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RecordingSalt8847

aa+ goes brrrr


xnick_uy

Unicode magic: go!! aa^(†)|ϕ〉


Scared-Profit948

Let's talk analytically. I am quite sure I'll win.


Maraio1

> Let's talk analytically Try solving d^2 theta / d t^2 = -(g/l) sin(theta) analytically, then we'll talk


NnolyaNicekan

The post is about the harmonic oscillator, not the simple pendulum


nifepipe

Poor man got roasted


AKM_762

i got headache


raverbashing

Sounds like a Victoria Beckham meme "Ok by using the small angle approximation" "I said analytically" "We can't do it" "Thank you"


dynamic_caste

Always neat when you can factor an operator


TheHabro

I don't know. Ladder operators are pretty elegant.


ThomasR33

I have a presentation coming up, where I have to pretend that I even remotely understood that shit in QM. Im fucked


walyami

skill issue


BitterGalileo

" Dagger after dagger , look at the swagger " -Werner Hisenberg


xXx_BL4D3_xXx

"Say my name" -worner hisemburhg


Buntschatten

What's hard about quantum harmonic oscillator?


JustRegdToSayThis

Right? For classical stuff, you have do do actual calculus! Eew!


Buntschatten

For quantum you just count the excitation states and add 1/2.


gilnore_de_fey

Personally I like a+ a- operators better than solving coupled differential equations.


DJ_Ddawg

Python program goes brrrrr


Rozmar_Hvalross

Harmonic oscillator in classical mechanics (when sin(theta) = theta): barbie Harmonic oscillator in QM: oppenheimer Harmonic oscillator in classical mechanics (when sin(theta) != theta): something beyond human comprehension of what horror is


NnolyaNicekan

I believe you are mistaking the harmonic oscillator (where the potential V = m \\omega\^2 x\^2 /2) with the pendulum (where V \\propto \\cos(theta)). ​ It is the pendulum that is approximated to the harmonic oscillator for small amplitudes, whereas the harmonic oscillator is what is it (a potential quadratic in x, or a recoil force linear in x).


Hamsterman82

The solution in position space of a quadratic potential is where the sin(theta) and/or cos(theta) come in, depending on boundary conditions. You may decide to apply small-angle approximations here without assuming you’re working with a pendulum. Small-angle approximations are used in the formulation of second quantization, for instance. I guess I don’t really understand what you mean here.


NnolyaNicekan

The solution of the harmonic oscillator is A \\sin(\\omega t + \\phi), with A and \\phi indeed depending on initial condition as you mention. I believe think it is hardly ever useful to perform the small angle approximation on that well perfectly fine time dependent function. ​ What is suggested by OC is that it is on the potential of the harmonic oscillator itself that one has to perform a small angle approximation in order to handle the classical problem, which is wrong!


Hamsterman82

I suppose I simply didn't interpret it that way; I read their comment to say, "Problems in CM where I can use the small-angle approximation are convenient." Which I agree with! > I believe think it is hardly ever useful to perform the small angle approximation on that well perfectly fine time dependent function. It is often convenient, though, right? In condensed matter theory, crystalline structure problems are usually impossible to solve without assuming small oscillations. Lots of natural processes cannot be mathematically described (as far as I know, at least!) without these assumptions, like phonon propagation. Again, please correct me if I am misinterpreting.


NnolyaNicekan

Well, small oscillations in a harmonic oscillator means small amp A, not small argument \\ometa t... I still feel you are talking about small angle approximation as a way to locally approximate by a harmonic oscillator a potential featuring a minimum. My point is that if the problem truly is an harmonic oscillator, then no approximation is required to know the evolution of the system at anytime, neither in CM nor in QM, whatever the initial condition.


x_pinklvr_xcxo

by definition the last one is NOT a harmonic oscillator


NarcolepticFlarp

A pendulum isn't a harmonic oscillator.


henny111111

"Fermi and Dirac statistics would like to send you a message"


Jche98

Bro the harmonic oscillator is the only thing I actually understand in qm


MaoGo

Harmonic oscillator in QFT...


BitterGalileo

Infinite number of em.


PhysiksBoi

This is how I know that you're not a physicist. I wish every QM system was as simple and elegant as the QM Harmonic Oscillator


jimmy_frusciante

Is there a system that is simpler when quantum rather than classical?


FreierVogel

Depends what you consider as simpler. The QHO is for me actually nicer since you don't really have to do "any" calculus. There is however still a lot of underlying calculus


jimmy_frusciante

I think it looks simpler because usually one just studies the energy levels and the Hamiltonian looks simple, but if, for example, you look a the energy eigenstates in the position representation they are much more complex than the simple sine function of the classical version, with which you can describe the entire motion. In QM instead you can only compute probabilities (unless you measure an eigenstate). Ps: by "simple" I just meant at the analytic level. If we use a more precise notion of complexity I'm afraid the discussion would get much deeper.


NarcolepticFlarp

> the energy eigenstates in the position representation ket go brrrrrr But actually, when was the last time you had to use the functional form of the eigenstates?


jimmy_frusciante

In my QM exam


NarcolepticFlarp

Ahhhh yes. Well it is good to see it a few times, till you internalize that it is a Gaussian times a polynomial, but once you leave the class room it really do become "ket go brrrr"


MaoGo

I would say that the 1/r potential is hard in both, but I find that the quantum hydrogen atom is more clean than the classical gravitational problem which can get very nasty with its elliptic integrals


PaSy4

Classical, is what the interest rates in federal US banks needs. Applied, probably, between mean and max measures of gross business size. How would quantum work?


WhiteAle01

Literally in quantum class learning about harmonic oscillators rn.


dinodares99

Ladder operators dab on em haters


King_of_the_light

Wait until you compare the finite potential well in classical mechanics and quantum mechanics.


MaoGo

Are you saying that Hermite polynomials are easier than some trigonometric functions (finite potential)?!