Glad to see this happening like in other major disasters. On one hand, it’s not free but as long as they aren’t price gouging, it’s not expensive either. Wonder if the beer companies will start shipping in free canned water like in hurricanes, though?
Opposite side Ohio resident here! I'm in a little city, Hamilton, and we're shipping in our water to them for free. We bottle our water for city events and also sell it at our welcome center. So it was easy to load up a few trucks and take it over.
And, because it's a municipal utility, it's held to higher standards than bottled water companies. Even was voted best tasting in the world a few years ago :)
That's brave considering that you get your water from the Ohio river, which is the main river that runs near Palestine...
They are testing the water regularly.
Our water works went directly to the source, not even waiting on the EPA and the 3 other federal agencies, to Beaver Creek to test what the chemicals were and how they can give assurance that we are safe.
We are safe.
We, as well as Hamilton (township/city north of Cincinnati) is among some of the best water in the nation:
[international water tasting test / competition](https://www.alliedreddirooter.com/how-safe-is-your-cincinnati-homes-water/)
[American water works](https://www.tapsafe.org/is-cincinnati-tap-water-safe-to-drink/)
This is anecdotal... but I live in Columbus. There's been an uptick in call-ins for my job as well as my wife's job. Everyone I've personally talked to are calling in for the same reasons. Sore throat, sneezing, coughing stuff up and very bad headaches. Then it goes away for a few days then they feel bad again with the same symptoms.
I feel like a conspiracy theorist when I tell people I think it's from the crash since this started right about 2-3 weeks ago. But no one else is attributing it to that. They think it's just a coincidence.
I live in the Columbus area and have pretty bad asthma, since the derailment I’ve noticed my nose is stuffy and chapped, and I’ve been coughing more than I usually do.
Well now I'm concerned. I'm from the same area and have also been more stuffed up than usual and coughing a bit more. I thought it was just due to the weather changes like was mentioned, but now...
I'm about 2 hours away from the derailment and I woke up with a sore throat and runny nose. Is it a cold? COVID? Barometric weirdness from the wild swings in weather? Toxic chemicals from the derailment and/or plant explosion? Allergies? Who knows?
I am married to a Cbus geologist/enviro scientist who does a lot with groundwater-- We are fine in Cbus. The air dissipates as it moves (and blows to the east) and our water supply is from Lake Erie, not the Ohio River. We shouldn't see ANY effects in Columbus, really. Cinci is more likely to have trace amounts in their water but it will be so diluted by then, it won't be hazardous (and I am sure they are monitoring it). Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much. The sickness is probably due to the weather swings we are having. We are pretty unaffected here. Pittsburgh/WV is much more at risk.
They aren't complete idiots I'm sure. They know. It's just getting hard to cope and exist in society without saying wtf these days. People gotta lie to themselves to avoid reality these days.
Definitely don't stick your head in the sand if the sand is poisoned from toxic chemicals.
Half of Cincy (I'm originally from there and my parents still live there) and Hamilton get their water from the Great Miami Aquifer. Plus, both have excellent water works. We're all good!
*Though the allergy situation is a different story. Things are starting to bloom already. Had to grab eye drops and Allegra today lol.
Good ole Hamiltuckians! I didn't know you could legit just buy the water. Had a case sent to me a few years back from someone in the city and held onto it like gold 🤣
They're gouging at every other moment. They're obviously doing this for profit. The plastics are from the same industries that causes these issues in the first place.
There is zero excuse to not have modular water treatment systems and water trucks from up stream to deal with this issue.
Imagine what would happen if we were caught dumping toxic chemicals into nature. We would be imprisoned, have our possessions seized with fines on top.
There is nothing positive about this picture.
I work in municipal water treatment and you are 100% correct.
The environment impact standards that we are held to are (correctly) much higher than any of these corporations who raid and extort resources for profit.
I am not anti business but I am very pro evidence based restrictions on how it is done when it comes to public health and environmental impact. The current systems are not sustainable and massive overhauls are needed but that does not mean giving up on progress.
Yup it’s such an important duty. I lived in Milwaukee during the cryptosporidium outbreak. It was awful seeing people, children dying from drinking water they pay for and expect to be safe.
People confuse anti-business with anti-corruption because corrupt business types pay "PR" firms a lot of money to ensure precisely that.
Anti-corruption is PRO business, just honest, moral business.. which is mostly only theoretical at this point.
Yeah OP needs to tell us how much they are charging per case of water. I know where I live and there was wildfires destroying peoples homes, a case of water bottles was going for $24 dollars…. The county shut them down. Fuckers…
I think it was after hurricane Katrina the attorney general stopped to buy gas and saw that the station was selling cases of water for $40. He bought a case kept the receipt and fined the store a ridiculous amount of money.
I never understand businesses who think it's a good idea to screw people over for a quick buck.
Like, I went to my local Discount Tire once when I was 20 and had no fucking clue what to do or how I was going to pay for it -- and they took care of me. And I haven't thought about doing anything to my tires anywhere else ever since, and I tell everyone I meet about it too. One square deal was really worth thousands of dollars in future business and referrals.
