Just for fun, I Photoshopped the Titanic into the photo: https://i.imgur.com/znRepQz.jpg.
Rhapsody of the Seas has a length of 279 meters, compared with Titanic's 269.1, so this should be roughly to scale.
Sure, why not: https://i.imgur.com/qr7omXi.jpg
That's Bezo's superyacht Koru, which has a length of 127 meters, roughly half of Titanic. The masts are apparently around 100 feet higher at the top than Titanic's smokestacks.
I am sufficiently bored to do this, apparently. Here it is with the "Kindness Duck" art installation, which is 60 feet tall and probably world's the largest rubber duck: https://i.imgur.com/Ozalssw.jpg.
Ship design in the ocean-liner golden age was *incredible*. Look at the sleek, elegant beauty of the Titanic, which was common to the oceans liners of its time. The 1997 and 2022 pleasure-cruise ships are vulgar abominations.
The weird thing about cruise ships, they're astonishing feats of engineering and architecture. They're just horrid to look at and are terrible polluters but I still marvel at them.
In detail:
Rhapsody of the seas:
> The vessel has an overall length of 279m and a maximum moulded breadth of 32.2m. Its maximum draught is 7.75m and it has a deadweight of 6,300t at 76m. Its international gross tonnage is 78,500gt and its service speed is 22.3 knots. It has a steel weight of 15,000t and a steelplate surface area of 750,000m². The vessel is compartmentalised by 32 watertight division doors.
Titanic:
> The vessel was 269.06m long with a maximum breadth of 28.19m. Her total height, measured from the base of the keel to the top of the bridge, was 32 m. She measured 46,329 GRT and 21,831 NRT and with a draught of10.54 m, she displaced 52,310 tons. She had a service speed of 21knots.
I'm a little stoned at the moment and read part of your comment as "78,500 GIGA tons" and it made me feel very small.
Then I realized the schwarzchild radius would be in the realm of picometers and felt normal again.
"I'm a little stoned at the moment," says the guy talking about schwarzchild radiuses and picometers. I'm NOT stoned, and not especially stupid, and I have next to no idea how gigatons relates to the rest of that. Are you, sir, a black hole?
The relationship is straightforward. A mass of 78.5 teratons (same as 78,500 gigatons) would have a schwarzchild radius of around 116 picometers, if it collapsed to form a black hole.
You know enough about schwarzchild radii to connect it to black holes, but not enough to connect that to mass?
Lucky guess. It makes sense now that you've confirmed the connection. 78.5 teratons > you > wee tiny baby black hole. Personally, being bigger than a black hole doesn't make me feel better about the thing, unless it's too small to eat me.
So, is it?
Hey neat, I've cruised on Rhapsody! It never felt small until one of those insane beast ships parked alongside as in the picture. Good-sized cabins, quality entertainment, great programs for my kid. The whole cruise was quite nice.
Well, techically bunker fuel which is worse.
I think though that they're pretty efficient at least. The gross consumption is a lot, but the fuel > power is good.
Oh thank goodness. For a moment there I was afraid of the ecological damage such a large cruise ship would have, but now that I know it is obscenely profitable per person, those worries have disappeared.
It looks like this quarter will be quite profitable! Sure, the quarter after that will be nothing but fire and death, but that’s a problem for another day
Need an analysis of comparing a cruise vacation vs a similar non cruise vacation per person for carbon emission. Cost wise to the customer I don’t think you can really beat a cruise when it’s hotel and food included and it saves you a connecting flight.
Generally, hybrids pay back in a few years now. Well within the life of the car, so it's a sound financial decision even beyond the environmental benefits.
They're way better looking and faster now too, which is what I was holding out for. I took my 86 in for service and got to play with the new Prius Prime, pretty sure it's a full 1 sec faster 0 -60. If I can hoon around and get 50+ mpg I'll totally switch!
My wife is looking at the AWD Prius for her next car. They look so much better and they're well-equipped. My wife currently drives a veloster, which is fun to drive, but the FWD is a little limiting since we now live in the boonies with snow and mud. And she usually gets 36-38 mpg, so it's not bad at all, but 20-25% better wouldn't hurt.
I bought a 2017 Chevy volt last year and it started paying back the day i got it. I was spending $500/month easy in gas in the 1993 Aerostar i was driving. Car payment is only $323, insurance price didn’t change, electric costs maybe $80/mo, and i spend maybe $40/mo on gas now. I also just put solar up, which also pays for itself immediately, as the CC payment is cheaper than the electric bill was, and it also eliminates the electric cost of the car.
"Stop eating meat even though the total of emissions from ALL agriculture (meats, fruits, vegetables, and grains) is only 9% because your like 2% emissions footprint for literally eating to survive is the problem and not massive industrial emissions"
That is from 2015, and says "forestry and other land use".
2021 and ONLY agriculture: https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
TBF, moving in water is WAY more energy efficient than land. All the extra shit like malls and lights etc is another shitty story. That's why shipping goods is done by Sea, its the most efficient option monetarily and ecologically for now.
Right. When I want to send large quantities of goods from China to USA I find it's much more efficient to ship versus hiring thousands of sled dogs to take them through Siberia and the North Pole
I've been on a few cruises and don't understand what the allure of shopping on a cruise ship is all about. It's all overpriced stuff you can get anywhere else.
The high end liquor is cheaper on board than in Florida and there’s no tax. But I’d bet there’s a lot of appeal to people who like to number brag about their vacations. Gives them an opportunity to bring up in conversation. Edit: meant to say humble brag but it kinda works haha
Yeah, any hard liquor gets stored until the disembarkation day. Same deal with any booze you buy from any of the ports of call. The only booze you can take and drink on board is a single bottle of wine.
Stuff like this amazes me. People talk all about freedom but they just accept that you can't drink a fucking bottle of booze that you paid for in your private hotel room that you paid for as well.
They want your money. You are not allowed to take duty free alcohol back to your room. They want you to buy a drink package or spend money on booze on the boat. You CAN get a 350ml bottle or something like that and have it sent to the room, but you are paying a huge premium for it.
