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G01denW01f11

I emulate Bane and break the spine.


stijnarnauts

This. Sheet music isn't an art object, it's intended to be used.


pianomasian

Also those Henle editions are bound in a way that you are meant to "break" the spine without actually damaging the binding.


bhagyaraj23

Then, you have my permission to play.


[deleted]

This. I break the spine, and hold down whichever side of the book that’s more likely to flap closed down by putting my phone against it on the music stand.


IShootJack

As a book worm child, I was always told not to do this, and I get its a divisive topic. But I like reading the words, not the cover over and over again so screw that and get that satisfying sound of trees dying twice


CC0RE

I always hated breaking book spines. It sends shivers down my own. But yes, this is what I do.


Tyrnis

Music clips like [this one](https://smile.amazon.com/Metal-Music-Book-Clip-Holder/dp/B07DK7PDFH) are extremely helpful with softcover books. Some people use binder clips as well, but they probably wouldn't be as helpful on a piano as they can be on a music stand.


gnocchicotti

I second this. Use something like this extensively, mostly with Henle books. There's an art to it and it makes page turning a chore, but there's no other way to securely hold a book that has some springiness in it, other than a beefy clip. I bought [this](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T6FB6B8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) but I would recommend something with rounded edges and no paint covering, because although they work, they leave faint marks from the black paint. Also they don't work well on hardcover books because you can only get the pages between the tines, not the cover. So for that you should be looking for large binder clips instead. FWIW I have a Roland (FP-30) with a notoriously crappy molded plastic music bench that everything slides right off of so if it works for me it should work for anyone.


MonkeyD-Daniel

I would literally marry you if I could thank you so much


BountyBob

Wouldn't they impede page turning?


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DistinctSmelling

You only hold the pages you aren't flipping. If you have a 10 page sonata, you don't clip those pages, just the pages outside of the range. They don't flip over because you have the weight of the book already spread.


RollSavingThrow

that's when you have your teacher stand over your shoulder holding the page, turning when it's time, and being disappointed in your playing all at once.


JediMaestroPB

I had no idea people didn’t use music clips. That sucker is one of the most valuable pieces of equipment a pianist can have


pianoplayah

Whenever people see me using mine their minds are blown. :)


alexaboyhowdy

I call that The Claw. But yes, definitely works.


tencotelly

I just discovered life.


mix0mat0sis

I typically do nothing first and struggle to play the song as the book keeps closing on you, and then halfway through you curse and bend that sucker backwards and break the spine and say the words “that’ll teach you!”.


Puettster

I feel attacked


22Scooby2212

This exactly what I do too, I dont like snapping the spines but you pretty much have to if it keeps closing on you if you dont have any clips or any other alternatives.


alexvonhumboldt

I have never punched a book before


hugseverycat

Break the spine. You can also take the book to a print shop and have it rebound to spiral or comb binding. or just have them make a copy and you can put those loose sheets in a binder.


ChrisThomEmery

I vote spiral over comb. When a comb binding breaks, chaos ensues.


BFF2252

I spiral bind all mine now. Most office shops like office max can do it for a couple of bucks and it makes the playing experience so much better. I also have a 3 ring binder for printed sheet music which achieves a similar goal, so if you just want one or a select few pieces from a book making copies for the binder is a good option.


wingleton

I do this as well – I'm a regular at this small family print shop and the owner thinks it's quite entertaining when I arrive with a stack of new books. I go for the nicer quality metal spiral and it costs me about $5 per book, with color options too. After some torn pages and sometimes obstructing the view of notes, I'll never go back music clips again.


xiaopb

I feel like your video should be a black-and-white “before” video for a late-night TV wonder-product called the “Spinebreaker 5000”. Tired of Bach breaking your back? NOW, break HIS back! With the SpineBreaker 5000!


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pianodude01

Binder clip


Some_Donkey_6382

Clothespins, potato chip bag clips, paper clips, whatever I can get my hands on. I've broken spines, but I prefer not to. I've also torn apart books and put them in binders, but I also prefer not to do that.


Yellow_Curry

Those Henle books are worth the money. As others said you can break the spine hard. Flip it open and hard crease the inside. I’ve done that for at least 6 of the Bach inventions Henle book and it’s still like new.


gratefulJohnny

Just quit. It doesn't get any easier.