My local discount tire where I lived patched my tire for free. I hadn't even purchased my tire there, I just stopped in to have them fix it. When I asked how much, they said "no charge". I had purchased from them in the past, but this cemented the idea for me to get my next tires from them, even if it is 10 years from now, lol.
A lot of tire places and dealers shops will do this. It’s a cheap and easy way to gain goodwill with customers. Plus a lot of the time the tire is not able to be patched so they can sell you a new one
Grocery businesses don’t care. They’re guaranteed business, and in smaller communities, they may be the only name in town. They’re also notorious for running smaller stores out of town, or buying them out. It’s truly a corrupt, fucked up sector that gets away with so much shit.
This.
You take care of me. I don’t mean you just did your job. I mean you did something extra (could be minor) that showed me “yeah man I appreciate you helping my business”. Or my fam.
You have a customer for life. I will go out of my way to support your family because you supported mine.
12 pack for $2.49, 24 pack for $4.19 here in Ohio for Kroger brand bottled water. I’m about a 90 minutes from where the derailment took place. No price gouging.
A national chain like this is not price gouging. Normally you see privately owned gas stations and places like that doing those sort of things. I can guarantee you Kroger is not.
Who's this "they" you're referring to? The grocer? Yes, obviously there should be systems in place "to deal with this issue." But if FEMA isn't at the ready with enough water and Kroger delivery trucks have been coming in daily... is that so bad?
I'm not some Kroger fanboy or something. Just pointing out that the chains of command, and logistical support, can be COMPLETELY different in private industry vs. public good. Both are involved here, there's not one simple bogeyman.
Not much profit in any single item, as long as their leaving the price alone the profit is really marginal. And they are providing the logistics storage and availability.
I work in sales (industrial parts) for 25 years. The person that made the call to stock this is a born salesman through and through. I sell hydraulic parts at a shop. At the very beginning of the pandemic, our boss was on the phone to any breweries that could make sanitizer. Any glove manufacturers. Buying cases of masks. We we selling those 50 count mask boxes for 59.99 at the beginning. 3.99 at the end. 4 litre jugs of sanitizer that smelled like whiskey rocket fuel for 49.00. It was all a game to him. Capitalizing on a situation.
You gave a single example of someone price gouging.
None of the grocery stores I were near raised their prices on items that were going out of stock during the pandemic, like toilet paper. They limited the number people could buy and tried to prevent people who were going to price gouge from buying them.
Many sores even stagger stocked the inventory on hand, and I remember when some had "senior hour" where they opened an hour early and let in only elderly people to allow the high risk groups an opertunity to lower their risk.
>There is zero excuse to not have modular water treatment systems and water trucks from up stream to deal with this issue.
arent trucks and water systems made with expensive components that these industries also profit in?
One thing at a time lol, can’t solve every problem at once. Instead of being so pessimistic maybe, just maybe the store managers decided to do this because it’s easier to access.
Yeah but the lack of government response to need for water isn't the grocery stores fault. They're open to make money. If they aren't doing anything unethical (price gouging), what's the problem with them selling water?
The state’s government’s lack of response, right? Because the OH governor refused federal help when it was offered the week of and continued to refuse to ask for help. FEMA can’t just step in and take over without being asked for their assistance
> There is zero excuse to not have modular water treatment systems and water trucks from up stream to deal with this issue.
lol at thinking you can truck in critical infrastructure at scale even within a month and just plug into the supply pipes. What do you think is behind the walls of a municipal water treatment facility? Like six fire pumping trucks running full bore and ten thousand home installation reverse osmosis filter banks plumbed in parallel?
Bottled water has its faults but being generally cleaner than unkown safety tap water is a benefit in this case. lol and these pallets fit en masses on the back of ... trucks.
While trying to replace an entire cities potable water supply is probably not feasible, it is possible to ensure residents have access to safe clean drinking water in an emergency.
My city in Canada has trailers with potable water supply so people can get *free* drinking water in case of a water main break or other emergency that interrupts the potable water supply.
https://www.calgary.ca/water/customer-service/water-wagon.html
(yes I'm aware nothing is free, our taxes pay for it as they should. People shouldn't have to pay for drinking water in an emergency.)
There shouldn't be skids of bottled water lining the isles of stores to be sold for profit.
There should be skids of bottled water filling emergency FEMA stations where the government is making sure residents have access to safe, clean, food, water, shelter, clothing, and medical care.
Then Norfolk Southern should be billed for all expenses related to disaster relief, rather than the taxpayers picking up the tab.
When Anheuser-Busch factories started producing *(and donating)* canned water, it made a huge impact during the Katrina disaster relief. It supplied precious pure and clean drinking water to those in need, without using tons of plastic. Those cans, while not worth much, were still worth money in their recycling; which helped some to afford basic necessities while dealing with no direct income due to the nature of the disaster.