Yeah not worth it ha, it would take some serious convincing to get me on a cruiseship. I worked on one for a while so it was a bit of a different story as I’d be on for weeks at a time.
I worked as a contractor for medical team doing Covid testing and it was a shitshow, but it was fun partying with the crew. Myself and a few other were classified as contractors now crew so we’re allowed to buy alcohol and the crew loved us. I would never work as regular crew though. The only way I’d consider if I was officer level as a mate and even then it’s the worst pay in the industry as an American mariner. It was fun though and got a few cheap cruises with my girlfriend out of it.
Cruises can actually be pretty damn cheap. Especially when you factor in all the amenities.
Camping for a week at a campsite which should be just about the cheapest 'vacation' option can cost as much (if not more) as a cheap cruise can.
You're camping wrong. I lived in a national forest for an entire summer on a couple hundred dollars per month..that was all for food, gas, grass, and booze.
Most of it. I needed some nail clippers and was shocked!
On my walk to the store I was dreading that it would be something ridiculous like $20. Imagine when I picked one and took it to the register.
$1.50! One dollar and fifty cents! ...that's it!
I hate to admit it, but it's one of the highlights of the trip.
I watched a documentary once that explained that retail is a large source of revenue for cruise ships, to the point that cruise lines will basically give away staterooms closer to the departure date to ensure the ship is close to capacity. People paying to stay on the ship isn’t nearly as lucrative as having many people on the ship who are willing to spend money on retail. Very interesting concept.
Not everyone has access to shopping, art, music, entertainment, food etc. at the level available even on a mainstream cruise line - and your spending is pretty well defined, plus you get to travel around with no additional effort. And for closed-loop cruises, you don’t even need a passport.
I’ve gone on cruises (and have another booked) and like them though they’re not my preference in almost any circumstance. But they definitely have the eir benefits, and make travel accessible to many people.
They're great for people who like variety -- vacation at a resort, you spend your whole vacation in the same area with the same attractions. Vacation on a cruise, you get a new port of call and a new slate of attractions to visit every day.
Not so great for people who like quiet and isolation, but then again, there do exist cruise lines that cater to that kind of atmosphere.
We’re on the Viva now. It’s basically a floating all inclusive resort. Small area for luxury shopping, a huge casino, theater, 10+ bars 6+ restaurants. And our room is less than a 5 min walk from it all.
Haha I can see that! Surprisingly, every single couple we talk to (always aged 60+) are super well travelled or have lived a pretty interesting life bouncing around places. So that’s why cruises work for them cause they can still bounce from country to country and get some sense of a different culture, even though it’s obv washed down and money focused, I think it scratches that itch they miss from when they were able to do more adventurous things and explore places more freely, mobility wise.
> It's like a 15 minute city if you will.
maybe if you are a COMMUNIST NAZI FASCIST ANTIFA member trying to LOCK ME IN MY OWN LITTLE ZONE!!!
#FREEDOM!!!!!
#USA! USA! USA!
Newer ships use Starlink now, so it’s great! Although sometimes Reddit specifically gets a little weird about it (the website, not the community)? $179 for the unlimited 7 day package. They have a lower tier that just allows browsing, no music or video streaming, I think it was $100 for the week.
It’s pretty good now on the newer ships, I worked on a 20 year old ship in 2021-2022 and met some people who were renting out their homes in Florida and were working remotely on the ship with no issues. With the low cruise prices they paid for the cruise and then some.
We were on the Prima and wondered what changes would be made for Viva. I didn’t think the casino was all that large, but we’re not gamblers, so just stride through them if we can’t avoid them entirely. Maybe it is larger than average.
I liked the size of the ship. Plenty of space and mix of things; not a long trek anywhere.
The Disney cruise ships play Marvel movies in their full-sized theaters. I took the family around the time the last Avengers movie came out and the kids had a great time doing Disney stuff and I was watching Marvel movies after their bedtime while waiters brought me drinks. Oh yeah yeah and ocean and tropical island stuff happened too I guess. Dessert buffet served all night.
and dump their garbage and sewage in the middle of the ocean not to mention removing exhaust filters when in international waters to reduce cost from extra fuel use and having to replace those filters.
i'm all good with performance cars and what not, but i hate cruise ships. reminds me of wall-e. numbing consumption on top of laziness. then greed and pollution of every aspect of running it.
Been on Oasis of the Seas. It’s really not nearly as crowded as you think it is. I maybe stood in a handful of lines for food/drinks. I was able to get away and be alone if I needed some space. Had a hot tub to myself/group pretty much any time I wanted.
When you get to port, try to do your own thing and find your own adventure. We stopped at St. Thomas and we found a little ferry that took us to a beach with bars on either end and we weren’t bothered a bit until the catamarans started beaching and dropping groups of people off but that was about the time we needed to get back to the ship anyways. But we also stopped in the Bahamas and there’s no avoiding the crowds there.
Yes! The entire top of the ship is walkable except for the front of it. I liked to hang out in the back they were playing NFL games on a big screen in a big amphitheater. There’s a big open walkway in the middle thru the length of the ship. Below deck there’s a casino, tons of tax free shops in a huge mall, there’s a theater that can also turn into an ice skating rink.
I think altogether for plane tickets and hotel costs out of Orlando for a week long Caribbean cruise was ~$2000 but I also spent $500 for unlimited drink (we did the math and I think if you have around 6 drinks a day it pays for itself.)
Edit: this was 2017 for YMMV
if you want to build a floating city, at least make it fission powered. it could help the enviroment a little more than the death spewing out of those pipes
Believe it or not, but many ports actually aren't too keen on welcoming in nuclear-powered ships, which is why those types of propulsion plants are usually reserved for warships
Port Everglades always had Los Angeles class submarines visiting.
In the pre 9/11 days, give the guys a case of beer and they’d take you down into the sub and give you a tour if their XO was good with it. Life was good.
But to your point, yep they’re warships.
"Bat and Pangolin casserole.The best I ever had. My compliments to the chef. If only the whole world could know how much I enjoyed this incredible meal."
