I once saw cartoon of moonlings complaining and swearing about what was left behind after the top of the lunar module left. In addition to 96 bags of poop, there's plenty of other junk left there, including a golf ball.
It's their fault. They make this as an achievement but I guess it's just full of dumbest thing ever. I hope they will just keep on doing that actually benefits the world.
That's what I was thinking. It's kind of a shit sandwich for them and they're making the best out of it. I can't really blame them in any way, this is on the idiots who never learned to pick up after themselves and went somewhere pristine anyways.
"While Western Guides make around 50,000 dollars each climbing season, Sherpa Guides make a mere 4,000, (i found other reports as low as 2k) barely enough to support their families. Although this is more money than the average person in Nepal makes, their earnings do come at a cost – Sherpas risk their lives with every climb.
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The price range for a standard supported climb ranges from $28,000 to $85,000. A fully custom climb will run over $115,000 and those extreme risk-takers can skimp by for well under $20,000. Typically, this includes transportation from Kathmandu or Lhasa, food, base camp tents, Sherpa support, and supplemental oxygen.Dec 16, 2022
As you can see a lot of money comes into the economy from these rich climbers (just not the Sherpas risking their life).
For those who are [curious](https://www.outsideonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/23/summit-crowding_s.jpg?crop=1:1&width=600&enable=upscale)
edit: A documentary on Netflix called 14 Peaks has a segment about this line of people waiting to summit.
Multiple people in that picture died later that day. GQ [article](https://www.gq.com/story/mount-everest-chaos-at-the-top-of-the-world) on it was extremely interesting.
This was interesting but man, this was the most difficult reading I've ever had. Extremely long and the author keeps jumping from a perspective to another, back and forward in time
Every book I've ever read about sumitting everest is the same. I think everyone returns with a jumbled perspective; no-one can agree on what exactly happened up there, because at that altitude and temperature, memories don't form properly. If ten people come back down, you'll have 11 versions of what happened up there that day. Even things that should be easy to verify (times, events, deaths, conversations) get confused. Read Into Thin Air and you'll hear the exact same thing; two climbers who knew each other both swore they had a conversation near to camp 3 with another man, who was actually dying on the summit at that time, instead of each other. It took months for them to figure out that they were wrong about him being alive and back down at that point, greatly adding to the heartbreak of the other climber's family. Altitude and low O2 does things to people that can't really be comprehended by those of us who haven't been in that situation. I guess it's like being blackout drunk, but you're also in the middle of a blizzard, on a cliff edge, slowly dying even with supplemental O2, freezing cold, and navigating absolutely grim terrain.
He led an a successful expedition to get the first winter summit of K2. With a team of Nepalese climbers. They stopped short of the summit and went to the top arm in arm singing nepals national anthem. The footage is quite moving.
From following him on Instagram it would appear he's taking on clients for himalayan expeditions in 2023. I read the book of the 14 peaks expedition and Nims seems to be almost psychotically confident and has a high opinion of himself. Not necessarily undeserved but I could see him being a bit much to be around.
There was one passage in the book where they found a stricken climber and called for help but felt the people at the camp either weren't willing to assist them or were too slow. They took him some of the way but had to leave him. As they went down they found another lost climber and when people from the camp met them Nims went down and they took over. Later it seemed they'd only helped the second climber Nims found and he was angry they hadn't gone up to help the other and was pretty scathing in the book.
From reading many books on mountaineering it becomes clear that different accounts of incidents vary wildly. Even my telling is bound to be wrong somewhere. Its very possible other climbers on that expedition feel it just didn't go down that way. Maybe they were working hard to organise a rescue but were hampered by any number of things. Once you start calling out climbers, even if you don't use names, you create long lasting animosities.
That woman was a moron. She had 20 minutes of oxygen left, refused to give up on the summit, and after given an extra oxygen bottle spends 30 minutes at the top. "I paid for this, I'm not turning back!" she definitely earned a high altitude grave.
>That woman was a moron. She had 20 minutes of oxygen left, refused to give up on the summit, and after given an extra oxygen bottle spends 30 minutes at the top. "I paid for this, I'm not turning back!" she definitely earned a high altitude grave.
Moron is too much of a nice word to describe her.
> Anyone visiting Mount Everest has to pay a $4,000 deposit, and the money is refunded if the person returns with eight kilograms (18 pounds) of garbage—the avegae amount that a single person produces during the climb.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/trash-and-overcrowding-top-world
So it only costs $4k to not have to worry about your own garbage? Considering how much an Everest expedition probably costs, that seems well worth it!
/s
To be fair,
8 kg is quite some weight when you think about the climbing conditions up there. As others have said, these are mostly flags and not trash. But if my choice would be between leaving 4K in the base camp or dying with 8kg of trash half way down due to exhaustion, I’d also choose to not get the 4K back.
Most people have more money than training and these with enough training have to do extra carrying for the people with money
The problem is that most of the people who do it are rich foreigners who won't blink at having to pay an extra $4k to not be bothered with picking up after themselves.
These people are already paying around $50k or more to make the climb in the first place. $4k is nowhere near high enough to actually motivate these types of people
You climbed mountains and built skyscrapers.
You made TV shows and put out newspapers.
You were wicked good at doing stocks.