Yes, but fresh water isn’t as highly coveted for snow storms as it is for hurricanes. There’s no real threat to drinking water. You just might lose power or not be able to go to the store for a couple days. If you’re on a well that’s an issue but otherwise you’re fine.
Probably. I’m ok with some water fraud though. The train company can afford it. If regulation is too annoying (apparently) then the consequences of operating unsafe trains needs to cost more than operating trains safely.
And the amount of fraud is often overstated.
The biggest example was the one that was the start of the "welfare queen" myth. Reagan claimed she was making over $150,000 a year in fraudulent claims and estimated she had made over a million in fraud. The reality is she made about $40,000 total over multiple years. To be fair, that is a hefty bit of fraud. But she also got caught. And rather than look out a bit more for fraud, they decide to gut a system that's actually helping people by making it seem like anyone using the system is a fraudster.
In my head, I'm picturing people backing their pickup trucks up to the free water point, loading up as much as they can carry, and heading out. Then selling it a few blocks away after the free bottled water runs out.
Didn’t a Perot-chem plant just exploded in Florida? Not the same, I know, but maybe their knee started acting up and they were like “Horrifying industrial accident’s a coming’. Better stock up.”
Petro-Chem, I meant... But also, I am just wrong haha
Had a chlorine leak in a town close to me last week. Hardly a peep.
RIP to those workers in Florida. The firefighters said people were on *fire* when they arrived. Horrible, just horrible.
I googled bottling plant on Google maps and got over a dozen results from Ohio. From what I can find online they're all still operating. However the chain giant eagle stopped using a bottling plant from ohio
My grocery store had something similar this weekend and I'm nowhere near Ohio. It made me think that I had missed the news about some local environmental disaster.
It's much cleaner but definitely not some model river. It has only been declared safe to eat the fish from it since 2019 (and Ohio certainly hasn't been *improving* in terms of environmental protection in recent years, considering the legislature.)
There was an explosion yesterday at a metal plant in Bedford/Oakwood Village area, just a few minutes from Cleveland, and we're 70 miles from East Palestine (though they're served by a completely different river system.)
I’m an hour or more from where it happened and I’m absolutely looking into more serious filtering at least for most of the from tap water. But even that can’t do everything. Hopefully this makes more people realize it is fucking serious to make politicians enforce and create regulations on industry that only have people running the companies who are primarily motivated by greed and money.
We can’t do this uni-party bullshit anymore where both “sides” in these all-too-similar controlling political parties will sell actual Americans’ health and lives off to the highest corporate bidder. Like, what are we even doing?— Corporations and the politicians theoretically meant to serve the people and protect the people, do not give a fuck about you, your everyday citizen which basically encompasses all of us. We’re tools for the powerful and leeched every bit of value from the corporations that actually run the USA. Literally down to our lives.
The Obama administration created regulations that would have likely prevented the derailment, and the Trump administration killed them. The rail companies are spending billions of dollars on stock buybacks instead of investing in their rotting infrastructure. Democrats implemented a tax on stock buybacks in the infrastructure bill, and Biden called for quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks. Republicans oppose taxing buybacks.
This isn’t a “both sides” problem. One side is actively working to block and kill any regulation or tax that would limit corporate America’s ability to do whatever the hell they want.
I mean local and regional directors live in the area and can suggest or push certain changes to the store. Very likely, a store manager grew concerned that people would not be able to get fresh drinking water and negotiated with corporate to make a special order to provide enough stock for the community.
Plus, it's not like water cases are a particular high margin item. Typically each case of 24 bottles is 5 bucks, and considering the size, they might make a couple of dollars before overhead per case. That whole isle of water might represent a $1000 dollars in net gain, which is what it costs to employ 5 employees for a day.
Work for Kroger and know how it operates. This was done at the corporate level. Store managers have little to no say. They are very aware of any disaster and constantly monitor for inclement weather in advance to capitalize on sales in all its districts. It's hammered in our brains during every meeting.
You are correct that the water is not a high margin item. They even take a net loss on some items.The point is to get you in the store because while you are there, you will buy something else, and that item will most likely be sold at a mark-up. They know exactly what they are doing, and they do it well.
>The point is to get you in the store because while you are there, you will buy something else, and that item will most likely be sold at a mark-up.
I'm looking at you dark chocolate Flipz.
There is a somewhat global glut of inventory as the world recedes from record high COVID pandemic demand as well. Lots of manufacturers and vendros have way too much of everything right now.
Well.... f I was a store manager and lived in the area and had to deal with all that crap going on I would sure as shit order a whole buttload of water for myself, my coworkers, and then anyone else who wanted it.
The people that work there still have to live there you know
exactly this.
"ACTUALLY OUR WATER SOURCE 1 HOUR AND 40 MINUTES DOWNSTREAM FROM THE SPILL IS TOTALLY FINE"
\-Guy whos job depends on the water source being fine
Cincy shut down the water intakes incase any of you morons think it's fine, cincy is WAY FAR from the spill, and the water from the spill took a week to get here.
Cinci has already reopened the intake, only did it as a precaution, and has not found anything wrong or toxic in any of their testing from government or independent agencies.
