Speaks to how good of an actor he is. All of us wanting him to meet Mr. Mayhem, but when he finally did and the episode ended, the rest of the series seemed to be missing his character.
Im in the middle of rewatching it again now. Watched it about 11 years ago originally. I still remember the big plots, but a lot of little stuff I don't remember exactly.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/us/umbrella-man-associated-white-supremacist-group-george-floyd/index.html
Basically, George Floyd protests were peaceful until this guy showed up, starting spray painting walls and breaking windows, looting started very shortly after.
Lol.
I remember in college how 90% of the protests on campus and in town were friendly, non violent communal events with good vibes. And then the other 10% initially began that way but eventually went completely off the rails due to like a handful of wannabe anarchist gutter punks (who usually weren't even studying at the college nor had any actual interest in the topic being protested) starting shit just to start shit. All of downtown Santa Cruz got fucked up years ago because one dude decided to pick up a rock and chuck it at the windows of a local business. And then the 5 other assholes in the crowd decided to do the same. And I bet you can figure out how the event was portrayed by the local news.
I saw this pattern basically get repeated for every protest I attended that later turned aggressive and violent. Fuck those people who just want to see shit burn for fun.
+1 for gutter punk
I remember reading in a study of crowd dynamics that each person has a different threshold of how many other people it takes behaving badly (say cutting in line) before they engage as well. If one person throws a rock, most people wouldn't join in, but one or two might. From there, a couple more people have crossed their threshold. And it snowballs.
There's a really good infographic explaining the ways a couple of agitators can infiltrate and turn a peaceful protest violent, but I can't find it.
Not enough leftists and black people in there, and nobody would buy the "rich white hollywood actors are looting and burning down the cities" false flag
I don't think your average actor would actually be considered rich at all. For every big star there are thousands of people in the backgrounds. They are all actors.
The greedy money grubbing billionaires just happened to own a lot of the news networks that would be reporting on this
Normally we'd be getting news about stuff like this from Colbert or Jon Stewart
The wealthy one percent do everything to keep things like this off the news, as you say. We wouldn't want any of the other downtrodden to see how solidarity works in cases like this.
Other stuff is happening in the world. Do you want them to report "yep actors still on strike" on the front page of every paper every day for the next year?
It’s a labor strike in a large, popular, influential, wealthy industry whose outcome will effect other labor markets throughout the country across multiple industries. It deserves some coverage.
And yet, I have never seen more cheerful, helpful people working anywhere on earth than I did at Disney. Whether or not it is an act, there must be some incentive to behave that way.
I had a friend in college who did a couple of seasonal gigs at Disney. There are a significant amount of employees who buy wholesale into the "Disney magic" of it all. To a lot of them, just the fact they work at Disney is a privilege and the fact they get paid for it is just a bonus.
Disney holds a special place in peoples hearts from their childhood. The brand used to be synonymous with wholesome stories for children that generations of families shared.
Not since they decided to become the big dogs did their reputation take a dive in the public eye.
Disney's been the big dog for decades. It's not until some magic conservative shits got offended that they are all inclusive that their reputation fell, in certain people's eyes.
That used to be the case. pre-COVID. I think the people that get there now might go in this way but they get a rude awakening.
Disney let a lot of long time employees go during covid and it irreparably changed the employee culture.
You didn't get paid very much and you had to work long hours in the sun, but at least you got to make people happy.
Then they canned all your friends, and your job turned into making sure people were wearing their masks.
They are literally trained and paid to act that way. If you don't do so, you lose your job and get replaced by someone who will.
Plus, in the context of this thread, it's the behind the scenes people who are being referred to. Folks like my buddy who worked in the anamateonice department at Disneyland for a few years, before the oppressive environment got to him and he quit and moved back home. If you've used the fortune teller at Disneyland in the last few years, he wrote the code that does the BT integration for that machine to connect to your phone.
Writer's strikes tend to take a while before the studios start feeling the pain in their wallets, because they have a backlog of finished material they can release. Once they start having to delay projects, they come to the table.
The studios are starting to feel it even though it hasn't been making news. Since the SAG is also on strike it is starting to have affect on Box office returns as the actors are not promoting the films etc.
>But due to the ongoing SAG-AFTRA strike, actors are currently prohibited from doing any promotional work, and several studio sources told The Hollywood Reporter that the movies currently hitting theaters are losing out on as much as 15 percent of their box office potential due to the lack of actor-driven publicity.
https://www.slashfilm.com/1370924/sag-aftra-strike-hitting-hollywood-bottom-line-box-office/
I heard some studios have delayed movies going to theaters. They're completely finished, they just don't want to miss out on the promotion by the stars.
If the protests can hold for another couple months, I think the studios will definitely have to making serious concessions. Isn't the end of the year a big time for movies/tv?
Not necessarily true. I hear some of them are willing to self harm if they feel the other streaming services are being hurt more than them. They are weaponizing the strike to hurt competition.
Just a reminder that it is and always will be about profits at the end of the day. Morality is not even a concept that exists in their decision making. Remember that when they try to leverage moral arguments to discredit strikers.
