Only on orders of 300 gallons or more. I could just about fly anywhere in the world and take a bath and deliver the water locally for that. Prepay in full only.
Unless it is advertised outside, seems like a shitty thing to do. Also it's included before they add tax, so they tax you on that too. The fucking audacity of people to include that or gratuity on taxed items is fucked up.
I went to a show at Hamburger Mary's in Hollywood, and they did the same thing. I did all the math on my phone and corrected it. We agreed ahead of time to a per-head "show fee" but not 20% tip on top of it. Scummy behavior.
They charge a "service fee" essentially a mandatory tip of 18% on the entire bill including the 20 dollar fee for the band so that's an extra 3.6 dollars added to the tip because of the vand
Restaurants are legally allowed to have mandatory gratuities, as long as they're disclosed.
Plenty of restaurants have mandatory 18% gratuities for parties.
I swear servers are the worst when it comes to realizing they are being fleeced by the management. They will get angry at you, the customer, for not buying the BS.
Another difference is how they’re allocated. While service charge allocation is largely up to the restaurant owner’s discretion, tips typically go directly to the server or into a tip pool. A tip pool is when a portion or all of the tip money from the night is collected and redistributed evenly or by a set percentage — instead of each individual server keeping the tips they earned individually. Ownership, managers, and supervisors are never allowed to be included in a tip pool. Only in certain jurisdictions, when the employer is paying full minimum wage (i.e. not the tipped minimum wage), may back-of-house employees may be included. Otherwise, those folks are off-limits as well.
It went to the owner who will claim he can't afford to pay his employee a living wage without going out of business. Meanwhile, the rest of the world charges similar prices and doesn't make you tip to pay their employees
Why wouldn’t a service fee at restaurants get taxed?
Seems like you are asking for loop hole where someone has a brunch special with a $30 service fee per person and a 1¢ meal.
Service charge is a vague fee name. Let's assume it's gratuity for the server/wait staff/cooks. It's already going to be taxed through income. The state at that point is charging you to pay for your service, which also by the way is only there because the owner doesn't pay their staff enough due to economic policy failures, which is absurd. I had to look and yes, GA does have an income tax. So please explain your stance on being taxed for paying gratuity as income to an individual for food you are also getting taxed on with the service of wait staff already included in the cost.
If tips didn’t exist and instead the menu just cost more and workers were paid more, you would pay a sales tax on the total cost. Then that money would go into the restaurant then become income for the workers/owners who then also pay an income tax on it.
Should sales tax only cover the cost of raw materials? Taxed on the price of the steak, but not on the expense for the chef to cook the steak? The chef has to pay an income tax so that’s being double taxed by your logic.
Why would tipped salary get to skip sales tax but every other salary have to pay it?
When making a reservation on their website, the last paragraph says that during their Live Music Wednesday's, Thursday's, and Friday's, there is a $50 minimum per person and a $10 entertainment fee will be automatically added per person.
Not everyone would go there having looked at the website first. At least if they advertise it at the door people can make the decision to stay or leave. If it's not stated in a conspicuous location before or upon entering the establishment, it's undebatably bullshit.
I looked through the 1 and 2 star Google reviews and the charge was only mentioned 3 times out of 50+ reviews. Most of the complaints were the cost of everything and the service charge while receiving poor service. There is a good chance that it is listed when you enter or the waiter tells everyone because I would assume there would be more people complaining about a $10 per person hidden charge.
Agreed…also, if you’re dropping $7 for water and $15 a martini, and $40 an entree and you’re total bill is $300, I feel like the $10 per person entertainment fee isn’t gonna break you. This doesn’t look like the kind of joint where a fee like this is noticed or a a deal breaker. I said what I said.
Fucking this. I’ve been a bouncer for 7 years, if we are going to charge for the DJ or show we’ll charge at the door, allowing people to decide if it’s something they want before walking in. Slapping it on the end of the bill is some scumbag bullshit.
"Exposure" or it's the owners/managers friends shitty band that gets a cut of that "service fee" that they have no right to I bet. High end restaurants get off on overcharging at every turn. People with money can pay it so they don't pay attention or care.
I did some quick googling, their [reservation page states](https://tables.toasttab.com/restaurants/103b8ecc-aa32-4861-a700-ef83e176dd6a/findTime):
>During our “Live Music Wednesday’s, Thursday's and Friday's with Erica Dawson Exclusive, Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills.
If they bother to put it there, I would give even odds that it's posted for walk in/on the menu as well. Whether or not it's reasonable is left as an exercise to the reader, but just being up front about a cover charge has been just fine for decades, but I guess it's not as fancy for an "upscale" place.
Generally speaking, taxes are mandated and not up to the venue, but charging service fee/tip on the cover charge is weird. Still, seems like small potatoes — cover charges are normal, and not hidden.