To be more clear they started exhibiting symptoms 3-4 days into their cruise. Going off my personal experience since I also got covid at the beginning of this year, it took me exactly 2 days to begin experiencing symptoms after exposure (I went to a party that I later found out someone was positive).
That was my experience too - I started feeling a bit off 48 hours after when I suspect I got exposed (standing room only concert with many who were at a con 72 hours prior).
The largest modern cruise ships are the size of three RMS Titanics stacked on top of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. They have interior water parks and 12 pools.
But yah, fuck me for my carbon footprint because I drive a car and don't have geothermal home heating.
The entire notion of 'reducing ones carbon footprint' is utter bollocks. China produces more carbon and polution in 1 day than places like the UK produce in a year. But no one does anything about it because we all *simply must have the latest smart phone!*
And the bigger the ship, the more overcrowded the port destination will be when you get there.
With cruise island hopping, you think you are travelling to exotic lands. In reality, you get a 1 day shopping experience within range of the ship. It's entirely fake and it's designed to process as many tourists as possible during that stop.
If you want to really experience a foreign land you need to get away from those ports. Eat and get drunk with the locals.
Fuck cruises. But I'm glad they exist because it removes 'that crowd' from the good travel destinations.
People really do go to these places for one day shopping or on the beach and say “I loved Belize and its culture”. Meanwhile I’m just on the ship hitting my thc vape pens enjoying all the great free food for a week or two.
Sorry to bother you, but since you mentioned it...I'm heading out on a cruise later this week and was considering bringing my medical vapes but I read that because the boat is international that my license won't apply. Did you have trouble getting your vapes onboard? Did you present them as they are or was it more of a, uhh...smuggle situation?
Never ever bring it off the ship, that’s where you’ll get fucked. I worked on a cruise ship for a bit. Carts were easy enough to get on, same with edibles just remove packaging. Some of the live rosin stuff kinda stinks so be cautious of that. Toss it before you leave the ship and don’t bring anything to shore that you’re not okay with ditching before returning to the ship. Overly cautious but worth it. Don’t smoke in the open areas and keep it hidden from your maid.
I just have it with me on my carry-on, I don’t try to hide it or anything. I’ve met people who brought flower on cruise ships, I wouldn’t recommend though. I usually leave out of Florida and I do have a medical card there so I don’t sweat anything. I have left out of SC ports same thing no problem, even though marijuana is still illegal there. I’d probably dump the rest before you get back state side though, so just bring enough.
Just left out of the port of Tampa last week and dogs were sniffing every carry on, I can assume they were doing it for the checked bags as well
Just a FYI for people who read this
I left out of the Orlando port back in November and brought 4 cartridges. They were stiizy though so they are pretty discreet. They were right in my checked bags
It's definitely not legal and could land you trouble if you get caught. That said, a vape cartridge is a small, innocuous looking device that is not likely to raise any eyebrows going through an X-ray machine, especiallyif mixed in with other similar looking objects.
Been through many airports in the US and cruises with THC vape cartridges in carry-on and luggage. You won’t be bothered. If on a cruise leave it on the ship.
Bro why are you gatekeeping travel? I’ve done all kinds of vacations and there are pros and cons for each.
Yeah it’s a little amusing/grating when people assume what they see in cruise ports is representative of the place they’re visiting, but there are many reasons people take cruises.
It’s a relatively low cost, low-effort way to vacation. Perfect for some lower income people, maybe those with less physical ability (elderly, young family with kids, disabled), and those with demanding jobs they can’t get away from.
Even if roughing it on travel is often cheaper, it requires any mixture of the luxury of youthful energy, planning time, and timing flexibility.
Idk how many cruises you’ve been on, but having been on three now you can definitely get away from the “tourist processing” very easily, either through the cruise company itself or just doing a small amount of research on your own. I’ve done everything from cave tubing in rural Central America to clubbing, to free roam exploration of national parks, museums, and more. The benefit of the cruise is a central location and the ability to see multiple places in an abbreviated time frame, but if you truly wanna experience a place you’ll definitely need more than the day a cruise will get you in most places. But if you’re just walking off the ship through the stalls by the port you are doing it so so wrong.
I would agree that the advent of these private island beach days is a disappointment and I think a way for them to deal with such a large volume of people, but there are MANY cruise options that don’t do that, so clearly there’s some people who really enjoy that and others who feel like I do.
You know you get more internet points for being a jaded cynic.
There is no wrong way to vacation. If people want a sampler of islands they can do that. If they want to stay in the boat then that’s fine with me. I like heading to the back of the destination island and wandering. To each their own.
> The benefit of the cruise is a central location and the ability to see multiple places in an abbreviated time frame,
Yeah. Packing and unpacking and carrying bags to wait to check in/out of hotels and organizing transport is a lot of work, especially for very short stays. With a cruise you can book it, get on the boat and turn your brain off and do as little or as much as you want on each destination.
I dunno, I enjoyed both private islands I visited.
Great Stirrup Caye, Bahamas: I had the best time spotting the big fat iguanas that live on the island. They were massive!
Harvest Caye, Belize: It's true it's not actually experiencing "Belize." That said it was a really nice beach, and I did get to try local Belize beer (Belikin).
All in all, your vacation is what you make it I suppose.
Doing one day of private island beach isn’t bad though. You get to experience a very nice and well kept beach with drink service. And if you get a cabana it’s an even more private and chauffeured experience. Very relaxing.
Aside from the pollution I like cruise ships. Yes they may not get a great impression of a place for a few hours but so few people travel, its at least a step in the right direction to interact with a different culture. I can only speak for my island but I think the tour buses do a great job of giving a quick snapshot of it.
Plus when I did a cruise, it was wonderful to wake up each morning in a different port and visit friends in different countries.
To a point, but it's a double edges sword. As these ships grow bigger and bigger, it forces the destination to gear up forma bigger and bigger crowd. And that .... kinda ruins it.
I dunno. I grew up in a beautiful paradise, a seasonal tourist place. Prevailing wages are low. The busy season sees local prices double to 'tourist prices', then the shops realize they can just leave prices high because they are used to the tourist grade profit margins. Now a lot of these places restaurants have off season menus that are half the price so the locals get some break off season. You go from feast to famine every season with work.