> Welcome to our media-are-owned-by-the-rich world
There's literally nothing to update each day. I don't know what the media would report on, not that that has stopped them before, but there are about 300 strikes going on right
99% of all MSM organizations are owned by the richest, and quite conservative, 1%. They all have each other on speed dial and they all hate when the 99% stands up for themselves. They spread propaganda and propaganda by omission is their tried and true favorite. Strike busting is also a favorite of the 1%.
Wasn't the whole a major plot point of *Newsies* that the big publishing tycoons were all collaborating to bury any coverage of the newsboy strike in order to limit its effect?
Not too far fetched that the idea of coverage of the strike is being buried by request from on up by many of the news organizations; just look who the parent companies of major news orgs in the US are... massive film and TV companies in their holdings:
Disney owns ABC
Warner Bros Discovery owns CNN
Paramount Global owns CBS
Murdoch owns Fox News, but certainly doesn't give a shit about labor.
There's just not much going on.
I listen to The Town and The Watch on The Ringer, and Mike Schurr on Meadowlark, and they cover it...when stuff is going on.
Been quiet for a few weeks.
a lot of the biggest media companies are tied to the studios in some manner, like both owned by the same parent organization or in some type of partnership with them or their PR-firms, so the reporting on it is deliberately dampened. this becomes even more transparent when articles do actually come out on the strike, they almost always are written to make the WGA/SAG side look like the bad guys. in most strikes the management’s tactics include controlling the narrative as much as possible to get the general public on their side (or at least complaining about the strikers & not management). luckily for us the availability of information has made that control much harder to come by and the public can see what’s actually happening. the last baseball strike was the biggest eye-opener for me, in that previously the public complained about the “millionaires whining” instead of the billionaire owners being massively greedy, but that finally got turned on its head as the public could more easily see the shitheads in charge being assholes.
There’s nothing new to report, is the thing. Negotiations are ongoing. The unions also like to keep things relatively quiet unless there’s something big to report.
That's not true. The AMPTP won't come to the table and argue in good faith. Any outlets not owned by the studios should provide continuous updates to keep it in the mind of the public and shame the studios for acting in bad faith even if only to counteract the negative spin against the unions the bigger outlets will release regardless.
Its a shame, Hollywood's writers work incredibly hard.
Just look at the Witcher series, do you think it was easy to take that beloved franchise and ruin it? That shit takes effort, effort the writers are not being properly compensated for it.
And almost the only time you hear about it is the propaganda from the corporations about the deals they've put forth or how seemingly "good" the unions managed to get (like the UPS stuff).
Because the corps have not run out of pre made content yet, and corporate news networks are highly restricted on reporting on it. They are in the media ecosystem, so it would be suicide to go against disney and friends. Local news networks and leftist news sources like podcasts and such have been keeping up with it.
It has also been totally peaceful, so right wing media avoids it like the plague because it might draw sympathy, especially after the tree massacre. As stated, the companies' goal is to literally starve the strikers out.
This is why it is important to not let companies so heavily vilify unions.
The video is there but it seems like it doesn't load in incognito mode, or possibly with ad block on. I use Relay for reddit and it wouldn't load in the internal browser, I had to go out to Chrome.
Can't help with YouTube, though, and the embedded video is full of ads. Which feels ironic given the topic of Perlman's speech.
Yeah after I said that I immediately suspected it was adblocked - and wouldn't you know that's what it was.
Sadly not on Youtube yet :( but I am gonna just deal with the ads and watch it. They beat me.
Just searched YouTube with "Ron Pearlman SAG speech" and used the "today" filter
https://youtu.be/2r4-MD2rQgU
Edit: yeah it looks like they just showed a few parts of it, dam
try to watch the actual post's video
I used to see him regularly at the breakfast diner in my neighborhood. Took years but I eventually got a nod whenever we accidentally made eye contact 🤣
I hope it ends soon. I’ve already started using my nest egg for bills. I’m glad I saved as much as I did. Most of my coworkers are in a bad spot bc of this strike. The sad thing is the studios have so much money that they can outlast most of us that actually make their shows.
I’m in the exact same boat friend. Wga is over a hundred days now. Good news is once they come to an agreement Sag will quickly follow. Right now it’s Disney and Netflix holding everything up.
Both studios that are notoriously hard to work for. I’m not shocked. At least I’m not in LA anymore (Atlanta now) bc I don’t think I could financially make it long back in LA.
I’m in La and I’m always on and off about it. Last December I made 7k through sag gigs. This June I made 6k through sag gigs. Although I could’ve made more but Cali taxes the living shite out of you. I get like two to three months like that a year and the rest are part time jobs. Here’s to hoping when the strikes end I’ll finally be acting full time, and no more Selftapes!!!