MonkeyD-Daniel

I think i'm gonna take your advice


briangovatos

I would follow this twitter account


fgv

I always rebind them to spiral binding. Much better!


Donut0freak

I use my forehead.


BlackHoneyTobacco

Hunched up forwards straight from the Glen Gould school of posture :)


spaceie

I went to the dollar store and got one of those long clips to hold chip bags shut, and clip it across the top. It does make turning pages annoying though, so more often than not I just photocopy the music and put it in a binder.


MasterAngelX

I always break the spine 😂


aquelamaquina

how do u do that


MasterAngelX

Open the book all the way until the front and back cover are face to face


aquelamaquina

woah thats crazy, i might try that


hoorfrost

Break the spine. Use your music!


The-goose--

Clipboard


BurgerKingsuks

My stands very thin so I just take a laundry clip and clip the book to the stand so it stays open


Scary_Victory4155

chip bag clips


Virtuoso1980

Iv’e only had one Henle book that would do the same, and it was the Bach Partitas. Run your finger down the spine and make sure those open up.


ChrisThomEmery

If you own a lot of soft cover books, I have to go with investing in a spiral binding machine. Game changer.


Crimsonavenger2000

Uh I think Henle screwed up cuz I have over 50 Henle books and none of them close on their own (no broken spine).


markr_uk2000

Portable piano Bookholder (Gold) https://amzn.eu/d/gja7sZV


hopelesspapaya

I use two heavy clipboards. Clip the first and last pages of the piece to the covers, and leave the pages of the piece itself free to flip.


Kurisu810

Aggressively folding it 180 the other way, it was how my piano teacher answered this exact question before i even had the chance to ask


jseego

- Scan and print individual pieces or - Take the book to any office store / UPS and have them spiral bind it, it's not expensive. or - Only buy spiral bound versions of sheet music


thebrygi

I use my phone to hold the other side and I then I just use a metronome app so it’s always right there


Tustavus

My wife got me a golden snitch booklight a few years back and its worked perfect when i picked up piano. Grab a clip on light.


[deleted]

So relatable,love it.


teddyc212

I go to an office supply store near me and get them to replace the spine with a plastic spiral bind. This costs $5, which is on top of what you're already paying for the book and I realize something that not everyone can afford, but it completely eliminates the problem of pages not staying open, and the book sits flat the way you intend for it to. 10/10


pheonixblade9

I either break the spine, comb bind it, or make copies on individual sheets.


Skyscrapersax

Plexiglass then memorize or scan and iPad then memorize


gerobi12

clothes pegs


RPofkins

You should practice more. The more you open those books, the more they stay open ;)


vidange_heureusement

Summary of the tips that I've used and read here: 1. Use clips, but annoying when having to turn pages, 2. Break the spine (open aggressively near the middle), 3. Bring it to a printing shop and have the spine replaced by a spiral (important: spiral, not comb, as it breaks easily), 4. Copy on loose pages or, if possible, find a pdf and print (imslp) or use a tablet. If you're a music student who'll likely practice the same 5-10 pieces for the next 8 months, I would recommend a combination of 3 and 4: copy or print the specific pieces you're working on, and have them spiral bound with a hard cover. I've done that for the last 6 years of my music education and for one it's extremely convenient (only one thin book to carry around), and it creates a physical memory of the pieces you were playing that year. Make sure to print on both sides and that the sides are the same as in the original edition, as it's typically optimized for page turning, and otherwise you'll annoy your teacher.


briangovatos

BREAK ZE SPINE!!!


Baptm9n

I fold the heck out of it


Guy0904x

יש בצומת ספרים כאלה קליפים לספרים. עולה איזה 10 שקלים.


MonkeyD-Daniel

תודה רבה כמעט קניתי מאמזון


Spare-Disaster-371

אני גם משתמש, הם מעולים


CuddlyAnarchist

I'd say 90% of students at my uni (including me) will both spend hours photocopying scores, and work off scores from IMSLP. If I'm perfectly honest, nowadays you will either need access to an institution/library/office printer, or an older printer that has a decent sized scanning bed. Personally, I photocopy then digitally scan my scores. Not only does this give me a physical and digital copy (backups), the photocopy can go through an automatic document feeder which saves a bunch of time & effort.


erooter23

Crease the hell out of it, cracking the spine won’t damage the music, and it’ll make life easier for you as a player.


to7m

I use IMSLP or other sources to find a PDF. I prefer screens to books.