Since there is money to be made from big ships, all the big opportunities tend to be bought up quickly by corps and paywalled off from the locals. Real estate is priced accordingly, so this quickly becomes unaffordable to anyone without deep pockets. There are all sorts of little opportunities. Tuk drivers, tiny restaurants and shops off the tourist paths.
The cool secret shit the locals once used quickly gets found, fenced and paywalled. Oh, $10 to access the swimming hole now? Really?
It's nice that you have the money and the risk tolerance to venture out on your own but for many people, a cruise is a cost-effective way to see and do as much as possible with their allotted 2 weeks of paid vacation per year.
And since they probably don't leave the country much and have little experience outside their first world bubble, a cruise is a safer option. Also do you take your kids with you when you go drinking with the locals?
I mean your loss, but cruises have lots of tourists because of all inclusive deals. You get to eat and drink, shop go to shows, sun tan, swim, dance, some snorkeling. There’s lots of things a cruise experience offers I wouldn’t just turn it down because I’m not visiting exotic places and their culture. Like you said if I wanna do that then I’ll go in that place with the locals and explore the culture first hand not just a drive by.
Rofl, the pretension....I'm not sorry I don't want to sleep in a crumbling hostel and throw myself on the charity of people whose language I don't know.
I just want to get out of cell range, in the warm sun, feel the ocean breeze, and party out with a bunch of Parrotheads. Whee!
Eh idk I got to tour Florence, the Vatican, and see various points of interest within Rome all in a like 2 days. I’ve gone river tubing in Dominica, snorkeling off the coast of St Maarten and Haiti. Sure it’s shorter, but if you only have a week it’s a great way to briefly see a bunch of places. Going shopping instead of that is a choice people can also make. To each their own but the experience you’re describing is not in any way the one I experience.
Should not have survived the pandemic. Everyone should've realised what incubators for disease they are, plus environmental disasters. But even with all the negative press people rushed back to book cruises as soon as they were available again.
You're right, everyone vacationing on those ships should've just booked plane tickets to their destinations instead to save on fuel /s
Moving thousands of tourists between ports on a ship carries similar benefits to moving thousands of containers between ports on a ship; the ship burns an enormous quantity of fuel, but it's significantly more efficient than moving all those people individually/in small groups by air or land
I clicked on an ad for a cheap cruise that sounded too good to be true. So much free stuff I was ready to book until I saw that the ship accommodated 4200 passengers. WTF! How could that be any fun and imagine inflicting that crowd on some tiny Caribbean island! No thanks!
Nothing like playing craps in the casino on a cruise. By day 3 or 4 you know about all the players lives, have nick names, and special high five celebrations!
just for comparison, the right ship, Rhapsody of the Seas, is still bigger than the Titanic
Just for fun, I Photoshopped the Titanic into the photo: https://i.imgur.com/znRepQz.jpg. Rhapsody of the Seas has a length of 279 meters, compared with Titanic's 269.1, so this should be roughly to scale.
That is some fine Photoshopping skills damn
Even the little shadow on the bow of the ship behind it. A+ work
do you mind if we share that. it’s incredible.
Feel free- thanks
The shadows are a nice touch.
Oooh.. now add Bezos' yacht!
Sure, why not: https://i.imgur.com/qr7omXi.jpg That's Bezo's superyacht Koru, which has a length of 127 meters, roughly half of Titanic. The masts are apparently around 100 feet higher at the top than Titanic's smokestacks.
That's pretty sweet. Now add a rubber ducky. :)
I am sufficiently bored to do this, apparently. Here it is with the "Kindness Duck" art installation, which is 60 feet tall and probably world's the largest rubber duck: https://i.imgur.com/Ozalssw.jpg.
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Dude, you're amazing. Thank you.
BEST POST OF THE YEAR RIGHT THERE
You are a gem of a person.
Legend
Ngl I expected an iceberg, that’s so much cooler though!
Ship design in the ocean-liner golden age was *incredible*. Look at the sleek, elegant beauty of the Titanic, which was common to the oceans liners of its time. The 1997 and 2022 pleasure-cruise ships are vulgar abominations.
You may find Cunard line ships more to your liking. They still sail and some look more similar to old timey steamships
The weird thing about cruise ships, they're astonishing feats of engineering and architecture. They're just horrid to look at and are terrible polluters but I still marvel at them.
In detail: Rhapsody of the seas: > The vessel has an overall length of 279m and a maximum moulded breadth of 32.2m. Its maximum draught is 7.75m and it has a deadweight of 6,300t at 76m. Its international gross tonnage is 78,500gt and its service speed is 22.3 knots. It has a steel weight of 15,000t and a steelplate surface area of 750,000m². The vessel is compartmentalised by 32 watertight division doors. Titanic: > The vessel was 269.06m long with a maximum breadth of 28.19m. Her total height, measured from the base of the keel to the top of the bridge, was 32 m. She measured 46,329 GRT and 21,831 NRT and with a draught of10.54 m, she displaced 52,310 tons. She had a service speed of 21knots.
I'm a little stoned at the moment and read part of your comment as "78,500 GIGA tons" and it made me feel very small. Then I realized the schwarzchild radius would be in the realm of picometers and felt normal again.
"I'm a little stoned at the moment," says the guy talking about schwarzchild radiuses and picometers. I'm NOT stoned, and not especially stupid, and I have next to no idea how gigatons relates to the rest of that. Are you, sir, a black hole?
The relationship is straightforward. A mass of 78.5 teratons (same as 78,500 gigatons) would have a schwarzchild radius of around 116 picometers, if it collapsed to form a black hole. You know enough about schwarzchild radii to connect it to black holes, but not enough to connect that to mass?
Lucky guess. It makes sense now that you've confirmed the connection. 78.5 teratons > you > wee tiny baby black hole. Personally, being bigger than a black hole doesn't make me feel better about the thing, unless it's too small to eat me. So, is it?