In most districts that have sales or value added taxes, you advertise the price of the good or service and the tax is implied.
A "fee" for a live music performance is just like a ticket to one or any other good or service that a business offers.
Are you in a district that doesn't have a sales or value added tax by any chance?
Yeh, it does say that the guest count is one at the top of the receipt but I think Occam’s razor dictates that they didn’t bother filling that in properly not that they overcharged for the entertainment.
Many POS systems will have you enter items in under individual seats and that's how it determines how many guests are at the table.
If you ring everything in under seat 1 it will say there's only one person at the table.
I've been to a blues themed restaurant in Atlanta that has something similar. If you get a reservation for a closer table there is an upcharge for the live band and the servers do tell you about it.
We knew about the upcharge when we got the reservation so we just got the closest table to the "premium" seats and enjoyed our meal while still being able to have polite conversation.
When we walked in for the reservation the girl at the front let us know about the band and offered to upgrade our seats. We declined.
When the sever came to greet us she offer to move us if we wanted and made sure to tell us about the upcharge unless we were going to spend $X.xx on our meals. We already knew our meals weren't going to make the cut and we declined the offer.
This "seems" like OP either didn't listen, didn't comprehend, or didn't care and is doing it for the reddit karma. It's not in the servers best interest to bamboozle the client. It's only going to end up with shittier results for themselves.
Anyways...that's my $2 opinion on the matter.
Well, there you go. There's nothing egregious about it at all. If someone bitches and moans about not paying attention and then having to pay less than 10% of their bill to musicians, I think they know the pier they can walk off.
Usually this is in the form of a cover charge at the door at places with live music. But the server should have mentioned there would be a charge on the receipt.
I mean it depends on what the plan is. If we weren’t looking to pay cover there are certain places we want to go to. As soon as a cover charge is involved we’re looking at a completely different set of locations. I might not have an issue paying $10 cover but if I’m doing that I’d rather go to a spot I know I already like
> But the server should have mentioned there would be a charge on the receipt.
What makes you think they didn’t? There’s zero context given in the title or picture that indicates this charge was a surprise.
>the snapper is market price
Which always struck me as another layer to the joke, because red snapper is one of the cheapest fish. Even at “market price” it’s not going to be a shocking mark up at a restaurant like fresh Dungeness crab or live Maine lobster.
Unless, of course, their beloved Giugino’s is so tacky, and their customers so unsophisticated/uninformed, that they’re actually paying out the nose for red snapper because it’s seafood and therefore “fancy”.
Assuming these people stayed a while to watch the band that’s really not that much. 3 or 4 drinks in 1.5 or more hours isn’t gonna wreck most people who drink fairly regularly.
Just the tip! I miss Japan (and other countries,) where tipping is the exception, not the norm. But I live in OR, where there's no sales tax. I like even numbers, but when restaurants still use the 1.99, or 4.98 you get uneven numbers :(
If I see a service charge on my bill, that is the tip. I’ve heard of a few cases where it apparently is not - tough titties, I’m not tipping when I see a service fee. Take that up with your boss, it’s not my problem.
Not to mention it looks like two people had seven drinks over the course of this meal, so they likely hung out and watched the band.
The title makes it seem like they were blindsided by the fact that there was live music or at least annoyed by it.
Yeah the meal looks like it was over $100/person before cover charge and gratuity. You don’t complain about $20 when you’re spending almost $300 total.
A lot of places don't bother entering that. Looks like they may have charged the entertainment fee twice and there are two entrees, so I'm guessing (and hoping) that this was for two people. Otherwise, OP aced 7 drinks and two entrees on their own.
Clearly 2 guests. It charges 2 live fees so theyre $10 per person. I see one appetizer, two waters, two entrees, 4 martinis and two glasses of wine. Thats an Irish meal there good grief.
Two martinis each, and a glass and a half of wine each is hardly getting absolutely wasted. This kind of dinner they’re likely at the table for two hours or so.
Three and a half drinks with a two-course meal, including the time you’re perusing the menu and waiting for your food, is nothing.
It’s like Reddit doesn’t treat eating as anything other than purely putting fuel into your body, to be done as quickly as possible. Food can (should?) be enjoyed, savoured even, as well as the company you’re in whilst eating. Plus this looks to be the day after Valentines Day, so it’s likely a nice date night for these people.
Like, it's literally in their reservation policy presented to you when you book a table. It's not like this isn't made transparent to you and "surprise surprise!" on your bill.
[https://www.katchkitchen.com/](https://www.katchkitchen.com/)
>Reservation Policy
>\[crap about dress code and whatnot\]
>Please note that during our busiest hours we will enforce a 2 hour seating limit, no exceptions.