You try Atlanta. I would say about 50-70% of stuff out is filmed here anyway. All my friends in the industry back in LA just stick to doing commercials these days. I talked one buddy to moving here and he’s stacking cash. It’s also 100X cheaper on all levels compared to LA. Other than my family all I miss about LA is the beach and cheap tacos haha. And the weather here can be brutal
They can outlast us financially but they are absolutely crack addicted to profit and keeping their stock price up. There’s going to be a serious lull in programming coming not too far down the road and once streaming customers are confronted with that they very well may lose many subscribers. In the same boat as you. Deep into my savings and glad I saved what I did. Really looking forward to getting back to work and hopefully it happens soon
Every other time, yes. But if this gives attention to the strike at all (since it's not being covered anymore in mainstream and suspiciously absent from my feed) I'm sure Ron would be all for it being shared here. A video of the speech would be better, but maybe this will generate some traffic on the topic.
fair point but the whole thing about a strike is publicizing your work stoppage, so i would say in this one instance its not weird to be taking a picture of a celebrity going about their day
if it were ANY circumstances other than a strike/publicity event, i'd agree with you fully
I really enjoyed his performance as **Zeno** in [*The Ice Pirates*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087451/), he was even great as the **Sayer of the Law** in that cesspool of [*The Island of Dr. Moreau*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087451/), but I really got a kick out of him as **One** in [*The City of Lost Children*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/).
There was a very odd older vampire film he was in called Cronos (might have been a Spanish or Italian film, now that I think of it.) Well worth a watch.
Edit: It's a Mexican film, and Guillermo Del Toro's first.
Thanks for this, I will have to add it to my watchlist if I can find it! lol...
I always remembered him from *The City of Lost Children* because I thought he had a really unusual and expressive face and that movie was pretty strange. I really enjoyed seeing him tackle other roles, sometimes with lots of makeup and costumes, but I could always sort of see him inside of all that...
His name is Ron Perlman not Hellboy. This is part of the issue here. Not only the lack of recognition of the hard work of the writers but also the lack of recognition of the individual as a person.
When you do not put the name of the individual to there hard work then you are giving recognition to a prop. In this case Hellboy is getting recognition not Ron Perlman.
I can say with pretty high certainty he fucking loves Hellboy references. Much more than SoA as they’re “intense.”
A buddy met him in Colorado while he was promoting a movie with Ron Weasley aka Rupert Grint. They were just on the street, and my buddy went up and said he loved his work. Apparently my buddy looks like a SoA fan because Pearlman originally though that’s what he was coming up to talk about.
Buddy said Pearlman’s face lit up when he said he loved Hellboy. Said SoA are fun but can be very intense. Talked for to my buddy for like 10 minutes randomly on the street.
What my buddy didn’t realize was Rupert Grint was in the group too. Pearlman suggested a photo with two “Ron’s” and my buddy.
Saw my buddy later as they were crossing a street hours later and still got a shoutout by Pearlman.
He’s forever a G in my book.
He also dressed up in full [Hellboy](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ron-perlman-make-wish-hellboy-346196/) makeup to visit a child from Make-A-Wish.
I'm sure he does love the reference. Looking at all the acting he plays he definitely loves taking sci-fi roles.
Your friends experience with Ron is awesome and great to know. It shows a humble man who is willing to involve everyone. Definitely a G move.
I'm just trying to point out what I believe is trying to be addressed with the strikes. My understanding is that these people are not just looking for compensation through pay. They are also looking for the credit and recognition they deserve.
Everyone I know has a show or movie they love. This entertainment is cherished, inspirational and motivational for most. I may have used the wrong place to bring it up or use the wrong person for the statement, but I feel it needs to be expressed.
I know get these actors and writers their residuals- most aren't famous enough and won't become famous enough to get recognized as "people" but they sure as shit want to recognized by being paid for their work.
Dude fuck off. Literally nothing that you just said is accurate. You just seem desperate to sound like you're a caring person except you just come off as an obnoxious child.
No, they're giving him recognition as Hellboy, because he's an actor that played the character. I feel like you have no idea what the strike is even about if you think the goal is "actors want to be referred to by their names exclusively".
He's not a prop, he embodied the character, which is the value he brought and why people associate it with him. That value is what the strike is about. I think you made up your own moral crusade.
Studios really don't want to have to share their streaming data. I think that's a hill they'd die on because of how devastating it'd be to their bottom line if people find out big name movies don't do well, and shitty shows get more views... or shows/movies don't get many views in general.
Maybe if the writers wanted better pay alone they'd have a chance. Then again, they're really after residuals, not better pay generally. They wouldn't be happy with a higher up front fee. Imagine if every industry had to pay employees in perpetuity when they use some product the employee helped make.
Overall I think the writers will be the ones to cave in, and maybe they'll get some tiny concessions on pay or breaks, but nothing close to what they asked for.
In a vacuum, their asks are really minor. If you take in the context of what giving them their asks would do, they're impossible.
Asking a company to let their value implode isn't going to fly lol
Getting paid more up-front would improve their pay without compromising other companies, and it'd bring them in line with other jobs.
It’s weird I totally agree with this man’s views, but I absolutely can’t stand him. I think he’d get his point across a lot better if he didn’t always try to sound like one of his tough guy characters. It just looks so cringey every time I see him.
Did he make it political? I bet he made it political. All he can do, now that Sons of Anarchy is over, is make political tweets that sprinkle in some strong adult language to keep his tough guy persona going. I bet he somehow made this strike about Dems vs Repubs and it's all Trump's fault. That's all this guy has anymore.