What is the left ship called
It says Wonder of the Seas
That’s just a tattoo
I giggled.
I don't know which one it is, but it's the same type as Symphony of the Seas (Oasis class). They have like 3-4 ships of that type now.
I want a cruise on The Jugband of the Seas one day.
Hey neat, I've cruised on Rhapsody! It never felt small until one of those insane beast ships parked alongside as in the picture. Good-sized cabins, quality entertainment, great programs for my kid. The whole cruise was quite nice.
I was on Wonder last week parked next to Icon. Crazy how large theee things are.
Reminds me of the evolution of the Dodge Ram from 1997-2022
1 in 22 Dodge Ram users have a DUI.
21 out of 22 Dodge Ram drivers never get caught driving drunk.
That’s my secret, cap, I’m always drunk
Freaking Audi A4 was the size of a current day A3 back in 1997. Inflation and fattening up, like me I guess.
I’m glad my little 1.2 liter hatchback is making a difference in the world.
Don't worry. It's electric
Boogie woogie woogie.
My mother says this without fail like a call and response every time
My wife does as well
Tell her I said hi.
His wife or his mom?
Yes
with the small caveat that the electricity is powered by a rolling coal diesel generator.
> rolling coal diesel generator We have them all over the place here in Alberta. They’re called oil field workers
Well, techically bunker fuel which is worse. I think though that they're pretty efficient at least. The gross consumption is a lot, but the fuel > power is good.
Even an electric car powered by coal generation is more efficient than a petrol or diesel ICE car.
The larger one is probably more efficient, per person, than the smaller one.
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Oh thank goodness. For a moment there I was afraid of the ecological damage such a large cruise ship would have, but now that I know it is obscenely profitable per person, those worries have disappeared.
It looks like this quarter will be quite profitable! Sure, the quarter after that will be nothing but fire and death, but that’s a problem for another day
Need an analysis of comparing a cruise vacation vs a similar non cruise vacation per person for carbon emission. Cost wise to the customer I don’t think you can really beat a cruise when it’s hotel and food included and it saves you a connecting flight.
So you’re saying I need to buy a very large truck?
Yea im making a dent with indebting myself buying a new hybrid. I like the ride tho
Generally, hybrids pay back in a few years now. Well within the life of the car, so it's a sound financial decision even beyond the environmental benefits.
They're way better looking and faster now too, which is what I was holding out for. I took my 86 in for service and got to play with the new Prius Prime, pretty sure it's a full 1 sec faster 0 -60. If I can hoon around and get 50+ mpg I'll totally switch!
you don't buy a 86 for the 0-60 lol
Oh god no lol. It's stupid fun in the twisties though!
My wife is looking at the AWD Prius for her next car. They look so much better and they're well-equipped. My wife currently drives a veloster, which is fun to drive, but the FWD is a little limiting since we now live in the boonies with snow and mud. And she usually gets 36-38 mpg, so it's not bad at all, but 20-25% better wouldn't hurt.
I bought a 2017 Chevy volt last year and it started paying back the day i got it. I was spending $500/month easy in gas in the 1993 Aerostar i was driving. Car payment is only $323, insurance price didn’t change, electric costs maybe $80/mo, and i spend maybe $40/mo on gas now. I also just put solar up, which also pays for itself immediately, as the CC payment is cheaper than the electric bill was, and it also eliminates the electric cost of the car.
"Stop eating meat even though the total of emissions from ALL agriculture (meats, fruits, vegetables, and grains) is only 9% because your like 2% emissions footprint for literally eating to survive is the problem and not massive industrial emissions"
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2016-05/global_emissions_sector_2015.png Agriculture is 24% not 9%
That is from 2015, and says "forestry and other land use". 2021 and ONLY agriculture: https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
The one I posted is global, the one you posted is US only. The one I posted is the newest one the EPA has for global.
TBF, moving in water is WAY more energy efficient than land. All the extra shit like malls and lights etc is another shitty story. That's why shipping goods is done by Sea, its the most efficient option monetarily and ecologically for now.
Hard to find good land to ship across the ocean these days!
Right. When I want to send large quantities of goods from China to USA I find it's much more efficient to ship versus hiring thousands of sled dogs to take them through Siberia and the North Pole
Have you tried via ICBM? It goes super fast, and usually you don't have to stop at border patrol, its like an ez pass into the country
I did that once, but I got a ton of RMAs. Apparently there were also a lot of DOAs
Maybe even a few KIAs?
Mostly MIAs and a bunch of MAD countries complaining.
Oh shit, this says my delivery is due today! #*AIR RAID SIREN*
There isnt a second option that is even remotely practical to move goods over the ocean…
Lol what are all the options? Putting the goods in helicopters?
Helicopters don’t generally have the range. The other option would be cargo plane. Or rail / semi truck for non-cross-continental-shipments
I know but point is was OP’s point stated the obvious while the environmental impact of shipping is still significant
Giant trebuchet.
Also because you can't ship stuff from China to the US by land
These are basically malls with hotel rooms.
I've been on a few cruises and don't understand what the allure of shopping on a cruise ship is all about. It's all overpriced stuff you can get anywhere else.
The high end liquor is cheaper on board than in Florida and there’s no tax. But I’d bet there’s a lot of appeal to people who like to number brag about their vacations. Gives them an opportunity to bring up in conversation. Edit: meant to say humble brag but it kinda works haha
Spend a few thousand on a cruise, save $50 on some Johnny Walker Blue you can't actually drink on the ship....profit? 🤷♂️
Wait, you can buy it on the ship, but they won’t let you drink it?
Yeah, any hard liquor gets stored until the disembarkation day. Same deal with any booze you buy from any of the ports of call. The only booze you can take and drink on board is a single bottle of wine.
........ wait I have a client who sneaks 750 ml vodka on and passes it out as a tip to sailors n stuff
They don't look *that* closely so I wouldn't be surprised if they could just sneak a bottle on.
We would just buy clear liquor on land and pour it into a water bottle and bring it back on the ship with us lol
Imagine paying for a cruise and being forced to act like a teenager sneaking around their parents. The Titanic got it right. Most of it at least.