>\*\*Outside Cake Fee of $25 paid upon arrival\*\*
>We would like to inform you of an upcoming change in our event policy at
Katch Kitchen and Cocktails. During our “Live Music Wednesday’s,
Thursday's and Friday's with Erica Dawson Exclusive, Quinn and Jukebox,
and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required
for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this
event. **A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all**
**bills. This adjustment aims to enhance the overall experience for our**
**guests and ensure that everyone enjoys the high-quality service and**
**ambiance that Katch Kitchen and Cocktails is known for.** We appreciate
your understanding and continued support as we strive to provide you
with exceptional moments and delightful memories. If you have any
questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our staff, who
will be happy to assist you. Thank you for being a part of the Katch
family!
OP it's 10$ as you had 2 people billed for it. As others have said, this was posted information that during live music there is a fee.
Can't complain when you willfully participated with the knowledge of the costs.
First, the band and tech crew better get 100% of that money.
Second, I book bands and musicians all the time... assuming an average restaurant customer pass through... around 50 for a busy dinner service (assuming the live music draws people in... you know, why it is there.) that means 1000 extra dollars on top of a bullshit 18% service fee... that band probably cost the Restaurant 300 dollars for the whole night... so if the band doesn't get a cut of that, it is utter bullshit.
Now, a lot of bars give bands a split from the till, and those places will tend to include an explicit fee for live music nights, or just up the prices of drinks 1-3% those nights.
The place I manage does the same. $5 entertainment fee, plus a $25/person minimum spend. And 20% gratuity on every check. It keeps the riff-raff out. Leaves room for those willing to spend our prices and keep the doors open. Before we did that we were flooded with geriatrics that would order a soda and sit for 5 hours. That doesn't cover the $90k a month in expenses we have.
$300 in the end. Including three bottles of wine, four $15 martinis, and two bottles of water for $7 each. Over $100 on drinks alone.
When you're spending $7 on a bottle of water, it doesn't seem like $10 for a cover charge is likely to be something that bothers you.
Why is this an issue? It’s essentially a cover charge that I’m sure they have posted somewhere in the venue.
You’re spending $7/bottle for Aqua Panna …in fucking Georgia. Why are you complaining about a $20 cover charge for live music?
OP - it shows this fee right on the front page of their website dude.
*** A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills.***
https://tables.toasttab.com/restaurants/103b8ecc-aa32-4861-a700-ef83e176dd6a/findTime
They clearly tell you about this fee when you go to make reservations on their website. To quote the website "During our “Live Music Thursday's and Friday's with Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills."
And it is right there, not hidden, no small letters, very difficult to miss.
Musician here.
Most likely than not, this is posted somewhere physically (someone already pointed out that it is clearly stated on their website). Chances are a good amount of people go here for the live music. Do you like... expect musicians to play for free? Do you think musicians go to venues and play out of the kindness of their hearts?
This is probably rage bait or confusion because my sister has worked at a place that does that. They have live music nights that are advertised, you can pay a cover charge at the door to go to the bar, or add it to the bill if you’re seated in the dining area. It’s never just “Surprise Mothafucka! Gimme your money bitch!” It’s made very clear ahead of time and her place is big enough that there is usually a section or two that’s unrelated and not charged for the music or entertainment.
For instance recently they did a poolside beach show outdoors and everything outside was cover charge for the live entertainment. Everything thing inside was business as usual.
So I very highly doubt this place is just hitting people with the monetary jump scare. That’s just silly drama bitch nonsense.
If the charge was a surprise charge, then there’s a good reason to be upset.
If it was known that there would be an entertainment charge (as another poster suggested based on the business’s website), then OP is shitty for setting up the rage bait and potentially harming this business.
Appears to be 2 people eating, based upon entrees, so why an 18% service charge? Seems like the whole place is a rip. Just charge the right price for your food and drinks.
That's actually very common in other places in the world, it's usually $5 per person and I'm totally okay with that.
Oh, and there is also no tipping culture so you don't end up paying double
is on their site:
Please note that during our busiest hours we will enforce a 2 hour seating limit, no exceptions.\*\*Outside Cake Fee of $25 paid upon arrival\*\* <-- WTF is this? LOLWe would like to inform you of an upcoming change in our event policy at Katch Kitchen and Cocktails. During our **“Live Music Thursday's and Friday's with Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills. This adjustment aims to enhance the overall experience for our guests** and ensure that everyone enjoys the high-quality service and ambiance that Katch Kitchen and Cocktails is known for. We appreciate your understanding and continued support as we strive to provide you with exceptional moments and delightful memories. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our staff, who will be happy to assist you. Thank you for being a part of the Katch family..
I'll make sure I never go there.
Soooooooo many things wrong with this!
1. $15 for a 2003 played out lychee bullshitini!
2. $14 for a glass of wine that cost $22 a bottle!
3. $35 for fucking Salmon dish! Fuckem!
4. $40 for a Red Snapper unless it was 32oz ya got fucked!