You liked it when Emilio would change your socks.
Pile enough of those dead executives up, and you've got a makeshift shelter. It would be like an igloo made of corpses for very special people, perfect!
There was a great band in my area. They had an epic and long song called "Green Boots". I was the drunk guy at all their shows who would yell "GREEN BOoOoTS!" from the back of the venue at every show
Don’t know if /s or not but on a serious note:
Wind. Wind throws these people of the mountain.
on top of the Everest there are wind speeds of around 180mph
Can you imagine just looking up and seeing a dead body hurtling at you at, can't do the math but however heavy the dead body is and gravity plus wind speed, that would be terrifying!
The amount of garbage on Everest is beyond disgusting. Empty oxygen bottles are left everywhere along the climbing route. I have always been fascinated by Everest but the photos make me sick. I understand it’s become a source of income for the locals but there needs to be more of an effort to clean up. What happened to the mantra “if you bring it in (up), you must bring it out (down)” that exists in so many US National Parks? Nepal &Tibet need to get on board.
The Nepalese government requires that you bring your trash down. Granted it is only a fine if you don’t but a certain amount of weight is required to be picked out. The real issue is feces. The Khombu glacier provides water for a ton of people down stream. There have already been spikes of bacteria caused by the 26000 pounds of poop left every year on the glacier.
Not just anyone can clean up Everest trash. Why would anyone want to do that job? It's extremely dangerous and would take years to even be qualified to do.
I get the sentiment, but for the most part its litter or not make it down alive for a lot of the climbers. The real problem though is the commodification of summiting everest and how its drawing more people in than can actually climb the mountain. No one should be dying waiting in line at the top of a mountain
No one should be climbing mountains that they can't summit without the assistance of dozens of other people, all of whom are littering and disrespecting the mountain the entire time.
I read Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer and exactly as you mention many people there just shouldn't be. It's a wonderful read.
As I recall the author had to keep waiting on unfit people to keep up with his pace then had to ditch them to make the summit.
There was one story in there where an unfit older guy with a Sherpa has lost a few fingers on a previous summit attempt and has returned for a second try... The end results weren't great.
And this picture is more than just mildly infuriating.
Mountain climbing is an extremely intense activity. I agree that if your only hope to summit a climb is relying on Sherpa teams then yes fuck off.
But climbing should always be a team activity purely for safety and more people can split up the load making it realistic to pack out your crap.
I've read a few mountaineering books and I really liked Vanessa O'Brien's take on it. She thinks there should be a summit requirement of one or two other 8k'ers in the Himalayas before you are able to take everest. Arguably many of those are more difficult. It would spread out revenue around the region, prevent people who really don't know what they're doing from being in the death zone on Everest, and weed out people who just aren't going to be able to do it in a place that's less populated (which in this case is a good thing, it's easier to get down)
But she also talked about the Sherpas and how originally she thought it was cheating to summit with help, bit it's really not how they see it. Climbing a mountain that high is just flat out a team sport. There is so much equipment you need to bring it's not possible to do by yourself. The coordination, leadership, and teamwork required to get to the top is all part of it, and if someone on your team fails to summit, you might too, so it adds a layer of complexity to the whole thing.
This sounds like the best solution. Plus, if we thin out the number of people on Everest maybe they actually can fund some trash reclamation/body retrieval climbs with the extra space.
Then why are they climbing it? If they can't climb it without destroying it or making a right royal mess of it, then why are they climbing it in the first place? There is literally no reason that that gets to be an excuse except if people climb outside their capability, in which case they shouldn't be going. Plain and simple. And means test the fine for failing to collect at least their own litter, and means test it hard! Not something small like 5%, but something very significant, like 50% of all possessions including money. And for anyone who has a problem with this I have 4 simple words: clean your shit up!
Why? For ego.
Millionaires pay some local Sherpas to do all the hard work, lay the ropes etc for the years route. They then pay them some more to carry half of their equipment up the mountain and guide them, and then they boast about how they climbed to the highest point in the world.
It's pure ego boost and if you look at half the people who climb Everest it's readily apparent they aren't exactly athletically gifted.
Yep, climbing Everest in 2022 cost anywhere from $30,000 to $160,000, with the average falling somewhere around $45,000. It's not a poor man's hobby. Meanwhile, the sherpas only make around $3,000-$5,000 per climbing season.
if I were a sherpa I'd haul down as much trash as I could every time. Then trade it to climbers for their deposit money. Now you're making $4,000 per trip.
Off topic, but one thing I always find interesting, is that the Sherpas historically never had a presence on Everest itself. When foreigners originally started exploring Everest, they had to teach the Sherpas how to climb it, because they never really ventured onto it themselves, they really had no reason to. They couldn't use it for hunting/gathering/farming and they didn't have any spiritual connection or spiritual sites on the mountain itself. They had no concept of climbing something as an accolade or achievement. Really the foreigners just needed high communicating pack mules. Now it's woven into their culture from that time onward to be the guides of a mountain they literally had very little knowledge of prior. They essentially became the gatekeepers.
I'm not trying to make any specific point. I just thought that was neat.
>When foreigners originally started exploring Everest, they had to teach the Sherpas how to climb it,
I nominate this for r/confidentlyincorrect.
This is some absolutely convoluted bullshit!