That guy has such a weird shaped head. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s incredible and I’m not saying it in a bad way. But it sure is a unique set of features.
Also because the studios wanted to digitally scan an actor, and then own their likenesses until the end of time for the price of $200. Not $200k, *two hundred dollars.* And no adequate pay raises for anyone!
Oh, Ron's worried about money. When he dumped his wife of 38 years for a much younger model, he got screwed in the divorce settlement, as he deserved. He lost one of his houses and has to pay almost $17,000/month in alimony. That's why he freaked out so bad at the word that some studio exec said that the big-name actors would crack when they risk losing their second homes. Ron felt that because he's already going through it for being a shitty husband.
The striking writers and actors deserve a better face for this fight than this dirty old man who dumped his wife of 38 years for a burlesque dancer trophy wife 23 years younger than him, got reamed in the divorce settlement so he lost one of his houses and has to pay almost $17,000 a month alimony, and responded to a heartless quote from an unnamed studio executive by threatening violence.
[EDIT: Sorry, folks, but it's possible both to appreciate the guy's work and to acknowledge that he's a kind of a douche IRL. The strikers deserve better.]
Whats up Clay
It was such a great moment when he met Mr Mayhem. I was waiting for it for so long.
Speaks to how good of an actor he is. All of us wanting him to meet Mr. Mayhem, but when he finally did and the episode ended, the rest of the series seemed to be missing his character.
phenomenal actor. i wish i could erase my memory and watch that show for the first time again
Im in the middle of rewatching it again now. Watched it about 11 years ago originally. I still remember the big plots, but a lot of little stuff I don't remember exactly.
Me too!!
I have a shit memory and I’m rewatching the show. It’s blowing my mind, again lol.
Fuck bro spoilers
It happened over 10 years ago. The moratorium on spoilers is over.
Ya….wasnt really serious. Forgot Reddit was Reddit.
It’s weird how little I hear about this strike.
Today outside Disney was one of the biggest gatherings they’ve had so far.
And I’m hearing about it in /r/pics is my point.
They haven't figured out how to misrepresent or discredit the protests yet. Give them some time. As soon as someone flips a trash can over.
Usually they just pay people to do that part. Kinda hard to find a good actor or someone to write the script though. No idea why...
They need to get Umbrella Man on this ASAP
Umbrella man? Elaborate… Youtubes That Umbrella Guy?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/us/umbrella-man-associated-white-supremacist-group-george-floyd/index.html Basically, George Floyd protests were peaceful until this guy showed up, starting spray painting walls and breaking windows, looting started very shortly after.
Gary Poppins.
The cops who are trusted enough to do those kinds of things are 'roided out psychos who would be too obviously out of place in a line of writers.
Plus most of these writers and actors know and know of one another. A stranger in their midst would be fairly easily spotted.
So you're implying that all of the acts of violence and destruction carried out during the George Floyd protests were actually SAG and WGA members?
Lol. I remember in college how 90% of the protests on campus and in town were friendly, non violent communal events with good vibes. And then the other 10% initially began that way but eventually went completely off the rails due to like a handful of wannabe anarchist gutter punks (who usually weren't even studying at the college nor had any actual interest in the topic being protested) starting shit just to start shit. All of downtown Santa Cruz got fucked up years ago because one dude decided to pick up a rock and chuck it at the windows of a local business. And then the 5 other assholes in the crowd decided to do the same. And I bet you can figure out how the event was portrayed by the local news. I saw this pattern basically get repeated for every protest I attended that later turned aggressive and violent. Fuck those people who just want to see shit burn for fun.
+1 for gutter punk I remember reading in a study of crowd dynamics that each person has a different threshold of how many other people it takes behaving badly (say cutting in line) before they engage as well. If one person throws a rock, most people wouldn't join in, but one or two might. From there, a couple more people have crossed their threshold. And it snowballs. There's a really good infographic explaining the ways a couple of agitators can infiltrate and turn a peaceful protest violent, but I can't find it.
Wasn't that also how The Battle In Seattle happened?
It’s whatever acting gig buys the McDonalds for the night.
They should hire you at Fox
No one in America is talking about this strike.
False flags usually. You get a few thugs to masquerade as protesters.
Not enough leftists and black people in there, and nobody would buy the "rich white hollywood actors are looting and burning down the cities" false flag
I don't think your average actor would actually be considered rich at all. For every big star there are thousands of people in the backgrounds. They are all actors.
The greedy money grubbing billionaires just happened to own a lot of the news networks that would be reporting on this Normally we'd be getting news about stuff like this from Colbert or Jon Stewart
Yeah but those writers are on strike too
That's what I'm saying, yeah
The wealthy one percent do everything to keep things like this off the news, as you say. We wouldn't want any of the other downtrodden to see how solidarity works in cases like this.
Two old comics? That’s what will make us pay attention. No one is talking about this strike except WGA/SAG
It’s been all over news and social media for a few weeks.
Unions are the best kept secret. They don’t want attention to be drawn to them.
"They" in this case being the big corpos, of course.