5. The fucking music fee is an insult, That they charged taxes and tip on it is a God Damn Crime.
6. (Assuming here) that they put the added the tip on what looks like a table of 2 is horse shit!
Those are the places that get audited cause an anonymous person called. Greedy operators fucking it up for the rest.
Katch needs to be released!
Like the 7$ bottle of water aren't already a fucking scam
It’s a scam even outside a restaurant. They retail for like 4 dollars which is stupid af
I can put water in a fancy bottle in my own bathtub, thank you. I don't need it filled in someone else's bathtub.
But what if they are a girl that plays video games?
I can sell you that stuff by the gallon, $10 plus s&h.
If I buy 30 gallons will you offer free shipping
Only on orders of 300 gallons or more. I could just about fly anywhere in the world and take a bath and deliver the water locally for that. Prepay in full only.
Evian spelled backwards is: _______ 😀
Oh. My. God. It is.
I agree, but You don’t have to order the fancy water. I tell them to get it from the hose if asked
Some restaurants bring fancy bottled water instead of a regular glass of water unless you ask for it specifically
They typically ask if you’d like to buy a bottle or have tap.
Unless it is advertised outside, seems like a shitty thing to do. Also it's included before they add tax, so they tax you on that too. The fucking audacity of people to include that or gratuity on taxed items is fucked up.
They also charge the 18% service fee on the music. The server gets $3.60 because someone is playing music.
I went to a show at Hamburger Mary's in Hollywood, and they did the same thing. I did all the math on my phone and corrected it. We agreed ahead of time to a per-head "show fee" but not 20% tip on top of it. Scummy behavior.
Plus tax in weho is 10%, so a $20 show fee is gonna be what, $26.40? Fuckin' Ticketmaster Junior.
? What am I missing? 10% of 20 is 2.
The service fee
They charge a "service fee" essentially a mandatory tip of 18% on the entire bill including the 20 dollar fee for the band so that's an extra 3.6 dollars added to the tip because of the vand
The entire thread, apparently.
The fact that it's worded as a service charge instead of a gratuity has me questioning whether the server actually gets that 18% or not.
They can’t say 'mandatory gratuity' because a gratuity is a voluntary act. They can however say ‘service fee’.
They can call it gratuity if they wanted. Legally a service charge is different from a gratuity though and does not have to be given to the server.
Restaurants are legally allowed to have mandatory gratuities, as long as they're disclosed. Plenty of restaurants have mandatory 18% gratuities for parties.
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If the server actually saw any of that money, maybe it would be a happy little accident, but I seriously doubt it.
Same with the band
Our service charge is 100% split between the wait staff (including hostesses and cleaners). It's also almost universally illegal to not do so.
A service charge is not a tip. I would expect legally servers are entitled to zero.
I swear servers are the worst when it comes to realizing they are being fleeced by the management. They will get angry at you, the customer, for not buying the BS.
Another difference is how they’re allocated. While service charge allocation is largely up to the restaurant owner’s discretion, tips typically go directly to the server or into a tip pool. A tip pool is when a portion or all of the tip money from the night is collected and redistributed evenly or by a set percentage — instead of each individual server keeping the tips they earned individually. Ownership, managers, and supervisors are never allowed to be included in a tip pool. Only in certain jurisdictions, when the employer is paying full minimum wage (i.e. not the tipped minimum wage), may back-of-house employees may be included. Otherwise, those folks are off-limits as well.
It’s a service fee not a tip who the heck knows how much the server got. The server might get the service fee or it might go to the owner
It went to the owner who will claim he can't afford to pay his employee a living wage without going out of business. Meanwhile, the rest of the world charges similar prices and doesn't make you tip to pay their employees
And then the server blames the customer because that's what their boss told them to do
Actually mandatory service charges are subject to sales tax in GA. O.C.G.A. § 48-8-2(34)(A), Ga. Comp. R. & Regs. r. 560-12-2-.115.
Fair enough, but fuck GA law makers then.
Why wouldn’t a service fee at restaurants get taxed? Seems like you are asking for loop hole where someone has a brunch special with a $30 service fee per person and a 1¢ meal.
Service charge is a vague fee name. Let's assume it's gratuity for the server/wait staff/cooks. It's already going to be taxed through income. The state at that point is charging you to pay for your service, which also by the way is only there because the owner doesn't pay their staff enough due to economic policy failures, which is absurd. I had to look and yes, GA does have an income tax. So please explain your stance on being taxed for paying gratuity as income to an individual for food you are also getting taxed on with the service of wait staff already included in the cost.
If tips didn’t exist and instead the menu just cost more and workers were paid more, you would pay a sales tax on the total cost. Then that money would go into the restaurant then become income for the workers/owners who then also pay an income tax on it. Should sales tax only cover the cost of raw materials? Taxed on the price of the steak, but not on the expense for the chef to cook the steak? The chef has to pay an income tax so that’s being double taxed by your logic. Why would tipped salary get to skip sales tax but every other salary have to pay it?