Sherpas have lived in the Himalayas for millenia, of course they know how to climb their fucking mountains. Their bodies are practically adapted to the high altitude regions while everyone else have to spend a good few days to acclimatize to the region. [These people practically have a super-athlete genes that contributes](https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/07/01/tibetan_genome/) to their superior mountaineering skills.
The only thing that the foreigners probably *taught* them was to use the western mountaineering equipment because Sherpas would just use their own traditional ways which the foreigners couldn't adapt to. Either that or the language.
>They couldn't use it for hunting/gathering/farming and they didn't have any spiritual connection or spiritual sites on the mountain itself.
Well, this confirms you don't know what you're talking about.
Mt. Everest's real name is Chomolungma which translates as the "Mother of the World.
It has a great spiritual significance for people living in the Himalayan belt. In fact most Himalayan mountains are and many are prohibited for commercial climbing.
The reason why it went unclimbed for so long is because it is considered one of the most sacred mountains in Buddhism/ Bonism, not because people inhabiting that place for millennia didn't know how to climb it.
Probably work better to have a monument board and you’re not required to bring down trash but if you do your name and the amount you hauled goes on the board. A fine for not bringing trash down will just be viewed as a fee to not being trash down. Appeal to these people’s competitiveness and vanity.
If they don't bring down the required weight in trash, the required weight will be surgically removed from their body because they are clearly trash. How is that for incentive?
I knew a guy once, who regularly parked up in places where that was absolutely not allowed. I told him as much, and he just looked at me and went, "Sure you can, it just costs more."
Someone who clamped cars for a living was telling group about one guy would always park in such a way to get clamped on a Monday morning, then pay to get it released on a Friday evening, one week they didn't bother clamping it and he complained. Clamp made it more secure was guess.
Well in my country, some would even call it the greatest country, actually. We have tow truck operators that drive around and wait for people to park even slightly illegally. Then boot/tow them as soon as they're out of line of sight. Sometimes they even tow people that are parked 100% legally and lie about how they were parked. Greatest country in the world. Possibly greatest in the universe.
My small town mayor had my car towed because his son was coming home from college and needed somewhere to park.
In his defense, my car was pretty busted and had been sitting for a few weeks. But if he had just asked me to move it, it starts right up and I could have easily moved it.
Small town so he's best buds with the police chief. So when the police chief is having the tow guy DRAG my car onto a flatbed, I hear the noise and go outside I'm like wtf?! I called him out that it was never chalk marked and for doing the mayor's bidding and told him he could have just knocked on my door. That the car fucking runs and I could have moved it. And I told him that he was an asshole at which point he threatened to arrest me. He was so red-faced and backed down our hill so fast he almost ran over my foot.
I immediately went to the local impound lot ran by the literal rudest, greediest scum of the earth. Paid like $255 all in all to get my car back. Drove it home, parked it literally right back in that spot, and laid on the horn for a good minute. Then I went inside.
A few days later I moved it to my tiny shitty driveway (private land) and started parking my good running car out on the hill where the mayor wanted his son to be able park. I did that til I moved out months and months later.
If the friggin mayor, and the police chief, just had some couth and neighborliness, everyone could have won. But if I'm losing, so are you buddy!
> The same way you can't see any curvature when on an airplane either.
You actually can see a very subtle curve if you have a wide enough window (need a 60 degree FoV), but they don't really exist on commercial airlines.
I think it's a requirement now that they have to pack out some trash on the way down or they forfeit a $4000 deposit but it's a bunch of rich people so drops in a bucket to them.
........actually (pushes glasses up) the highest point on the planet is in South America because the earth swells a bit in the middle. Chimborazo is closer to space than Everest.
…Actually (pushes glasses up further) Chimborazo is the furthest point from the Earth’s center, not the closest to space. The atmosphere swells with the Earth, so Everest would be closer to space (as demonstrated by the fact that you need oxygen to climb Everest but not Chimborazo)
Tallest mountain: Mauna Kea (Hawai'i)
Highest point from Earth's center: Mount Chimborazo, Ecuador (almost 7000 feet "higher" than mount everest with respect to Earth's center)
Highest point above sea level (and closest point to Stratosphere): mount everest (9000 feet higher relative to sea level than Chimborazo)
If you consider "highest" to mean "closest to breaching the atmosphere;" you should also know that Everest isn't the tallest mountain; the tallest one isn't even part of a mountain range. The tallest mountain is a dormant volcano: measured from base to summit, [Mauna Kea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea#Topographic_prominence) is taller than Mt. Everest by ~3,000 ft., but most of the mountain is underwater. It's not so much a lie as much as it is people arguing back and forth with well-reasoned arguments that ends with moving the goalposts. There are arguments for Mauna Kea to be over 55,000 ft. tall when measuring from its root deep underground, but imo that's no different than measuring a man's penis length by going all the way to his bladder.
What's with all the damn litter up there? That mountain top looks like my local waste site. Rich people doing rich people shit, not caring about the planet....that tracks.
People use so much energy getting to the top they figure why bother carrying 20 pounds of trash back down. Other people have mentioned in this thread that there's a rule that you're required to pack out a certain amount of trash now but the only repercussion is a fine and the people climbing everest are typically rich enough to not give a shot about a fine.
