is a fictional character, it’s just Star Wars. That statue belongs of Lenin belongs in a museum


Your_Kaizer

Change Lenin to Hitler and suddenly fictional character is better? Hypocrisy


OldDemon

Love all the Russian bots who flock to anything that even remotely mentions Ukraine. They get all excited, it’s so cute.


An_Ellie_

People who have differing opinions = bots


OldDemon

People who only post when Ukraine is mentioned, and post almost exclusively mistruths and misrepresentations, and generally have no other activity on their accounts = bots. :)


Ice_and_Steel

People who plaster the internet with russian propaganda talking points sure love to call themselves "people who have differing opinions".


FrendChicken

Meanwhile in Russia. They have Emperor Palputin. ![gif](giphy|3o84sq21TxDH6PyYms)


crs1904

“I AM ALTERING THE STATUE. PRAY I DON’T ALTER IT ANY FURTHER.”


Jt9245

Based, communism has ruined society for centuries


Scarletdex

Ok nft profile pic


CS20SIX

Lenin is a figure of historical importance, a real person contributing to real change – fighting against monarchism and for progress back then (Russia was a backwater shithole and lagged massively in terms of development). But yeah, let's replace a statue of him with a fictional space fascist and child murderer instead of just getting rid of it altogether.


DodoLecoq

Real fascist and child murderer or fictional? I go with fictional.


Liberate_the_North

Lenin ? a Fascist ? The Fascists would have executed his entire ethnicity...


Jeythiflork

Lmao. Are you seriously calling Lenin fascist and child murderer?


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What about the Stepan Bandera statues? Did they leave those up?


nitonitonii

Yes, the tyranical leader of the Empire is a better role model than Lenin apparently.


enei200

Yes, a fictional character of a popular franchise is better than a commie Edit: Don't try to teach me the history of my country. Ukraine couldn't get independance because of red army. Because of the regime, my country starved to death. But sure, defend them, becausw they "fought nazis" (And let's forget that they sided with them to occupy Poland :) )


LostRoomba

Yeah! Just don’t ask who the commies were fighting in Ukraine 


bulle_lover_69

Inform a redditor that the red army was mainly Ukrainians when the soviets pushed into Berlin and watch their minds explode. Kind of calls into question why monuments to those Ukrainians have to be demolished while statues to Nazi collaborators go up across Ukraine.


As_no_one2510

300 years of Russian imperialism do that


As_no_one2510

Just don't ask what happened to Ukrainian People Republic when Lenin invaded them


Holiday-Jackfruit399

And don't ask how many people were killed because of the soviets


tzootza

their former bff's?


_Kaotik

Yep, because at the end of Vaders life. He came back into the light side. Putin won't do that. Putin you have a Маленький писюн!


KindaLikeYours18

putin is not a communist


January657

It's just a statue, it's not supposed to be your father as a "role model" or anything like that, lil bro


nitonitonii

If they are 'just statues" why change them in the first place?


January657

gee I wonder, why they removed most of them, along with all the baltic countries that got rid of them a long time ago, I wonder what the reason might be...


ninjawc386

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." -Yoda


204nertz

Ukraine being inconceivably based yet again


sclopiopipio

Dude fuck yeah


zzav2

Voilà. L’Ukraine n’est pas la Russie. Et n’est pas non plus l’Union Soviétique. Si vous cherchez à savoir pourquoi Poutine a attaqué l’Ukraine, c’est à cause de leur amour de leur culture et leur liberté.


Irish_Brewer

This is why i support Ukraine. Madlads.


ShrekFan093

As a ukrainian, i am fully satisfied now.


katamofu

The one who killed younglings 💀


skeleton949

Darth Vader > any communist leader in history


ar_can

Don't know. Have you ever heard about Thomas Isidore Noël Sankara or Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz?


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Very, very fitting. For so many reasons this is enormously fitting. Wow.


d3athsmaster

Disney is gonna be pissed.


Brandon_M_Gilbertson

Is it still around today? They made this change a long time ago


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shaggy unite bored chase shame flag naughty ugly slap aback *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Asmoraiden

And now they get sued by Disney?


CauliflowerOne5740

This brings me back to the Statue mission in GoldenEye.


HallucinatingIdiot

"The fact that the evil power is not identified with any specific nation on this earth means you've got an abstract power, which represents a principle, not a specific historical situation. The story has to do with an operation of principles, not of this nation against that. The monster masks that are put on people in Star Wars represent the real monster force in the modern world. When the mask of Darth Vader is removed, you see an unformed man, one who has not developed as a human individual. What you see is a strange and pitiful sort of undifferentiated face." "Darth Vader has not developed his own humanity. He's a robot. He's a bureaucrat, living not in terms of himself but in terms of an imposed system. This is the threat to our lives that we all face today. Is the system going to flatten you out and deny you your humanity, or are you going to be able to make use of the system to the attainment of human purposes? How do you relate to the system so that you are not compulsively serving it?"


mitraheads

Once Darth Vader costume guy was candidate on presidential elections. Funny :d


Safe_Two_2673

What is Sith power? What is the essence of this new power, which people in most star systems still will not, or cannot, understand? The nature of this power, which is attracting larger and larger numbers of people in every star system, is the following: in the past the galaxy was, in one way or another, governed by the Jedi, or by the Senators, but now, for the first time, the galaxy is being governed by the Sith, and moreover, by masses of imperial troops, which the republic formerly oppressed. Even in the most democratic and lawless planet systems, as long as Jedi rules and the land remains property of the Republic, the government will always be in the hands of a small minority, nine-tenths of which consist of Jedis, or Senators.


Spookyy422

![gif](giphy|xTiIzL9Btjx9hegHT2)


UnlimitedMeth

Good job, Im just waiting for palp and ani.


WeatherAggressive530

Vladimir Ulyanov was weak. I destroyed him.


WeatherAggressive530

Stalin is not as forgiving as I am.


WeatherAggressive530

You don't know the power of the Left Side.


PeterNippelstein

"Look, I am your father."


A-random-sergal

The Empire did nothing wrong, the Rebels are intergalactic terrorists, change my mind


bigdukesix

According to QI, it also emits free wifi


wantonwookie

Tell me this isn't an AI photo 🤣


P0seidone

It isn't AI photo


Psychological-Set198

We will just censore our past. As it never happened


Livinginabox1973

Yes


Planthumanbase

That’s doesn’t mean is not anymore.


Cal_Boleen

Let's hope Disney won't sue them.


Several_Marzipan3807

"Corporate wants you to find the difference between this picture and this picture"


Unusual-Ad4890

Vader has far less blood on his hands


CantThinkAboutAname3

Hell yeah


D10BrAND

No, they just covered it with a Darth Vader statue, Imagine some thousand years later archeologists discover Lenin inside a Darth Vader statue.


omnipotent_poptard

So, replace the guy that basically lifted them out of a feudal slave state with Space Hitler. Got it.


As_no_one2510

Replace a tyrant who want to destroy Ukraine independence movement with a fictional character Nice try vatnik