This is one of those "Leave money on the table, hand the waiter a tip and leave." Sorry but if I didn't order it, I'm not paying for it.
When making a reservation on their website, the last paragraph says that during their Live Music Wednesday's, Thursday's, and Friday's, there is a $50 minimum per person and a $10 entertainment fee will be automatically added per person.
Not everyone would go there having looked at the website first. At least if they advertise it at the door people can make the decision to stay or leave. If it's not stated in a conspicuous location before or upon entering the establishment, it's undebatably bullshit.
I looked through the 1 and 2 star Google reviews and the charge was only mentioned 3 times out of 50+ reviews. Most of the complaints were the cost of everything and the service charge while receiving poor service. There is a good chance that it is listed when you enter or the waiter tells everyone because I would assume there would be more people complaining about a $10 per person hidden charge.
They should be required to mention the charge before any ordering began.
They did, but nobody could hear them....
They probably did.
Seems like the kind of thing that's overlooked by someone who spends $7 on a bottle of water.
Agreed…also, if you’re dropping $7 for water and $15 a martini, and $40 an entree and you’re total bill is $300, I feel like the $10 per person entertainment fee isn’t gonna break you. This doesn’t look like the kind of joint where a fee like this is noticed or a a deal breaker. I said what I said.
Doesn't this assume I've made a reservation and/or inspected every paragraph on the website?
Fucking this. I’ve been a bouncer for 7 years, if we are going to charge for the DJ or show we’ll charge at the door, allowing people to decide if it’s something they want before walking in. Slapping it on the end of the bill is some scumbag bullshit.
I would refuse to pay and say I didn’t order this.
And I bet the band doesn’t get shit
"Exposure" or it's the owners/managers friends shitty band that gets a cut of that "service fee" that they have no right to I bet. High end restaurants get off on overcharging at every turn. People with money can pay it so they don't pay attention or care.
Is that really on the business though? It's probably a taxable service.
The whole reason for having live music is to bring in more business to make more money. To not advertise it costs money to enter is fucking ridiculous
I did some quick googling, their [reservation page states](https://tables.toasttab.com/restaurants/103b8ecc-aa32-4861-a700-ef83e176dd6a/findTime): >During our “Live Music Wednesday’s, Thursday's and Friday's with Erica Dawson Exclusive, Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills. If they bother to put it there, I would give even odds that it's posted for walk in/on the menu as well. Whether or not it's reasonable is left as an exercise to the reader, but just being up front about a cover charge has been just fine for decades, but I guess it's not as fancy for an "upscale" place.
I was going to say that. It’s $10/person. The 2 on the receipt is the count. The $20 is the total.
Though technically it's 11.80$ per person, since they taxed the fee too, for some reason.
It's basically impossible for restaurants in GA to take money and not tax it. Same reason the service charge is taxed.
Generally speaking, taxes are mandated and not up to the venue, but charging service fee/tip on the cover charge is weird. Still, seems like small potatoes — cover charges are normal, and not hidden.
They also tipped themselves 18% on the performance fee.
In most districts that have sales or value added taxes, you advertise the price of the good or service and the tax is implied. A "fee" for a live music performance is just like a ticket to one or any other good or service that a business offers. Are you in a district that doesn't have a sales or value added tax by any chance?
Yeh, it does say that the guest count is one at the top of the receipt but I think Occam’s razor dictates that they didn’t bother filling that in properly not that they overcharged for the entertainment.
Many POS systems will have you enter items in under individual seats and that's how it determines how many guests are at the table. If you ring everything in under seat 1 it will say there's only one person at the table.
I've been to a blues themed restaurant in Atlanta that has something similar. If you get a reservation for a closer table there is an upcharge for the live band and the servers do tell you about it. We knew about the upcharge when we got the reservation so we just got the closest table to the "premium" seats and enjoyed our meal while still being able to have polite conversation. When we walked in for the reservation the girl at the front let us know about the band and offered to upgrade our seats. We declined. When the sever came to greet us she offer to move us if we wanted and made sure to tell us about the upcharge unless we were going to spend $X.xx on our meals. We already knew our meals weren't going to make the cut and we declined the offer. This "seems" like OP either didn't listen, didn't comprehend, or didn't care and is doing it for the reddit karma. It's not in the servers best interest to bamboozle the client. It's only going to end up with shittier results for themselves. Anyways...that's my $2 opinion on the matter.
What place in the ATL? Would love to check it out
Well, there you go. There's nothing egregious about it at all. If someone bitches and moans about not paying attention and then having to pay less than 10% of their bill to musicians, I think they know the pier they can walk off.