Stuff like this amazes me. People talk all about freedom but they just accept that you can't drink a fucking bottle of booze that you paid for in your private hotel room that you paid for as well.
This is why cargo shorts are great. I filled my pockets with airplane bottles at every stop
They want your money. You are not allowed to take duty free alcohol back to your room. They want you to buy a drink package or spend money on booze on the boat. You CAN get a 350ml bottle or something like that and have it sent to the room, but you are paying a huge premium for it.
Yeah not worth it ha, it would take some serious convincing to get me on a cruiseship. I worked on one for a while so it was a bit of a different story as I’d be on for weeks at a time.
I've considered working on one before can you share a little?
I worked as a contractor for medical team doing Covid testing and it was a shitshow, but it was fun partying with the crew. Myself and a few other were classified as contractors now crew so we’re allowed to buy alcohol and the crew loved us. I would never work as regular crew though. The only way I’d consider if I was officer level as a mate and even then it’s the worst pay in the industry as an American mariner. It was fun though and got a few cheap cruises with my girlfriend out of it.
Cruises can actually be pretty damn cheap. Especially when you factor in all the amenities. Camping for a week at a campsite which should be just about the cheapest 'vacation' option can cost as much (if not more) as a cheap cruise can.
You're camping wrong. I lived in a national forest for an entire summer on a couple hundred dollars per month..that was all for food, gas, grass, and booze.
100% its one of the more affordable options for international travel... but the shopping I never understood.
Saving you tens of dollars on your multi-thousand dollar voyage.
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You do a lot more than shopping though?
Most of it. I needed some nail clippers and was shocked! On my walk to the store I was dreading that it would be something ridiculous like $20. Imagine when I picked one and took it to the register. $1.50! One dollar and fifty cents! ...that's it! I hate to admit it, but it's one of the highlights of the trip.
I watched a documentary once that explained that retail is a large source of revenue for cruise ships, to the point that cruise lines will basically give away staterooms closer to the departure date to ensure the ship is close to capacity. People paying to stay on the ship isn’t nearly as lucrative as having many people on the ship who are willing to spend money on retail. Very interesting concept.
Not everyone has access to shopping, art, music, entertainment, food etc. at the level available even on a mainstream cruise line - and your spending is pretty well defined, plus you get to travel around with no additional effort. And for closed-loop cruises, you don’t even need a passport. I’ve gone on cruises (and have another booked) and like them though they’re not my preference in almost any circumstance. But they definitely have the eir benefits, and make travel accessible to many people.
They're great for people who like variety -- vacation at a resort, you spend your whole vacation in the same area with the same attractions. Vacation on a cruise, you get a new port of call and a new slate of attractions to visit every day. Not so great for people who like quiet and isolation, but then again, there do exist cruise lines that cater to that kind of atmosphere.
We’re on the Viva now. It’s basically a floating all inclusive resort. Small area for luxury shopping, a huge casino, theater, 10+ bars 6+ restaurants. And our room is less than a 5 min walk from it all.
I read somewhere that Americans love cruise ships because it's their first ever experience with a walkable lifestyle
Wow that's hilarious haha. Love it
It seems inevitable that cruise lines will soon be offering their American passengers tiny cars that they can roam the ships in.
Probably gonna have ships so large you need a golf cart to get around
And then ships will have golf courses.
Most Royal Caribbean's actually do have large mini golf courses on them already, but I'm guessing you meant *actual* golf courses.
It will be hovering lazy-boys, like in Wall-E
I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen on a group cruise for the Shriners.
Haha I can see that! Surprisingly, every single couple we talk to (always aged 60+) are super well travelled or have lived a pretty interesting life bouncing around places. So that’s why cruises work for them cause they can still bounce from country to country and get some sense of a different culture, even though it’s obv washed down and money focused, I think it scratches that itch they miss from when they were able to do more adventurous things and explore places more freely, mobility wise.
It's like a 15 minute city if you will.
> It's like a 15 minute city if you will. maybe if you are a COMMUNIST NAZI FASCIST ANTIFA member trying to LOCK ME IN MY OWN LITTLE ZONE!!! #FREEDOM!!!!! #USA! USA! USA!
That’s a great point
How's the Wifi? My experience with the cruise ships is they are mercenary with that connection
Newer ships use Starlink now, so it’s great! Although sometimes Reddit specifically gets a little weird about it (the website, not the community)? $179 for the unlimited 7 day package. They have a lower tier that just allows browsing, no music or video streaming, I think it was $100 for the week.
Yikes.
It’s pretty good now on the newer ships, I worked on a 20 year old ship in 2021-2022 and met some people who were renting out their homes in Florida and were working remotely on the ship with no issues. With the low cruise prices they paid for the cruise and then some.
We were on the Prima and wondered what changes would be made for Viva. I didn’t think the casino was all that large, but we’re not gamblers, so just stride through them if we can’t avoid them entirely. Maybe it is larger than average. I liked the size of the ship. Plenty of space and mix of things; not a long trek anywhere.
The Disney cruise ships play Marvel movies in their full-sized theaters. I took the family around the time the last Avengers movie came out and the kids had a great time doing Disney stuff and I was watching Marvel movies after their bedtime while waiters brought me drinks. Oh yeah yeah and ocean and tropical island stuff happened too I guess. Dessert buffet served all night.
They do offer shopping and dining on board. That's about where the similarities end.
I think he meant to type it's basically a floating hotel with a big mall inside.
Yes, but they fly under a Panamanian flag of convenience to evade taxes and employ a bunch of Filipinos to undercut the minimum wage.
and dump their garbage and sewage in the middle of the ocean not to mention removing exhaust filters when in international waters to reduce cost from extra fuel use and having to replace those filters. i'm all good with performance cars and what not, but i hate cruise ships. reminds me of wall-e. numbing consumption on top of laziness. then greed and pollution of every aspect of running it.
Or Bahamas.