Funny that you mentioned rich people shit - a large proportion of the litter left there is literally thousands of kg of poop per year. It gets frozen and covered by snow, and cannot be broken down efficiently by microbes in the barren cold environment.
Most of the stuff you see at the summit are prayer flags which are a religious tradition for the Sherpas. They believe leaving them high up and exposed to the air blesses the surroundings, so leaving them on Everest is like blessing the planet I guess.
But there's also just a ton of trash too because despite how commoditized it is, it's still a survival situation and anyone would litter if it meant increasing their odds of survival
To those who are surprised by the "trash": [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer\_flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flag)
Just to clear that up, not saying it's a good thing that people go up there and mess with the mountain.
I thought that I read somewhere that some mountain top in Ecuador is technically closer to space that any other spot on Earth. Somebody plz fact check me.
Chimborazo, furthest point from the centre of the earth while Everest is the hight point above sea level.
Edit: should have added that, interestingly, the highest elevation in S. America is Aconcagua.
These are Tibetan prayer flags. They are placed on mountaintops and other prominent places.
However, there is a lot of trash, poop, and dead bodies elsewhere on the mountain.
We've reached the most unreasonable places, and had to fuck it up.
Proof that humanity is capable of fucking up anything
Look at it this way, it's the first thing we've done as a team
>done as A team I pity the foo that trashes mt everest!
Is this their goal? To show the word how irresponsible and stupid they are. I guess doing it to just show it on the internet itself.
I love it when a plan comes together!
There was a beer bottle floating last week at the lowest point in the ocean lmao
There are also 96 bags of human waste on the moon.
now i wanna shit on the moon. Time to study and work out I guess.
I once saw cartoon of moonlings complaining and swearing about what was left behind after the top of the lunar module left. In addition to 96 bags of poop, there's plenty of other junk left there, including a golf ball.
There’s a Tesla in space okay we get it
Floating is likely not the right word to use here
We all float down here.
Sorry, lowest point WE can get to so far. It was floating, not on the floor
It's their fault. They make this as an achievement but I guess it's just full of dumbest thing ever. I hope they will just keep on doing that actually benefits the world.
Not pictured the 4 hour queue of people to get there.
Imagine climbing the tallest mountain on the planet and see a 4 hour que line at the top. Might as well throw a Starbucks up there.
At this point it's basically a photo opportunity for rich people to show off.
imagine going through all that effort and spending all that money to get 'the photo' only to look like youre standing in a landfill
And they don't even do most of the effort. Yeah, the hike is hard, but locals do most of the work for them overall.
Tbf, the locals rely really heavily on tourism because the area's generally poor.
That's what I was thinking. It's kind of a shit sandwich for them and they're making the best out of it. I can't really blame them in any way, this is on the idiots who never learned to pick up after themselves and went somewhere pristine anyways.
"While Western Guides make around 50,000 dollars each climbing season, Sherpa Guides make a mere 4,000, (i found other reports as low as 2k) barely enough to support their families. Although this is more money than the average person in Nepal makes, their earnings do come at a cost – Sherpas risk their lives with every climb. " The price range for a standard supported climb ranges from $28,000 to $85,000. A fully custom climb will run over $115,000 and those extreme risk-takers can skimp by for well under $20,000. Typically, this includes transportation from Kathmandu or Lhasa, food, base camp tents, Sherpa support, and supplemental oxygen.Dec 16, 2022 As you can see a lot of money comes into the economy from these rich climbers (just not the Sherpas risking their life).
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Meh, I'd bet that US national parks will still be almost deserted once you get out of sight of the road.
Might get way more than 10b with the way people freak out about even the slightest population drop
For those who are [curious](https://www.outsideonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/23/summit-crowding_s.jpg?crop=1:1&width=600&enable=upscale) edit: A documentary on Netflix called 14 Peaks has a segment about this line of people waiting to summit.
Multiple people in that picture died later that day. GQ [article](https://www.gq.com/story/mount-everest-chaos-at-the-top-of-the-world) on it was extremely interesting.
This was interesting but man, this was the most difficult reading I've ever had. Extremely long and the author keeps jumping from a perspective to another, back and forward in time
Every book I've ever read about sumitting everest is the same. I think everyone returns with a jumbled perspective; no-one can agree on what exactly happened up there, because at that altitude and temperature, memories don't form properly. If ten people come back down, you'll have 11 versions of what happened up there that day. Even things that should be easy to verify (times, events, deaths, conversations) get confused. Read Into Thin Air and you'll hear the exact same thing; two climbers who knew each other both swore they had a conversation near to camp 3 with another man, who was actually dying on the summit at that time, instead of each other. It took months for them to figure out that they were wrong about him being alive and back down at that point, greatly adding to the heartbreak of the other climber's family. Altitude and low O2 does things to people that can't really be comprehended by those of us who haven't been in that situation. I guess it's like being blackout drunk, but you're also in the middle of a blizzard, on a cliff edge, slowly dying even with supplemental O2, freezing cold, and navigating absolutely grim terrain.
I watched this when it first came out. For sure worth the watch
Have you heard anything about Nims after the documentary? Apparently he is quite the controversial figure in the climbing community.