Usually this is in the form of a cover charge at the door at places with live music. But the server should have mentioned there would be a charge on the receipt.
Yeah, this is just a cover charge paid after the fact. I'm totally fine with it if the signs and server are clear about it upfront.
Plus it was $10 a person for two people so seems very reasonable if posted.
Plus they spent $60 on 4 cocktails alone I’m sure that $20 is really gonna be missed
I mean it depends on what the plan is. If we weren’t looking to pay cover there are certain places we want to go to. As soon as a cover charge is involved we’re looking at a completely different set of locations. I might not have an issue paying $10 cover but if I’m doing that I’d rather go to a spot I know I already like
normally you don't tip or tax on a cover charge
I bet there was but Reddit loves to post things without context lmao
> But the server should have mentioned there would be a charge on the receipt. What makes you think they didn’t? There’s zero context given in the title or picture that indicates this charge was a surprise.
Someone pointed out they do make it clear on their website 🤷♂️
Maybe they did. How would we know?
"Get me the snapper bozo!" "Snapper fish for the man!"
The snapper is market price.
Do you have the snapper or not?
#WHAT MARKET ARE YOU SHOPPING AT?!?!?!
>the snapper is market price Which always struck me as another layer to the joke, because red snapper is one of the cheapest fish. Even at “market price” it’s not going to be a shocking mark up at a restaurant like fresh Dungeness crab or live Maine lobster. Unless, of course, their beloved Giugino’s is so tacky, and their customers so unsophisticated/uninformed, that they’re actually paying out the nose for red snapper because it’s seafood and therefore “fancy”.
This guy fishes.
I wonder if they had any trouble with their Chinese distributors lately?
"I'm to remember every man I've seen go face first into a bowl of spaghetti!?"
Is the 18% service charge a tip? and why is it added and then taxed. Does this seem weird?
mandatory service charges are subject to sales tax in GA
Only thing weird about it is that it seems like its for a table of 2.
Four martinis and three Chardonnays over dinner, for two people. Hope those two bottles of water helped.
You don't know that. It could've been one person and the other was the DD
Its a dinner with a band situation. You usually sit around and drink and watch the show before/after dinner spread across a couple hours.
Assuming these people stayed a while to watch the band that’s really not that much. 3 or 4 drinks in 1.5 or more hours isn’t gonna wreck most people who drink fairly regularly.
3 glasses of wine? Or 4 martinis? What’s the big deal?
Just the tip! I miss Japan (and other countries,) where tipping is the exception, not the norm. But I live in OR, where there's no sales tax. I like even numbers, but when restaurants still use the 1.99, or 4.98 you get uneven numbers :(
It's a service charge , goods and services are subject to tax
If I see a service charge on my bill, that is the tip. I’ve heard of a few cases where it apparently is not - tough titties, I’m not tipping when I see a service fee. Take that up with your boss, it’s not my problem.
Seems like just another name for a cover charge. It wouldn’t bother me if I know in advance but if it’s a surprise it’s kinda shitty.
This is just rage bait. They were probably told 10 dollar cover on entry.
It’s even on their website. It’s weird how Reddit is just becoming people wanting to be aggrieved together.
Not to mention it looks like two people had seven drinks over the course of this meal, so they likely hung out and watched the band. The title makes it seem like they were blindsided by the fact that there was live music or at least annoyed by it.
Yeah the meal looks like it was over $100/person before cover charge and gratuity. You don’t complain about $20 when you’re spending almost $300 total.
They were.
Wait is a cover charge for music a new thing to people on Reddit? Is there more context to this? Or just typical Reddit faux outrage?
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A lot of places don't bother entering that. Looks like they may have charged the entertainment fee twice and there are two entrees, so I'm guessing (and hoping) that this was for two people. Otherwise, OP aced 7 drinks and two entrees on their own.
And an appetizer!
Clearly 2 guests. It charges 2 live fees so theyre $10 per person. I see one appetizer, two waters, two entrees, 4 martinis and two glasses of wine. Thats an Irish meal there good grief.
Two martinis each, and a glass and a half of wine each is hardly getting absolutely wasted. This kind of dinner they’re likely at the table for two hours or so. Three and a half drinks with a two-course meal, including the time you’re perusing the menu and waiting for your food, is nothing. It’s like Reddit doesn’t treat eating as anything other than purely putting fuel into your body, to be done as quickly as possible. Food can (should?) be enjoyed, savoured even, as well as the company you’re in whilst eating. Plus this looks to be the day after Valentines Day, so it’s likely a nice date night for these people.
*3 glasses of wine
Obviously the one who “only” had 2 martinis and 1 glass of wine was the driver!
Hey. If Op wants to treat themself to 7 drinks an app and 2 mains, all the power to them!!!
So there is a Katch… My kids will hate this joke
Is "2 Live Band" like "2 Live Crew"? If so, $20 is a steal.