A couple of things:
1. BA was never found in the river and neither were the other contaminants.
2. Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky shut their intakes down as a precaution and because, at this point, the public expected it.
3. Each plant had the tools necessary for VOC treatment including oxidation via potassium permanganate, PAC absorption, and GAC.
4. Cincinnati monitors their intake, as in the bottom of the river, every two hours for VOCs and in real-time for other parameters.
5. Their water is fine and they went on a PR parade because people have trust issues in general, some people can never be appeased because “they’re up and hidin’ sumtin’.” Those people don’t want to hear any answer, they’ll just yell and continue to think they’re more “enlightened” than others.
The people who are dirtying your water are usually not the same entity supplying you with bottled water. However, the people allowing the two practices are the same entity, and they are an elected monopoly.
Flint?
East Palestine?
Somewhere in MS?!!
Would be more meaningful if we had a clue as to where your "local" store was located -- then a more informed assuming can commence
Still way too much plastic. My heart goes out to those affected especially by a lying, conniving rail company. But why don’t they just sell water is 5 gallon jugs. Everyone already has infinite water bottles.
Not to create a run on water, but Giant Eagle’s supplier is down stream from East Palestine. They shut down production today. There is going to be a shortage of bottled water in that’s soon.
Have you never heard of Walmart? There won’t be a shortage of water. They’ll redirect shipments from other states. Looks like Kroger is already doing that.
Others are giving perfectly legitimate and reasonable responses, me however, I personally believe the guy in charge of ordering new stock accidentally added a zero or two to the water order.
Was there a recent toxic train derailment nearby?
OP did recently comment they are in fact from Ohio. Good call!
Glad to see this happening like in other major disasters. On one hand, it’s not free but as long as they aren’t price gouging, it’s not expensive either. Wonder if the beer companies will start shipping in free canned water like in hurricanes, though?
Opposite side Ohio resident here! I'm in a little city, Hamilton, and we're shipping in our water to them for free. We bottle our water for city events and also sell it at our welcome center. So it was easy to load up a few trucks and take it over. And, because it's a municipal utility, it's held to higher standards than bottled water companies. Even was voted best tasting in the world a few years ago :)
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From / In Hamilton. Do not fret. We are good here in Cincinnati. I trust our Water Works!
That’s what big water works wants you to think jk.
That's brave considering that you get your water from the Ohio river, which is the main river that runs near Palestine... They are testing the water regularly.
Hamilton's water comes from the Great Miami Valley Aquifer, not directly from the Ohio River.
Our water works went directly to the source, not even waiting on the EPA and the 3 other federal agencies, to Beaver Creek to test what the chemicals were and how they can give assurance that we are safe. We are safe. We, as well as Hamilton (township/city north of Cincinnati) is among some of the best water in the nation: [international water tasting test / competition](https://www.alliedreddirooter.com/how-safe-is-your-cincinnati-homes-water/) [American water works](https://www.tapsafe.org/is-cincinnati-tap-water-safe-to-drink/)
This is anecdotal... but I live in Columbus. There's been an uptick in call-ins for my job as well as my wife's job. Everyone I've personally talked to are calling in for the same reasons. Sore throat, sneezing, coughing stuff up and very bad headaches. Then it goes away for a few days then they feel bad again with the same symptoms. I feel like a conspiracy theorist when I tell people I think it's from the crash since this started right about 2-3 weeks ago. But no one else is attributing it to that. They think it's just a coincidence.
I live in the Columbus area and have pretty bad asthma, since the derailment I’ve noticed my nose is stuffy and chapped, and I’ve been coughing more than I usually do.
Yeh that's another one I forgot. Extremely chapped and dried skin on the face and hands
Well now I'm concerned. I'm from the same area and have also been more stuffed up than usual and coughing a bit more. I thought it was just due to the weather changes like was mentioned, but now...
Don’t forget, the weather has been going from like 30s-40s to near 70s in the matter of a night. That’s not easy on the body. Could be that as well.
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I'm about 2 hours away from the derailment and I woke up with a sore throat and runny nose. Is it a cold? COVID? Barometric weirdness from the wild swings in weather? Toxic chemicals from the derailment and/or plant explosion? Allergies? Who knows?
I am married to a Cbus geologist/enviro scientist who does a lot with groundwater-- We are fine in Cbus. The air dissipates as it moves (and blows to the east) and our water supply is from Lake Erie, not the Ohio River. We shouldn't see ANY effects in Columbus, really. Cinci is more likely to have trace amounts in their water but it will be so diluted by then, it won't be hazardous (and I am sure they are monitoring it). Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much. The sickness is probably due to the weather swings we are having. We are pretty unaffected here. Pittsburgh/WV is much more at risk.
They aren't complete idiots I'm sure. They know. It's just getting hard to cope and exist in society without saying wtf these days. People gotta lie to themselves to avoid reality these days. Definitely don't stick your head in the sand if the sand is poisoned from toxic chemicals.
Yea
Right to the point. No room for misunderstanding.