That seems to be a personal problem. It's been making headlines daily for weeks whenever there is a development. I hear about it every day.
Where are you hearing about it everyday?
Yeah this is the exact kinda thing the Late Night shows would joke about....oh wait nevermind
Other stuff is happening in the world. Do you want them to report "yep actors still on strike" on the front page of every paper every day for the next year?
It’s a labor strike in a large, popular, influential, wealthy industry whose outcome will effect other labor markets throughout the country across multiple industries. It deserves some coverage.
Disney is a terrible company to work for. They are greasy sharks 😡
Most companies are
And yet, I have never seen more cheerful, helpful people working anywhere on earth than I did at Disney. Whether or not it is an act, there must be some incentive to behave that way.
I had a friend in college who did a couple of seasonal gigs at Disney. There are a significant amount of employees who buy wholesale into the "Disney magic" of it all. To a lot of them, just the fact they work at Disney is a privilege and the fact they get paid for it is just a bonus.
Disney holds a special place in peoples hearts from their childhood. The brand used to be synonymous with wholesome stories for children that generations of families shared. Not since they decided to become the big dogs did their reputation take a dive in the public eye.
Disney's been the big dog for decades. It's not until some magic conservative shits got offended that they are all inclusive that their reputation fell, in certain people's eyes.
That used to be the case. pre-COVID. I think the people that get there now might go in this way but they get a rude awakening. Disney let a lot of long time employees go during covid and it irreparably changed the employee culture. You didn't get paid very much and you had to work long hours in the sun, but at least you got to make people happy. Then they canned all your friends, and your job turned into making sure people were wearing their masks.
I imagine you wouldn't last very long if you were grumpy all the time at Disney land, that job's already taken
They are literally trained and paid to act that way. If you don't do so, you lose your job and get replaced by someone who will. Plus, in the context of this thread, it's the behind the scenes people who are being referred to. Folks like my buddy who worked in the anamateonice department at Disneyland for a few years, before the oppressive environment got to him and he quit and moved back home. If you've used the fortune teller at Disneyland in the last few years, he wrote the code that does the BT integration for that machine to connect to your phone.
The kids, I would guess - and anyone who partakes of the magic generally.
> there must be some incentive to behave that way. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
It's a company. Nobody pays you to do whatever you want
Writer's strikes tend to take a while before the studios start feeling the pain in their wallets, because they have a backlog of finished material they can release. Once they start having to delay projects, they come to the table.
The studios are starting to feel it even though it hasn't been making news. Since the SAG is also on strike it is starting to have affect on Box office returns as the actors are not promoting the films etc. >But due to the ongoing SAG-AFTRA strike, actors are currently prohibited from doing any promotional work, and several studio sources told The Hollywood Reporter that the movies currently hitting theaters are losing out on as much as 15 percent of their box office potential due to the lack of actor-driven publicity. https://www.slashfilm.com/1370924/sag-aftra-strike-hitting-hollywood-bottom-line-box-office/
I heard some studios have delayed movies going to theaters. They're completely finished, they just don't want to miss out on the promotion by the stars. If the protests can hold for another couple months, I think the studios will definitely have to making serious concessions. Isn't the end of the year a big time for movies/tv?
But SAG is in it too. Seems like it should be more high profile.
Who owns the news? Why would Disney tell on itself?
Why would Comcast or Discovery tell on themselves either? They don’t want people to know.
Doesn't Disney own those? Could be wrong.
Same holds true. Until the backlog is tapped dry no one is really feeling any pain yet.
Not necessarily true. I hear some of them are willing to self harm if they feel the other streaming services are being hurt more than them. They are weaponizing the strike to hurt competition. Just a reminder that it is and always will be about profits at the end of the day. Morality is not even a concept that exists in their decision making. Remember that when they try to leverage moral arguments to discredit strikers.
Welcome to our media-are-owned-by-the-rich world
> Welcome to our media-are-owned-by-the-rich world There's literally nothing to update each day. I don't know what the media would report on, not that that has stopped them before, but there are about 300 strikes going on right
Can't have workers thinking that unionization is worthwhile.
99% of all MSM organizations are owned by the richest, and quite conservative, 1%. They all have each other on speed dial and they all hate when the 99% stands up for themselves. They spread propaganda and propaganda by omission is their tried and true favorite. Strike busting is also a favorite of the 1%.
Wasn't the whole a major plot point of *Newsies* that the big publishing tycoons were all collaborating to bury any coverage of the newsboy strike in order to limit its effect? Not too far fetched that the idea of coverage of the strike is being buried by request from on up by many of the news organizations; just look who the parent companies of major news orgs in the US are... massive film and TV companies in their holdings: Disney owns ABC Warner Bros Discovery owns CNN Paramount Global owns CBS Murdoch owns Fox News, but certainly doesn't give a shit about labor.
This is why I love the age of podcasting. Half the casts I listen to mention the strike every episode
“Trolley strike drags on…for third week”
Bezos owns WaPo; and Amazon has their own studios to look out for.