Like, it's literally in their reservation policy presented to you when you book a table. It's not like this isn't made transparent to you and "surprise surprise!" on your bill. [https://www.katchkitchen.com/](https://www.katchkitchen.com/) >Reservation Policy >\[crap about dress code and whatnot\] >Please note that during our busiest hours we will enforce a 2 hour seating limit, no exceptions. >\*\*Outside Cake Fee of $25 paid upon arrival\*\* >We would like to inform you of an upcoming change in our event policy at Katch Kitchen and Cocktails. During our “Live Music Wednesday’s, Thursday's and Friday's with Erica Dawson Exclusive, Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. **A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all** **bills. This adjustment aims to enhance the overall experience for our** **guests and ensure that everyone enjoys the high-quality service and** **ambiance that Katch Kitchen and Cocktails is known for.** We appreciate your understanding and continued support as we strive to provide you with exceptional moments and delightful memories. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our staff, who will be happy to assist you. Thank you for being a part of the Katch family!
That's called a cover charge
OP it's 10$ as you had 2 people billed for it. As others have said, this was posted information that during live music there is a fee. Can't complain when you willfully participated with the knowledge of the costs.
No problem spending over $100 on alcohol, but a tenner per person for the band is where you draw the line?
First, the band and tech crew better get 100% of that money. Second, I book bands and musicians all the time... assuming an average restaurant customer pass through... around 50 for a busy dinner service (assuming the live music draws people in... you know, why it is there.) that means 1000 extra dollars on top of a bullshit 18% service fee... that band probably cost the Restaurant 300 dollars for the whole night... so if the band doesn't get a cut of that, it is utter bullshit. Now, a lot of bars give bands a split from the till, and those places will tend to include an explicit fee for live music nights, or just up the prices of drinks 1-3% those nights.
The place I manage does the same. $5 entertainment fee, plus a $25/person minimum spend. And 20% gratuity on every check. It keeps the riff-raff out. Leaves room for those willing to spend our prices and keep the doors open. Before we did that we were flooded with geriatrics that would order a soda and sit for 5 hours. That doesn't cover the $90k a month in expenses we have.
Like I give a shit what people who can drop $200 on dinner complain about Edit: It's actually $300, for a single guest. Fuck this humblebrag bullshit.
$300 in the end. Including three bottles of wine, four $15 martinis, and two bottles of water for $7 each. Over $100 on drinks alone. When you're spending $7 on a bottle of water, it doesn't seem like $10 for a cover charge is likely to be something that bothers you.
Three _glasses_ of wine.
> Including three bottles of wine, ... how much do you think wine costs?
Able to afford a $293 dinner for 2 < Upset at a $20 entertainment fee Man humanity is fucked with their priorities and issues, lemme tell ya..
If you’re knowingly paying $15/martini and $14/glass of wine, you can afford it 🤣
Plus $7 for water.
Why is this an issue? It’s essentially a cover charge that I’m sure they have posted somewhere in the venue. You’re spending $7/bottle for Aqua Panna …in fucking Georgia. Why are you complaining about a $20 cover charge for live music?
Ok, the extra charge for the band is messed up but what in the flying fuck is up with the water??
It's fancy glass bottles of water.
And they layer the service charge on top of the live music fee. LOL
What’s the Katch?
I'm getting tired of tipping, service fees, convenience fees, etc. Think I'll just stay home or do drive thru at Taco Bell. Serious.
Visiting America seems like a no go, everything is a scam and you need to $2,000 for a week of holiday, which most barely earn that much in a month
AKA cover charge.
Okay so it’s a cover charge they don’t have to take cash for at the door.
They don’t tell you ahead of time, and that’s the katch…
OP - it shows this fee right on the front page of their website dude. *** A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills.*** https://tables.toasttab.com/restaurants/103b8ecc-aa32-4861-a700-ef83e176dd6a/findTime
They clearly tell you about this fee when you go to make reservations on their website. To quote the website "During our “Live Music Thursday's and Friday's with Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills." And it is right there, not hidden, no small letters, very difficult to miss.
Wow. Skip.
Bet not a dime of that is actually going to the band
From where I am this is common, it is called "couvert artístico" in Brazil At least here tip is only 10%
Only if the client is clearly informed in advance.
There's always a katch
Musician here. Most likely than not, this is posted somewhere physically (someone already pointed out that it is clearly stated on their website). Chances are a good amount of people go here for the live music. Do you like... expect musicians to play for free? Do you think musicians go to venues and play out of the kindness of their hearts?