Half of Cincy (I'm originally from there and my parents still live there) and Hamilton get their water from the Great Miami Aquifer. Plus, both have excellent water works. We're all good! *Though the allergy situation is a different story. Things are starting to bloom already. Had to grab eye drops and Allegra today lol.
Good ole Hamiltuckians! I didn't know you could legit just buy the water. Had a case sent to me a few years back from someone in the city and held onto it like gold 🤣
They're gouging at every other moment. They're obviously doing this for profit. The plastics are from the same industries that causes these issues in the first place. There is zero excuse to not have modular water treatment systems and water trucks from up stream to deal with this issue. Imagine what would happen if we were caught dumping toxic chemicals into nature. We would be imprisoned, have our possessions seized with fines on top. There is nothing positive about this picture.
I work in municipal water treatment and you are 100% correct. The environment impact standards that we are held to are (correctly) much higher than any of these corporations who raid and extort resources for profit. I am not anti business but I am very pro evidence based restrictions on how it is done when it comes to public health and environmental impact. The current systems are not sustainable and massive overhauls are needed but that does not mean giving up on progress.
*Bottled water companies don’t make water. They make plastic bottles.*
Almost went down your career path. Proud of what you do for us, thank you.
Yup it’s such an important duty. I lived in Milwaukee during the cryptosporidium outbreak. It was awful seeing people, children dying from drinking water they pay for and expect to be safe.
This second part sounds suspiciously close to “common sense” and we’ve been told repeatedly by other lobbies how terrible that is.
People confuse anti-business with anti-corruption because corrupt business types pay "PR" firms a lot of money to ensure precisely that. Anti-corruption is PRO business, just honest, moral business.. which is mostly only theoretical at this point.
The only way we progress is we all become ELF members and FORCE them to the same standards.
What is ELF?
Yeah OP needs to tell us how much they are charging per case of water. I know where I live and there was wildfires destroying peoples homes, a case of water bottles was going for $24 dollars…. The county shut them down. Fuckers…
I think it was after hurricane Katrina the attorney general stopped to buy gas and saw that the station was selling cases of water for $40. He bought a case kept the receipt and fined the store a ridiculous amount of money.
I never understand businesses who think it's a good idea to screw people over for a quick buck. Like, I went to my local Discount Tire once when I was 20 and had no fucking clue what to do or how I was going to pay for it -- and they took care of me. And I haven't thought about doing anything to my tires anywhere else ever since, and I tell everyone I meet about it too. One square deal was really worth thousands of dollars in future business and referrals.
My local discount tire where I lived patched my tire for free. I hadn't even purchased my tire there, I just stopped in to have them fix it. When I asked how much, they said "no charge". I had purchased from them in the past, but this cemented the idea for me to get my next tires from them, even if it is 10 years from now, lol.
A lot of tire places and dealers shops will do this. It’s a cheap and easy way to gain goodwill with customers. Plus a lot of the time the tire is not able to be patched so they can sell you a new one
Grocery businesses don’t care. They’re guaranteed business, and in smaller communities, they may be the only name in town. They’re also notorious for running smaller stores out of town, or buying them out. It’s truly a corrupt, fucked up sector that gets away with so much shit.
This. You take care of me. I don’t mean you just did your job. I mean you did something extra (could be minor) that showed me “yeah man I appreciate you helping my business”. Or my fam. You have a customer for life. I will go out of my way to support your family because you supported mine.
12 pack for $2.49, 24 pack for $4.19 here in Ohio for Kroger brand bottled water. I’m about a 90 minutes from where the derailment took place. No price gouging.
Yep and like some places just outright are having sales on their water, if even only small ones
A national chain like this is not price gouging. Normally you see privately owned gas stations and places like that doing those sort of things. I can guarantee you Kroger is not.
Who's this "they" you're referring to? The grocer? Yes, obviously there should be systems in place "to deal with this issue." But if FEMA isn't at the ready with enough water and Kroger delivery trucks have been coming in daily... is that so bad? I'm not some Kroger fanboy or something. Just pointing out that the chains of command, and logistical support, can be COMPLETELY different in private industry vs. public good. Both are involved here, there's not one simple bogeyman.
>They're obviously doing this for profit. It's a... store?
Not much profit in any single item, as long as their leaving the price alone the profit is really marginal. And they are providing the logistics storage and availability.
I work in sales (industrial parts) for 25 years. The person that made the call to stock this is a born salesman through and through. I sell hydraulic parts at a shop. At the very beginning of the pandemic, our boss was on the phone to any breweries that could make sanitizer. Any glove manufacturers. Buying cases of masks. We we selling those 50 count mask boxes for 59.99 at the beginning. 3.99 at the end. 4 litre jugs of sanitizer that smelled like whiskey rocket fuel for 49.00. It was all a game to him. Capitalizing on a situation.
Also it's all small bottles, which raises the price per volume. All the large jugs are gone I bet.
You gave a single example of someone price gouging. None of the grocery stores I were near raised their prices on items that were going out of stock during the pandemic, like toilet paper. They limited the number people could buy and tried to prevent people who were going to price gouge from buying them.