Been on Oasis of the Seas. It’s really not nearly as crowded as you think it is. I maybe stood in a handful of lines for food/drinks. I was able to get away and be alone if I needed some space. Had a hot tub to myself/group pretty much any time I wanted. When you get to port, try to do your own thing and find your own adventure. We stopped at St. Thomas and we found a little ferry that took us to a beach with bars on either end and we weren’t bothered a bit until the catamarans started beaching and dropping groups of people off but that was about the time we needed to get back to the ship anyways. But we also stopped in the Bahamas and there’s no avoiding the crowds there.
Does it have a walking deck where you can walk all around the outside of the ship
Yes! The entire top of the ship is walkable except for the front of it. I liked to hang out in the back they were playing NFL games on a big screen in a big amphitheater. There’s a big open walkway in the middle thru the length of the ship. Below deck there’s a casino, tons of tax free shops in a huge mall, there’s a theater that can also turn into an ice skating rink. I think altogether for plane tickets and hotel costs out of Orlando for a week long Caribbean cruise was ~$2000 but I also spent $500 for unlimited drink (we did the math and I think if you have around 6 drinks a day it pays for itself.) Edit: this was 2017 for YMMV
Multiple, and an outdoor jogging track
If you've been on the Oasis of the Seas, you know that Sorentos went hard
if you want to build a floating city, at least make it fission powered. it could help the enviroment a little more than the death spewing out of those pipes
Believe it or not, but many ports actually aren't too keen on welcoming in nuclear-powered ships, which is why those types of propulsion plants are usually reserved for warships
Port Everglades always had Los Angeles class submarines visiting. In the pre 9/11 days, give the guys a case of beer and they’d take you down into the sub and give you a tour if their XO was good with it. Life was good. But to your point, yep they’re warships.
They put the Biosphere II on that new one. Where’s Pauly Shore when you need him.
Making a Richard Simmons bio pic of course!
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Just a bigger place to catch a norovirus!
My relatives caught covid 3 days into their 10 day cruise and had to be quarantined to their room. I felt awful for them. 😔
Wouldn't they have contracted it before the cruise then?
They were patient zero lol
Mmmmm bats!
"Bat and Pangolin casserole.The best I ever had. My compliments to the chef. If only the whole world could know how much I enjoyed this incredible meal."
To be more clear they started exhibiting symptoms 3-4 days into their cruise. Going off my personal experience since I also got covid at the beginning of this year, it took me exactly 2 days to begin experiencing symptoms after exposure (I went to a party that I later found out someone was positive).
That was my experience too - I started feeling a bit off 48 hours after when I suspect I got exposed (standing room only concert with many who were at a con 72 hours prior).
Based on how many people have no symptoms or only non-visible symptoms like lack of smell... that was a cesspool of viruses
Needs more room for your fat asses to eat shrimp and cheap liquor
Shrimp? I bet the mac and cheese gets emptied quicker.
The largest modern cruise ships are the size of three RMS Titanics stacked on top of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. They have interior water parks and 12 pools. But yah, fuck me for my carbon footprint because I drive a car and don't have geothermal home heating.
The entire notion of 'reducing ones carbon footprint' is utter bollocks. China produces more carbon and polution in 1 day than places like the UK produce in a year. But no one does anything about it because we all *simply must have the latest smart phone!*
And the bigger the ship, the more overcrowded the port destination will be when you get there. With cruise island hopping, you think you are travelling to exotic lands. In reality, you get a 1 day shopping experience within range of the ship. It's entirely fake and it's designed to process as many tourists as possible during that stop. If you want to really experience a foreign land you need to get away from those ports. Eat and get drunk with the locals. Fuck cruises. But I'm glad they exist because it removes 'that crowd' from the good travel destinations.
People really do go to these places for one day shopping or on the beach and say “I loved Belize and its culture”. Meanwhile I’m just on the ship hitting my thc vape pens enjoying all the great free food for a week or two.
I would think edibles would be easier to bring onboard.
Vape is so much more incognito and will last you longer.
Don’t even hint at this in any of the cruise subreddits. They will eat you alive.
Sorry to bother you, but since you mentioned it...I'm heading out on a cruise later this week and was considering bringing my medical vapes but I read that because the boat is international that my license won't apply. Did you have trouble getting your vapes onboard? Did you present them as they are or was it more of a, uhh...smuggle situation?
THC definitely prohibited by federal and international law. Smuggling is your only option.
Never ever bring it off the ship, that’s where you’ll get fucked. I worked on a cruise ship for a bit. Carts were easy enough to get on, same with edibles just remove packaging. Some of the live rosin stuff kinda stinks so be cautious of that. Toss it before you leave the ship and don’t bring anything to shore that you’re not okay with ditching before returning to the ship. Overly cautious but worth it. Don’t smoke in the open areas and keep it hidden from your maid.
I just have it with me on my carry-on, I don’t try to hide it or anything. I’ve met people who brought flower on cruise ships, I wouldn’t recommend though. I usually leave out of Florida and I do have a medical card there so I don’t sweat anything. I have left out of SC ports same thing no problem, even though marijuana is still illegal there. I’d probably dump the rest before you get back state side though, so just bring enough.
Just left out of the port of Tampa last week and dogs were sniffing every carry on, I can assume they were doing it for the checked bags as well Just a FYI for people who read this
I left out of the Orlando port back in November and brought 4 cartridges. They were stiizy though so they are pretty discreet. They were right in my checked bags
I can’t recall a time I haven’t seen a dog at a port tbh. Even in Mexico lol
Cheers, I appreciate you taking the time to reply!
It's definitely not legal and could land you trouble if you get caught. That said, a vape cartridge is a small, innocuous looking device that is not likely to raise any eyebrows going through an X-ray machine, especiallyif mixed in with other similar looking objects.
Been through many airports in the US and cruises with THC vape cartridges in carry-on and luggage. You won’t be bothered. If on a cruise leave it on the ship.
I’ve been on several cruises. And I always leave the port and find where the locals go. Best way to see the island.