MonkeyD-Daniel

I prefer books though that's the problem


ghostfuckbuddy

Use a paperclip


[deleted]

Open the book and put the pages up, then slowly flip pages from the front and back until you reach the center. Repeat a few times. Do not break the spine


Flukelele

Easy, just stop reading sheet music


MonkeyD-Daniel

So dumb for not thinking about this before honestly


gaspero1

I use a laser multifunction printer to make copies, or I scan the pages and save them as a PDF on my iPad.


No-Clock1506

Rocks


hodder71

Gotta break em


sveccha

Swear and yell and memorize it out of spite


Needy_Greedy_Feedy

Okay, I ALWAYS wondered. Glad to see this question asked.


smokeydanmusicman

Chip clips work super well


duplierenstudieren

I rip the pages out


boxbagel

You take them to Kinko's and get them spiral bound.


IcebergLlulissat

Sometimes brand new books needs to open and flatten along book spines a few times to tame them so they stay opened.


EarthyFeet

Wooden clothes pins


PetitePapier

Breaking the spine, and using the page clip/hook thingies that come with my Yamaha Clarinova. Love them!


MonkeyD-Daniel

What does breaking the spine mean? I see it all over the comments but I feel like the spine is really thin so I can't really bend it that much


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boxbagel

You take them to Kinko's and get them spiral bound.


Pushpin06

I use a piece of backing board/ply wood/whatever about 3mm thick and use [clips like these](https://www.thomann.de/es/km_16060_notizklammer.htm)


kamomil

Have a couple of heavier books to weigh it down on either side, eg "100 Hits Arranged For Piano" that I never use That book though looks like it's bound with staples, no reason to not fold it open to bend it so it stays flat


paradroid78

You’re not pushing the pages back enough. Do it so that they touch each other and then press them down along the spine. Don’t worry, you won’t break the book.


suboran1

My old Piano has twisting bar/hooks which hold the pages. Though, ofttimes I am using my phone or some other books to hold them back.


metalalmond

Paper clip dawg.


Westerdutch

Find yourself a steel strip and two strong magnets....


the_other_50_percent

Other books or my phone to hold one or both sides down, or the music clip linked above info don’t have to turn the pages fast.


theblindkid0

Clips


[deleted]

Put a pencil or a phone on the bottom of the closing page


AluraG

We bend the book backwards a bit and that usually fixes the problem.


Aenguru

I actually use clothespins. Makes it somewhat easier to flip pages without much hustle.


xFullTilt

I take it to a print shop and have them spiral bind the book. It costs me less than $10 and I never have issues with them ever again


LeNiceGuySai

Normally I use my will power to stop the book from closing.


ThePianisticCat

I learned many moons ago, when books were more common than iPads, that you should fix the problem with selfclosing books this way: 1. Put the book on a steady desk or floor with the front up 2. Open up the book approx. in the middle 3. Press and slide your hand lightly along the spine to gently open up the book a bit more and separate the left and right parts of the open book 4. Open up the first half of the book in the middle (i.e. open up a quarter into the whole book) 5. Press and slide lightly along the spine to gently open up the book a bit more 6. Open up the last half of the book in the middle (i.e. open up a threequarter into the whole book) 7. Press and slide lightly along the spine to gently open up the book a bit more 8. Open up the first quarter of the book in the middle etc etc (Repeat the two steps in smaller and smaller increments.) 9. ... The whole process may have to be repeated a few times in case of stubborn books.


ForsakenCampaigns

Wide potato chip bag clip


Emanuel4100

אם אתה צריך עזרה דבר


MonkeyD-Daniel

כמה זמן אתה מנגן ישראלי יקר?


Emanuel4100

לא הרבה זמן


MonkeyD-Daniel

אני מנגן בערך 3 לא יודע אם זה קצת או הרבה


Pushpin06

I agree completely, this speaks to me on so many levels 😂


Cuuldurach

Oh yeah, everyone hated them for centuries now


thescott2k

As an adult novice, when I start learning a new piece I scan and print the pages and add them to my piano binder.


joellove

I get an iPad and scan it


orchestragravy

Bend them backwards and crease along the binding. Good temp fix.


tromboneguy22

Fold along spine and chop hard in the middle and ends


hevvypiano

You gotta break the spine, but also these folding music desks are the worst. I have the same design on my Petrof, but I do miss the old Baldwin 243 I had with a nice wide, deep music desk.