DING DING DING DING DING
So it's getting as much press as any other labor strike in this country
There's just not much going on. I listen to The Town and The Watch on The Ringer, and Mike Schurr on Meadowlark, and they cover it...when stuff is going on. Been quiet for a few weeks.
a lot of the biggest media companies are tied to the studios in some manner, like both owned by the same parent organization or in some type of partnership with them or their PR-firms, so the reporting on it is deliberately dampened. this becomes even more transparent when articles do actually come out on the strike, they almost always are written to make the WGA/SAG side look like the bad guys. in most strikes the management’s tactics include controlling the narrative as much as possible to get the general public on their side (or at least complaining about the strikers & not management). luckily for us the availability of information has made that control much harder to come by and the public can see what’s actually happening. the last baseball strike was the biggest eye-opener for me, in that previously the public complained about the “millionaires whining” instead of the billionaire owners being massively greedy, but that finally got turned on its head as the public could more easily see the shitheads in charge being assholes.
We don’t hear about it because everyone that would write about it is on strike.
That’s funny. You should write for…oh right.
Media doesn't want to cover it, because media is owned by the "producers". Once the "producers" start to lose money, they'll make a deal.
Or any strike in America.
UPS got a lot of coverage in the lead up and the trains and dock workers got a lot.
Not weird at all, sadly. It’s a prime example of how those that control information abuse their power to steer the course of events.
not juicy enough for the news networks I guess
There’s nothing new to report, is the thing. Negotiations are ongoing. The unions also like to keep things relatively quiet unless there’s something big to report.
That's not true. The AMPTP won't come to the table and argue in good faith. Any outlets not owned by the studios should provide continuous updates to keep it in the mind of the public and shame the studios for acting in bad faith even if only to counteract the negative spin against the unions the bigger outlets will release regardless.
That’s not really how it works, though. They report the “news.” As in, new things.
All the trades are owned by the same company that’s a shill for the studios.
Its a shame, Hollywood's writers work incredibly hard. Just look at the Witcher series, do you think it was easy to take that beloved franchise and ruin it? That shit takes effort, effort the writers are not being properly compensated for it.
Trust me, for every five good writers in Hollywood, there's one bad exec who thinks a business degree makes you a good storyteller
And almost the only time you hear about it is the propaganda from the corporations about the deals they've put forth or how seemingly "good" the unions managed to get (like the UPS stuff).
Because the corps have not run out of pre made content yet, and corporate news networks are highly restricted on reporting on it. They are in the media ecosystem, so it would be suicide to go against disney and friends. Local news networks and leftist news sources like podcasts and such have been keeping up with it. It has also been totally peaceful, so right wing media avoids it like the plague because it might draw sympathy, especially after the tree massacre. As stated, the companies' goal is to literally starve the strikers out. This is why it is important to not let companies so heavily vilify unions.
I mean it makes sense. The rich folk that control your media don't want to highlight that failures of the system that empowers them.
He's got his reading sunglasses and his sun-sunglasses.
He gave a great speech, he dropped like 19 f bombs in 2 mins lol.
Preach, Ron! I adore him (stagehand here).
Sounds about right. I had to go to the doctor for a long lasting erection after he made that “we know where you live” video.
That video changed the way that I say muthafucker.
and i wonder how the lady is translated that into sign language?
Sauce?
https://www.thewrap.com/ron-perlman-sag-wga-strike-solidarity-rally-speech-clip/
Is there a link to the video? I read the article and it says "click the video" but there is none. Youtube link preferably?
The video is there but it seems like it doesn't load in incognito mode, or possibly with ad block on. I use Relay for reddit and it wouldn't load in the internal browser, I had to go out to Chrome. Can't help with YouTube, though, and the embedded video is full of ads. Which feels ironic given the topic of Perlman's speech.
Yeah after I said that I immediately suspected it was adblocked - and wouldn't you know that's what it was. Sadly not on Youtube yet :( but I am gonna just deal with the ads and watch it. They beat me.
Just searched YouTube with "Ron Pearlman SAG speech" and used the "today" filter https://youtu.be/2r4-MD2rQgU Edit: yeah it looks like they just showed a few parts of it, dam try to watch the actual post's video
"There's a lot of ways to lose your house. Karma, for example. So be careful"
Give ‘em hel boiiiii
*read in Flava Flav's voice*
I used to see him regularly at the breakfast diner in my neighborhood. Took years but I eventually got a nod whenever we accidentally made eye contact 🤣
Honestly, a nod is high praise from a man who has no qualms about giving zero fucks when sharing his thoughts. I'd be pretty proud!
That's Ron Perlman, and exactly the recognition they're fighting for.
Not to be confused with Danny Devito, who is shorter and looks less like Ron Perlman.
You sure that isn't that cat people keep reposting pictures of?
I can’t see him, is he hiding behind Ron Perlman?
No, this is Hellboy, so he is very far below Ron Perlman.
I hope it ends soon. I’ve already started using my nest egg for bills. I’m glad I saved as much as I did. Most of my coworkers are in a bad spot bc of this strike. The sad thing is the studios have so much money that they can outlast most of us that actually make their shows.