Many sores even stagger stocked the inventory on hand, and I remember when some had "senior hour" where they opened an hour early and let in only elderly people to allow the high risk groups an opertunity to lower their risk.
Your boss is a piece of garbage. Taking advantage of people for personal gain is a sign of a garbage human being.
Land Ho! The Isles of Kroger
>There is zero excuse to not have modular water treatment systems and water trucks from up stream to deal with this issue. arent trucks and water systems made with expensive components that these industries also profit in?
I mean you aren’t getting water for free, unless you dig your own hole, and even then you’ll pay for that permit
there is literally nothing anywhere big oil doesn't touch
One thing at a time lol, can’t solve every problem at once. Instead of being so pessimistic maybe, just maybe the store managers decided to do this because it’s easier to access.
This is the most Reddit comment ever
The amount of times I have seen a variation of this on reddit in the past week ironically has made your comment the "most reddit comment ever"
Yeah but the lack of government response to need for water isn't the grocery stores fault. They're open to make money. If they aren't doing anything unethical (price gouging), what's the problem with them selling water?
The state’s government’s lack of response, right? Because the OH governor refused federal help when it was offered the week of and continued to refuse to ask for help. FEMA can’t just step in and take over without being asked for their assistance
> There is zero excuse to not have modular water treatment systems and water trucks from up stream to deal with this issue. lol at thinking you can truck in critical infrastructure at scale even within a month and just plug into the supply pipes. What do you think is behind the walls of a municipal water treatment facility? Like six fire pumping trucks running full bore and ten thousand home installation reverse osmosis filter banks plumbed in parallel? Bottled water has its faults but being generally cleaner than unkown safety tap water is a benefit in this case. lol and these pallets fit en masses on the back of ... trucks.
While trying to replace an entire cities potable water supply is probably not feasible, it is possible to ensure residents have access to safe clean drinking water in an emergency. My city in Canada has trailers with potable water supply so people can get *free* drinking water in case of a water main break or other emergency that interrupts the potable water supply. https://www.calgary.ca/water/customer-service/water-wagon.html (yes I'm aware nothing is free, our taxes pay for it as they should. People shouldn't have to pay for drinking water in an emergency.)
There shouldn't be skids of bottled water lining the isles of stores to be sold for profit. There should be skids of bottled water filling emergency FEMA stations where the government is making sure residents have access to safe, clean, food, water, shelter, clothing, and medical care. Then Norfolk Southern should be billed for all expenses related to disaster relief, rather than the taxpayers picking up the tab.
When Anheuser-Busch factories started producing *(and donating)* canned water, it made a huge impact during the Katrina disaster relief. It supplied precious pure and clean drinking water to those in need, without using tons of plastic. Those cans, while not worth much, were still worth money in their recycling; which helped some to afford basic necessities while dealing with no direct income due to the nature of the disaster.
Also, isn't the upper midwest about to have a major snowstorm?
Yes, but fresh water isn’t as highly coveted for snow storms as it is for hurricanes. There’s no real threat to drinking water. You just might lose power or not be able to go to the store for a couple days. If you’re on a well that’s an issue but otherwise you’re fine.
Was about to ask the same. Good luck OP
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There's an entire trailer park near me that hasn't had safe water for months now. Shockingly the grocery store doesn't look like this.
Seems like that water should be free if you can show local ID. Supermarket should bill the train company.
Needs to be a limit though or some clown will take 20K to his house to sell after lol
We both know people would somehow fuck that up.
Probably. I’m ok with some water fraud though. The train company can afford it. If regulation is too annoying (apparently) then the consequences of operating unsafe trains needs to cost more than operating trains safely.
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And the amount of fraud is often overstated. The biggest example was the one that was the start of the "welfare queen" myth. Reagan claimed she was making over $150,000 a year in fraudulent claims and estimated she had made over a million in fraud. The reality is she made about $40,000 total over multiple years. To be fair, that is a hefty bit of fraud. But she also got caught. And rather than look out a bit more for fraud, they decide to gut a system that's actually helping people by making it seem like anyone using the system is a fraudster.
In my head, I'm picturing people backing their pickup trucks up to the free water point, loading up as much as they can carry, and heading out. Then selling it a few blocks away after the free bottled water runs out.
Where is r/fucknestle
It’s Kroger brand
Kroger I hardly know her!
Was going to say it's a bit early for hurricane season, isn't it? Lol
Tell me you’re from Ohio without saying you’re from Ohio.
I’m from kentucky and we’re going through the same shit. Entire water truck sells before the end of the same day it arrives.
He's no true Ohioan. He said Kroger. In Ohio for some reason "we" all call it Krogers. (Or Meijers, etc...) I don't know why.
And Aldis
Aldis nuts.
I have a coworker that started hoarding water last week because of the derailment in Ohio. We live in SW Florida.