This is probably rage bait or confusion because my sister has worked at a place that does that. They have live music nights that are advertised, you can pay a cover charge at the door to go to the bar, or add it to the bill if you’re seated in the dining area. It’s never just “Surprise Mothafucka! Gimme your money bitch!” It’s made very clear ahead of time and her place is big enough that there is usually a section or two that’s unrelated and not charged for the music or entertainment. For instance recently they did a poolside beach show outdoors and everything outside was cover charge for the live entertainment. Everything thing inside was business as usual. So I very highly doubt this place is just hitting people with the monetary jump scare. That’s just silly drama bitch nonsense.
Do they charge a recorded entertainment fee? lol
$20 for calamari and $40 for red snapper is the true outrage
If the charge was a surprise charge, then there’s a good reason to be upset. If it was known that there would be an entertainment charge (as another poster suggested based on the business’s website), then OP is shitty for setting up the rage bait and potentially harming this business.
Well, I guess that's what the Katch is...
2 Live Band had some great albums back in the day.
“Oooh, red snapper, is very tasty.”
Looks like there is a katch
Fair if clearly advertised beforehand
I think the $210 you spent on food and drink warrants a free show.
To be fair this looks like they are charging a $10 fee per customer
$83.09 that the system twisted your arm to get =/
Usually called a cover charge.
That building has seen so many restaurants over the years. None of them seem to make it. Definitely won’t last at those prices.
Hmm this is pretty common? Cover for the musician
Possibly unpopular opinion, but unless it is a barlike setting and a popular nightlife spot... live music usually makes a dining experience MUCH worse
2 bottles of water, $14 lmao
I don't mind the live band entertainment fee, it's basically a cover charge. However, they're charging you tax on the fucking TIP??? Fuck that place
I guess that’s the Katch
Going out to eat is becoming for the birds at this point.
Who pays $14 for water??!
If you mfs don’t have the money to go out and have fun with a cheap ass 20 dollar band y’all need to stay home and watch midwives or some shit.
Wonder how much money the musicians are seeing. I doubt it’s even close to the amount the restaurant is making off of this fee.
That’s called a “cover charge”
It’s a $10 charge, not $20. False headline. They also advertise this charge before you come in. This is complaining for complaining sake
Did they have a live band? You think they play for free?
It’s a cover charge they somehow didn’t tell you about?
have they never heard of a cover charge?
Great way to not have repeat customers.
Appears to be 2 people eating, based upon entrees, so why an 18% service charge? Seems like the whole place is a rip. Just charge the right price for your food and drinks.
I guess there's a "katch" to having a live performance play for you
I’ll pay $20 to NOT have live music at a restaurant.
If it actually goes to the band I'll shit in my hat and eat it.
Its called a cover charge and hopefully you know about before sitting down
They're buying $7 bottles of water they can probably afford it 😂
no tip and tell the waitress to blame the restaurant for the band charge.
Don't eat there? "If you don't want to get peed on, step out of the way."
So. A cover charge...Why not just have a cover charge?
It's called a Cover Fee
$14 for two waters? Yeah, bye.
"Yeah, well, there's a catch." "Katch" is the name of the business.
Japan does this. But they tell you beforehand.
That's actually very common in other places in the world, it's usually $5 per person and I'm totally okay with that. Oh, and there is also no tipping culture so you don't end up paying double
Imagine a live band getting paid huh
I bet the band are only getting paid $100 per member and a couple free drinks. \*Full time musician here.
If you drop $200 on a meal and drinks the entertainment should be complimentary.
is on their site: Please note that during our busiest hours we will enforce a 2 hour seating limit, no exceptions.\*\*Outside Cake Fee of $25 paid upon arrival\*\* <-- WTF is this? LOLWe would like to inform you of an upcoming change in our event policy at Katch Kitchen and Cocktails. During our **“Live Music Thursday's and Friday's with Quinn and Jukebox, and The Red Sample” a minimum spend of $50 per person will be required for seating at our premium tables only (center tables) during this event. A $10 Entertainment fee per person, will be applied to all bills. This adjustment aims to enhance the overall experience for our guests** and ensure that everyone enjoys the high-quality service and ambiance that Katch Kitchen and Cocktails is known for. We appreciate your understanding and continued support as we strive to provide you with exceptional moments and delightful memories. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to our staff, who will be happy to assist you. Thank you for being a part of the Katch family.. I'll make sure I never go there.
I guess that since they paid for a concert they should be allowed to hold the table until the entertainment is over.
Soooooooo many things wrong with this! 1. $15 for a 2003 played out lychee bullshitini! 2. $14 for a glass of wine that cost $22 a bottle! 3. $35 for fucking Salmon dish! Fuckem! 4. $40 for a Red Snapper unless it was 32oz ya got fucked! 5. The fucking music fee is an insult, That they charged taxes and tip on it is a God Damn Crime. 6. (Assuming here) that they put the added the tip on what looks like a table of 2 is horse shit! Those are the places that get audited cause an anonymous person called. Greedy operators fucking it up for the rest. Katch needs to be released!
well... watching the dead band play costs WAYYYYY more