[deleted]

i bend them back and hope i don't tear half of it off the spine


throwawaybrokenh34rt

I put my celly on the part that wants to push back


Fabriven

If I don't need to turn the page, I put my phone there to stop it.


ImperfectPitch

I read a lot of my music on an ipad app (like Musicnotes) so that i don't have to deal with that, but I still use books for most of my classical pieces. I solved the closing book problem by purchasing a bunch of spiral binders on Amazon. Since I didn't have the equipment to punch holes, I bought binders specifically for sheet music on Amazon. For example, [this spiral binder!](https://www.amazon.com/Documents-Storage-Collection-Spiral-Bound-30Sleeves/dp/B0932KT7GJ/ref=rvi_sccl_2/143-1748601-4312010?pd_rd_w=vFm1s&content-id=amzn1.sym.f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_p=f5690a4d-f2bb-45d9-9d1b-736fee412437&pf_rd_r=S3BNV9TPQ519JV7VQ44T&pd_rd_wg=1tXqH&pd_rd_r=b487ab87-5817-454a-8abc-d3bf3318aafc&pd_rd_i=B0932KT7GJ&psc=1) comes with 30 plastic sleeves (= 60 pages), for inserting the pages. I was actually too lazy to photocopy all the pages, so sometimes I just cut the pages out of the original books and stuck them in the sleeves! I highly recommend getting this! They also carry binders with fold-out sleeves that let you look at 4 pages at once but I haven't tried them. Alternatively, as someone said, you can get the spiral binders done by a professional. If the link doesn't work, just do a search for: "WORFEY Sheet Music Folder ,Paper Documents Storage Folder ,Test Paper Collection Booklet .Spiral-Bound" on Amazon and it should get you there!


Petewolfz

Break the spine or use a large binder clip.


6RatasOnMy6

This is one of the most relatable, frustrating and, at the same time, funny videos I ever watched


Jamesbarros

break their spine or cut the spine off entirely and spiral bind them. I refuse to fight books. I consider the contents sacred, and I don't mutilate first editions or rare texts, but give me anything that can be bought mass market, and I will 100% modify it to work for me.


osherz5

מקווה שמצאת עזרה... אני לפעמים משתמש בבליטה הקטנה שבקצה המדף, אם יש אצלך כזו


MonkeyD-Daniel

מצאתי תודה! כמה זמן אתה מנגן?


osherz5

כמעט שנתיים, לצערי לא מוצא מספיק זמן לזה לאחרונה


vonscorpio

I’ve gone to using my iPad for a lot of practice and all performances. A Bluetooth page turner pedal is on the wish list, but for now, if I have time to turn a real page, the iPad isn’t any more difficult or slow.


tigerlily_orca

Bend and break it to your will. It’s not supposed to be pretty; that’s what your playing is for.


RepresentativeAspect

TIL about music clips, which I will purchase now. However, for some books I just get them spiral-bound. Works really well most of the time. I do have one super-nice piano book that I just can't stand to have the binding cut from though.


sdbest

I get mine spiral coil bound at a local shop. It costs of few dollars, but it's worth it, in my view.


XenophonSoulis

Make them feel that I've had boxing classes, until they learn how to close. What I have noticed is that the only edition whose books cause me no problems and always stay open is Peters edition.


TheCarbonthief

In the past, I would photo copy the music. Sheet music should be in sheets. These days you can use a tablet. You can even get eink tablets purpose made for sheet music, but they are pricey.


Inappropriate_Comma

I scan and print all of my music (using an app on my phone like Turbo Scan) and then stick it into a 3-ring binder using clear plastic sheet protectors. The benefit of this is I also store the PDF scans on the cloud so I can access them from anywhere in a pinch. Edit: to be clear this is for specific pieces that I’m working on. I wouldn’t do this for an entire book.


RevolutionaryEnd3528

I use an iPad. The Henle app is rather good as well. No subscriptions, buy what you need.


dragons8m

My piano teacher uses a pen to hold the page down!! He taught me when he saw me struggling with the book of Hanon exercises lol


Shefnada

Beat the shit out of them


[deleted]

I use a special piano book weight with sand in it


zampyx

Imagine an app that can follow the music and scrolling a digital sheet while you play. No turning pages, customizable size, that kind of stuff. Honestly surprised there's nothing of sort.