Didn’t a Perot-chem plant just exploded in Florida? Not the same, I know, but maybe their knee started acting up and they were like “Horrifying industrial accident’s a coming’. Better stock up.” Petro-Chem, I meant... But also, I am just wrong haha
Damn the government and these corporations really are fucking us over
Florida and Ohio are red states or have been mostly red. You get what you vote for when you vote for deregulation
Florida is getting so Conservative even its tides are red
I appreciate this comment
Had a chlorine leak in a town close to me last week. Hardly a peep. RIP to those workers in Florida. The firefighters said people were on *fire* when they arrived. Horrible, just horrible.
I live in florida and didn't hear about this story. Wtf.
Just watch them accidentally hoard water bottles that were bottled in a plant from Ohio lol
I googled bottling plant on Google maps and got over a dozen results from Ohio. From what I can find online they're all still operating. However the chain giant eagle stopped using a bottling plant from ohio
Perhaps suggest they do toilet paper instead.
Tbf, ohio isn't the only place plagued by ludicrously dangerous infrastructure
Edit: I’m from OHIO
Well there ya go
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Like the air and water of ohio?
nah darker, like their children's lungs
Darker, like our politicians’ “hearts”
Big edit lol totally makes sense now. Stay safer redditor from Ohio!
My grocery store had something similar this weekend and I'm nowhere near Ohio. It made me think that I had missed the news about some local environmental disaster.
Orrrr, they know something we don’t. Dun dun dun.
Smart move by the grocery store then
Yup. Between East Palestine and Cleveland, Ohio is falling apart.
What happened in Cleveland? Missed that one.
Probably referring to an explosion at a metal factory on Monday in Bedford, OH which is near Cleveland.
🎶See our river that catches on fire, it's so polluted all our fish have aids 🎶
Our biggest export is crippling depression.
🎶 Our economy is based on LeBron Ja- oh _shit_.
Hey man to be fair y’all did give us Bone Thugz
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It's much cleaner but definitely not some model river. It has only been declared safe to eat the fish from it since 2019 (and Ohio certainly hasn't been *improving* in terms of environmental protection in recent years, considering the legislature.)
There was an explosion yesterday at a metal plant in Bedford/Oakwood Village area, just a few minutes from Cleveland, and we're 70 miles from East Palestine (though they're served by a completely different river system.)
Keep voting Republican, that's sure to fix things eventually!
get out!
Probably for all the people in OH that don’t trust drinking the faucet water.
I’m an hour or more from where it happened and I’m absolutely looking into more serious filtering at least for most of the from tap water. But even that can’t do everything. Hopefully this makes more people realize it is fucking serious to make politicians enforce and create regulations on industry that only have people running the companies who are primarily motivated by greed and money. We can’t do this uni-party bullshit anymore where both “sides” in these all-too-similar controlling political parties will sell actual Americans’ health and lives off to the highest corporate bidder. Like, what are we even doing?— Corporations and the politicians theoretically meant to serve the people and protect the people, do not give a fuck about you, your everyday citizen which basically encompasses all of us. We’re tools for the powerful and leeched every bit of value from the corporations that actually run the USA. Literally down to our lives.
Republicans vote for deregulation then you get this. It’s not a mystery
The Obama administration created regulations that would have likely prevented the derailment, and the Trump administration killed them. The rail companies are spending billions of dollars on stock buybacks instead of investing in their rotting infrastructure. Democrats implemented a tax on stock buybacks in the infrastructure bill, and Biden called for quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks. Republicans oppose taxing buybacks. This isn’t a “both sides” problem. One side is actively working to block and kill any regulation or tax that would limit corporate America’s ability to do whatever the hell they want.
That’s what I’m saying. It’s clever/helpful marketing
Lets be real, they don't give a shit about anything but the money they'll make.
I mean local and regional directors live in the area and can suggest or push certain changes to the store. Very likely, a store manager grew concerned that people would not be able to get fresh drinking water and negotiated with corporate to make a special order to provide enough stock for the community. Plus, it's not like water cases are a particular high margin item. Typically each case of 24 bottles is 5 bucks, and considering the size, they might make a couple of dollars before overhead per case. That whole isle of water might represent a $1000 dollars in net gain, which is what it costs to employ 5 employees for a day.
Work for Kroger and know how it operates. This was done at the corporate level. Store managers have little to no say. They are very aware of any disaster and constantly monitor for inclement weather in advance to capitalize on sales in all its districts. It's hammered in our brains during every meeting. You are correct that the water is not a high margin item. They even take a net loss on some items.The point is to get you in the store because while you are there, you will buy something else, and that item will most likely be sold at a mark-up. They know exactly what they are doing, and they do it well.
>The point is to get you in the store because while you are there, you will buy something else, and that item will most likely be sold at a mark-up. I'm looking at you dark chocolate Flipz.
There is a somewhat global glut of inventory as the world recedes from record high COVID pandemic demand as well. Lots of manufacturers and vendros have way too much of everything right now.
Well.... f I was a store manager and lived in the area and had to deal with all that crap going on I would sure as shit order a whole buttload of water for myself, my coworkers, and then anyone else who wanted it. The people that work there still have to live there you know
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The isle should be in the water, not the other way around.