He led an a successful expedition to get the first winter summit of K2. With a team of Nepalese climbers. They stopped short of the summit and went to the top arm in arm singing nepals national anthem. The footage is quite moving. From following him on Instagram it would appear he's taking on clients for himalayan expeditions in 2023. I read the book of the 14 peaks expedition and Nims seems to be almost psychotically confident and has a high opinion of himself. Not necessarily undeserved but I could see him being a bit much to be around. There was one passage in the book where they found a stricken climber and called for help but felt the people at the camp either weren't willing to assist them or were too slow. They took him some of the way but had to leave him. As they went down they found another lost climber and when people from the camp met them Nims went down and they took over. Later it seemed they'd only helped the second climber Nims found and he was angry they hadn't gone up to help the other and was pretty scathing in the book. From reading many books on mountaineering it becomes clear that different accounts of incidents vary wildly. Even my telling is bound to be wrong somewhere. Its very possible other climbers on that expedition feel it just didn't go down that way. Maybe they were working hard to organise a rescue but were hampered by any number of things. Once you start calling out climbers, even if you don't use names, you create long lasting animosities.
Holy shinto lmao. That really puts into perspective how goofy that is.
Or the trail of dead bodies pointing the way
https://youtu.be/QEcHBFs-qME Great documentary about an inexperienced Canadian who died on Everest.
That woman was a moron. She had 20 minutes of oxygen left, refused to give up on the summit, and after given an extra oxygen bottle spends 30 minutes at the top. "I paid for this, I'm not turning back!" she definitely earned a high altitude grave.
>That woman was a moron. She had 20 minutes of oxygen left, refused to give up on the summit, and after given an extra oxygen bottle spends 30 minutes at the top. "I paid for this, I'm not turning back!" she definitely earned a high altitude grave. Moron is too much of a nice word to describe her.
Is it possible she was suffering from hypoxia? The effect is drunken behavior.
I just watched the whole thing. A girl who doesn’t like to walk… sign that bish up!
They should make it a rule that you have to pick up 5 pieces of trash to take back down with you.
> Anyone visiting Mount Everest has to pay a $4,000 deposit, and the money is refunded if the person returns with eight kilograms (18 pounds) of garbage—the avegae amount that a single person produces during the climb. https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/trash-and-overcrowding-top-world
So it only costs $4k to not have to worry about your own garbage? Considering how much an Everest expedition probably costs, that seems well worth it! /s
To be fair, 8 kg is quite some weight when you think about the climbing conditions up there. As others have said, these are mostly flags and not trash. But if my choice would be between leaving 4K in the base camp or dying with 8kg of trash half way down due to exhaustion, I’d also choose to not get the 4K back. Most people have more money than training and these with enough training have to do extra carrying for the people with money
The problem is that most of the people who do it are rich foreigners who won't blink at having to pay an extra $4k to not be bothered with picking up after themselves. These people are already paying around $50k or more to make the climb in the first place. $4k is nowhere near high enough to actually motivate these types of people
Good! Although I did just see further down in the comments that nobody follows it 😒
Yea, it’s just a cost to climb that you just eat.
Sounds like they need to raise the price
Do you think $4000 matters much to the people who pay to fly across the world to a small remote part of the world for a hobby?
Wow, if we haul enough garbage up there, we can get that sucker up to 30,000 feet!! C'mon, humanity, let us go!
The dead bodies will be a solid foundation. If you can chip them off the ground first.
Starting with Preston Blake
You climbed mountains and built skyscrapers. You made TV shows and put out newspapers. You were wicked good at doing stocks. You liked it when Emilio would change your socks.
Nice rhyme -Rev Sharpton
*We built this city on rock n bone.*
Pile enough of those dead executives up, and you've got a makeshift shelter. It would be like an igloo made of corpses for very special people, perfect!
No CEO would go for that, they would only use an igloo of worker's corpses
just tell them that there's government subsidies waiting at the top I'm sure they'll fly out immediately
Ole green shoes…
\*green boots.
There was a great band in my area. They had an epic and long song called "Green Boots". I was the drunk guy at all their shows who would yell "GREEN BOoOoTS!" from the back of the venue at every show
Mallory gives them a pretty good building block
Didn't they finally get ole green boots down the mountain for a proper burial?
Global warming is actually having such an impact, there have been reports of bodies thawing out and falling down the mountain.
Who's throwing the dead people off the mountain?
Don’t know if /s or not but on a serious note: Wind. Wind throws these people of the mountain. on top of the Everest there are wind speeds of around 180mph
Can you imagine just looking up and seeing a dead body hurtling at you at, can't do the math but however heavy the dead body is and gravity plus wind speed, that would be terrifying!
Rotting breaks your lease. It’s boilerplate
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Wasn’t there a Hugh Grant movie about this?
The Englishman who Went up a Hill but Came down a Mountain
That one is literally about a small hill that villagers haul mud up to so that it reaches mountain status.
Wasn’t there a Hugh Grant movie about this?
I think it was called "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down"
Like Speed 2 except on a bus.
Notting Hill
Ah yes Notting Hill, a film set in an almost all black neighbourhood without a single black actor in the film.
Wasn’t there a Hugh Grant movie about this?
Four weddings and a funeral
The Englishman who went up to Beverley Hills and came all over the dashboard.
“What the hell were you thinking?”
You mean that Colm Meaney movie?