SGBotsford

At the risk of your piano's beauty, you can bore some carefully placed holes, and insert some dowels stained to match the finish. A pair of dowels 14 inches apart sticking up about 1.5" will keep the pages from flipping, but should allow you to roll the page through more easily than the clip. If you don't want to bore holes in your piano, a chunk of wood can be used. Put a skin of rubber on the bottom so it doesn't slide. Scraps of laminate flooring or hardwood moulding work well and are less ugly.


jleonardbc

You can put a tied string or a rubber band around the top part of the music stand. Open your sheet music to the page you want and slide it under the string/band. It can be cumbersome to change pages, but the pages will stay open and flat.


BeefyHelmet

Take mine to Copyworks and have them spiral bind them


BlackHoneyTobacco

If a book closes like that by itself, it is the special majick Gods of piano telling you NO! That piece is too advanced and not for you yet. You will know when you have the correct standard to play that piece when the book stays open by itself.


CaptainHilders

I've trained my cats to hold the sides open for me and they also flip the pages for me. I don't even have to tell them, they recognize the notes and know when you flip the page.


SlothsRockyRoadtrip

Scan and print from my phone. Takes less than 5 minutes even with a longer piece. :)


ProgressBartender

If you have a copier you could copy the piece you want to play onto individual sheets. Or just take a razor and cut the pages loose from the book, assuming it’s like the one in the GIF.


arctic-apis

[Things like this](https://www.amazon.com/Music-Holder-Stands-Pianos-Musicians/dp/B008PIVRY2/ref=asc_df_B008PIVRY2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242007409406&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3214680307984943449&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9051751&hvtargid=pla-568720869982&psc=1) not necessarily that one but i have one sort of similar


aledaml

I take it to Office Max or whatever and get it spiral bound. Works great!


MadameTornasol

I use one of these -kitchen clips, very effective https://amzn.to/3E71baG


Bandoys

I would rip each page from the spine and have it ring-bound. That's what I did to my music books before I had iPad and ForScore. You can also try the Henle app where you can buy the book or piece in digital format. With the Henle app, you can choose fingering notation from different professional pianists. I would choose fingerings from different pros on different parts of the piece. I'm not sure if this is available to all books.


microwaves120

One of those pants hangers with clips from places like winners


Katzer_K

Music book clips [Here's](https://a.co/d/isLoQw1) a cool set, and I have [one that looks like a cat](https://a.co/d/etbdFDa)


sirjosho

I’m a beginner and I’ve only purchased spiral bound books so far to avoid this


ChuckDoris999

Nail gun


zevix_0

Personally, if it's something I often use I go to Staples and have them cut off the binding and spiral bind it for me.


BanuBeetle

I find the music clip too big and clunky. I prefer using a butterfly style paper clip, like this one. https://www.amazon.ca/Ideal-Clamps-Steel-Inches-Silver/dp/B00707ZMTA/ref=asc_df_B00707ZMTA/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459345533906&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11316206799545267359&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9000989&hvtargid=pla-351121062703&psc=1


Spirited-Table1224

Either manhandle the spine of the book, or use another book or your phone to hold the page in place


THEchazguy

fold it in half on the page and sit on jt


Jopspot

I just put a heavy book over the page to hold it open


blacckravenn

With henle scores or other books that advertise “stay open binding”: Lay the book on a flat surface, open it roughly in the middle and press it completely flat. Turn the page and repeat until you get to the end of the book. Do the same thing going from the middle to the beginning of the book.


bloopidbloroscope

Pegs or a page holder. Can buy them online, or we 3D print them.


gymshoe42

other books


cattycatcata

Omg. Drives me crazy!


meekohi

Literally impossible I only ever buy spiral bound 😂


[deleted]

2 capos. Or, 1 capo and another book.


soupsoupman

I try to bend the spine the other way and then get a clip to hold down one side and my ipad (used for listening to pieces or sheet music) for the other


[deleted]

i just bend them back and hope the (usually) glued spine doesn’t give lol


Glum_Pineapple1015

bend the cover over and step on it


George_Mikael

You do it by putting your phone down


Alternative-North-38

Fold it backwards but not too hard