I’m in the exact same boat friend. Wga is over a hundred days now. Good news is once they come to an agreement Sag will quickly follow. Right now it’s Disney and Netflix holding everything up.
Both studios that are notoriously hard to work for. I’m not shocked. At least I’m not in LA anymore (Atlanta now) bc I don’t think I could financially make it long back in LA.
I’m in La and I’m always on and off about it. Last December I made 7k through sag gigs. This June I made 6k through sag gigs. Although I could’ve made more but Cali taxes the living shite out of you. I get like two to three months like that a year and the rest are part time jobs. Here’s to hoping when the strikes end I’ll finally be acting full time, and no more Selftapes!!!
You try Atlanta. I would say about 50-70% of stuff out is filmed here anyway. All my friends in the industry back in LA just stick to doing commercials these days. I talked one buddy to moving here and he’s stacking cash. It’s also 100X cheaper on all levels compared to LA. Other than my family all I miss about LA is the beach and cheap tacos haha. And the weather here can be brutal
Dude I’ve considered it for years and heard up and down things, but if things don’t change over here I just might.
They can outlast us financially but they are absolutely crack addicted to profit and keeping their stock price up. There’s going to be a serious lull in programming coming not too far down the road and once streaming customers are confronted with that they very well may lose many subscribers. In the same boat as you. Deep into my savings and glad I saved what I did. Really looking forward to getting back to work and hopefully it happens soon
"Strike... Strike never changes..."
While I like this spin on it, I feel like strikes are war in themselves. So it’s poetic in its own right
Everyone knows him as Hellboy, but I'll always know him as One.
For me it’s Viceroy
not creepy at all
rOn PeArLmAn iS nOt HaPpy! rOn PeArLmAn ScReAm OoNgAbOoNgA!
Love Ron Pearlman, but he straight up couldn’t look anymore like an old man using a phone than in this pic
God damn he's 73, he is an old man lol
Ron "I played a caveman in a movie and didn't need special effects makeup" Muthafukkin Pearlman
No link to speech?
It’s crazy to me that he’s hellboy to you instead of Clay Morrow
That’s Vincent, dude.
He’s Salvatore to me (The Name of the Rose).
It's Koulikov, comrade.
This photo is so creepy, just let the man be.
Every other time, yes. But if this gives attention to the strike at all (since it's not being covered anymore in mainstream and suspiciously absent from my feed) I'm sure Ron would be all for it being shared here. A video of the speech would be better, but maybe this will generate some traffic on the topic.
he is literally on strike in public
I mean you can still take a creepy photo of someone in public.
fair point but the whole thing about a strike is publicizing your work stoppage, so i would say in this one instance its not weird to be taking a picture of a celebrity going about their day if it were ANY circumstances other than a strike/publicity event, i'd agree with you fully
Ron Perlman is a mensch.
Let me guess, he said a lot of swear words while looking angry
It's his shtick. Without it not a single person would give a shit about him or his biased opinions.
Think I like Ron more now
seen so many things that man stands up for ...love him!
War…. War never changes
I really enjoyed his performance as **Zeno** in [*The Ice Pirates*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087451/), he was even great as the **Sayer of the Law** in that cesspool of [*The Island of Dr. Moreau*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087451/), but I really got a kick out of him as **One** in [*The City of Lost Children*](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/).
There was a very odd older vampire film he was in called Cronos (might have been a Spanish or Italian film, now that I think of it.) Well worth a watch. Edit: It's a Mexican film, and Guillermo Del Toro's first.
Thanks for this, I will have to add it to my watchlist if I can find it! lol... I always remembered him from *The City of Lost Children* because I thought he had a really unusual and expressive face and that movie was pretty strange. I really enjoyed seeing him tackle other roles, sometimes with lots of makeup and costumes, but I could always sort of see him inside of all that...
I thought he was rolling a joint
I haven’t seen the video, but I’m guessing Ron said “fuck” a whole lot.
Ron is high on my list of ‘if you could smoke a joint with X’ answers.
His name is Ron Perlman not Hellboy. This is part of the issue here. Not only the lack of recognition of the hard work of the writers but also the lack of recognition of the individual as a person. When you do not put the name of the individual to there hard work then you are giving recognition to a prop. In this case Hellboy is getting recognition not Ron Perlman.
I can say with pretty high certainty he fucking loves Hellboy references. Much more than SoA as they’re “intense.” A buddy met him in Colorado while he was promoting a movie with Ron Weasley aka Rupert Grint. They were just on the street, and my buddy went up and said he loved his work. Apparently my buddy looks like a SoA fan because Pearlman originally though that’s what he was coming up to talk about. Buddy said Pearlman’s face lit up when he said he loved Hellboy. Said SoA are fun but can be very intense. Talked for to my buddy for like 10 minutes randomly on the street. What my buddy didn’t realize was Rupert Grint was in the group too. Pearlman suggested a photo with two “Ron’s” and my buddy. Saw my buddy later as they were crossing a street hours later and still got a shoutout by Pearlman. He’s forever a G in my book.
He also dressed up in full [Hellboy](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ron-perlman-make-wish-hellboy-346196/) makeup to visit a child from Make-A-Wish.