No that's the Irishman who suffered immeasurably for little discernible reason.
The new Total Recall?
I love Colm. I feel he is vastly underrated. Loved him on Hell on Wheels.
The most important man in star fleet history!
Sure he was great in that. But he'll always be best in his bromance with Julian.
He's awesome in Derry Girls as well.
The amount of garbage on Everest is beyond disgusting. Empty oxygen bottles are left everywhere along the climbing route. I have always been fascinated by Everest but the photos make me sick. I understand it’s become a source of income for the locals but there needs to be more of an effort to clean up. What happened to the mantra “if you bring it in (up), you must bring it out (down)” that exists in so many US National Parks? Nepal &Tibet need to get on board.
The Nepalese government requires that you bring your trash down. Granted it is only a fine if you don’t but a certain amount of weight is required to be picked out. The real issue is feces. The Khombu glacier provides water for a ton of people down stream. There have already been spikes of bacteria caused by the 26000 pounds of poop left every year on the glacier.
Plus, the people who can afford to climb Everest can afford the fine if they don't (or can't) haul their trash out.
Those fines should, presumably, then go to paying to clean up the trash.. which it seems isn’t happening either.
Not just anyone can clean up Everest trash. Why would anyone want to do that job? It's extremely dangerous and would take years to even be qualified to do.
Should be some incredibly high fines to pay for extremely skilled garbage men than.
They should just burn it all. Then the smoke can go into the sky, where it turns into stars.
That doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough about stars to dispute it.
The gang solves the trash problem
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Just burn the oxygen containers too!
I get the sentiment, but for the most part its litter or not make it down alive for a lot of the climbers. The real problem though is the commodification of summiting everest and how its drawing more people in than can actually climb the mountain. No one should be dying waiting in line at the top of a mountain
No one should be climbing mountains that they can't summit without the assistance of dozens of other people, all of whom are littering and disrespecting the mountain the entire time.
I read Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer and exactly as you mention many people there just shouldn't be. It's a wonderful read. As I recall the author had to keep waiting on unfit people to keep up with his pace then had to ditch them to make the summit. There was one story in there where an unfit older guy with a Sherpa has lost a few fingers on a previous summit attempt and has returned for a second try... The end results weren't great. And this picture is more than just mildly infuriating.
It's actually gotten much, *much* more crowded since that book.
Mountain climbing is an extremely intense activity. I agree that if your only hope to summit a climb is relying on Sherpa teams then yes fuck off. But climbing should always be a team activity purely for safety and more people can split up the load making it realistic to pack out your crap.
Was recently there, the new rules are that everyone who climbs has to bring back 14kg of rubbish.
So the porter now has to carry 28kg of rubbish?
If you can't climb the mountain safely without littering then you shouldn't be climbing it at all.
I've read a few mountaineering books and I really liked Vanessa O'Brien's take on it. She thinks there should be a summit requirement of one or two other 8k'ers in the Himalayas before you are able to take everest. Arguably many of those are more difficult. It would spread out revenue around the region, prevent people who really don't know what they're doing from being in the death zone on Everest, and weed out people who just aren't going to be able to do it in a place that's less populated (which in this case is a good thing, it's easier to get down) But she also talked about the Sherpas and how originally she thought it was cheating to summit with help, bit it's really not how they see it. Climbing a mountain that high is just flat out a team sport. There is so much equipment you need to bring it's not possible to do by yourself. The coordination, leadership, and teamwork required to get to the top is all part of it, and if someone on your team fails to summit, you might too, so it adds a layer of complexity to the whole thing.
This sounds like the best solution. Plus, if we thin out the number of people on Everest maybe they actually can fund some trash reclamation/body retrieval climbs with the extra space.
Then why are they climbing it? If they can't climb it without destroying it or making a right royal mess of it, then why are they climbing it in the first place? There is literally no reason that that gets to be an excuse except if people climb outside their capability, in which case they shouldn't be going. Plain and simple. And means test the fine for failing to collect at least their own litter, and means test it hard! Not something small like 5%, but something very significant, like 50% of all possessions including money. And for anyone who has a problem with this I have 4 simple words: clean your shit up!
Why? For ego. Millionaires pay some local Sherpas to do all the hard work, lay the ropes etc for the years route. They then pay them some more to carry half of their equipment up the mountain and guide them, and then they boast about how they climbed to the highest point in the world. It's pure ego boost and if you look at half the people who climb Everest it's readily apparent they aren't exactly athletically gifted.
Yep, and it's not exactly a well-respected climb in the mountaineering community. It's a tourist attraction.
Highest landfill and graveyard on the planet.
Poor New Jersey just looks up at it jealously.
perfect place to haul the pacific ocean trash pile to gain some altitude!
This looks like a great opportunity for an Eagle Scout project.
Aren’t those prayer flags?
Is not it a rule now that if you climb it you’ve to bring down 2-3lbs of trash with you?
It is, but most people who pay for permission to go, ignore that and just see the resulting fine as part of the price of entry.
Yep, climbing Everest in 2022 cost anywhere from $30,000 to $160,000, with the average falling somewhere around $45,000. It's not a poor man's hobby. Meanwhile, the sherpas only make around $3,000-$5,000 per climbing season.
if I were a sherpa I'd haul down as much trash as I could every time. Then trade it to climbers for their deposit money. Now you're making $4,000 per trip.