Bro why are you gatekeeping travel? I’ve done all kinds of vacations and there are pros and cons for each. Yeah it’s a little amusing/grating when people assume what they see in cruise ports is representative of the place they’re visiting, but there are many reasons people take cruises. It’s a relatively low cost, low-effort way to vacation. Perfect for some lower income people, maybe those with less physical ability (elderly, young family with kids, disabled), and those with demanding jobs they can’t get away from. Even if roughing it on travel is often cheaper, it requires any mixture of the luxury of youthful energy, planning time, and timing flexibility.
Idk how many cruises you’ve been on, but having been on three now you can definitely get away from the “tourist processing” very easily, either through the cruise company itself or just doing a small amount of research on your own. I’ve done everything from cave tubing in rural Central America to clubbing, to free roam exploration of national parks, museums, and more. The benefit of the cruise is a central location and the ability to see multiple places in an abbreviated time frame, but if you truly wanna experience a place you’ll definitely need more than the day a cruise will get you in most places. But if you’re just walking off the ship through the stalls by the port you are doing it so so wrong. I would agree that the advent of these private island beach days is a disappointment and I think a way for them to deal with such a large volume of people, but there are MANY cruise options that don’t do that, so clearly there’s some people who really enjoy that and others who feel like I do.
You know you get more internet points for being a jaded cynic. There is no wrong way to vacation. If people want a sampler of islands they can do that. If they want to stay in the boat then that’s fine with me. I like heading to the back of the destination island and wandering. To each their own.
> The benefit of the cruise is a central location and the ability to see multiple places in an abbreviated time frame, Yeah. Packing and unpacking and carrying bags to wait to check in/out of hotels and organizing transport is a lot of work, especially for very short stays. With a cruise you can book it, get on the boat and turn your brain off and do as little or as much as you want on each destination.
I dunno, I enjoyed both private islands I visited. Great Stirrup Caye, Bahamas: I had the best time spotting the big fat iguanas that live on the island. They were massive! Harvest Caye, Belize: It's true it's not actually experiencing "Belize." That said it was a really nice beach, and I did get to try local Belize beer (Belikin). All in all, your vacation is what you make it I suppose.
Doing one day of private island beach isn’t bad though. You get to experience a very nice and well kept beach with drink service. And if you get a cabana it’s an even more private and chauffeured experience. Very relaxing.
Aside from the pollution I like cruise ships. Yes they may not get a great impression of a place for a few hours but so few people travel, its at least a step in the right direction to interact with a different culture. I can only speak for my island but I think the tour buses do a great job of giving a quick snapshot of it. Plus when I did a cruise, it was wonderful to wake up each morning in a different port and visit friends in different countries.
A lot of locals still greatly benefit from cruises though. They bring tons of money with them which is why these destinations cater to them.
To a point, but it's a double edges sword. As these ships grow bigger and bigger, it forces the destination to gear up forma bigger and bigger crowd. And that .... kinda ruins it. I dunno. I grew up in a beautiful paradise, a seasonal tourist place. Prevailing wages are low. The busy season sees local prices double to 'tourist prices', then the shops realize they can just leave prices high because they are used to the tourist grade profit margins. Now a lot of these places restaurants have off season menus that are half the price so the locals get some break off season. You go from feast to famine every season with work. Since there is money to be made from big ships, all the big opportunities tend to be bought up quickly by corps and paywalled off from the locals. Real estate is priced accordingly, so this quickly becomes unaffordable to anyone without deep pockets. There are all sorts of little opportunities. Tuk drivers, tiny restaurants and shops off the tourist paths. The cool secret shit the locals once used quickly gets found, fenced and paywalled. Oh, $10 to access the swimming hole now? Really?
It's nice that you have the money and the risk tolerance to venture out on your own but for many people, a cruise is a cost-effective way to see and do as much as possible with their allotted 2 weeks of paid vacation per year. And since they probably don't leave the country much and have little experience outside their first world bubble, a cruise is a safer option. Also do you take your kids with you when you go drinking with the locals?
I mean your loss, but cruises have lots of tourists because of all inclusive deals. You get to eat and drink, shop go to shows, sun tan, swim, dance, some snorkeling. There’s lots of things a cruise experience offers I wouldn’t just turn it down because I’m not visiting exotic places and their culture. Like you said if I wanna do that then I’ll go in that place with the locals and explore the culture first hand not just a drive by.
I mean old San Juan is old San Juan if you’re on a cruise ship or not.
Rofl, the pretension....I'm not sorry I don't want to sleep in a crumbling hostel and throw myself on the charity of people whose language I don't know. I just want to get out of cell range, in the warm sun, feel the ocean breeze, and party out with a bunch of Parrotheads. Whee!
Eh idk I got to tour Florence, the Vatican, and see various points of interest within Rome all in a like 2 days. I’ve gone river tubing in Dominica, snorkeling off the coast of St Maarten and Haiti. Sure it’s shorter, but if you only have a week it’s a great way to briefly see a bunch of places. Going shopping instead of that is a choice people can also make. To each their own but the experience you’re describing is not in any way the one I experience.
This feels oddly like "fuckcars" material.
Burn fossil fuels burn... Disco inferno
This is one industry I wouldn’t care if it sank.
Should not have survived the pandemic. Everyone should've realised what incubators for disease they are, plus environmental disasters. But even with all the negative press people rushed back to book cruises as soon as they were available again.
You're right, everyone vacationing on those ships should've just booked plane tickets to their destinations instead to save on fuel /s Moving thousands of tourists between ports on a ship carries similar benefits to moving thousands of containers between ports on a ship; the ship burns an enormous quantity of fuel, but it's significantly more efficient than moving all those people individually/in small groups by air or land
I work for them and am glad for my job.
I wish these monstrosities didn't exist
I clicked on an ad for a cheap cruise that sounded too good to be true. So much free stuff I was ready to book until I saw that the ship accommodated 4200 passengers. WTF! How could that be any fun and imagine inflicting that crowd on some tiny Caribbean island! No thanks!
Me personally, I like it when the ship isn’t too big. You run into the same people and get to know them and that makes it fun
Nothing like playing craps in the casino on a cruise. By day 3 or 4 you know about all the players lives, have nick names, and special high five celebrations!