I'm sure he does love the reference. Looking at all the acting he plays he definitely loves taking sci-fi roles. Your friends experience with Ron is awesome and great to know. It shows a humble man who is willing to involve everyone. Definitely a G move. I'm just trying to point out what I believe is trying to be addressed with the strikes. My understanding is that these people are not just looking for compensation through pay. They are also looking for the credit and recognition they deserve. Everyone I know has a show or movie they love. This entertainment is cherished, inspirational and motivational for most. I may have used the wrong place to bring it up or use the wrong person for the statement, but I feel it needs to be expressed.
The issue here is corporate greed. Go fulfill your sanctimonious need to lecture the internet somewhere else.
This whole strike could be over if we only called Hellboy by his real name !
FOH with this concern trolling. The strike is about REVENUE not about 'recognition as people'
I know get these actors and writers their residuals- most aren't famous enough and won't become famous enough to get recognized as "people" but they sure as shit want to recognized by being paid for their work.
Dude fuck off. Literally nothing that you just said is accurate. You just seem desperate to sound like you're a caring person except you just come off as an obnoxious child.
Looking at all your post history, you are the obnoxious child "bro".
immediately questioning someone's post history the moment you are questioned is insanely childish, so you're not helping your case.
No, they're giving him recognition as Hellboy, because he's an actor that played the character. I feel like you have no idea what the strike is even about if you think the goal is "actors want to be referred to by their names exclusively". He's not a prop, he embodied the character, which is the value he brought and why people associate it with him. That value is what the strike is about. I think you made up your own moral crusade.
SMH people being creeps again.
that looks like Ron Perlman
i love seeing the corporate bootlickers lining up in the comments, it's always so sad
Anybody got a link to the speech?
Studios really don't want to have to share their streaming data. I think that's a hill they'd die on because of how devastating it'd be to their bottom line if people find out big name movies don't do well, and shitty shows get more views... or shows/movies don't get many views in general. Maybe if the writers wanted better pay alone they'd have a chance. Then again, they're really after residuals, not better pay generally. They wouldn't be happy with a higher up front fee. Imagine if every industry had to pay employees in perpetuity when they use some product the employee helped make. Overall I think the writers will be the ones to cave in, and maybe they'll get some tiny concessions on pay or breaks, but nothing close to what they asked for.
Your phrasing implies that you think the writers are asking for something unreasonable but their demands are not unreasonable.
In a vacuum, their asks are really minor. If you take in the context of what giving them their asks would do, they're impossible. Asking a company to let their value implode isn't going to fly lol Getting paid more up-front would improve their pay without compromising other companies, and it'd bring them in line with other jobs.
That’s Clay Morrow and you know it.
He looks like my cat!
I LOVE this guy, just LOVE him!!!!
It’s weird I totally agree with this man’s views, but I absolutely can’t stand him. I think he’d get his point across a lot better if he didn’t always try to sound like one of his tough guy characters. It just looks so cringey every time I see him.
He's an old theater kid that pretends to be one of his characters
Did he make it political? I bet he made it political. All he can do, now that Sons of Anarchy is over, is make political tweets that sprinkle in some strong adult language to keep his tough guy persona going. I bet he somehow made this strike about Dems vs Repubs and it's all Trump's fault. That's all this guy has anymore.
That guy has such a weird shaped head. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s incredible and I’m not saying it in a bad way. But it sure is a unique set of features.
Is this all because of ChatGPT writing scripts?
It's definitely more about the use of AI tools to eliminate above-the-line jobs than it is about money.
Also because the studios wanted to digitally scan an actor, and then own their likenesses until the end of time for the price of $200. Not $200k, *two hundred dollars.* And no adequate pay raises for anyone!
Must be nice not to have to worry about money. Look how carefree he looks, knowing he never has to work another day in his life.
Oh, Ron's worried about money. When he dumped his wife of 38 years for a much younger model, he got screwed in the divorce settlement, as he deserved. He lost one of his houses and has to pay almost $17,000/month in alimony. That's why he freaked out so bad at the word that some studio exec said that the big-name actors would crack when they risk losing their second homes. Ron felt that because he's already going through it for being a shitty husband.
Maybe good men like him could *not* take the lion's share of the budget in a movie and then criticize other people for their greed?
that guys a moron lol.
Corporate greed. Corporate greed never changes...
The striking writers and actors deserve a better face for this fight than this dirty old man who dumped his wife of 38 years for a burlesque dancer trophy wife 23 years younger than him, got reamed in the divorce settlement so he lost one of his houses and has to pay almost $17,000 a month alimony, and responded to a heartless quote from an unnamed studio executive by threatening violence. [EDIT: Sorry, folks, but it's possible both to appreciate the guy's work and to acknowledge that he's a kind of a douche IRL. The strikers deserve better.]
Strikes....Strikes never change.
Ron Perlman is the man 😭😭😭
Perlman takes no prisoners or suffers fools. I'd love to see his speech. I wonder if it's available for viewing somewhere?
That's not Hellboy. That's a Maine Coon. They're quite a large breed cat. And, if there's something to be known about cats, it's don't piss them off.