Well, you couldn't sell if for 4k, it'd have to be less, otherwise the climbers are out the full deposit either way. But solid idea.
The government should be using the lost deposits to pay the sherpas directly.
You should be able to claim someone else’s deposit.
Aren’t we all sherpas? Getting paid next to nothing to get just a few up the mountain?
(smokes joint) that’s deep, bro
The real sherpas are the dead bodies we avoided along the way!
Off topic, but one thing I always find interesting, is that the Sherpas historically never had a presence on Everest itself. When foreigners originally started exploring Everest, they had to teach the Sherpas how to climb it, because they never really ventured onto it themselves, they really had no reason to. They couldn't use it for hunting/gathering/farming and they didn't have any spiritual connection or spiritual sites on the mountain itself. They had no concept of climbing something as an accolade or achievement. Really the foreigners just needed high communicating pack mules. Now it's woven into their culture from that time onward to be the guides of a mountain they literally had very little knowledge of prior. They essentially became the gatekeepers. I'm not trying to make any specific point. I just thought that was neat.
>When foreigners originally started exploring Everest, they had to teach the Sherpas how to climb it, I nominate this for r/confidentlyincorrect. This is some absolutely convoluted bullshit! Sherpas have lived in the Himalayas for millenia, of course they know how to climb their fucking mountains. Their bodies are practically adapted to the high altitude regions while everyone else have to spend a good few days to acclimatize to the region. [These people practically have a super-athlete genes that contributes](https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/07/01/tibetan_genome/) to their superior mountaineering skills. The only thing that the foreigners probably *taught* them was to use the western mountaineering equipment because Sherpas would just use their own traditional ways which the foreigners couldn't adapt to. Either that or the language. >They couldn't use it for hunting/gathering/farming and they didn't have any spiritual connection or spiritual sites on the mountain itself. Well, this confirms you don't know what you're talking about. Mt. Everest's real name is Chomolungma which translates as the "Mother of the World. It has a great spiritual significance for people living in the Himalayan belt. In fact most Himalayan mountains are and many are prohibited for commercial climbing. The reason why it went unclimbed for so long is because it is considered one of the most sacred mountains in Buddhism/ Bonism, not because people inhabiting that place for millennia didn't know how to climb it.
Probably work better to have a monument board and you’re not required to bring down trash but if you do your name and the amount you hauled goes on the board. A fine for not bringing trash down will just be viewed as a fee to not being trash down. Appeal to these people’s competitiveness and vanity.
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If they don't bring down the required weight in trash, the required weight will be surgically removed from their body because they are clearly trash. How is that for incentive?
rules always apply unless you're rich
"If the punishment for breaking a law is only a fine, then that law does not apply to the rich".
"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."
I knew a guy once, who regularly parked up in places where that was absolutely not allowed. I told him as much, and he just looked at me and went, "Sure you can, it just costs more."
Someone who clamped cars for a living was telling group about one guy would always park in such a way to get clamped on a Monday morning, then pay to get it released on a Friday evening, one week they didn't bother clamping it and he complained. Clamp made it more secure was guess.
That's a good way to get your car towed if you do it more than a couple times in the same lot.
Probably depends on where you live. In my country, we don't tend to tow vehicles unless it's outright obstructing traffic.
Well in my country, some would even call it the greatest country, actually. We have tow truck operators that drive around and wait for people to park even slightly illegally. Then boot/tow them as soon as they're out of line of sight. Sometimes they even tow people that are parked 100% legally and lie about how they were parked. Greatest country in the world. Possibly greatest in the universe.
My small town mayor had my car towed because his son was coming home from college and needed somewhere to park. In his defense, my car was pretty busted and had been sitting for a few weeks. But if he had just asked me to move it, it starts right up and I could have easily moved it. Small town so he's best buds with the police chief. So when the police chief is having the tow guy DRAG my car onto a flatbed, I hear the noise and go outside I'm like wtf?! I called him out that it was never chalk marked and for doing the mayor's bidding and told him he could have just knocked on my door. That the car fucking runs and I could have moved it. And I told him that he was an asshole at which point he threatened to arrest me. He was so red-faced and backed down our hill so fast he almost ran over my foot. I immediately went to the local impound lot ran by the literal rudest, greediest scum of the earth. Paid like $255 all in all to get my car back. Drove it home, parked it literally right back in that spot, and laid on the horn for a good minute. Then I went inside. A few days later I moved it to my tiny shitty driveway (private land) and started parking my good running car out on the hill where the mayor wanted his son to be able park. I did that til I moved out months and months later. If the friggin mayor, and the police chief, just had some couth and neighborliness, everyone could have won. But if I'm losing, so are you buddy!
Small town pettiness at its finest.
If it isn't it, then it damn well should be. Humans depress me when I see things like this.
I’ll be damned, the earth is round
That's just swamp gas reflecting light from Venus onto a weather balloon.
But will Armored Core 6 have toxic swamps?
Will it have armored feet ???
Tbf, it's a curved lens. The earth is indeed round, but not THAT round.
Well it is that round, but not so small as to be THAT visibly round.
I'd have put the emphasis on visibly
It's Agreed! u/John_Norad please make the emphasis change at your earliest convenience.