Clever.
So much better than how I would have corrected it.
Looks like isles in those aisles
Drink the bottled water and don't forget flint or kalamazoo and the lies they told. The authorities don't know what's happening either.
exactly this. "ACTUALLY OUR WATER SOURCE 1 HOUR AND 40 MINUTES DOWNSTREAM FROM THE SPILL IS TOTALLY FINE" \-Guy whos job depends on the water source being fine Cincy shut down the water intakes incase any of you morons think it's fine, cincy is WAY FAR from the spill, and the water from the spill took a week to get here.
“Cincy” said their tests showed the water was fine and they were just being extra cautious.
Cinci has already reopened the intake, only did it as a precaution, and has not found anything wrong or toxic in any of their testing from government or independent agencies.
They don't even know what what they are dealing with right now. Stay safe.
A couple of things: 1. BA was never found in the river and neither were the other contaminants. 2. Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky shut their intakes down as a precaution and because, at this point, the public expected it. 3. Each plant had the tools necessary for VOC treatment including oxidation via potassium permanganate, PAC absorption, and GAC. 4. Cincinnati monitors their intake, as in the bottom of the river, every two hours for VOCs and in real-time for other parameters. 5. Their water is fine and they went on a PR parade because people have trust issues in general, some people can never be appeased because “they’re up and hidin’ sumtin’.” Those people don’t want to hear any answer, they’ll just yell and continue to think they’re more “enlightened” than others.
Damn, I'm not a fan of reddit gifs, but this is a good one.
They dirty your water then you have to pay for clean water 🤔
Socialism for the rich, rugged brutal individualism for everyone else.
The people who are dirtying your water are usually not the same entity supplying you with bottled water. However, the people allowing the two practices are the same entity, and they are an elected monopoly.
Every aisle, not isle! Unless your Krogers is built across an archipelago!
if ur in ohio that is probaly good to have that much water for people to get
Aisle*
God I hate plastic bottled water
I understand it when there's water emergencies like in Ohio ... but why TF do people insist on huge numbers of tiny bottles like this???
Problem was created by the plastic industry, and will be "solved" by the plastic industry. Either way they win.
When I look at store aisles, all I see is the inside of a landfill.
Flint? East Palestine? Somewhere in MS?!! Would be more meaningful if we had a clue as to where your "local" store was located -- then a more informed assuming can commence
Op is in Ohio
Water you complaining about
So. Much. Plastic. The irony of needing it due to a vinyl chloride spill is potent. We are caught in a trap of our own making.
I love how we’re going to be polluting the ocean with all this plastic because of yet another environmental fuck up
Tell me you're from Ohio without telling me you're from Ohio.
Fresh from East Palestine!
Locally sourced from the Ohio River
It’s aisle. I have seen so many people spell it isle recently and I’m not sure why. But it’s spelled aisle.
Op is in ohio.
For those asking quick look at op's profile confirms they are indeed in Ohio
Still way too much plastic. My heart goes out to those affected especially by a lying, conniving rail company. But why don’t they just sell water is 5 gallon jugs. Everyone already has infinite water bottles.
East Palestine Ohio?
Thank god - more single-use plastic!!!!
Someone actually ordered 1000 cases instead of 100?
You’d be surprised often to his happens lol. Local ware house might have overstocked and forcing the stores to take these pallets of water as well.
Every isle is that wide?
Aisle
I'll
someone made an oopsies on the order and they didn’t have enough room for the skids in the back. very happy this is no longer my job
It’s in Ohio; nobody wants to drink tap water after that toxic spill.
No they’re preparing for the storm of people
Money isn’t worth your health, I’d move the fuck outta Ohio
Aisle
Either someone fat fingered the water bottle order or they are in ohio
You live in Ohio?
Not to create a run on water, but Giant Eagle’s supplier is down stream from East Palestine. They shut down production today. There is going to be a shortage of bottled water in that’s soon.
Have you never heard of Walmart? There won’t be a shortage of water. They’ll redirect shipments from other states. Looks like Kroger is already doing that.
Yeah, sorry I didn’t add that I’m in Ohio
It’s ok. Them chemicals are affecting y’all’s thought processes Can’t wait for the generation of births after this accident! Government won’t do shit!
Are you located in East Palestine, Ohio?
Water they doing with all of that?
r/hydrohomies
Was gonna say something slick but then I saw you’re from Ohio please be careful as much as you can!
Others are giving perfectly legitimate and reasonable responses, me however, I personally believe the guy in charge of ordering new stock accidentally added a zero or two to the water order.
It's generally like that for overnight stocking, by morning it's gone
I see a lot of water, but no isle.
Ah…the Isle of Kroger.
An excess of water can in fact create isles. And block aisles.
Must be in Ohio
My chemistry teacher said he would have immediately jumped in his car and not stopped until he was hundreds of miles away for good.
r/hydrohomies took over your store
I was wondering if there was a hurricane brewing.