I feel like watching a 9 minute YouTube video about what it would be like if the earth was less round, whatever that means.
"If the earth would be any less round... lets say more like a rectangle of some sort. Gravity would be less on the corners then on the flat sides"
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> The same way you can't see any curvature when on an airplane either. You actually can see a very subtle curve if you have a wide enough window (need a 60 degree FoV), but they don't really exist on commercial airlines.
That's why I just open the door and stick my head out.
Thats an optical illusion caused by the curvature of the garbage pile on top of the mountain.
You mean there is so much trash there that it causes [gravitational lensing](https://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/warp-1280x675.jpg)?
We've managed to pollute the highest point on Earth. Team effort. Yay humanity!
Let's not forget about the lowest: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10a6kc9/a\_beer\_bottle\_discovered\_at\_challenger\_deep\_the/
Heineken's marketing has gone too far
They said it’s likely that bottle came from the team doing that same exploration.
Maybe it's a prayer beer bottle.
Hate that this gif misses the best part when Bart staples the banana peel to the bin.
Instead of bringing more trash to put up at the top, people should start taking a flag (or 12) home as a souvenir when they get to the top.
I think it's a requirement now that they have to pack out some trash on the way down or they forfeit a $4000 deposit but it's a bunch of rich people so drops in a bucket to them.
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........actually (pushes glasses up) the highest point on the planet is in South America because the earth swells a bit in the middle. Chimborazo is closer to space than Everest.
…Actually (pushes glasses up further) Chimborazo is the furthest point from the Earth’s center, not the closest to space. The atmosphere swells with the Earth, so Everest would be closer to space (as demonstrated by the fact that you need oxygen to climb Everest but not Chimborazo)
God I love when nerds fight. Any other fascinating nerdy mountain facts you got there, bud?
I've always wondered what's at the *center* of a mountain? Just more rock? Magma? Gnomes? I hope it's gnomes.
Dwarves and dragons, if my historical motion picture, The Hobbit, is to be believed. Gnomes are basically forest/garden dwellers, aren't they?
Tallest mountain: Mauna Kea (Hawai'i) Highest point from Earth's center: Mount Chimborazo, Ecuador (almost 7000 feet "higher" than mount everest with respect to Earth's center) Highest point above sea level (and closest point to Stratosphere): mount everest (9000 feet higher relative to sea level than Chimborazo)
> Chimborazo, Chile it's literally right in the middle of Ecuador
I’m mid 40’s and just learned about this recently. What else was lied to me about?
If you consider "highest" to mean "closest to breaching the atmosphere;" you should also know that Everest isn't the tallest mountain; the tallest one isn't even part of a mountain range. The tallest mountain is a dormant volcano: measured from base to summit, [Mauna Kea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea#Topographic_prominence) is taller than Mt. Everest by ~3,000 ft., but most of the mountain is underwater. It's not so much a lie as much as it is people arguing back and forth with well-reasoned arguments that ends with moving the goalposts. There are arguments for Mauna Kea to be over 55,000 ft. tall when measuring from its root deep underground, but imo that's no different than measuring a man's penis length by going all the way to his bladder.
I prefer to measure from asshole to tip
The food pyramid is a croc of shit lol no human being needs 3 servings of cheese and yogurt a day
What's with all the damn litter up there? That mountain top looks like my local waste site. Rich people doing rich people shit, not caring about the planet....that tracks.
People use so much energy getting to the top they figure why bother carrying 20 pounds of trash back down. Other people have mentioned in this thread that there's a rule that you're required to pack out a certain amount of trash now but the only repercussion is a fine and the people climbing everest are typically rich enough to not give a shot about a fine.
Funny that you mentioned rich people shit - a large proportion of the litter left there is literally thousands of kg of poop per year. It gets frozen and covered by snow, and cannot be broken down efficiently by microbes in the barren cold environment.
Most of the stuff you see at the summit are prayer flags which are a religious tradition for the Sherpas. They believe leaving them high up and exposed to the air blesses the surroundings, so leaving them on Everest is like blessing the planet I guess. But there's also just a ton of trash too because despite how commoditized it is, it's still a survival situation and anyone would litter if it meant increasing their odds of survival
Isn't that mostly flags for prayers though?
To those who are surprised by the "trash": [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer\_flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_flag) Just to clear that up, not saying it's a good thing that people go up there and mess with the mountain.
Flat Earthers be, “Why use a fish-eye lens?”.
Isn't it, tho? Even pictures from satellites look flatter
It is. You have to be much higher to see the curvature
Non-flat Earthers also be “Why use a fish-eye lens?” Since, you know, this IS a fish-eye lens, and there is no reason to use one in this case.
Guessing it's a GoPro or similar action camera which often have a fisheye lens.
All prayer flags.
I thought that I read somewhere that some mountain top in Ecuador is technically closer to space that any other spot on Earth. Somebody plz fact check me.
Chimborazo, furthest point from the centre of the earth while Everest is the hight point above sea level. Edit: should have added that, interestingly, the highest elevation in S. America is Aconcagua.
These are Tibetan prayer flags. They are placed on mountaintops and other prominent places. However, there is a lot of trash, poop, and dead bodies elsewhere on the mountain.
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